Let's see what you've got

by MattMiller on Jun 30, 2008 4:20 PM EDT

When a blogger like myself assigns the task of covering all 32 NFL teams and 119 Division I college teams to his plate, it's not an easy job. However, posts like this would make my job seem easy.

Here's your challenge: Rank every tight end in the NFL based on age, production, potential, character and intangibles. Not just your team, but every player. Post 'em in the comments.

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1. Gates
2. Witten
3. Gonzalez
4. Cooley
5. Miller
6. Clark
7. Heap
8. Shockey
9. Winslow
10. Alge Crumpler
11. LJ Smith
12. Vernon Davis
13. Ben Watson
14. Owen Daniels
15. Randy McMicheal

That’s enough, my head is already starting to hurt. Props to you Mr. Miller for ranking 161 tight ends.

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by cgolden on Jun 30, 2008 5:02 PM EDT 0 recs

too many to list

but here’s a few:

1. Witten
2. Gates
3. Gonzalez
4. Clark
5. Cooley
6. Heath Miller
7. LJ Smith
8. Heap
9. Winslow
10. Shockey
11. Daniels
12. Watson
13. Olsen
14. Vernon Davis
15. Crumpler
16. Watson
17. Scheffler
18. McMichael
19. Zach Miller
20. Alex Smith

by BlueVol03 on Jun 30, 2008 5:29 PM EDT 0 recs

You forgot one statement:

“Each player is ranked in order of who we would want as our starting tight end for the 2008 NFL Season only. “

Forget the future boys. Just put the guy you want this year on your team!

Matt, I’ve really lost most of any respect I still had for you. You obviously can’t take any criticism whatsoever, and make childish arguments when challenged although you challenge others regularly.

Most of the names on this list and others are ranked by guys who are based on name recognition which is how so many rookies made it so high. They are not ranked by any real knowledge. The reason why no one will give you a complete list is because they realize they probably could only rank the top 20 and don’t want to put something up without really having the knowledge to put something respectable up.

I run my own business as well and I don’t allow my employees to make excuses. If you believe you could be wrong say so, if not stand by it, but don’t act like a 13 on a message board who got their feelings hurt. If you are trying to be a serious blogger, then please just post on what you know, and don’t waste people’s time with articles on stuff you don’t. That is my personal advice, but you won’t listen to anyone else because your list and ideas are always right.

I’m sure your fans will come to your aid. I realize I probably have a little bias, but I’m trying to be as realistic about my evaluation as I possibly can.

Everyone should read all the other arguments here.

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by #23 on Jun 30, 2008 7:20 PM EDT 0 recs

come on man

If you don’t like the content, change the channel. It’s not that hard, you made the choice to come to this page multiple times a day. We’re not all going to agree on everything, but that doesn’t mean that you have to constantly beat us down with that same argument numerous times. We hear you, you think Desmond Clark could start for half the teams in this league.

If you’ve lost that much respect for Matt and this site, it’s a very easy problem to fix. Move on.

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by cgolden on Jul 1, 2008 7:13 AM EDT up 0 recs

I'm only posting because people want to tell me how wrong I am.

That is what a debate is. It goes back and forth. More facts come out, and their is opportunity to consider the other points of view.

I have just as much of a right to defend myself as you do. Every time someone says you have no right to make your point or that your point is absolutely ridiculous, yeah, I’m going to say something. Most people would. I may move on after this goes away like you say, but not in the middle of the debate. Except for the very first posts, everything I have written was in response to someone else.

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by #23 on Jul 1, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up 0 recs

Okay...

Where’s your list? You come here to bash everything posted, me replying and creating a forum for ALL fans to post their list is not childish, it’s called a community. For someone who can trash my work, you seem afraid to post your own.

So, again, where’s your list?

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by MattMiller on Jun 30, 2008 7:54 PM EDT 0 recs

I'm not sure that it is necessary.

I’m not claiming I can rank all the TE’s in the league. The only thing, I’m claiming is Clark is better than 42 by about 20 spots. I know probably the top 30 I would choose, but like your list it is all subjective. There are probably 10 guys in the top 40 I don’t know at all and, I don’t think it is worth it to put up a list that doesn’t have the research necessary. My comment is Clark is way too low. You either agree or disagree. I personally see several of the guys on the list and think their blocking and catching are both worse than Clark and that is why I made the comment. You can go to the original thread and see some of my comments.

I’m pretty sure you posted this thread as childish fight. If not then hey whatever. If you treat me with respect you will get the same, but I just disagree with you on this subject. If that bothers you, I can’t help that.

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by #23 on Jun 30, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up 0 recs

Let me get this straight ...

this all started because of Desmond Clark ?? I appreciate you defending your team and all but dude Desmond Clark. I’m not bitching because he ranked Matt Schobel and not Kris Wilson even though all signs point to Kris Wilson beating Schobel out for his roster spot.

I mean honestly he’s not even the best TE on your own team.

by Whodie126 on Jun 30, 2008 9:06 PM EDT 0 recs

The only thing I did was question that he was 42.

