2008 NFL Post-Draft Yin and Yang: AFC and NFC East
by BigBlueShoe
on Apr 30, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
in 2008 NFL Draft
As Matt continues his analysis of the 2008 NFL Draft, this series will discuss how teams in specific divisions addressed needs that either kept them on top of their division, or pushed them closer to the top. We call this the 2008 NFL Post-Draft Yin and Yang. The Yin are teams who are closer to the top (or remain at the top) because of this draft and the Yang are those slipping. It's not an exact science, but it gives you a good barometer, and for you Jets fans, perhaps some spiritual cleansing after spending the entire weekend booing every Giants and Patriots selection:
Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
AFC EAST
Yin:
Miami Dolphins
You build great teams starting with a left tackle, quarterback, and a defensive end. The Dolphins took LT Jake Long, DE Phillip Merling, and QB Chad Henne on the first day, setting a solid foundation for years to come. Picks such as Kendall Langford and Jalen Parmele expand on that solid foundation.
Yang:
New England Patriots
The Patriots traded out of the #7 overall pick, and got the #10 overall, but may have reached with it selecting LB Jarod Mayo. Mayo was seen as a late first round prospect. Drafting back-up QB prospect Kevin O'Connell was odd seeing as New England has several glaring weaknesses still at LB, RB, and in their secondary.
Yin:
Buffalo Bills
The Bills took the best CB in the draft in Leodis McKelvin at pick #11 and another CB, Reggie Corner, at pick #115. These moves improve Buffalo's young, quick defense, which was decimated by injuries in 2007.
Yang:
New York Jets
The Jets took DE Vernon Gholston because he was there, but traded back into the first round and reached for Dustin Keller, an athletic TE who has trouble blocking. The Jets still have issues at the QB, WR, and RB positions.
NFC East
Yin:
New York Giants
The defending champs shored up the one real weakness they had by having safety Kenny Phillips fall to them with the last pick in the first round. LB Jonathan Goff was also a good pick-up in the 5th round, and if Mario Manningham can grow up, Giants fans could relish the Manning to Manningham combo.
Yang:
Dallas Cowboys
Dallas' first day picks were excellent, but they made trades the second day that did not yield anything of note. Orlando Scandrick has some off-the-field issues, and drafting Tashard Choice after taking Felix Jones the day before seemed odd.
Yin:
Philadelphia Eagles
For the second year in a row, the Eagles trade out of the first round. However, unlike last year, this time it was a good idea. DT Trevor Laws fits their defensive system perfectly, and he will make an immediate impact. Mike McGlynn, taken in round 4 ,will help stabilize Philly's o-line.
Yang:
Washington Redskins
Lots of people like what the Redskins did on draft day. I'm not one of them. TE Fred Davis is slow, but maybe not as slow as WR Malcolm Kelly. John Carlson would have been a better TE fit. Washington also did not adequately address their LB needs.
Next up: Yin and Yang for the NFC and AFC North.
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I find it pretty interesting that you seem to gloss over
Manningham’s pretty considerable off the field issues, while holding Scandricks minor AT BEST off the field issues against him. Many people had Scandrick as a late second rounder. We got great value with him. Honestly, I don’t see how you can justify that.
Tashard Choice was the best player available, and gives the Cowboys great insurance if we don’t resign Barber or if one of running backs get injured. But as the Giants fans know running backs don’t get injured that often (sarcasm alert). Plus Choice was also drafted because he would be good on ST coverage units.
but they made trades the second day that did not yield anything of note.
We got a future third and fourth round picks and we still got the players we targeted. I think that is pretty notable.
by quincyyyyy on
Apr 30, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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Two things
1) If the Cowboys don’t re-sign Barber, they are finished. Done. Not going to win 8 game. Tony Romo is not a consistent big game QB, and without a healthy, strong, dominant Marion Barber the Cowboys have ZERO chance of making the playoffs to say nothing of getting to the Super Bowl. So, any talk of the Cowboys not re-signing Barber is silly. Felix Jones was drafted to spell Barber, and the reason I question the Choice pick is Dallas’ secondary still sucks. Their safeties can’t cover anyone, especially Roy Williams who could not cover my grandmother if she ran a pattern over the middle. Remember, Eli Manning carved up the Cowboys in the playoffs (12-19, 163 yards, 2 TDs, no INTs), yet Dallas did very little to address this weakness in the draft.
