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An Average Joe's Mock Draft: 1.0

This will be my first draft for this year. I did a bunch of them last year, and really enjoyed doing them. I meant to begin earlier in the season, but have been too busy with school. I've got a first round mock only for this week, but will try to do a two or three rounder next week. I love debate, so please feel free to argue a pick/give your insight on who the player selected should be. I used ESPN power rankings as the base for my draft order, but I mixed it up a little with my own idea of where each team will finish. Excuse any mistakes, I've put this together in my spare time the past few days, which is about 1 to 1:30 am.

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1. St Louis Rams: Jimmy Clausen, Quarterback, Notre Dame

I think Clausen is currently the best all around quarterback in the upcoming draft. Locker could be possible here as well, but he is without a doubt more raw. Clausen doesn't have to start immediately, but the sooner the better. The Rams have nowhere to go but up, and need to start over. QB is the place to start.

2. Kansas City Chiefs: Russell Okung, Tackle, Oklahoma State

The Chiefs have one of the worst offensive lines in the league. I'm not a big Matt Cassell fan, but thats their guy, and I'd have to imagine they are sticking with him. If they plan on keeping him out of an assisted living retirement home, they may want to get him some protection. Okung is the best tackle in the draft... why not?

3. Detroit Lions: Ndamukong Suh, Defensive Tackle, Nebraska

This was the easiest pick to place. Every Lions fan I've talked to says this should be their guy if everything goes according to plan. I don't think the Lions can pass on this guy when their biggest need is the interior of their defensive line. 

4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gerald McCoy, Defensive Tackle, Oklahoma

They need a lot of defensive line help, so Carlos Dunlap or even Arthur Jones could be an option here. However interior linemen have a lesser chance of busting, so the Bucs grab a safe pick in McCoy.

5. Cleveland Browns: Eric Berry, Safety/DB, Tennessee

The Browns have a weak secondary, especially at the safety position. Berry is one of the best, if not the best player in the draft. There is no way in my opinion he slips out of the top five, so the Browns take him. 

6. Oakland Raiders: Jake Locker, Quarterback, Washington

I just have a feeling the Raiders will cut Jamarcus lose after this season. I also have a feeling the Raiders will try again on this whole quarterback dilemma they have faced ever since the early 2000s. Jake Locker=Supposed sub 4.5 speed. Al Davis=Lover of all things fast. Locker + Davis=Raiders 2010 draft pick.

7. Buffalo Bills: Brian Bulaga, Tackle, Iowa

Trent Edwards seems to still be able to win. I'm sure the Bills would love to see him play without concussions, so they improve the o-line, the likely cause of those concussions.

8. Seattle Seahawks: Colt McCoy, Quarterback, Texas

The Seahawks know Hasselbeck is getting old, and could use a replacement. Bradford could be a possibility here, but I don't think he goes this high. McCoy should be their guy here. The 'hawks don't like to go vertical, and prefer short ball control passes. McCoy could have the greatest accuracy in the draft...

9. Washington Redskins: Sam Bradford, Quarterback, Oklahoma

Like I said above, I personally wouldn't take Bradford this high, but Snyder seems just crazy enough to do it. Jason Campbell is more than likely in his last season in Washington, so unless Colt Brennan is the QB of the future, Danny boy has to take somebody.

10. San Francisco 49ers(from Panthers): Ciron Black, Tackle, LSU

Here is a guy you won't see taken this high in many mocks. Argue with me all you want, but this guy is a mauler. Singletary will love him in the running game, and the niners are in need of offensive line help. This is the type of guy who has the potential to shoot up draft boards in the offseason leading up to the draft. Did anyone have Jason Smith going in the top five at the end of last football season?

11. Denver Broncos(from Bears): Taylor Mays, Safety, USC

The Broncos don't have any needs on offense, and no apparent ones on defense. Mays is pretty good value here, as he could show some versatility at the next level. Dawkins is old, so this pick is justified. Denver could also go d-line here as well.

12. New York Jets: Dez Bryant, Wide Receiver, Oklahoma State

No real first round worthy needs other than wide out. Bryant can only help Sanchez down the road.

13. Miami Dolphins: Rolando McClain, Linebacker, Alabama

The Dolphins have to like this guy. McClain is considered by many, including myself to be the best backer in the draft. The 3-4 is his definite strength, and Miami happens to run a 3-4.