I personally believe that the guy would be a starter on 10-15 teams and mentioned it. MattMiller is going crazy about this and making this a little kid thing. Yeah if you put a guy 20 spots off in my personal opinion, I’m going to mention it. 3-5 spots is going to happen. After you get out of the top 32 starters sure you may end up with some crazy stuff. I thought opinions were aloud, but for some reason I’ve been harassed for giving it. That’s fine. Do what you want.

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by #23 on Jun 30, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up 0 recs

No

Making it a little kid thing was going on other sites and calling MockingtheDraft “garbage”. That was the immature thing. All I’ve done is post a rebuttal to your arguments. I haven’t gone on other sites calling you names or trashing the Bears.

Everyone is allowed their opinion, but when you decide to flame on that and call one’s work “garbage”, it’s personal man. I liked your posts when you brought game situations and stats to the table, but now you’re mad and just trying to “win” this argument. From experience I can tell you that no one wins an Internet fight, all parties involved look stupid.

I respect your opinion as a fan of the player, but you don’t return that when you go on other sites pointing to work and bashing it. That’s childish, not posting analysis and opinions.

www.newerascouting.com www.mockingthedraft.com

by MattMiller on Jun 30, 2008 11:10 PM EDT 0 recs

Look at the time signatures.

I didn’t say anything about garbage until your rebuttal was to trash a bunch of players and management decisions that had nothing to do with the performance of Clark. I thought that was journalistically not the right move and was calling that “garbage.” It made me lose respect for your body of work on that article which I’m sure took a lot of time to post. I assumed that the work was done based on research, but your rebuttal, made it look more like a bunch of random names of people you didn’t know very well were just organzied at the bottom in the best guess you could do. That was when I made the comment and it was based on your rebuttal that I had only a little to do with Clark and I don’t believe was very accurate at all.

I’m not mad at all. I enjoy debate on subjects I enjoy and the Bears are a subject I enjoy. I do know a lot about teams in general and management, and most of the starters in the league, especially stars, but not every player. I don’t have the time or desire to know that much or claim to either. I have no problem dropping any fight that is going on here, but I’m not mad. This to me is just a debate on whether Clark should be significantly higher or not. You have the right to disagree and I would have retracted the comment if possible once I read the post with the TE’s you felt could start ahead of him. That was a point, whereas the other stuff to me was irrelevant.

My apologies for making it personal!

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by #23 on Jun 30, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up 0 recs

O.K...

1. Heath Miller of The Mighty Pittsburgh Steelers.

2. The rest….

by robert ethan on Jul 1, 2008 5:02 PM EDT 0 recs

TE

1. Dallas Clark
2. Jacob Tamme
3. Tom Santi
4. Gjion Robinson
5. Antonio Gates

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by shake n bake on Jul 1, 2008 6:27 PM EDT 0 recs

you mean

you would take Gates over Utecht, Pollard, and Dilger???

by BlueVol03 on Jul 3, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

oops

I’m sorry, it was a mistake, please don’t revoke by Homer card.

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by shake n bake on Jul 3, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

He looks pretty productive compared to the rest of the players at his position.

Here are his fantasy stats:
http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/leaders?seasonId=2007&slotCategoryId=6

Here are his regular season stats:
He finished in the between 13-16 in all these categories: receptions, yards, average, & TD’s. This was on the 28th best offense in the league last season.

A good QB or offensive line or both would make him even better. Offensively no one can argue that last season he was at least the 16 best TE. He also has played in 15 or more games in every season except one since 2000. Here you can see what he did in a season without sharing the TE job with Olsen in 2006.

http://www.nfl.com/players/desmondclark/profile?id=CLA258726

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by #23 on Jul 7, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm waiting to see if anyone would like to comment.

I’ve received so many bashing posts about how I’m a homer for thinking this guy is starting material in the NFL, but since these stats were posted, I have yet to see anyone review them and comment on what they say about his skills. He did this on what all would agree was a horrible offense and did it splitting time with a high profile rookie. I’m I still off base or could this guy be decently higher than 42 on a list of TE’s.

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by #23 on Jul 14, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up 0 recs

sure, I'll bump him to 40th on my list

Thanks for the info.

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by cgolden on Jul 15, 2008 7:30 AM EDT up 0 recs

Your welcome.

I know your being smart about the 40th comment, but that’s fine, I’m just glad someone looked at it. I realize no one here wants to admit I’m not crazy and may have a point, but oh well. Maybe they learned something about a player in the league that doesn’t get all the hype because he isn’t on an offense with Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Tony Romo or some other high profile QB.

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by #23 on Jul 15, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up 0 recs

Although no one on here cares, I'll keep posting information.

More reasons to like Dez Clark. NFL.com has only one team with two tight ends listed in the top 25 for fantasy rankings. You would think it would be an offensively explosive team like Indy or NE, but it is the lowly Bear offense. Yes those two QB’s are pretty bad, but somehow even sharing time both of these TE’s are on the list. Imagine if they didn’t split time. Each one of them would surely move up a few spots. Imagine if they were on a good offense. Probably another few spots. He’s a strength blocking for the offense as well catching. I think Clark is definitely top 20 in this league.

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by #23 on Jul 29, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up 0 recs