2) Manningham is a late-first, early-second round prospect that fell to the Giants in the late 3rd round. NY can afford to draft someone like Manningham because they won the Super Bowl last year. This means they have very few weaknesses, especially at WR where they have Burress, Tyree, Smith, and Toomer just to name a few. With Dallas, a team that nearly DEFINES the term “character issues,” they are coached by a bumbling idiot who cannot get his team focused enough to win playoff games. The absolute LAST thing they need is anyone with character flaws. They need high character, self-motivated men because their coach is a clueless fool.
So, based on those two things, I don’t think they got much value. Those 3rd and 4th round picks won’t do Wade Phillips any good if the Cowboys lose ANOTHER playoff series. the main focus of this series is to see if a team like Dallas did enough to overcome the Giants, and I don’t think they did. Eli Manning is still better than Tony Romo. The Giants defense, coach, runnning game, WRs, and general manager are all better than Dallas.The Cowboys needed an outstanding draft to get past NY, and they didn’t get it.
Thus, yang.
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by BigBlueShoe on
Apr 30, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
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Bwahahahahahaha
1.) I recall Romo, who supposedly sucks in big games, taking the vaunted Colts secondary to the tool shed and beating the ever loving [you know what] out of them.
2.) I am a big MB3 fan and I do think we are going to resign him, but you are ignoring that RB’s get injured all the time. And since the Cowboys run a two back system we need three good ones. Plus Choice was the BPA. Reaching for need is stupid and what gets you into trouble, not to mention a third rb was in fact a need for us.
3.) Geez Eli Manning took our safeties to the tool shed huh? Well Kevin Boss caught a whopping 14 yards in that game. Yep you sure got me on that one. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that Manning was targeting our third corner Jaques Reeves all game. Who by the way is no longer on our team and has been replaced by Pac Man and Mike Jenkins. And I wouldn’t call throwing for 163 yards “carving up” our secondary. That is a laughable statement. Eli is a slightly better bus driver than the other “great” Giant QB Phil Sims. Can’t wait for him to fall flat on his face this year.
4.) Hamlin was a pro bowl safety last year. He had 5 ints and 15 pass defended. And BOTH the Giants safeties combined had 5 ints and 14 pass defended. Don’t make me laugh. And as for Roy Williams he is going to be a two down safety this year, and won’t be there on passing situations so I’m not worried at all.
5.) Oh so is Zach Thomas not a high character player? And I seem to recall that the Cowboys are one of only a few teams in the league that hasn’t had anyone arrested in the past year. Oh by the way how is Kenton Keith doing? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
6.) Oh so Manningham, who is both stupid and a thug, drops one round later than he was supposed to and he is a steal and Scandrick, who has basically no character issues, drops a 3 rounds and he is a terrible pick. Yep makes sense to me.
7.) Eli Manning better than Romo? The same Eli Manning who had 74 QB rating last year. The same Eli Manning who had 3 good drives in the Super Bowl at best, and who stole the Superbowl MVP trophy from Justin Tuck because his last name is Manning. That Eli Manning is better than Romo. That is patently absurd.
8.) And that “bumbling idiot” has made the great 18 look like his brother, who sucks, on many occasions. So I would bite your tongue on that one.
9.) The series against the Giants last year was 2 to 1 in favor of the Cowboys. That says it all.
Thus, you are clueless.
by quincyyyyy on
May 1, 2008 3:08 AM EDT
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+1
What he said. : )
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by JJStuart on
May 1, 2008 3:30 AM EDT
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sorry son..
