My First Mock
by gbears16 on Oct 28, 2009 5:37 AM EDT
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First off I would like to say that this is my first attempt ever at making a mock draft. I know it is going to be pretty bad and that is why I am putting no comments in after each pick yet. That will come later after it has been dissected by you guys. So please let me know if I have the wrong pick for your team and what you think it should be and I will most likely correct that for my next one. Also, let me know if a player is drafted much lower then they should be. I don't follow every potential draftee so some of the guys I didn't really know where to put them. I am sure I have forgotten someone who is a definite first rounder as well.
The order is from the ESPN power rankings. They are not my predictions and obviously the last 12 picks or so will be different due to the playoffs. I will most likely be adding a second and third round as the end of the season nears and the draft gets closer but that is for another time. Everyone's input is appreciated since I do not know exactly what every team needs. Thanks.
1. St. Louis - Jake Locker, QB, Washington
2. Tampa Bay - Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
3. Cleveland - Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
4. Tennessee - Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
5. Kansas City - Russel Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
6. Oakland - Taylor Mays, S, USC
7. Detroit - Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
8. Washington - Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
9. San Francisco (from CAR) - Joe Haden, CB, Florida
10. Seattle - Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
11. Buffalo - Brian Bulaga, OT, Iowa
12. Jacksonville - Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
13. San Francisco - Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
14. Miami - Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama
15. Denver (from CHI) - Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama
16. Houston - Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
17. San Diego - Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
18. New York Jets - Damien Williams, WR, USC
19. Baltimore - Greg Hardy, DE Mississippi
20. Green Bay - Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
21. Philadelphia - Charles Brown, OT, USC
22. Atlanta - Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
23. Arizona - Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas
24. Dallas - Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
25. New York Giants - Brandon Spikes, LB, Florida
26. Pittsburgh - CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
27. Cincinnati - Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
28. New England - Jahvid Best, RB, Cal
29. Minnesota - Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
30. Seattle (from DEN) - Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
31. New Orleans - Eric Norwood, LB, South Carolina
32. Indianapolis - Ciron Black, OT, LSU
Also I was pretty tired when I wrote this so could you guys point out any typing errors. Thanks.
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Jags won't take Bryant
If they passed on Crabtree with no WRs, why would they take 2.0 with MSW emerging as a legit #1? In that scenario, I think they take McClain.
by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The odds are indeed that the Jaguars take someone of the Defensive persuasion
I think there’s a pre-occupation that the Jaguars always have bad WRs tho we had Jimmy Smith and keenan Mccardell. Lately we haven’t have great Wrs, but Mike Sims-Walker has started to emerge so I think a 1st round pick on a Wr after selecting 3 in the last draft is not plausible.
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ravens need a CB
their secondary is in need of upgrades. Matter of fact they could go after Benn instead of Hardy.
The Steelers will NEVER take Spiller. Mendenhall is our starter for the future, Moore is his backup and Redmen (a rookie UDFA) will be third. And don’t forget Frank Summers.
by Steel in FL on Oct 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was a RB in college
we were trying to get him to play FB.
by Steel in FL on Oct 29, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I forgot about Moore
I want me some Buster
by gbears16 on Oct 28, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I dont think Moore is very good
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 28, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is why. around the 3:40 mark
by Steel in FL on Oct 29, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure almost every Steelers' fan would disagree
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Oct 29, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that doesnt mean anything. They think Roethlisberger is the best QB in the league
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 29, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is 3rd best QB
behind Brady, and Peyton. when we win the SB again he is top 2
by Steel in FL on Oct 29, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's some homerism for ya
Maybe Breez and Warner over Roethlisberger. If he defese was ranked 15th he woldn’t be as successful.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees needs a SB ring first before I consider him up there
which he might get this year. If Ben was around during the Greatest Show on Turf years he’d be below Warner; but now no. His WR to me are too good. When your third WR could be a pro bowler on another team you’ve got some WR. The only time he didn’t have good WR (Giants) he stunk.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your 100% wrong on Warner.
He made the Rams go. Faulk, Holt, Bruce..Ricky Proehl..all good WR…yet they weren’t what they were until Warner got there.
Same thing with the Cards. Yea, on the Giants they had one good WR and one good TE (Shockey and Toomer were very good…Warner didn’t have the right offense to succeed with the Giants..nor the o-lIne.)
Not saying Boldin, Breaston and FItz wouldnt be good without him…but they all succeed cuz Warner is that good.
He’s a HOF. If not for his defense deciding to be a sieve in the final minutes of that last SB…he’s a 2 time SB champ.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 30, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the Giants have first overall pick under his management?