14. San Francisco 49ers: Terrance Cody, Defensive Tackle, Alabama

San Fran takes another Bama player off the board. Cody is a monster inside. Would be a perfect building block to add to a 49ers defense that already has some nice pieces in place.

15. Tennessee Titans: Arthur Jones, Defensive Tackle, Syracuse

The Titans defense found out first hand how big a loss a player like Haynesworth can be. Jones can come in and start quickly and get that defensive line back to its 2008 form.

16. Jacksonville Jaguars: Morgan Burnett, Safety, Georgia Tech

I'm a big fan of this kid. It looks right now as if the Jags will convert back to the 4-3 next season, so linebackers are no longer a need should that hold true. Burnett improves the secondary the second he steps on the field, and can generate turnovers, something the Jaguars have struggled with defensively this season.

17. Green Bay Packers: Charles Brown, Tackle, USC

This may be a reach, it may prove not to be. Brown is a great athlete, and those tackles quickly disappear off the board. The Packers have a great young QB in Aaron Rodgers, but need to get him some protection before his health insurance drops him. A young tackle could make this offense truly dangerous. 

18. Houston Texans: Marvin Austin, Defensive Tackle, UNC

The Texans are still searching for that defensive line lineup to make their defense respectable league wide. Austin is a nice tackle with a lot of potential once he maxes out.

19. New York Giants: Brandon Spikes, Linebacker, Florida

Once again this was an easy one. Spikes upgrades any defense he steps on the field with.

20. Baltimore Ravens: Kyle Wilson, Cornerback, Boise State

The Ravens grab a super athlete to add to the defensive backfield. An athlete like this can only benefit from playing in the same backfield as Ed Reed.

21. San Diego Chargers: Brandon LaFell, Wide Receiver, LSU

The Chargers are set to lose a lot of receivers, including their bona fide playmaker Vincent Jackson, if I'm not mistaken. They can't retain them all; a solid receiver like LaFell could play any receiver spot and fill the hole left by at least one receivers departure.

22. Arizona Cardinals: Sean Lee, Linebacker, Penn State

The Cards need some help at linebacker. Lee is a pretty solid player who could play quickly if he adds weight to his frame.

23. Seattle Seahawks(From Broncos): Lee Ziemba, Tackle, Auburn

The Seahawks have a battered and old offensive line. An athletic and smart tackle like Siemba could be a great asset to begin restructuring upfront.

24. Philadelphia Eagles: Sean Witherspoon, Linebacker, Missouri

For some reason when I think of this guy, I imagine him in an Eagles uniform. 

25. Atlanta Falcons: Carlos Dunlap, Defensive End, Florida

His rawness dropped him this far, but the Falcons could get a steal here.

26. Dallas Cowboys: Greg Jones, Linebacker, Michigan State

The Cowboys could use help in the middle of their defensive front four. Its not an immediate need, but will be. Greg Jones is another player who will shoot up draft boards in the months leading up to the draft if he declares.

27. New England Patriots: Trevard Lindley, Cornerback, Kentucky

The Pats could use some secondary aide. Lindley could be the best man coverage corner in the draft. His zone has been said to be much improved this year however.

28. Pittsburgh Steelers: Joe Haden, Cornerback, Florida

A team makes the playoffs, suddenly they want them another cornerback. Haden and Lindley could go the other way around as well, they are both elite players.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Josh Bynes, Linebacker, Auburn

Bynes can play all three linebacker positions(mainly Mike) and could help the Colts out in the middle. Has good speed for the Tampa 2.

30. Minnesota Vikings: Javier Arenas, Cornerback, Alabama

Call me crazy, but you can never have enough cornerbacks. Arenas is a solid tackler, much like Antoine Winfield. Arenas brings physicality to the nickel spot/dime spot. Plus he adds immense special teams value, as if they didn't already have enough of that with Percy Harvin.

31. Cincinnati Bengals: Greg Hardy, Defensive End, Ole Miss

A young defense on the rise such as the Bengals can never have enough defensive ends. Hardy is a great all around end when he is going full speed. Marvin Lewis seems like a guy who you have to reward with good performance to get him to respect you as a player. 

32. New Orleans Saints: Brian Price, Defensive Tackle, UCLA

The Saints losing Sedrick Ellis to nagging injuries showed them how vulnerable they are without him. They grab another gap shooting tackle who could penetrate backfields. The Saints could also look at Arrelious Benn here, because they have some needs at receiver...