+2
Romo.. Witten.. Barber.. Owens.... First we had triplets.. Now we got quadruplets!!
by eMBe3 on
May 1, 2008 8:57 AM EDT
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what he said
Go back to blogging for your team, whom I assume you have better and more accurate knowledge about, at least I hope you do. game set match.
by sublimezg on
May 1, 2008 9:47 AM EDT
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+4
Sorry to pile on, but BBS- I’m having a hard time believing that you’re trying to give an objective opinion here. The hate is strong and pungent in you.
Livin' in Heartbreak Central...
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by BudLight on
May 1, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
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LOL
1) LOL. Fine. If you want to hang a trophy on a regular season game, be my guest. Peyton is busy polishing his ring. Romo is still shaking off his Mexico hangover.
2) I agree that reaching for need gets you into trouble, but Felix Jones was drafted so Barber can get spelled and not get hurt. Choice was taken while players like WR Arman Shields, DT Carlton Powell, CB Brandon Carr, and CB Zackary Bowman were still on the board, and these players filled more important needs than RB. And none were reaches.
3) The job of the safety is not solely to cover the TE. If that’s your counter argument (using Kevin Boss’ stats) then that’s pretty sad. Going 12-19 in a playoff game is indeed carving you up. Plus, his team won. You can hate on him all you want, but the only people saying he isn’t a great QB are Cowboy fans. Tells you something about them.
4) Pro Bowl means very little. Vince Young made the Pro Bowl in 2006. Need I say more? And not having one of your highest paid players on defense (Williams) playing on passing downs speaks volumes as to how bad the Cowboys pass defense is.
5) Terrell Owens is the post boy for bad behavior. Oh, and your team just traded for Pacman Jones. Cue my retort:
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Hope you enjoy toast.
6) Please point to where I stated Manningham doesn’t have character issues.
7) The same Eli Manning who has a Super bowl ring while Tony Romo has zero playoff wins. The same Eli Manning who was Super Bowl MVP. The same Eli Manning that engineered one the the greatest 4th quarter comebacks in NFL history, defeating a 18-0 Patriots team who, BTW, SMOKED the Cowboys during the regular season. THAT Eli Manning. Seriously, were you high writing this?
8) How many playoff games has a Wade Phillips team won? Thank you.
9) And the 1 was the playoff game. Says it all.
Thus, quincy was schooled.
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by BigBlueShoe on
May 1, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
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Ok
1.) That is too bad for Romo but he has only played one full season in the NFL. If you want to hold it against him for not having a superbowl ring yet, well then that is beyond ridiculous especially since your boy Peyton was choke artist extraordinaire for 8 years. And it’s not like he even played well in the playoffs and superbowl two seasons ago when he got his ring. He played awful to average in every game that postseason, including the Superbowl. He stole the superbowl MVP from Dominic Rhodes, and everyone knows it.
2.) None of the players you listed are better than Tashard Choice. He was a second round talent but dropped a couple of rounds due to injuries. He was the BPA, and like I said for our offense we need a good third string RB and you keep on ignoring that fact.
3.) 19 pass attempts means you relied solely on the running game and did pretty much next to nothing to help your team besides trying as hard as you could not to totally screw up, and hence he was a bus driver QB.
4.) The pro-bowl means very little, but you ignore the stats he put up. Over the regular season his stats combined equal that or are better than BOTH the Giants safeties combined. You are just a hater if you can’t see that Ken Hamlin is a very good defense.
This statement makes no sense:
having one of your highest paid players on defense (Williams) playing on passing downs speaks volumes as to how bad the Cowboys pass defense is.
That would imply that our defense is so good that we have the depth to cover up the deficiencies of every player on our defense, including the highest paid ones. Not sure how you drew your conclusion.
5.) And how many arrests have we had in the past year… None. And the Colts have had a bunch in the past year. Dede Dorsey, Kenton Keith, and Darell Reid. Case closed. You guys are way more thugged up than we are.
What this also shows is that the Cowboys can take on troubled players from other teams and turn their lives around to make them model citizens, like Tank and T.O. The Cowboys have invested a lot into programs that help players make the right decisions, and it certainly has paid off. Whereas the Colts are just a bunch of thugs.
