Scouting 101: NFL Defensive Tackle Rankings
by MattMiller on Jul 22, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
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Our pre-season look at every player in the NFL continues with the defensive tackle rankings. Every NFL defensive tackle has been ranked and graded.
* Please note that the grades given are our own. Each player is ranked in order of who we would want as our starting tackle for the 2008 NFL Season only. We have taken in to account age, production and potential in grading the players below. *
NES Rank:: Player:: Team:: Cap Number ($):: (NES Grade)
1 Haynesworth, Albert Titans 7,250,003 (10)
2 Hampton, Casey Steelers 6,377,083 (10)
3 Williams, Kevin Vikings 4,209,249 (10)
4 Rogers, Shaun Browns 3,433,333 (10)
5 Harris, Tommie Bears 1,645,470 (10)
6 Henderson, John Jaguars 2,890,000 (10)
7 Wilfork, Vince Patriots 2,040,054 (9)
8 Jenkins, Kris Jets 5,900,000 (9)
9 Stroud, Marcus Bills 5,673,386 (9)
10 Williams, Pat Vikings 8,400,124 (9)
11 Dockett, Darnell Cardinals 3,256,240 (8)
12 Okoye, Amobi Texans 2,245,937 (8)
13 Gregg, Kelly Ravens 4,023,386 (8)
14 Redding, Cory Lions 4,983,333 (8)
15 Bunkley, Brodrick Eagles 4,014,720 (8)
16 Williams, Jamal Chargers 2,906,120 (8)
17 Starks, Randy Dolphins 2,350,000 (8)
18 Williams, Corey Browns 3,283,333 (7)
19 Brock, Raheem Colts 4,720,000 (7)
20 Meier, Rob Jaguars 2,755,000 (7)
21 Bernard, Rocky Seahawks 5,500,000 (7)
22 Hoke, Chris Steelers 1,481,720 (7)
23 Williams, Kyle Bills 499,970 (7)
24 Branch, Alan Cardinals 876,240 (7)
25 Bingham, Ryon Chargers 1,781,120 (7)
26 Patterson, Mike Eagles 3,131,250 (7)
27 Ferguson, Jason Dolphins 4,005,760 (7)
28 Robbins, Fred Giants 4,001,666 (7)
29 Pickett, Ryan Packers 3,000,000 (7)
30 Dorsey, Glenn Chiefs Rookie (7)
31 Ellis, Sedrick Saints Rookie (7)
32 Griffin, Cornelius Redskins 6,166,333 (7)
33 Robertson, Dewayne Broncos 11,191,369 (7)
34 Hovan, Chris Buccaneers 2,900,000 (7)
35 Sims, Ryan Buccaneers 1,000,000 (7)
36 Ngata, Haloti Ravens 1,984,990 (6)
37 Johnson, Tank Cowboys 825,000 (6)
38 Watson, Gabe Cardinals 567,074 (6)
39 Thornton, John Bengals 4,625,000 (6)
40 Pitcock, Quinn Colts 515,500 (6)
41 Reagor, Montae Eagles 1,400,000 (6)
42 Alford, Jay Giants 553,820 (6)
43 Jolly, Johnny Packers 468,650 (6)
44 Bannan, Justin Ravens 2,256,720 (6)
45 Edwards, Dwan Ravens 936,720 (6)
46 Young, Brian Saints 2,795,833 (6)
47 Tubbs, Marcus Seahawks 1,377,500 (6)
48 Johnson, Travis Texans 1,904,720 (6)
49 Bryant, Red Seahawks Rookie (6)
50 Adams, Anthony Bears 1,037,500 (6)
51 Thomas, Marcus Broncos 483,480 (6)
52 Edwards, Ron Chiefs 1,850,000 (6)
53 Holliday, Vonnie Dolphins 4,600,000 (6)
54 Cofield, Barry Giants 550,476 (6)
55 Darby, Chartric 'Chuck' Lions 2,195,000 (6)
56 Harrell, Justin Packers 1,598,740 (6)
57 Kemoeatu, Ma'ake Panthers 3,545,000 (6)
58 Wright, Mike Patriots 1,423,720 (6)
59 Clancy, Kendrick Saints 1,833,333 (6)
60 Brown, Tony Titans 1,356,720 (6)
61 Wyms, Ellis Vikings 1,500,000 (6)
62 Franklin, Aubrayo 49ers 1,733,333 (6)
63 McCargo, John Bills 1,575,000 (6)
64 Harris, Steven Broncos 376,480 (6)
65 Boone, Alfonso Chiefs 1,734,375 (6)
66 Lewis, Damione Panthers 1,913,333 (6)
67 Warren, Gerard Raiders 5,000,000 (6)
68 Glover, La'Roi Rams 4,505,760 (6)
69 Sands, Terdell Raiders 3,600,000 (6)
70 Laws, Trevor Eagles Rookie (5)
71 Zgonina, Jeff Texans 1,055,000 (5)
72 Golston, Kedric Redskins 473,579 (5)
73 Ryan, Clifton Rams 418,760 (5)
74 Jefferson, Jason Bills 933,720 (5)
75 Smith, Shaun Browns 2,100,000 (5)
76 McBride, Turk Chiefs 661,240 (5)
77 Babineaux, Jonathan Falcons 814,220 (5)
78 Tyler, Tank Chiefs 551,240 (5)
79 Pouha, Sione Jets 1,869,970 (5)
80 Smith, Le Kevin Patriots 469,470 (5)
81 Wroten, Claude Rams 640,172 (5)