 

 

 

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MLB to the Colts is a legit first round pick in the likely event they don’t sign Gary Brackett to a significantly long new contract.

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by shake n bake on Nov 11, 2009 9:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Guess

Thats one of the side effects of tying the first 15 picks at 1:30 in the morning… mistaking football players for whales.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 11, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

I kinda see a resemblance there…cousins, maybe?

by birds'n'raiders on Nov 11, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’d actually say it’s a pretty striking resemblence.

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by kaisertown on Nov 16, 2009 4:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Wilson, Brian Price, Javier Arenas, Josh Bines , Colt McCoy. None of these are really considered first round prospects.

I really don’t understand why you have Colt McCoy over Sam Bradford, and in the top 10. He has a weak arm, comes from a system, and hasn’t looked impressive so far.

I also think you have Ciron way too high.

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 11, 2009 9:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sam Bradford

Has a weak arm as well, I think the Seahawks would like McCoy as a prospect, and Im not a fan of Bradford, so I put him a little lower than most.

Just because they aren’t considered first round prospects now doesn’t mean they they won’t be come draft time. How often do players shoot up draft boards. I’m trying to simulate that.

Ciron is one of those said players. I think Singletary will like this tough run blocking tackle. God knows the 49ers need offensive line help.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 11, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But Bradford is better than McCoy at everything

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 12, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Everything

You can’t tell me that Bradford is more accurate than McCoy or is more mobile than McCoy. Arm strength is a weakness for both of them. I really don’t think one has a better overall skill set than the other at this point. All I know is I don’t want the Jags getting near either one of them in the first, when we have needs everywhere else.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you watch McCoy in a game, he isn’t near as accurate as his stats say. Bradford is more accurate

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 12, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

McCoy

Has had his bad games no doubt, but when he is on he is more accurate than Bradford.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the Spikes pick for the Gints

really can’t argue with it.

Tho, with guys like Dunlap and even Joe Haden still available, I think its not so easy.

Dunlap I’m not sure. Any dude who was a potential top 5 pick but would fall that far, I’d be skeptical. Size wise he seems like he can get a bit fatter and be a DT.

As for Haden…I really don’t see him dropping. Dude’s a shutdown corner who likes to hit like a safety. At worst he seems like Quentin Jammer. I think the Giants would take that.

But Spikes is hard to argue with. MLB, or even if they switch him to SLB or WLB…he’s just too big and fast to pass up. Nasty dude it seems too…we’ve been waiting for the next LT or Armstead to come along.

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Word

I debated over Haden, but gave that pick an easy label simply because Spikes just seems perfect for the Giants. Dunlap seems possible as well, but the Giants are set at defensive end for the time being. Am I the only one who thinks Spikes could start over Antonio Pierce?

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 11, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no ...you definitely are not the only one

..I mean the thing is AP is probably one of the smartest defenders in the game. But unlike even older LB’s like Ray Lewis who are also very smart…Pierce just doesn’t have the athleticism anymore (he really never did..but it was enough).

That’s the thing the Giants would miss. The D seems to have taken a step back as AP has taken a step back.

But when he’s not on the field…you definitely can tell cuz he just seems to know what he’s doing, he just doesn’t have the physical ability to get there.

He’s be an excellet teacher for Spikes, but I think AP is too prideful of a guy (probably to a fault) to just stay on as a tutor for his replacement.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 11, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Watching Pierce

On the T.V. he just looks like he’s moving at a glaciers pace. I remember him having Brian Westbrook in man last season. I know he is a running back and all, but its not like Westbrook is a speedster. Pierce just got walked away from. I’m sure there is no way you can put him in man coverage.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 11, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well its not that Westbrook thing...

I don’t think there’s many LB’s in the game, any LB, that can stay with Westbrook, especially isolated on that play.

Pierce should not have been on Westbrook on that play…but that’s besides the point.

The real problem is he can’t shed blocks anymore. I don’t see him being the first one on tackles anymore, or roaming sideline to sideline like a MLB is supposed to.

He’s not a tackling machine anymore, and that’s why his day are numbered.

I hate to say it too, cuz he’s one of my favorites, but he just may be shot.

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 11, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats A Problem

If you can’t shed blocks. Ha. Thats the only Giants game I’ve seen in awhile, and that was just an example. Spikes seems perfect. Hardworker too, someone Coughlin would like.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 11, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I see Spikes as a 30 front ILB or...

