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Really Rough Mock - Week 4

It seems as though everyone else has taken their shot with a ridiculously early mock draft and mine is long overdue.  Besides, another sleepless night is a fine time to throw together a mock as quickly as possible to get a new conversation going.  I'll address a few points about this project before unleashing it onto the Internet.  Beware, because it could be just about the ugliest thing you've ever seen!

1)  Order:  I used the current standings, breaking ties via point differential.  This is not how I see things panning out, though I suppose stranger things have happened.  I say all this because I don't want people getting caught up in the order and overlooking the picks.  One more thing: since I fully expect things to change as the season progress, you may notice a handful of prospects going too early or too late.  I ask only that you focus on the pick(s) for the team and not worry too much about value and whatnot.

2)  Prospects:  There are some names you may not see that you believe should be there and others that you will find that you'll feel don't belong.  That's fair game and, while I'm interested in having that discussion, it should not be the principal focus of your comments.

3)  Criticism:  Though I enjoy patting myself on the back whenever I get anything right, I am fully prepared to get most everything wrong in this attempt.  I share this with you here because I value your input.  My hope is that you'll propose solutions for the problems you point out.  You all know your teams, divisions and maybe even conferences better than I do, so feel free to share that knowledge with me.

And so, without further ado and begging forgiveness for most likely wasting a moment of your time, on to my mock:

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1.      St. Louis Rams:  Greg Hardy, DE, Mississippi

2.      Cleveland Browns:  Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State

3.      Tampa Bay Buccaneers:  Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska

4.      Kansas City Chiefs:  Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State

5.      Tennessee Titans:  Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State

6.      San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina Panthers):  Taylor Mays, FS, USC

7.      Detroit Lions:  Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma

8.      Oakland Raiders:  Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma

9.      Buffalo Bills:  Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

10.  Seattle Seahawks:  C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

11.  Miami Dolphins:  Brandon Spikes, LB, Florida

12.  Arizona Cardinals:  Colt McCoy, QB, Texas

13.  Washington Redskins:  Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia

14.  San Diego Chargers:  Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama

15.  Houston Texans:  Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse

16.  Pittsburgh Steelers:  Eric Berry, SS, Tennessee

17.  Green Bay Packers:  Ciron Black, OT, LSU

18.  Jacksonville Jaguars:  Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

19.  Dallas Cowboys:  Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU

20.  Atlanta Falcons:  Syd’Quan Thompson, CB, Cal

21.  Philadelphia Eagles:  Trevard Lindley, CB, Kentucky

22.  Cincinnati Bengals:  Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech

23.  New England Patriots:  Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida

24.  Denver Broncos (from Chicago Bears):  Marshwan Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati

25.  New York Jets:  Jahvid Best, RB, Cal

26.  San Francisco 49ers:  Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, TCU

27.  Baltimore Ravens:  Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois

28.  Minnesota Vikings:  Jevan Snead, QB, Mississippi

29.  New York Giants:  Rolondo McClain, ILB, Alabama

30.  Indianapolis Colts:  Sean Witherspoon, OLB, Missouri

31.  Seattle Seahawks (from Denver Broncos):  Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina

32.  New Orleans Saints:  Joe Haden, CB, Florida

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I like Greg Hardy and all but #1 overall? Don’t see the Browns going WR (although they could) with Massaquoi and Robiskie being 2nd rounders last year. Patrick Robinson is really high. You like him that much? I’m not quite sure about CJ Spiller in the top 10. Selvish Capers in the top 15? I’m not seeing it. Eric Berry is way way too low. He is as close to top 5 lock as there is. As much as I love Syd’Quan Thompson he’s not a 1st rounder he doesn’t have the speed you covet from a top 20 pick at CB. Dunlap is either you like him or not. Me I have him as a top 10 but I’ve seen others have him around there.

You like Hardy, Capers and Thompson that much? and dislike Berry that much?

Interesting stuff, keep them coming.

Draft guru in training.

by tj.hendricks on Oct 7, 2009 4:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Points.

I think Hardy’s a very early pick and a good fit for the Rams, so I went with that. Like I said, the precise slotting is very fluid at this point; would you be that thrown off by the selection if they were at #5?

Good point about the Browns; that’s something that slipped my mind. I guess I apporached their pick with the thought that they need a playmaker on that side of the ball and Bryant was the only one I could justify at that point. With the Edwards trade rumors from last offseason and the limited ceiling of their two rookies, I wouldn’t say it’s impossible that they snag a guy like Dez, but I agree that they might not.