82 Montgomery, Anthony Redskins 492,879 (5)
83 Gordon, Amon Ravens 451,720 (5)
84 Terrill, Craig Seahawks 1,200,000 (5)
85 Lake, Antwan Saints 1,225,000 (5)
86 Thomas, Hollis Saints 2,080,000 (5)
87 Harrison, Marcus Bears Rookie (5)
88 Evans, Fred Vikings 451,360 (5)
89 Dvoracek, Dusty Bears 640,345 (5)
90 Myers, Michael Bengals 880,000 (5)
91 McKinney, Brandon Chargers 451,120 (5)
92 Wright, Rodrique Dolphins 463,347 (5)
93 Brown, Kareem Jets 376,240 (5)
94 Thomas, Santonio Patriots 376,720 (5)
95 Fluellen, Andre Lions Rookie (5)
96 Kennedy, Jimmy Jaguars 705,000 (5)
97 Sopoaga, Isaako 49ers 1,855,000 (5)
98 Soliai, Paul Dolphins 493,260 (4)
99 Ayodele, Remi Cowboys 370,000 (4)
100 Moorehead, Kindal Falcons 661,720 (4)
101 Mosley, C.J. Jets 526,240 (4)
102 Joseph, William Raiders 491,240 (4)
103 Maddox, Anthony Texans 800,000 (4)
104 Allen, Kenderick Vikings 451,360 (4)
105 Sims, Pat Bengals Rookie (4)
106 Peko, Domata Bengals 546,750 (4)
107 Burton, Antwon Broncos 451,480 (4)
108 Jackson, Keith Chargers 301,120 (4)
109 Siavii, Junior Cowboys 445,000 (4)
110 Stanley, Montavious Falcons 451,720 (4)
111 Leisle, Rodney Giants 524,320 (4)
112 Cody, Shaun Lions 1,120,000 (4)
113 Askew, Matthias Redskins 451,720 (4)
114 Mebane, Brandon Seahawks 540,250 (4)
115 Parker, J'Vonne Ravens 451,720 (4)
116 Shaw, Josh Raiders 933,240 (4)
117 Fields, Ronald 49ers 573,250 (4)
118 Adams, Titus Bengals 370,000 (4)
119 Leonard, Louis Browns 376,720 (4)
120 Guion, Letroy Vikings Rookie (4)
121 Okam, Frank Texans Rookie (4)
122 Moore, Dre Buccaneers Rookie (4)
123 Langford, Kendall Dolphins Rookie (4)
124 Pressley, DeMarrio Saints Rookie (4)
125 Fifita, Steve Dolphins 375,760 (3)
126 Anderson, Tim Falcons 491,720 (3)
127 Landri, Derek Jaguars 408,750 (3)
128 Muir, Daniel Packers 383,740 (3)
129 Harris, Orien Saints 375,760 (3)
130 Duckett, Damane 49ers 526,000 (3)
131 Oshinowo, Babtunde Bears 451,720 (3)
132 Bradley, Joe Colts 295,000 (3)
133 Moore, Rashad Falcons 566,720 (3)
134 Lewis, Trey Falcons 401,126 (3)
135 Fitch, Zarnell Ravens 376,720 (3)
136 Alexander, Lorenzo Redskins 376,720 (3)
137 Boykin, McKinley Saints 375,760 (3)
138 Green, Howard Seahawks 605,000 (3)
139 Johnson, Antonio Titans 345,082 (3)
140 Rubin, Ahtyba Browns Rookie (3)
141 Hayden, Nick Panthers Rookie (3)
142 Powell, Carlton Broncos Rookie (3)
143 Ellison, Atiyyah 49ers 526,000 (3)
144 Toeaina, Matt Bears 376,720 (3)
145 McDaniel, Tony Jaguars 447,500 (3)
146 Gibson, Gary Panthers 376,240 (3)
147 Boschetti, Ryan Redskins 451,720 (3)
148 Vickerson, Kevin Titans 451,720 (3)
149 Cohen, Joe 49ers 394,250 (3)
150 Klecko, Dan Eagles 651,720 (2)
151 Ramsey, LaJuan Eagles 469,970 (2)
152 Shirley, Jason Bengals Rookie (2)
153 Booker, Barry Titans 302,500 (2)
154 Lewis, Jonathan Seahawks 370,000 (2)
155 Williams, Steve Panthers 370,000 (2)
156 Patterson, David Falcons 308,386 (2)
157 Clark, Jeremy Eagles 301,720 (2)
158 Bozeman, Michael Broncos 301,480 (2)
159 Cooper, Chris Seahawks 485,000 (2)
160 Johnson, Thomas Jets 451,240 (2)
161 McChesney, Matt Jets 376,240 (2)
162 Jackson, Tommy 'T.J.' Chiefs 376,240 (2)
163 Wright, Manuel Giants 445,000 (1)
164 Talavou, Kelly Seahawks 295,000 (1)
165 Bulman, Tim Texans 370,000 (1)
166 Taylor, Eric Titans 301,720 (1)
167 Winkler, Ulrich Titans 301,720 (1)
168 Paxson, Scott Steelers 301,720 (1)
169 Washburn, Cliff Packers 301,240 (1)
170 Bolston, Conrad Packers 376,240 (1)
171 Thompson, Orrin Packers 370,000 (1)
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Ed Johnson?
Started all 16 games for the Colts at DT. You also don’t list Keyunta Dawson in the end or tackle rankings.
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by shake n bake on Jul 22, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exclusive Rights FA