… a 40 front SLB. I view him similarly to Rey Maualuga: love the play, not going to cut it at 4-3 MLB because they’re both a step slow for the position. 4-3 SLB or 3-4 ILB, perfect fits.

by Der Jaeger on Nov 12, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maualuga

Really was a step too slow. Spikes has the speed to play in the middle. I think he would make a great Sam though in a front full of thumpers.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Spikes is a downhill type of guy, who makes plays in front of him. I don’t thinks he’s MLB material dropping into coverage or moving in the zone.

by Der Jaeger on Nov 12, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He Could Play Mike

In a 46 style defense for sure, but he’d have to prove himself in another, I agree. I think he’s a good pick regardless of what he ends up playing. If he doesn’t work out in the middle, he’d make a hell of a SAM.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 13, 2009 4:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

O..

like the draft too.

Kyle Wilson is a freak of nature and could skyrocket up the charts.

Bynes seems like a Indy pick. Someone under the radar…yet, he’s gonna be good simply cuz the Colts just know what they are doing in the draft.

Arenas too. Agree with the WInfield comparison too. Not sure he’s got that mean streak in him like Winfield, but not a bad tutor for him.

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 11, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bynes

Nobody really talks about him, but thats the same for every Indy pick. They call the guys name and half of football fans say “What”, but within two years the guy is a household name.

Arenas can hit like Winfield can. And like you said Winfield would have no problem taking a guy so similar to him under his wing.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In the 3-4

You can never have enough linebackers. Jaguars learned that in trying to switch to it. Where do the Cowboys have any other huge needs?

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 11, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We also have Bobby Carpenter, Bradie James, and Brooking has at least 2 or 3 good years left in the tank

Cowboys don’t have a lot of huge needs, but they could always use a traditional backup Nose tackle.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 12, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He has to give you SOME position. And there weren’t really any good NT on the board at your pick

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 12, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe like a top flight center we could develop so we won't have to resign Gurode in 3 years

Or a tackle just in case Doug Free doesn’t live up to the hype. Someone like Cirron black who can also play guard if Free really is what the coaches hype him to be. Black reminds me of a shorter version of Flo, minus the penalties.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 12, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

Jason Williams may have potential, but I’m sure the team doesn’t turn down a great inside backer like Jones when the guy who is destined to replace Keith Brooking is a third rounder special teamer. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket…

I’m sure you said the same thing when Bobby Carpenter was drafted.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 11, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Hardy is available

I think Dallas would take him before taking another MLB, with Spears heading to Free Agency after this year

Grab Some Pine Meat!

by Gobroks on Nov 12, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Planning on playing what?

My guess would have to be rush linebacker. Hardy seems more like a 4-3 guy to me.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 5:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When Bobby Carpenter was drafted we though he would be an OLB

but he was moved inside when Wade was hired and only contributes as a nickel linebacker. Anyhow we have plenty of ILBs

by quincyyyyy on Nov 12, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

drafting someone...

and them actually being any good are 2 different things.

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 11, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you said "ahem they just drafted Jason Williams"

…like that really matters if a better prospect would fall to them in the draft.

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They have had time to evaluate him by now through preseason and training camp

and practice during the regular season. It would be presumptuous to saying that he would be significantly better than Jason Williams.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 12, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Game or nothing dude

Jags learned that the hard way last season. Supposedly Jerry Porter was going to finally make the Jaguars offense explosive in more than one way. 11 catches and millions later our heads are still spinning…

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First off..

my bad, cuz I was mixing him up mix Brandon Williams, the other “Williams” from your draft class this year.

I was trying to say a guy on IR is hardly something as a “sure thing” going forward, so that’s why I was trying to say that just cuz you got so and so doesn’t mean you can’t draft again.

Even so, Jason hasn’t really saw the field much this year anyway. SO if there was another prospect out there that was BPA…and you say there’s no needs…competition is always a need, especially for a guy who at this point doesn’t have a prominent role.

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well as a rookie he is not going to beat out Bradie James and Keith Brooking

And even though Carpenter is bad on the first two downs. He is a good coverage/nickel linebacker. Williams is basically developing behind Brooking whenever he runs out of gas.