Robinson looks like one of those fast risers so far, the Titans could use a guy like him in the secondary and they’re not affraid to go against the grain with their early picks. I don’t think they’ll be picking that low, so the choice won’t be as much of a headscratcher as it might look like now, but I do like him as a surprise top ten pick (there’s always one) and Tennessee is the sort of team that could pull the trigger on something like that.

I don’t love C.J. Spiller that high either, but there’s a legitimate lack of both quality RB and truly explosive offensive guys in this draft and he’s one of them.

Capers is another fast riser in my book, so I could see him going early after the elite guys go so quickly and more teams look to man the trenches with athletic prospects.

I’m not sure what I was thinking with Berry being that low other than my general belief that safeties don’t tend to go all that early in drafts, but he is the sort that should break that mold.

I guess I like Thompson’s ceiling more than you do and it’s always tricky to project corners like him who aren’t burners, but I still view him as a legit first rounders and the sort to go in the middle of a run at the position.

As a Gators fan, I like Dunlap but his questionable effort at times concerns me. I’m also a little dubious on his ceiling as a 3-4 end. I could see him having a Tyson Jackson type rise in this draft, but I’m slotting him where I think is fair at this point.

I gotta say, I have much more homework to do before I feel entirely comfortable with my own player rankings, so expect plenty of movement between now and my next mock. Thanks a bunch for the multiple points and I will certainly take them under concideration. Glad you took the time to look and comment like you did.

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by ejruiz on Oct 7, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

18th pick, that be almost too good to be true. And to get a decent/good QB there would be incredible.

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 7, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sean Witherspoon sounds intriguing

I don’t think they’d spend a 1st rounder on an OLB, but in the Colts D he’d be big enough, and sounds like the right kind of cover guy to play MLB.

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by shake n bake on Oct 7, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

The Colts are one of those organizations that are difficult to mock for me because they’re very specific about the guys the take and I have a hard time judging their needs.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 7, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might

just steal your draft order. Good reasoning behind it. I might switch picks 30 and 31.

As for the draft, it’s hard for me to imagine the Rams taking another d-lineman in the first round, especially over a quarterback.

Don’t really care for a receiver going to the Browns. They have so many other needs — RT, RG, Safety, CB, LB — and just got Stuckey in that trade.

I’m having Berry go higher in my draft because he’s Eric Berry. So good.

I’m not sold on these offensive tackles anymore either. Black I’ve always considered to be decent. Capers is playing RT, so I’m not sure he’s worth a top 15 pick.

Good stuff though. Very well thought out.

by Mocking Dan on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cool.

I think that order makes sense, if only because it’s fun to see what the draft would look like if the season ended now. Moderate subjective changes might make it better, but it could also expose some biases.

I suppose the Rams could go QB near the top of the draft, but they’re just so far away and I’m not sure there’s a truly elite QB out there. Bradford’s the only one I’d consider that high and even then I’d be worried.

The Browns look like they’re ready to rebuild… again, so they’d be a logical destination for a BPA.

I messed up with Berry and will correct that in my next draft.

I have to admit that the OTs aren’t that solid, but there’s always a need for prospects up front.

Thanks for checking out my mock and commenting. I’ll probably post another in four weeks and it should be fun to compare. I look forward to seeing your mock whenever it’s ready!

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rams need a new QB more than anything and Spag knows this.
   Browns need D help particualy at the line.
Titans may go after a QB depending on how VY looks when he plays this season.
    Unless Berry can play FS we won’t pick him up especially if we pick that low. Yes we need playmacker in the secondary but we draft someone who could be last year in Burnett. I see us making a move for Cody our NT’s are old and we need a replacment.
   Vikings don’t need a QB I think that Jackson will turn it around after a year under Farve School of QB. I see them getting a DT the Williams are getting old

by Steel in FL on Oct 7, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Browns are fine on Defensive line but they are getting old

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 7, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do the Browns struggle to stop the run yet the Steelers and Ravens don't?

The answer is are d-lines are good enough to demand at least two double teams for the three players.

by Steel in FL on Oct 8, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you count Suggs or Harrison as one of those players, then yea. If not. You are way off.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison and Suggs

can roam freely because olinemen can’t leave dlinmen to one blocker often. Cleves D-line isn’t good enough to force the O do scheme around them.

by Steel in FL on Oct 9, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shaun Rogers is better than Hampton.