And therefore not listed by the NFL currently as on a roster. I’ll add him in. Thanks.
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by MattMiller on Jul 22, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're way underrating Brandon Mebane.
That man is a beast.
by redwolf75 on Jul 23, 2008 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mebane
Loved him at Cal… let’s see what he does on the field first.
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by MattMiller on Jul 23, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Mebane was starting,
The run defense dramatically improved. He is also definitely better than Craig Terril.
by xSAMx on Jul 23, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are, in a way, contradicting yourself.
You put Red Bryant ahead of him and he hasn’t played a season yet. Mebane started for 13 games and played very well too. He was also a better DT than Ellis Wyms too last season.
by xSAMx on Jul 23, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Bryant’s play and potential merit a ranking higher than Mebane. As I’ve stated before, rookies are ranked on their potential to contribute and their talent. This is no different than projecting a rookie as a starter before he is drafted.
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by MattMiller on Jul 23, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Rankings...
Of the 15 starting slots – over nine “positions” – overviewed thus far, my Broncos don’t yet have a single player rated higher than 7 or ranked higher than 13th. In fact, we’ve had only four players (Cutler, Marshall, Graham and Weigmann) ranked in the top 32 in their respective lists! This is a team that you have going 9-7 in 2008 and missing the playoffs by virtue of a tie-breaker alone; are we really that much better than the sum of a parts or are you subconciously underating our individuals?
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by ejruiz on Jul 23, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Second reply
Much like my response in the DE rankings, the Broncos are not a team of superstars. Their one superstar, Champ Bailey, will be graded a 10 at CB. And again from before… how many 8+ players did the 2000 Patriots have?
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by MattMiller on Jul 23, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2000 Patriots
They went 5-11… just saying.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lay off of Matt, people
Seriously, these lists are incredibly deep. Give the man a little credit for doing them, don’t jump on him for ranking one second-day pick above another.
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by BudLight on Jul 24, 2008 1:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gracias
I should have added in the intro that these are only preseason rankings and will be updated throughout the season.
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by MattMiller on Jul 24, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Curious.
I ask my questions because I’m genuinely curious and respect your opinion. I understand how difficult this task is (I’d have trouble listing reasonable top 10’s at each position) and I wouldn’t dare publish them. That said, you do publish them and, knowing that you won’t please everyone, shouldn’t mind inquires like mine all that much. I apologize if you do.
P.S.: I’d expect significant improvements for several key members of the Broncos, such as Cutler, Scheffler, Young and a couple of o-linemen. I think your 9-7 prediction was very fair and we’ll have the individual performances to match up with that record.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind at all...