6.) Jesus Christ, I never said you didn’t. I merely said you didn’t hold Manningham’s considerable off the field issues against him, but for some reason held Scandrick’s incredibly minor off the field issues against him. That made absolutely no logical sense like the rest of your argument.
7.) Eli Manning didn’t win the superbowl. The Giants front 7 did. Everyone knows that. He had three good drives in the whole game. Whoop dee dee. If you think Eli won the game then you didn’t watch it, because I wouldn’t call putting 17 points on the board winning the game. Holding the Patriots prolific offense to 14 points did. The only credit Eli deserves is for not screwing up and letting their defense (and the real MVP, Justin Tuck) win the game for them. Get a clue.
8.) Wade Phillips has won more games than he has lost over his entire. That is not an easy thing to do in the NFL. And calling, who most people consider to be a defensive genius, a “bumbling idiot” is more a reflection on you than on him.
9.) But they still lost twice, and it took both our starting receivers to play injured as well as Romo reinjuring his thumb on the second play of the game for them to barely beat us. Clap Clap, they should be very proud of themselves. We still beat them twice and they only beat us once, playoff game or no playoff game. And that is a fact.
Thus, quincy was schooled.
Only in your deluded head.
by quincyyyyy on
May 1, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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good job quincy
for schooling BBS big time.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 1, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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And, quincy wants some more...
1) Please, stop with the excuses. Romo is a 5 year vet and has played for two seasons. Using the whole “he’s only played one full season” excuse is just reaching. And lose the comparisons to Peyton Manning, who were aren’t even talking about. Romo isn’t even in his league. It just makes your argument look worse.
2) Yes, they were. You can disagree, but I think they are as good and provide a more immediate need.
3) And completing 12 of them for an average of 13.5 a completion means he was doing more than just driving a bus. BTW, the Giants ran for a whopping 90 yards on 23 carries (3.9 a run). So much for your “relying on the running game” theory.
4) Pro Bowl doesn’t mean as much as it used to. I finally started seeing this when Jonathan Ogden kept getting voted back to the Pro Bowl and the guy couldn’t pass block to save his life. Roy Williams constantly getting Pro Bowl nods even though he can’t cover was also another indicator. Dude, when your starting strong safety can’t cover, it means he sucks. There is no way you can defend that without looking like an idiot. And I’m not implying your defense is good, because it isn’t. Dallas has trouble against the pass, and great QBs can carve them up (like Brady and both Mannings).
5) If you want to try to make an argument that the Colts are more “thugged” than the Cowboys, go for it. I’ll just sit back and enjoy the show, especially the part where Terrell Owens hangs out with the porn stars and Pacman “makes it rain.” I really don’t know how the Colts got into this conversation.
6) Scandrick’s incidents are not the kind of crap some like (ooooooh, say) Pacman Jones has done, but on a team like Dallas which is loaded with distractions, it is YET ONE MORE issue that Dallas cannot afford to have. Distractions and other non-football related issues killed your team last season. Why would you want a guy who would add even more to that?
7) Ok, you’re just not a person who lives in reality. Eli Manning was the MVP of the Super Bowl. End of discussion on this topic.
8) As a defensive coordinator, he’s a great coach. As a head coach, he has an 0-4 record in the playoffs and a reputation for laziness. Hence, “bumbling idiot.”
9) No one cares that they lost twice. The Giants won the playoff game, which is ALL that matters.
Thanks for playing. Later.
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by BigBlueShoe on
May 1, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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you know BBS, you are the most
clueless blogger in the Sports Blog Nation. You remind me of Skip Bayless, maybe you guys are the same person. LOL!
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 1, 2008 3:07 PM EDT
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Geez...
1.) Romo is supposedly not in the same league, yet it took Manning more than 8 seasons as a starter to win a SB, which is longer than Romo has been in the league. Your logic makes no sense.
2.) According to Scott Wright of NFLDraftcountdown.com and your own Scott Wright All of the players you mentioned were rated significantly lower than Choice, or not ranked at all. I don’t know anybody, who actually knows what they are talking about (which you apparently don’t, thinks that powell, Carr, Bowman, or Shields are better than Choice. Stop talking about something you have zero clue about.