Harrison and Suggs dont go unblocked all the time. You are wrong

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 9, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shaun Rogers is not better than Hampton

When Hammton gets mad he can take out an entire Oline by himself. Harrison doesn’t go unblock because you can’t for fear of someone getting there head taken off by him

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The two children of these spawned and fused in a tantric love session to create Troy Polamalu. The mother however died as he tore through the birth canal with a spin move."
Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu

by WVPiratesfan on Oct 10, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Typical Pittsburg fan…

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 10, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You probably also think that Ben is the best NFL QB because he is a “Winner”

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 10, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

2 rings before the age of 27, 63.9 completion percentage, 109 TD, passer rating of 90.5. But he isn’t good

"Polamalu’s lineage can be traced through several roots. Chuck Norris mated with an Amazon Queen, and on the other side, Tony Hawk mated with Mother Nature.

The two children of these spawned and fused in a tantric love session to create Troy Polamalu. The mother however died as he tore through the birth canal with a spin move."
Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu

by WVPiratesfan on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did I say he isnt good?

I would just rather have Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Either one of the Mannings, and Matt Ryan. I would also think about taking Cutler and Rivers over him.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 12, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not taking rivers maybe cutler, and I'm not ready to put matty ice in that catagory yet

but I’d take Brees, or the Mannings. But I’ll always have a roster spot for Ben on my team

"Polamalu’s lineage can be traced through several roots. Chuck Norris mated with an Amazon Queen, and on the other side, Tony Hawk mated with Mother Nature.

The two children of these spawned and fused in a tantric love session to create Troy Polamalu. The mother however died as he tore through the birth canal with a spin move."
Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu

by WVPiratesfan on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I don’t think Ben’s the best QB in the league. But if I need a 4th quarter comeback in the playoffs I’m looking for Ben. I don’t trust Manning in the Playoffs and Brady isn’t himself yet.

by Steel in FL on Oct 12, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When blitzing their not unblocked

but when stopping the run no linemen are moving up because if they do the DE will make the tackle.

Yes I will admit Rogers is probably better than manily because Hampton is getting old. But he isn’t the best. The best would be Ngata.
But I will say this Smith and Keisel are better than who ever you got.

by Steel in FL on Oct 10, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers is getting old too.
And I agree that Keisel and Smith are MUCH better than our DEs

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 10, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting.

Those are definitely a handful of points that I’ll consider in the future. A QB to the Rams seems like the concensus and WR for the Browns has been generally frowned upon. Berry can do almost anything a DB has to do, but he’ll likely move up in my next version, so I’ll keep your NT need in mind as a replacement pick. I’m not high on Tavaris, though.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love Berry as a Steeler

but we need to draft for need and if Cody is there for us he’s ours.
Tavaris asn’t looked good until that last preseason game when brett Farve arrived he looked really good.

by Steel in FL on Oct 8, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing on QB's that recently hit me

Most teams give up on Qb really easy as of late. Same with HCs Example since 1970 the Dolphins have had 7 head Coachs. Which seems pretty good until you see that Shula coachs from 1970-1995! In that same period the Steelers have had three SB winning HC.
Bradshaw took five years to pull it all together. Today he would have been dumped third season if not earlier.

by Steel in FL on Oct 9, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can guarantee you that Arizona will not draft a QB in the first round

With huge needs at ILB, OLB, OT and possibly even NT, QB is one of the last spots that the Cardinals will look at in the first round.

Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

by Bezekira on Oct 7, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I was under the impression that Leinart was on his last legs and Warner is certainly old. It seems like a good time to bring in another QB, but I guess bigger needs could be adressed. Thanks for the info!

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how

I like how you broke it down but I dont agree with a couple picks.

by Montell on Oct 7, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I’d love it if you could tell me which picks you disagree with the most, because I really am looking to improve this thing in the future and the more points of view I get, the better!

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would the Browns go WR? Yea they traded Braylon for nothing but they still have Massaqoui

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 7, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because they're best WR is Massaqoui

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by MBoz126 on Oct 7, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we traded a WR because of character concerns why would we take another diva

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because you don't have a #1 WR

o the irony :P

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 8, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bryant.

Does Dez have that much of a diva rep?

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Browns.

I gave them Bryant even before they traded Edwards away because I felt that they desperately needed additional playmakers on that offense. With the Crabtree rumors from last year, I thought they may well look for a WR and now they’ve finally dealt Bryalon away. Massaqoui and Robiske don’t do anything for me, as I see them as possesion receivers with #2 ceilings that they may not even reach. I do like Stuckey, but he may be a slot guy at best. What would you have me look at for them?