Keep ‘em coming.
I think the Broncos could really improve too. Had Brandon Marshall not gotten in trouble this off-season, you’d see him ranked a lot higher. The same could be said for Cutler if he can keep his medical problem under control.
I’m a huge fan of Selvin Young and genuinely want to see him explode.
I’d say the strength of the Broncos is their LBs and CBs, you’ll like the rankings there.
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by MattMiller on Jul 24, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll never understand how
Kelly Gregg and Haloti Ngata manage to slip under the radar. Gregg puts together ridiculous stats for a NT, Ngata is also one of the most dynamite run-stoppers in the game. Together the Ravens had the best run-defense last year, allowing a whopping 2.8 yards per carry. Yes Ray Lewis is a big part of that, but the MLB (EJ Henderson) for the second best run-defense, Minnesota, is no slouch.
Consider Kevin Williams and Pat Williams are both rated higher than either Gregg or Ngata, and the Vikings allowed 3.0 YPC compared to the Ravens 2.8. Now, the Williams brothers are awesome DTs, but so are Ngata and Gregg.
From this list, I’d be inclined to believe that the Vikings, Steelers, Browns, Jaguars, Bills, and Cardinals would have better run defenses the next year due to superior DTs, as their best DT is rated higher than Gregg and their second DT is rated higher than Ngata. I’d be shocked if that actually happened. Pass-rushing counts as well, which makes guys like Haynesworth so fricking special, but 1) Kelly Gregg is really quite good at collapsing a pocket, and 2) The most important job of the DTs is to stuff the run. And no-one did that better last year than the Baltimore Ravens.
As an aside, I think guys with work-ethic problems were rated a bit too highly. Yes Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins have talent, but their old teams were tired of them taking plays off and they now have to adjust to new roles on their new teams.
And an another aside, I know I’m coming down pretty hard on this particular list, but I love these lists and they just wouldn’t be nearly as fun if I didn’t get to criticize them.
by math_geek on Jul 24, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Run Defense
Isn’t just defensive tackles. A good run defense can often mean horrible pass defense (Vikings). You have to take in to account the entire defense, not just one position, when looking at overall statistics.
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by MattMiller on Jul 24, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why I use YPC as opposed to total yards allowed
to help eliminate some of the effects of having a horrible pass defense.
You may have to take into account the entire defense when looking at the overall statistics, but it’s not easy to get really impressive overall statistics without really impressive players.
Kelly Gregg is the lynchpin for the Baltimore defense. He’s an elite run-stuffer, effective against the pass, and runs to the ball with more effort and hustle than almost any other DT in the league. I’ve never seen any other DT try to run down a WR on a WR-screen play, and while Gregg usually can’t make the tackle (what an embarrassing thing for the WR if he could!), he usually slows down the WR enough to save a few yards for the defense.
If you don’t use things like YPC, what can you use to evaluate a DT? Tackles? Gregg led the NFL last season with 80 tackles (56 total). Haloti Ngata comes in 3rd with 63 tackles (43 solo). Second place in tackles, Patterson of the Eagles doesn’t fare well on your list either. So I guess that’s out.
As for Haloti Ngata, his addition to the Ravens saved Ray Lewis, and sparked Bart Scott’s career season in 2006 (along with Trevor Pryce). In 2006, all four Ravens linebackers went to the pro-bowl (or were invited) and none of the defensive lineman did. All four of those linebackers started for the Ravens in 2005, under the same defensive coordinator, and none of them made the pro-bowl. The difference? Ngata and Pryce.
So if these aren’t criterion for picking the best DT in the league, then what is? What makes Shaun Rogers, Kris Jenkins, Amobi Okoye, Darnell Docket, Pat Williams, Marcus Stroud etc better than Gregg?
by math_geek on Jul 24, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pass rushing
Period
Combine their ability to rush the passer with their run stuffing ability, and there you go. No one considers Kelly Gregg the best DT in the league. Kelly Gregg doesn’t even consider himself the #1 DT in the league.
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by MattMiller on Jul 24, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call Gregg the best DT in the league
I’m pretty sure Haynesworth gets that nod right now, maybe Casey Hampton. I’d also left out guys like Tommie Harris and Kevin Williams who are just better. But Pat Williams is often taken out in passing situations (Gregg is not even if he’s the only D-lineman on the field).
Kelly Gregg could also have 20 sacks and not consider himself the best DT in the league. The man makes millions of dollars and drives a used pickup truck. Ghandi may not have called himself the best Indian civil rights leader, doesn’t mean he wasn’t.