3.) 19 pass attempts very low. The only reason why he had such a high yards per attempt that game is because Amani Toomer broke some tackles on an intermediate pass for a 52 yard TD. He was a bus driver. Anyone who watched that game, which you apparently didn’t, would say that.
4.) We had trouble against the Pass because our third corner sucked. Jacques Reeves was targeted by opposing QBs 21% of the times. More than anybody in the league. Including Roy Williams. And we fixed our lack of depth at corner this off season by loading up on very talented corners. Roy is a run stopping safety. We can just take him out on passing situation and replace him with a corner. Its not that hard to hide his weakness. You know just about as much about our team as you do about the draft, which is NOTHING.
5.) Colts got brought in the conversation because they have more arrests in the past year than the Cowboys. You are the last person, as a Colts fan, who can say the Cowboys are thugged up.
6.) What has Scandrick done that is so bad? Or do you not know and are just talking out your blow hole like you have been on the rest of these points.
7.) No not end of discussion, he didn’t deserve it. Most people would say that the Giants front seven won the game, and Justin Tuck deserves the MVP trophy. Manning just got it because of his last name and he was born with a silver spoon up his behind. He didn’t have to work for everything like Romo did.
8.) As a head coach he has a winning record over his entire career. Even with no playoff wins, that is a very hard thing to do. You can’t have a winning record as a head coach in the NFL without working hard, and calling him a “bumbling idiot” just reflects poorly on you.
9.) You and I care because we are trying to determine who is the better team. We beat them more times, and the only time they beat us is when our two best offensive players were playing injured. Which should be enough to show the Cowboys are the better team.
Thank you for playing.
by quincyyyyy on
May 1, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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It took Romo 2 1/2 years to become a starter
while Manning was the man from day one. If your going to compare them you have to count the time where Romo wasn’t a starting caliber QB against him. Peyton was making his first Pro Bowl at the point in Romo’s career where he was still riding the pine. Peyton had thrown 62 TDs in the time it took Romo to win the starting job over Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe.
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by shake n bake on
May 1, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
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Arrests
Speeding and having a unlicensed handgun in it’s case in his car.
Marijuana Possession
Talking back to a cop and refusing to leave a parking lot while drunk
Yeah those are way worse than felony assault and felony vandalism, beating the shit out of a stripper (different incident from the assault above) and possibly paying someone to shoot the bouncer that stopped him.
Shit, when I type in Pacman Jones in the search bar google suggests “Pacman Jones Arrests”
The Cowboys didn’t have the guy on the roster when he did this stuff, they went out and traded for him afterwards. That’s far far worse. The Colts didn’t know when they signed their guys that they did dumb stuff. The Cowboys knew his history and gave up a draft pick to get him while he was still suspended.
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by shake n bake on
May 1, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
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Shooting innocent bystanders (harrison)...
yep doesn’t sound like you guys are thugged up at all… NOT!!!
by quincyyyyy on
May 2, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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Let the facts come out before you accuse Marvin
They aren’t even sure he fired a shot. The articles said shots were exchanged, self defense is totally plausible even if it was Marvin doing the shooting.
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by shake n bake on
May 2, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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You guys are a bunch of thugs
face it. Thugs come to Dallas to reform themselves make themselves better people. People come to Indianapolis to become thugs.
by quincyyyyy on
May 2, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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I thought
thugs came to Dallas so they would have more time to focus on their thuggery and not have to worry about playing football past the first week of January.
by ctnyc on
May 3, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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Yes that is why we over the past year
we have had 0 arrests and you have had 3 and 1 more coming. The Cowboys are one of the cleanest clubs in the league. Whereas you guys are all thugged up. One of the biggest leaders on your team is also one of the biggest thugs on your team.
by quincyyyyy on
May 3, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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I would add
that while it’s certainly unfortunate when any athlete runs afoul of the law, there’s a tremendous difference between a team being unlucky enough to have one of its players of good character - who is already under contract - get into trouble, and a team that actively seeks out players that it knows are bad characters.