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

....

Browns need someone to get a WR the ball.

Doesn’t matter who your WR are, if the QB blows, chances are the WR don’t matter.

…tho it also has a lot to do with an ignorant gameplanning OC….

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 8, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quinn.

I still like Quinn, but they need to stick to him and game plan better. The Mangenius is not working out…

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree. I hope he gets traded to the Broncos.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 8, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quality QB.

There are plenty of QB with upside that are going to be on the move this offseason. I’d imagine my Broncos may be interested, but most likely they’ll lock up Orton for a few years while they groom an understudy.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Quinn has potential, he just hasnt been coached well and was put in situations to fail. McDaniels is a great with working with QBs, but you all dont have any QBs that will be franchise guys.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 9, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Denver will make the Playoffs, but wont make it to the AFC championship, let alone the Super Bowl

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 7, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In Case You Missed It.

“I used the current standings, breaking ties via point differential. This is not how I see things panning out”. Right now, the Broncos have the second best point differential and are undefeated, so they come in at #31. Don’t read anything into it…

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but hardly any of these picks seem to fit right.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 7, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's OK.

If you could share a couple that really bother you, that’d be helpful. Even better, if you could provide alternatives, I’d greatly appreciate that.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rams would draft Bradford

Touchdown St.Louis Rams Won the SuperBowl

by WaZuP cReAtOr on Oct 7, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bradford.

I’m getting the feeling that most people like the Rams to get a QB and that makes some sense. Bradford is also the only one I think would be worth considering so highly. That said, I’m not 100% sold on him as that sort of investment, but it’s likely that he ends up in St. Louis in a revision at this point.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the McClain pick for the Gints...

he’s a steal if they get him.

As for Greg Hardy #1? I don’t think so.

Too injury prone. He’s good, but he might even be a second rounder cuz of all his injuries.

Carlos Dunlap would be the #1 overall if a defensive lineman is 1st. A 6"6 285lbs man has no buisnes running a 4.6, and he will.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 7, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

McClain would certainly be a steal, but that always seems to happen with an ILB in the draft (Ryans, Mualuga, etc.) and the Giants tend to draft well. I might be too bullish on Hardy and too low on Dunlap. As a Gators fan, I question Carlos’ drive at this point and his fit in any particular defense.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK...

I would love to watch the Gators more, but they are never on up here.

Dunlap just reminds me too much of a Mario Williams situation. Mario really never was a #1 pick type, but when a guy that size works out after the season like he did, a team will probably try to copy that.

Not saying he’s gonna be a star or anything either. Just his size and athleticism are gonna get him drafted real high.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 8, 2009 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back and Forth.

I could see Dunlap being a high pick because of his physical attributes, but I could also see him slip because of his film.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Gilyard before Benn pick.

Still blown away by the Eric Berry pick though….NO way he sneaks out of the top 7….but it’s sweet to imagine him lining up next to Troy.

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by MBoz126 on Oct 7, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol!

Thread maker must be a Steeler fan.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 7, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Madden Curse is real

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!

Polamalu and Berry back there would be scary and it’s certainly fun to think about, but I agree that he lasted too long in this mock. As for Gilyard, he just seems to be a better fit for the Broncos. People tend to think of a draft board as somehow universal, but it’s anything but. Every team has different markers they look for and Denver is not afraid to pull the trigger “early” on a guy they want.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gilyard probably will be a good player

the fact he plays in a spreadish system at UC and would go to McDaniels spreadish system in Denver would fit.

I just don’t see how they would need anotther WR when they have Eddie Royal and Marshall.

They probably could use corner or a safety or 2. They have Brian Dawkins and he’s getting torched a lot.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 8, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Champ Bailey

while obviously still good, isn’t getting any younger either.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 8, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broncos Needs.

They currently have every spot in the defensive backfield backed up by a rookie or second year man. Alphonso Smith, Jack Williams, Darcel McBath, David Bruton and Josh Barrett are all solid prospects and have looked good when given a chance on the field. Denver will most likely not be spending premium picks on DBs any time soon. By the way, I’m not sure where you’re getting that Dawkins is getting torched since I’m pretty sure that the Broncos lead the league in fewest big plays allowed…

The reason why I have Denver taking a WR is simply because they just don’t have many needs right now. They have quality young players spread throughout the depth chart in such a way that they can afford a luxury pick like Gilyard. Marshall may not get his extension and Royal is experiencing a sophmore slump. Add to that the age of key back-ups in the WR corps and I could see WR being the pick. It’s also the likely best value position near the end of the first round.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your all’s front 7 still could use some more talent. I think the reason your D is so good is because of your secondary. Rolando McClain would be a great fit in a 3-4 and so would Jerry Hughes.