Furthermore, nobody we could draft there would be more physically talented than Jason Wiliams. He is very strong, runs the forty in 4.49, 39’ vertical, a 10’09 broad jump, and is built like Ray Lewis. The guy is a physical freak.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 12, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As you know,

I like Morgan Burnett aka Donovin Darius.

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by TheTealDeal on Nov 12, 2009 9:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Word

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For Lions fans, "according to plan" means drafting ahead of anyone else that needs a DT and after Okung is taken.

I would prefer that we pick our LT up in the second round. ie. Jason Fox or Anthony Davis

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 12, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'll keep that in mind

I’m going to do a two round mock sometime next week.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see McCoy climbing into round 1 but top 10 to me is iffy.

I’m not going to argue that Ciron Black can move up but to me top 10 is a reach.

I don’t know if Miami passes on Cody. Ferguson is aging and going to be a free agent. Although it’s hard to argue with McClain.

I can’t see Sean Lee going in round 1 with his injury history. Nice talent with a nice chance of being on the IR every year.

The reason you think of Witherspoon in an Eagles uniform is because he wears one. Will Witherspoon plays for the Eagles. It’s Weatherspoon ;)

I love Greg Jones, I do. But I’m having trouble seeing him play in a 3-4 D he is scrawny.

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by tj.hendricks on Nov 12, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Cirron black is a mauler but he doesn’t have the feet that Jason Smith has that will keep him out of the top ten and probably 20.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 12, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andre Smith

Didn’t have great feet either. 6th overall

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andre Smith's only problem was being an idiot at the combine...

or else he was going #1 overall (or at least the first OT off the board to the Rams)

Ciron Black can’t pass block for his life. See all the imprints of Jaret Lee and Jordan Jefferson in the turf from LSU games…..

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

But before that people said he didn’t have the best feet. I’m not saying he had bad feet, but they weren’t considered to be great. I see what your saying after watching some old LSU games I had recorded. He struggles in pass protection. I bet he’d make a hell of a right tackle though.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 14, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea no doubt...

tho, while I think he’s backing up as the RT with Cincy right now, that the Bengals still think of Andre Smith as a LT in the future.

I don’t think Ciron Black will have a future as a LT. RT? Probably and maybe a pretty good one too.

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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He isnt really backing up someone, he has just has been hurt

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 15, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aight

We’ll see what happens with both McCoy and Black. Both could really go up boards with good combines.

McClain is the best linebacker in the draft, Miami wouldn’t pass on him. Good nose tackles are always available in the second and third.

I have Sean Lee going to the Cardinals, who could really benefit from an athlete such as him. When have the Cardinals ever hesitated on injury prone players. Anquan Boldin and Beanie Wells… both injury prone in college, especially Boldin.

The reason you think of Witherspoon in an Eagles uniform is because he wears one. Will Witherspoon plays for the Eagles.

No shit, I know my NFL players. The reason I think of WEATHERspoon in an Eagles uniform is because of his playing style. He’s not huge, just like the rest of the Eagles defense, but he plays sideline to sideline, and has nice speed. All of that is identical to the Eagles as a whole.

Jones has a whole year to bulk up and add muscle. He could play right inside backer in a 3-4 front. He would have to shed more blocks in a 4-3.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 12, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree McCoy and Black could move back up but at the same time their stock has taken a really big hit this year. Before the year they were top 15 locks.

I agree McClain is the best LB in the draft but I can’t say that means Miami wouldn’t pass on him.

Boldin was a 2nd round pick if you had Lee going in round 2, I wouldn’t argue with that. Round 1 seems a bit high.

Relax and the Witherspoon/Weatherspoon I threw in a ;) which means it was a joke.

I agree Jones can bulk up I just can’t see it. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen, doesn’t mean it can’t happen, just means maybe I’m blind I can’t see it.

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by tj.hendricks on Nov 13, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mays does sound like good value (and he reminds me of Steve Atwater and Dennis Smith), but he reminds me of Rey Maualuga.

In a bad way. And someone of Rey’s reckless, inconsistent style just doesn’t interest the Broncos (they were “supposed” to take him with their first pick, but ended up passing on him three times, trading up to the spot before the Bengals’ 2nd round pick – which they’d use on Rey – for Alphonso Smith).

They also drafted two safeties in the 2009 draft, Darcel McBath (who played well amongst the starters when Dawkins got injured) and David Bruton (a special teams star right now).

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by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 13, 2009 12:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Then

What are the Broncos needs? I’d assume just defensive line.