So if Marvin is guilty of any wrongdoing (still a very big IF, according to the police statements), I expect the Colts to deal with the matter accordingly. And I also expect the Cowboys to be at the head of the line of those trying to add him to their rosters.
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May 3, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
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ctnyc
As you can see from the responses, and from his “wonderful” work at BTB, quincyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy is completely and utterly nuts. There are fans. There are fanatics. And then there are people totally disconnected from reality.
And then there’s quincyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
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by BigBlueShoe on
May 5, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
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Yeah, just like Peyton Manning wasn't a big game
consistent QB before his first SB which took him 8 years to achieve. I guarantee it will take Romo far less to achieve his first SB win and he’ll have many more than your overrated Manning.
I’ll take Romo over Eli anyday and twice on Sundays, I think Romo proved over the course of the season he’s a much better QB than Eli, its not even really close, unless your a Manning homer and Cowboys hater like yourself.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 1, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
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I don't believe
that Romo will ever win a title. He is too inconsistent and the talent (Owens) he throws to isn’t getting any younger and has virtually no help. As long as Jerry Jones remains in charge, you will not win another title.
I too am a Colts fan but don’t necessarily agree with quite everything BBS has said. I don’t really have a problem with your draft and commend you on getting some decent players. However, the talent will continue to be miscoached and misused so therefore, no more titles.
Oh, and Terry, as for your statement in the other thread about being far superior to our Colts, I don’t think so. However, I understand that you’re a Cowboys fan so your ego and pride spill out in your comments every once in awhile.
by BlueVol03 on
May 1, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
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What's funny here
is that I really don’t have a huge “problem” with Dallas’ draft either. The point of this series is to compare the drafts of division teams. With this draft, in comparison with the NY Giants, I don’t think Dallas did enough to overtake them. That doesn’t necessarily mean it was bad.
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by BigBlueShoe on
May 1, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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Agree with that
The Giants filled their needs moreso than the boys. Goff was a steal that late in the draft and Phillips will take over Knight’s spot pretty soon. The boys did have a good draft but they probably should have grabbed a receiver. I think they went for a TE a little early and should have gone WR there instead (Earl Bennett, Doucet, and Manningham were all available).
by BlueVol03 on
May 1, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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This unending outcry for a wide receiver
Is spurred by-no offense- those who don’t really know the Cowboys organization very well, and don’t really appreciate what it takes to become a productive young receiver. We are talking about a position that, aside from QB, is the toughest to step in and excel at. For most, it takes 2 or 3 years. Braylon Edwards, TO, Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne. What do they have in common? They struggled during their formative year(s).
Now, we could have grabbed a Devin Thomas or Jordy Nelson in the first. But not only would they have very likely needed time to become effective, they would have been a reach in comparison with the guy we took (Mike Jenkins). By the time our second rounder came about, there was no wide receiver remotely worthy of that selection. So we took the next best thing: A tight end with a WR skillset.
I don’t hate the Colts. They’re one of my five favorite teams in the league, and Bob Sanders and Peyton Manning rank amongst my very favorite players in all of football. But It seems to me as an observer who doesn’t know you particularly well, BBS, that there’s some sort of long-standing angst toward the Cowboys organization welling up inside.
by BudLight on
May 1, 2008 6:14 PM EDT
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the angst
I think stems from the fact that the only non-colts, non-pats voice over at Stampede Blue is typically Terry, spouting his cowboy homerness. It would be the same with any other team if one of their fans drew as much ire on Stampede Blue as Terry does.
by Ed OG on
May 1, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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Sorry about that
Bad Terry! Don’t provoke the nice gentlemen with the nasty safety and punishing offensive attack!
In all seriousness, though, let’s try to keep things objective.
Declaring that ‘The Cowboys secondary still sucks’ is as preposterous as me claiming that the Patriots’ offensive line ‘still’ sucks. Both are immensely solid units with a single weak link.