He is still one heck of a QB but he has never been good without great wideouts. And Faulk was pretty good before he got to Rams. Holt, and Bruce are HOF. Fitz is too. He did groom some pretty good QB too.
Ben has had one HOF WR and in short career has two more SB. Yes he had great Defense behing him both times. but he made the plays to win both times.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they had a horrible offensive line...
and like I said, the offensive system didn’t fit Warner (it was Tiki or bust…)
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 31, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How horrible?
So Warner is a one scheme QB?
by Steel in FL on Oct 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
West Coast
run and gun type stuff.
The Giants were a run first; Warner likes to throw the ball more.
It didn’t fit.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 1, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK so why didn't Bulger get a ring?
How is it the Cards make it to the Superbowl, Roethlisberger couldn’t have done it. They don’t have a top 3 defense
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cuz Bulger sucks
and I disagree on the Ben “needs” a defense thing.
Many times the best defense is a good offense.
That D doesn’t see the field, they stay fresh.
Its NEVER all defense or all offense.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 31, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't be serious
Roethlisberger lead the league in turnovers and only had the number of wins becuase of his D. He is one of the MOST overrated QB’s in the league. Pittsburgh’s D is the Steelers, when they have bad games they lose.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the D has had a bad game this season
the whole team has had a bad game. Against Chiago Reed missed two FG. Against Cincy Sweed droped a TD. The D had a bad game in the SB yet we still won.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The D made the other Big play for your team in the redzone, before the half and it changed the whole game!
And you’re helping me make my point, your defense doesn’t dominate you don’t win. Your D didn’t play bad otherwise the Cards would have hit their playoff avg. in the 30’s!!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also allowed 300 hundred yards
and a TD in the fourth quarter. We allowed 13.9 points a game last year. The Cardinals had 27. that is a bad game
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals had 23 not 27, your team had 27
The Cardinals avgd. 30 plus points per game in the playoffs and the steelers 29 so both teams were under their avg. James Harrison accounted for as many points as Roethlisberger. How many times has Roethlisberger thrown for 3 TD’s in a SB? He doesn’t have to because he has D. He is nothing more than a gamemanager in a huge body. He is overrated.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison acounted for as many points
Homerism!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only lead the League in INTs once
and most came in the first 9 games of 06 when he was hurt alot of the time. When he was un healthy we were 3-6 when he was healthy we were 6-2
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He led the league in turnovers last season he had over 20
I said turnover as in fumbles count as well. He shouldn’t lead the league in turnovers if he is so great. there is always a rookie QB starting for someone.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIGHT NOW
not in 2005 not 2006 right now he is a top three QB.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he isn't
RIGHT NOW
Brady, Manning, Brees, Schaub, and Orton are all playing better Right Now. Look at his td to int ratio, wat’s yard without points.
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by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Roethlisberger over Orton.
Draft guru in training.
by tj.hendricks on Nov 1, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brady
has Moss, Manning has Wayne (and Harrison before that) Brees has Closton, Schaub has Johnson Orton has Marshall. Does Ben have anyone of equal quality? No.
Ben is the third best QB right behind Brady and Manning. With the game on the line if I had to chose one QB besides Brady and Manning, I would pick the guy who has never had great receivers and still excelled; over the guy who until he got good receivers didn’t excelled
by Steel in FL on Nov 1, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben has Ward and Holmes. Not a bad group of receivers IMO.
Brady and Brees were still good before they had good receivers.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 1, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is Brees win total
2002 8-8 (in 16 games)
2003 2-9 (in 11 games)
2004 11-4(in 15 games)
2005 9-7 (in 16 games)last game in San Diego with the best RB in football
2006 10-6 (in 16 games)
2007 7-9 (in 16 games)
2008 8-8 (in 16 games)
55-49
Brees since 04
45-34 in 160 out of 112
Ben’s
2004 14-1 (in 14 games) on’y season with Burress.
2005 9-3 (In 12 game)
2006 7-8 (in 15 games)
2007 10-5 (in 15 games)
2008 12-4 (in 16 games)
Ben total
52-21 in 72 out of 80 games
Brady’s
2001 11-4 (in 15 games)
2002 9-7 (in 16 games)
2003 14-2 (in 16 games)
2004 14-2 (in 16 games)
2005 10-6 (in 16 games)
2006 12-4 (in 16 games)
2007 16-0 (in 16 games)
2008 1-0 (didn’t play rest of season)
87-25
Since 2004
53-12
In 04 Ben was a rookie Brady was a starter for 4 years Brees was a starter for 3 years
by Steel in FL on Nov 1, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That isnt Brees’s win total. That is the Chargers and Saints win total.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 1, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who normally gets blamed for losing?
the QB. Name one WR for the Chargers from 02-05 besides LT and Gates.
by Steel in FL on Nov 2, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point
Brady and Brees were still good before they had good receivers.
by Steel in FL on Nov 2, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wins dont measure how good a QB is. They measure how good a team is.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 2, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So the QB is the only one that wins or looses games?
