A Debate - The Greater Secondary Poll PLEASE VOTE
by BlueVol03 on Jun 18, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
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The Mocking The Draft Mock Super Bowl stirred up some debate among Cowboys and Colts fans. Who has the greater secondary?
Colts:
Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea
Key Reserves: Matt Giordano, Dante Hughes, Tim Jennings
Marlin and Kelvin can cover long enough for the Pass Rush to get to the QB. Nobody wants to get tackled by Bob Sanders. Bethea just played in the Pro Bowl.
Cowboys:
Terrance Newman, Adam Jones, Roy Williams, Ken Hamlin
Key Reserves: Mike Jenkins, Anthony Henry, Pat Watkins
Other than Newman, who starts? PacMan hasn't played since 06 and is a better returner than corner. Williams can tackle but lacks coverage skills. Hamlin just played in the Pro Bowl but is not happy with the Franchise tag being placed on him.
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lets see
DPOY Bob Sanders vs Pro Bowler Ken Hamlin
Pro Bowl alternate Antonie Bethea vs Pro Bowl reserve Terence Newman
#1 CB on the top scoring D Marlin Jackson vs hasn’t played in over 1 year PacMan Jones
Kelvin Hayden vs Roy “I admitted I don’t want the ball thrown near me” Williams
Newman vs Bethea is the only place Dallas has an advantage and Bethea is 6 years younger.
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by shake n bake on Jun 18, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The homerism runs strong in you
Comparing Bethea to Newman is absolutely asinine. There’s no point. Granted, though, the same goes for Hamlin and Sanders.
But there is absolutely no way you can put Jackson on a level with Pacman Jones when he is on his game. I’ve said this before; the guy’s a top 15 cover corner with the playmaker skills who’s currently working out individually with Deion.
Let’s not mention that the Cowboys have more CB depth than anyone else in the league andjust hired back Campo to coach the secondary, where he’s gained great repute over the years.
by BudLight on Jun 19, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave the advantage to Newman
and PacMan hasn’t played in over a year and if he was a top 15 cover corner the Colts WRs wouldn’t have torched the Titans in PacMan’s 2nd season. Marvin went off for 172 yards in one game, PacMan was the Titans best CB, that’s at the very least partly his fault.
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by shake n bake on Jun 20, 2008 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's good reason to believe that he wasn't on Harison at all
PacMan isn’t a slot CB.
by BudLight on Jun 20, 2008 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Harrison
doesn’t play the slot. To further enhance the fact that Pacman did in fact get burned, Stokley also had huge games against the Titans. That’s three WRs from the Colts who did well against Pacman in company. The only way he would not have gotten burned is if he wasn’t good enough to beat out Andre Woolfolk and get on the field.
by BlueVol03 on Jun 20, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before last year
the Colts were the most boring and predictable team in the league when it came to offensive formations. It was Marvin out wide one way, Reggie the other, Stokley in the slot Edge/Addai in the backfield and Clark at TE, all the time. The Titans could have put PacMan on whoever they wanted easily and I’d think they’d put their top CB on the Colts top WR who was killing them.
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by shake n bake on Jun 20, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin only got to the pro bowl because he played for Dallas.
As a Seahawk fan, I know that Hamlin consistantly allows the deep pass and is consistently fooled on play action. Roy Williams can’t cover either. They are both like extra linebacker and are good against the run, but neither can cover. The Patriots game I believe is a good example of them getting beat consistently even though the patriots did that to everyone.
by xSAMx on Jun 18, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin had like 6 picks last year
and did very well in coverage actually. Admittedly, he tends to bite on play action a bit too much, but he deservedly made the pro-bowl.
by quincyyyyy on Jun 23, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deon Grant was more deserving.
granted im a homer, he didn’t give up the deep ball at all and still made three interceptions.
by xSAMx on Jul 7, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
poor poor Roy
Any secondary that includes Roy shouldn’t be talked about as respectful. If Henry is moved to safety (as speculated) I might have to rethink but with #31 on the field, the Cowboys secondary has a significant weak spot that I don’t see compared to Indy’s.
by cgolden on Jun 19, 2008 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
#31 is Mike Jenkins, Roy is #38
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jun 19, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's right
I keep forgetting he changed his number.
by cgolden on Jun 20, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a Tie!
Bob Sanders > Ken Hamlin
Antonie Bethea < Terence Newman
Marlin Jackson < PacMan Jones
Kelvin Hayden > Roy Williams
Notes: Sanders is the best safety in the game and perhaps the most valuable player on any defense… Bethea may be on his way to Newman’s level, but he’s not there yet and it’s not like Terrance should be expected to decline soon… by the time this hypothetical Super Bowl comes around, Pacman will have played at least 18 games at a level high enough to help his team reach the Super Bowl… Williams is a glorified/small LB, so even though I don’t know much about Hayden, I’d take him over Roy anyday.
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by ejruiz on Jun 21, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The most likely place you'd remember Hayden is
returning the INT for a TD in the Colts SB win.
They ball when they can and I'm ballin' by nature
Addicted to the game like Jordan and Peyton
-Lil' Wayne "Fireman"
by shake n bake on Jun 22, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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