The Patriots’ blockers are a very solid line who had one bad game (the SB, to their chagrin) and feature one below-average player (Nick Kaczur). However, all things considered, that is still a definite position of strength.
The Cowboys have far and away the deepest corner situation in the league, and I look for Roy to become a part-time player this year-and when on the field, to fill more of an Inside linebacker’s role, subbing out with Zach Thomas on passing downs.
by BudLight on
May 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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no offense taken
I don’t hate the Cowboys either, I just don’t like the outrageous egos some of the fans have. I do know the Cowboys organization very well since live near Dallas and I grew up with my whole family cheering for the Cowboys. You pinpoint the exact reason you should have taken a WR in the draft this year. It takes time for a WR to develop and you’re going to be out of time soon. If you would have drafted one this season he might not play right away but he learns from TO (hopefully only on the field) and possibly Terry Glenn for a year or two. By waiting to draft a WR you will be depending on a younger less experienced player when you take him a year or two down the road. I agree with you not taking a WR in the first round because Mike Jenkins was a heck of a pick, but their were several players in the second round you could have used to develop the next year or two.
by BlueVol03 on
May 2, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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I don't disagree with the concept of developing a WR
But the best available in the second round was earl Bennett, and frankly that’s a sizable reach. Maybe we could have bypassed Tashard Choice to take Lavelle Hawkins in the fourth, but Choice filled just as large a need as Hawkins would have.
I think the Bennett pick was based around the concept of going to a tight-end setup very reminiscent of what the Colts use. Witten gives us a tight end capable of being used as a top possession receiver, even lining up as a WR if necessary. Bennett can add that element as well, and was a value at that position. Instead of going three or four deep at WR, Jason Garrett’s offense may be intending to capitalize on two Tight Ends and 2 WRS in the passing game.
by BudLight on
May 2, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
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BBS, you make no sense as usual
The Cowboys finished the season having superior talent than the Giants, its actually not even close. The GMen and Eli had a lucky run that sure as hell won’t be duplicated this season for sure.
The Cowboys draft actually puts them ahead of the Pats and Colts in terms of talent, especially if TG plays this season.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 1, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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LOL
And that talent was soooooooooooo superior that they lost to the Giants in the playoffs. They beat your team Terry, fair and square, in a playoff game. That means they are better. It’s kind of how this whole thing works. The team that wins is better than the team that loses.
Novel concept, I know.
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by BigBlueShoe on
May 1, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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so I guess that means the Chargers
are better than the Colts, you really believe that? of course you don’t.
Talent doesn’t always win and you know that.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 1, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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Yes
In 2007, the Chargers were better than the Colts. I do believe that, and it is also FACT considering SD beat Indy twice.
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by BigBlueShoe on
May 2, 2008 8:48 AM EDT
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no BBS, thats not true and you know it
just like you know its not true the 2005 Steelers were better than your 2005 Colts.
In the playoffs, the better or best team doesn’t always win, its the team that plays better or plays the best that day. You obviously know this but don’t want to admit you’re wrong…understandable.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 2, 2008 3:41 PM EDT
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Yet
that talent came no where near beating the Pats when our talent came a droped pass from winning
by metal_militia on
May 6, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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well, you'll be eating crow
just like BBS when Romo wins multiple SBs in his career. Romo inconsistent?? Thats a freakin joke, Romo is one of the most consistent QBs in the league, I’d like to know where you’re getting this garbage from.
The kid has only played in 2 playoff games for crying out loud, saying a total of 2 games makes a QB inconsistent makes no sense at all.
And your comment about Jones is absolutely hilarious considering Jones has 3 SBs while being in charge of the Cowboys and don’t feed me this Jimmy Johnson BS either, Jones has been in charge of the team since he bought the team in ‘89 no matter who was coaching the team.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 1, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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inconsistent
in that every once in a while he has a complete stinker (see philly and buffalo)
by Ed OG on
May 1, 2008 5:21 PM EDT
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well, I've also seen Manning and Brady have stinkers too
so I guess they’re inconsistent as well. If Romo only averages 2 really bad games per year, that means he’s in Brady and Manning’s league I guess.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
May 1, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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Happens to everyone
I hate to keep using Colts references, because I really don’t want this to turn into an Indy vs. Dallas war, but Peyton embodies that perfectly. Remember the first game of the playoffs last season? Or certain games against the Chargers this season? Romo has games where he goes hog-wild and throws it all over the place, Manning has games in which a certain cornerback or two will capitalize on every mistake he makes.