I don’t like using win/loss records for QB’s. Just like in college they are saying Colt McCoy is 2 wins away from tying David Greene right because no one else on that team does anything it’s just the QB.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 2, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you have a combined four rings from two guys on that list
I’ll take rings, and come from behind wins before gawdy stats
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Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 1, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the SB talk
Because a player has more rings than someone they are the greates/best? Is Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino because he has a ring?
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by tj.hendricks on Oct 29, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no...
but Ben is definitely in the top somewhere.
Stats don’t mean all that much either.
Ben wins games. ALl that matters.
We’ll see how Brees does as the season goes. He has a good D this year, so that’s not an excuse.
Will he be Marino or Montana?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Orton an elite QB? He is undefeated
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 30, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No not yet
He could become one but he isn’t one right now. Orton only has 1465 yards and 9 touchdowns.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think he is. He defineatly isnt. But Ben isnt top 5.
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben wins games. ALl that matters.
No, no he doesn’t. The Steelers win games, Ben helps with that, but it’s not all him.
If Brees had the Steelers defense his whole career you can bet he’d win just as many games as Roethlisberger.
There’s nothing I hate more than an argument that being on a winning team makes you a good player. Is Willie Parker really good? He’s got 2 rings. What about Rex Grossman? He’s at least been to a Superbowl while Brees never has. The bottom line is teams can win in spite of a player, people need to learn to judge a player based on his own abilities and not based on how good his team is.
Ben is very good, but there’s no way he’s as good as Brees.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A QB's worth is determined in the fourth quarter with game on the line
And as of Sep 11, 2009 Ben in his 5th season has 16 comeback victories. One more than the great Roger Staubach. Here is some more as of Friday, August 7, 2009
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you say so
Point out the losses the Steelers have had in those 5 years and I bet it was mostly due to his turnovers. You can also point out more games where the defense won, more often than his 4th quarter comebacks where he stunk it up all game and the defense held the oppsing team to nearly 7-13 pts. Not a hard comeback. Call me when he has to come back from 21 down.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has
Once against Celevland in 2007
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
once out of 16 WOW let me stop then!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be specific
You asked for a time he came back I game you one
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for losing because of turnovers
1 NE (05)
2 Atl (with Vick)
3 NE (07 Version)
4 Jac (06)
In those four losses Ben didn’t throw a INT.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are you saying out of all the losses the steelers have had in the last 5 years only 4 of them he didnt throw a pick. I would say you just proved rlott#42’s point in that all other loses he has had a turnover. If that’s not what your saying then sorry I misunderstood.
I want me some Buster
by gbears16 on Oct 31, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A QB's worth is determined in the fourth quarter with game on the line
Really so no other game that’s loss before the fourth matters. Or how about a win in which the offense has put it away early. If that’s the case he is overrated and overpaid.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm I think a QB that plays well enough in the first 3 quarters that he doesn't need a comeback
is preferable.
Fetishizing the 4th quarter and the playoffs just pulls from a sampler sample that will naturally have more noise, and thus more outliers.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Oct 30, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
umm I think a QB that plays well enough in the first 3 quarters that he doesn’t need a comeback
I LOVE blowouts by my team. Nothing would please me more to win every game by 35-7. but sometimes you can’t and the best QBs are the ones who can comeback and win.
by Steel in FL on Oct 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just isn't as good as wins indicate.
Great QB I’m not saying he isn’t but he isn’t top 5, not in this NFL!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Willie Parker really good? He’s got 2 rings
It applies to QBs more.
What about Rex Grossman? He’s at least been to a Superbowl while Brees never has.Grossman is a manager. Brees is a star. I rank mainly on SB wins, FQ comebacks, accomplishments of the team, and the time he is playing in. I think Kenny Anderson should be in the HOF. The ONLY reason he didn’t win a SB is the little problem of the Steel Curtain
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grossman is a bum not a manager
The difference between Gross and Ben is that ben has played for far better teams and Ben is not a bum. Grossman is a bum, his efense caried him to that Superbowl, so they have some similarities!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees would win more games and superbowls and Brady MAY not have gotten some of his!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben does not win games he manages.