Has Ayers done anything yet?

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 8, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Front Seven.

Dumervil is 25, D.J. Williams is 27, Ayers is a rookie and Woodyard/Larsen are NFL sophomores. Marcus Thomas is 24 and Chris Baker is a rookie. That’s likely 5/7 or 6/7 of our front seven now or in the near future and for some years to come. There’s plenty of potential and production in that group, too. I’d like to see us add a high-ceiling 3-4 DE, but the rest is really just depth or competition at this point.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think McClain would be tough to pass up for you guys.

Do you all still have that Everette Pesclauex (sp)?

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 9, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

I think he’s on the practice squad, but I’m not entirely sure. I really liked his potential…

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 10, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Broncs have addressed their secondary with Bruton, McBath, and Smith. I think at least one of them will pan out, probably 2.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 8, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

At very least, you have to give that crop time to prove themselves one way or the other…

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 8, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFC West picks

First of all, nice job ejruiz! It takes some work to put together one of these and this was an interesting read. My impressions on the NFC West picks since that’s the division I know best:

Rams: I don’t see them going D-line in the 1st after investing heavily in Carriker and Long the last few years. If they did I think it’d have to be a DT though, not a DE. They obviously have lots of needs but I agree with what most people here are saying that QB would be the right choice. Bulger is done and there’s no one waiting in the wings. The only question is whether or not there is a QB worthy of being picked that high.

Seahawks: I think Spiller is a good fit for them only I can’t see them taking Spiller that high. If they used their lower first round pick (assuming it’s somewhere in the 20’s and Spiller is still available) on Spiller I think that would be pretty realistic. Marvin Austin is not really a good fit for them I don’t think. He’s an underachiever and they typically don’t like guys like that. They have a very good UT in Brandon Mebane and Red Bryant has potential as a run stopper. They also have Corey Redding although I’m not sure, he might be a FA after this year. At DE they’ve invested heavily in Kerney, Tapp, and Lawrence Jackson. Basically I don’t see them using another high pick on the front 7. Their offense is old and they don’t really have any explosive playmakers, and their secondary could use some work.

Cardinals: From what I’ve heard they still think Leinart can be the guy. Warner is declining but I think they will at least give Leinart a chance to see if he can be the starter in the next year or two. I could be wrong but I’d be surprised if they went with a QB. The O-line is bad (they need a tackle) and the the front seven needs some more talent.

49ers: Actually the Niners picks are my favorite of your NFC West picks, which is funny because people are usually pickiest about the teams they like. I think both Mays and Hughes are realistic both need-wise and at their corresponding draft spots. My only gripe would be that I don’t expect both picks to be used on defense. Either one could be but I don’t see them going that direction with both picks. The defense has looked really good so far while the offensive line is just atrocious and Hill is not a great option at QB (although some people are content with him). I think one of the picks will be an offensive lineman as long as the right guy is there.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 9, 2009 4:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Info!

That’s some really in depth stuff and I’ll definitely keep it all in mind. I have to say that I’ve been swayed to alot of the ideas mentioned in these comments and I appreciate them greatly. It’ll be a few weeks before I give it another go, but it’ll be in the works. Thanks again!

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 9, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, after taking Long two years ago I dont see another DE.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 9, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know why people Question Mock Drafts so much, Eric Berry could fall to the 20th pick.lol I know thats unlikely but thats what everyone said about Brady Quinn too.

by darwithabar on Oct 10, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

But I invited the questions and they certainly have a point. Sure, anything can happen and sometimes craziness ensues, but the goal should be to aim for the highest probability. Thanks for the support though!

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 10, 2009 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love seeing Lafell to the Cowboys

We do need a number 1, its obvious Roy is a number 2 at best in our offense. I think NT could be another position to look at if Wade is not our coach, I would much rather have Ratliff as DE (taking Spears spot) than to stay at NT. Overall nice spots and selections

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Oct 11, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I thought LaFell to the Cowboys was a pretty natural fit and I’m glad you like it.

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles Austin looked good yesterday.

by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 12, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really...

the Chiefs horrible tackling was to blame. He also dropped a few TD passes.

..."I predict...the Giants are #1"...

...."That's not a prediction meatman, that's a FACT OF LIFE"!.

---Carl

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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