And let’s not even get into Brett Favre.
You live by the gunslinger, you die by the gunslinger. They’re all inconsistent.
by BudLight on
May 1, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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Overrated?
Terry Peyton Manning is a sure fire hall of famer
Romo isnt
by metal_militia on
May 6, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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LOLOLOLOL
That’s probably the biggest, most poorly explained pile of CRAP I’ve ever read on a SportsNation blog…
Congratulations.
by N41D on
May 1, 2008 11:34 AM EDT
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Your welcome
Your comment might be the biggest, most poorly explained pile of crap I’ve ever read on a SportsBlog Nation blog. A shining example of Cowboys fans.
Cheers.
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by BigBlueShoe on
May 5, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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I know I'm way late ,but i just read this
Sorry I did, blog has lost all credability. A frigging new your Fan tryingto grade our draft and players, what a joke! Can u say Bias, Frig! I’ll just say byeass
by bad knees on
May 4, 2008 1:31 AM EDT
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I'm assuming
“new your” means New York. Big Blue Shoe is actually the leader of Stampede Blue, the Colts blog on this network.
by ctnyc on
May 4, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
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the joke
is actually in trying to understand your post. Everyone is entitled to opinions and the Boys and Colts fans just decided to share theirs in this thread.
by BlueVol03 on
May 5, 2008 8:47 AM EDT
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Bias?
Apparently, one has to grade the cowboys draft well in order not to have bias. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
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by BigBlueShoe on
May 5, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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Amusing
I think I could write a book about the flawed logic in these posts, but for brevity’s sake I’ll refrain. Just a few things:
1) I understand why Cowboys fans hype their team so mercilessly. They are good fans and support their team as any good fans would. But good god, get a grip. I constantly read (not just here but elsewhere as well) about how they have more talent than any team in the league, how Romo is the best QB in the league (OK, that’s mostly from Terry), how great the organization is, how great Jerry Jones is, Wade Phillips etc. It is undeniably true that until about the mid-90’s the Cowboys were excellent. It is also undeniably true that they have not won a playoff game since the Clinton administration. The last 12 years or so have not been kind to the big D. That’s a long time. Plenty of time to rebuild and reload. Expansion teams - who have to start from scratch - have had greater success since the Cowboys won in the playoffs. Hell even the Arizona Cardinals have had more recent success! (beating the Cowboys in the ‘99 WC game, incidentally).
Look, everybody views their team through rose-colored glasses. Everybody has high hopes for the potential of their team. But reality is another story. Reality is no playoff wins since ‘96. Until the hype catches up with the reality, I can’t take seriously anybody who proclaims the Cowboys’ superiority to the best teams in the league.
2) Anybody who implies that the Colts have more character issues than the Cowboys is undermining any other rational points they make. Yes the Colts have had a few minor incidents in the last couple of years, including Kenton Keith being arrested because he didn’t want to leave a night club parking lot when the cops told him to. But again, get a grip people. Unfortunately, in today’s big-money-no-accountability sports world, every team has some character issues. But the Cowboys seem intent on becoming a depository for bad characters. The media circus that is T.O. has not cooled in Dallas (see: “accidental overdose” for starters). A Chicago Bears team that was decimated by the ageing and injuries to a once great defense decided that a much-needed Tank Johnson was too much of a distraction. The Cowboys? Not so much. And of course the very model of a bad actor: Mr. Adam “Pacman” Jones. Here’s a guy who has been such a malignant tumor on the NFL that many are speculating he will never be reinstated. But if/when he is, he’ll be happy to collect a paycheck from “America’s team.” Hey if signing every talented jackass in the league is the Cowboys new deal, then fine. It worked for the Raiders