He has had some wins where he came back and made a great play or 3 or 4, but he has also done plenty to lose games and the defense has showed up for him. (since he gets credit for the win) I mean what was he averaging in his first superbowl winning season……..176yds 1td 1 int just a guess but I know I’m close he is overrated.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A "managing" QB (like Shaun Hill)
Won’t run the ball in himself for a win. We threw the ball 31.6 times a game last year. This year we average 33.4 attempts a game. That’s not managing a game.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is when you can't run.
Your running game was horrible last season. You passed the ball more and he turned it over more than anyone in the league, so he manages games horribly when the running game isn’t as effective. He is good, but not top 5 in the NFL. He is said to be, hence me saying he isoverrated!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Farve led the league with 22 INTs last year Ben had 15. And a 12-4 record. With the hardest schedules.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not in tht division
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That “Division” had two teams in the Chapmionship game. Not even the great NFC East did that.
by Steel in FL on Oct 31, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of those teams had a rookie QB
Yeah and two teams drafting top ten in the league and that’s 4 games for both of those championship teams
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by rlott#42 on Oct 31, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team that we played in the AFCCG
"Polamalu’s lineage can be traced through several roots. Chuck Norris mated with an Amazon Queen, and on the other side, Tony Hawk mated with Mother Nature. The two children of these spawned and fused in a tantric love session to create Troy Polamalu. The mother however died as he tore through the birth canal with a spin move."
Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 1, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In 05
we averaged 182.9 yards a game(24th) with three QB’s
The Giants averaged only 40.7 more yards.
In the games Ben missed Steelers QB threw 3 TDs and 5 INTS
Ben in 13 games threw 17 TD and 9 INTs
Eli in 16 games threw 24 TD and 17 INTs
In Brees’s 2nd season in 03 he threw in 11 games 11TD and 15 INTs
In Brady’s 2nd season he played 16 games and threw 28 TDs and 14 INTs
Whose overrated now?
How is it that Brees leave the Chargers with a 9-7 record the next year the chargers were 14-2?
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You go back to his second year in the league to call him overrated
Ben is overrated TODAY, yessir, right this moment!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean what was he averaging in his first superbowl winning season……..176yds 1td 1 int just a guess but I know I’m close he is overrated.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're counting superbowl wins as if charlie batch couldnt have won them
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's all from the regular season
and no Batch couldn’t have won it. If he could he wouldn’t be a backup. And we would have won it earlier.
by Steel in FL on Oct 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben had one good drive all game
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by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
17td's and 15 int's in his most recent complete season
OVERRATED! He actually only had one good year passing the ball as far as td to int ration is concerned.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no last season
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by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunatey in this era everything revloves around the SB
If you can’t get to one your ranked lower than one who has. Now that doesn’t mean Dilfer was better than Marino. The Marino Dolphins couldn’t win the big one Dilfers Ravens did.
Look at Andre Reed. If the Bills had won just one SB wouldn’t he be in the Hall by now?
Of all the QB that played after the SB was created how many have been sent to the Hall without rings? Of the top of my head 4 Kelly, Marino, Tarkenton, Moon. Kelly and Tarkenton both got to multiple SB, Marino revolutionized the position, and not to be racist but Moon got in because he was Black. Same with Doug Williams. Same with President Obama.
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The political comments aren't needed
This is a football blog.
And no, everything doesn’t revolve around the SB. People who are lazy and can’t do any analysis for themselves judge players based on how their team plays, but any analyst worth his salt will try to seperate a player from the context of his situation. If Big Ben were on the Lions his whole career he would have 0 rings, would that make him a worse player? Of course not.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moon got in because he was black?
That’s ridiculous, Moon posted great QB numbers and isn’t spoke of as one of the greatest QB’s ever because he was in the canadian league. Probably because he was Black, and that’s a maybe. I can’t see what he did in college to not warrant being drafted in this league.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's like saying Roethlisberger didn't lose his endorsements like obe cuz he isn't black!!
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by rlott#42 on Nov 1, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They definitely do, but they also need to get Ray's replacement
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by rlott#42 on Oct 29, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
Dannell Ellerbe? Prescott Burgess? Antwan Barnes? Wouldn’t it be smarter to draft a replacementplayer before Ray retires so that the replacement can learn from the veteran? A la Farve-Rodgers, Rice-TO, Montana, Young
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes since to me, I would do exactly that!!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which part makes sense?
Drafting when it’s a need or before it’s a need?
by Steel in FL on Oct 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Letting the replacement learn from the vet he's replacing!
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time
I see Spikes mocked to the Giants, it warms my cockels.