Pass rushing does, however, explain guys like Docket and Okoye.
I do believe Gregg is the second best 3-4 nose tackle in the league (behind Hampton, except when I’m in an anti-Steeler mood, then Gregg is better). I realize a lot of people think Wilfork is also better. I think Wilfork gets a lot of benefit playing in between Richard Seymour and Ty Warren.
That makes it difficult to understand how other nose-tackles, like Hampton or Vince Wilfork get rated so highly. They are hardly effective pass rushers. Shaun Rogers had 7 sacks last year, he won’t get 3 this year, even if he performs his job really well. When you line up straight across from the center, a sack is a hard thing to get. Four players in your top ten will be NTs next year and not pick up many sacks. Pat Williams is an excellent run-stuffer that doesn’t rush the passer and will not pick up many sacks. So five guys (Hampton, Jenkins, Rogers, Wilfork, and Pat Williams) are not going to be effective pass-rushers next year and are all rated in the top ten. We’ll have to agree to disagree, but I would order the nose-tackles as Hampton – Gregg – Wilfork – some other guys – Rogers – some more guys – Jenkins), and the way that those NTs are seeded among your top DTs, that would certainly put Gregg in the top ten.
by math_geek on Jul 24, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats
Will never tell the entire story, though. There’s a reason most scouts don’t even look at stat sheets. I’m basing these rankings solely on play, potential, age and talent.
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by MattMiller on Jul 24, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, I can surely understand that stats don't tell the whole story
Especially for the DT position, where stats are few and far between. But at some point, a team with better players should play better defense, and I look at a Ravens team whose defensive line played very well (yes, there was not much of a pass rush, but in a 3-4 that is more the linebackers fault than the line), even though the defense as a whole did not play very well (horrible corner play, Jarret Johnson is a great utility guy but not a starter), and their players on that line are not rated very highly.
It’s hard to apply Moneyball to football, because the statistics are so much worse, but the same principle of relying on your eyes being dangerous can hold. Eyes can deceive, and so statistics can help lend precision to your eyes. Now, I may be guilty of loving statistics too much (I am the math_geek after all), but it’s hard to get out of them.
Kelly Gregg strikes me as that kind of Moneyball player. He doesn’t look like an NFL DT because he’s so short. He’s smaller than a lot of the linemen he stacks up against. But, he’s extremely strong and has technique that helps him make up for being smaller. And he always seems to play very well, and Ray Lewis rarely gets blocked, and pockets seem to collapse fairly quickly. And it’s a huge mistake not to double-block him on running plays. I know I’m not the only one jumping up and down singing Gregg’s praises (Peter King once called him the most underrated player in football), but I think it’s amazing that after all the Ravens defense has done, and how dependent it has been on Kelly for the past five years, that he still doesn’t get the recognition he deserves.
by math_geek on Jul 24, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think Matt's selling Jeans?
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by shake n bake on Jul 25, 2008 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have no idea what that means
by math_geek on Jul 25, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moneyball reference
When the scouts would get worked up about a prospects less than perfect physique Beane would yell at them that they aren’t selling jeans here.
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by shake n bake on Jul 25, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
evaluating a player
by whether he looks like a player more than if he plays like one.
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by shake n bake on Jul 25, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, now I remember the line
I just was failing with the connection because I couldn’t see the prototypical DT modeling clothing.
I think there’s some truth to it in football. How many very good football players have gone undrafted partly because they didn’t have the proper physique for their position. You could make the same argument about your Gary Brackett.
by math_geek on Jul 25, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Colts fans with a podcast
described a play where Brackett picked off a pass and returned it about 20 yards as “Brackett flys like a rolly-polly bat out of hell.”
Bethea was a good example the big knock on him was that he was a 6 foot, ~185lb safety. He won the starting job as a rookie and bulked up to over 200 in his first offseason.
Robert Mathis and hopefully Marcus Howard too.
The reigning DPOY was supposedly too short.
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by shake n bake on Jul 25, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew Brees
For that matter Brees, Tom Brady and Jeff Garcia count too.
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by MattMiller on Jul 26, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis was the fifth linebacker taken in his draft
the criticism… He was undersized.
by math_geek on Jul 26, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Rice...
was too slow :)
What’s even more fun is to pick on guys who were drafted high and suck… like Alex Smith!
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by MattMiller on Jul 26, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My personal favourite
Tony Mandarich… the greatest OL prospect of ALL TIME
by math_geek on Jul 26, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Ed Johnson?
I’d guess somewhere between Brock at 19 and Pitcock at 40. Could you narrow that down a bit?
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