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by FreeBradshaw on Oct 28, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll drop that far unless you have more losses than everyone expects.
49ers need another ILB
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by rlott#42 on Oct 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave the niners a corner not necessarily to play opposite of Clemens but rather to have the option to move him to a safety spot and who knows maybe Mckillop will turn out to be the guy there.
I want me some Buster
by gbears16 on Oct 30, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you on the number 8 selection.
49ers may pick twice before the Giants. (may)
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about a few of the people you have in the first (Paul-Pierre, Robinson), but solid for your first mock
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like they will continue to rise throughout the season and make it to the first.
I want me some Buster
by gbears16 on Oct 28, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good first try
I applaud you for taking the time to create this. And for allowing us fans to dissect it.
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 28, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Pierre
WILL go in round one.
6"5 265 and may run a 4.5.
One of those guys that you don’t see it now, but if he declares and has that sort of offseason, he will go in round one and maybe fairly high (like top 20).
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by FreeBradshaw on Oct 31, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real good job dude
Don’t be afraid to keep making mocks.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 28, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT for Indy is good
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by shake n bake on Oct 29, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Berry won't go that high
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by rlott#42 on Oct 29, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most mocks have him going that high. Why do you think he wont?
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 29, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a safety
How often do safeties go in the top 5?
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 30, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Berry is a lot better than safety prospects the last few years
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Polamalu, Reed, Landry, Taylor, Sanders?
Taylor went #5, all the rest went lower than that.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 30, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming out of college he looks like a better prospect. That doesnt mean he will be as succesful as them though
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 30, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
Your opinion about where he should go, you have to admit he will be a top 5 pick regardless.
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by Bestjagfan on Oct 29, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the teams with one win or none have more needs at DL, OL, and QB
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by rlott#42 on Oct 29, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is my opinion
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Hear Ya
I don’t think a team can pass up on a talent like Berry though. Maybe not top five, but there is no way he falls past ten.
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by Bestjagfan on Oct 31, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berry will go that high maybe even higher
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by tj.hendricks on Oct 29, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name all of the safeties that have ever gone in the top 3...
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 30, 2009 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's irrelevant....
a team that needs an impact saftey..and checks out the impact guys like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu have on their teams?
Wouldn’t be surprised to see him go #1 overall.
He’s not just a Safety either. He may be the best CB in the draft and also he can play a rover type LB/S if a team has that in their defense.
Aaron Curry was talked about as the #1..and he didn’t nearly have the impact Berry has on his team.
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by FreeBradshaw on Oct 30, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's totally relevant
In the past 19 drafts no safety has been picked in the top 4 picks. 19!! Only 5 have been taken in the top 10, Sean Taylor at #5, Laron Landry at #6, Michael Huff at #7, Roy Williams at #8, and Donte Witner at #8.
So I’d say Huff, Williams, and Witner are all busts and while Taylor and Landry were/are very good they didn’t really help the Skins all that much (obviously Taylor’s tragedy was incredibly sad and unpredictable though). But if no safety has been picked in the top 3 in the last 20 years, what makes you think it will happen this year? Berry is really the best safety prospect of the last 20 years? I don’t think so, and I’d bet a ton of money that he doesn’t go #1.
Honestly given the success rate of highly touted safeties I wouldn’t take Berry in the top 5 and Mays not even in the top 10.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 30, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the teams as well
Redskins can always be stupid, but they desperately need a QB. The raiders will take Berry or Mays because they are stupid as well. If those two teams draft who they should Berry will fall.
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by rlott#42 on Oct 30, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Given the success rate of “highly touted safeties” you wouldn’t take Berry in top 5? How about the success rate of the other positions? Every position has it’s busts.
So should the top 10 only be reserved for QB, RB, WR, T, DE, DT, LB, CB? No matter what your need is only draft those in the top 10?
Every draft is different you can’t compare 1980 to 2009 draft. Is it ok to take a kicker #17 overall since it has been done within the last 10 years?
This could all be a moot point if Eric Berry pulls a Taylor Mays and stays for his senior year.
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by tj.hendricks on Oct 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you...
just cuz in the past there were teams that passed on Sean Taylor (RIP) Ed Reed, Polamalu..
doesn’t mean they will do it again.
Actually, like tj said, given the success of those guys, I’d think that teams would be jumping over themselves to grab one of these sort of safetys, which Eric Berry definitely is.
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by FreeBradshaw on Oct 31, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter
Every draft is different. So are you saying every year a QB needs to go #1? So in a draft with no QB’s you would take a Alex Smith? It was 11 years in between a T going #1?
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by tj.hendricks on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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