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by Bestjagfan on Nov 13, 2009 4:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought their needs were D-line, interior 0-line, and ILB. Some people (including me) would say QB

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 13, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DE, specifically. The NT spot is pretty set.

They’ll likely be looking at cornerback and (especially) the interior OL. LILB, too, possibly (a run-stopper).

(And forget that comment about a QB. Not in the early rounds, anyway. Sheesh.)

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 13, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Word

I just don’t see the quarterback talk. Orton isn’t a game breaker, but he sure as hell can manage and make some plays.

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-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Nov 13, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a good quarterback.

And he does what a good quarterback does when he has a solid O-line and playmakers at WR and RB; play extremely well.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 14, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he played EXTREMELY well, then the Broncos would have won their last two games. Orton is average.

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 14, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats All Im Sayin

No gamebreaking ability, but he’s good enough.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Nov 14, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If they want to reach the AFC Championship, they need to be considering a new guy

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 14, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like Jay Cutler?

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 14, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did I say perfect?

He’s won 6 out of 8 games. That’s good enough for me, but maybe you have different standards.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 14, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wins are a bad stat for evaluating QBs, and anyway I would say the Broncos are 6-2 in spite of Orton

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 14, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really.

They’re the first thing I look at. Just check out Jay Cutler (hate to trot him out, but he’s a good example). He passes for nearly 400 yards and still gets blown out. Good quarterbacks are leaders and find ways to win.

But, hey, ya want stats? Go watch the New England game and tell me the Broncos won in spite of Orton. 330 yards and a 73% completion percentage. And all he does is go 98 yards to send the game into overtime and an eventual win. And he gets to be the AFC Offensive Player of the Week for that.

I’ll give you the Baltimore game (and every quarterback has a bad game), but come on, in spite of Orton…? Riiiiiiiiiight… What’s so difficult about saying he’s good? No one’s calling him the next Montana, just good.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

by Tempestuous Binary on Nov 14, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wins are a bad stat?

well…coming from a Notre Damn and Browns fan….I can see that.

…no, Wins are most definitely a good stat for evaluating a QB.

No team, save for maybe the Steelers in Ben’s rook year, maybe Dilfer’s SB year..does a team win in spite of its QB.

Cuz no team runs 100% of the time. Your QB has to make plays and can’t hurt the team.

Orton’s done that so far except for the last 2 losses.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and that's a big maybe on the SB Big Ben year

and the Dilfer year, cuz I doubt those teams won “in spite” of their QB. Those guys made plays and you’d be a fool to not realize that they did.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 14, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well coming from a Giants fan… I can see that.

Teams win, not QBs.

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 15, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

..coming from a non-giants fan...

I can see why you say that (..p.s., the Giants running game blew during the SB run..how you think we scored points. And if you answered defensive TD’s..you’d be wrong).

And yes, teams do win SB’s, not QB’s. They are the most important part and you don’t win if your QB sucks.

…and yea, Grossman helped the Bears get to the SB. If he was horrible he would have not played.

For that one year, Grossman was good enough.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 15, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah right
Teams win, not QBs.

If the team wins it why has’t won a ring with Jackson?

by Steel in FL on Nov 15, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can you type a sentence that makes sense, please.

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 15, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay I'll try

If the Team wins the game not the QB then the Vikings under Tavaris Jackson should have won more games. Give them a good QB and the Vikings are 8-1

by Steel in FL on Nov 15, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, here is a counterexample.

What if Philip Rivers played for the Lions? He would have a lot less wins, but would that make him a worse QB?

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 15, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Rivers played for the Lions

The Lions would have a much better recored because he has the ability and the experience to lead them to victory. Rivers to Johnson would win more games than Stafford to Johnson would right now.

by Steel in FL on Nov 16, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He would still have less wins than he does in San Diego. Would that make him a worse QB?

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 16, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he had the same number of wins as the Lions....

people couldn’t care less about Phillip Rivers.

Yet, if he’s on the Lions, they might have less wins than the Chargers, but the Lions are a better team and may even contend.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 16, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You still haven’t answered my question, if he has less wins is he a worse QB?

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 16, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 17, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So I just found the flaw in your system

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 17, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No one would care about Phillip Rivers...

if he was drafted on the Lions and still ended up 2-14 every year. No one would rate him in the top 5 or whatever the hell he’s rated as now. He’d be right in the middle or worse.

If you take THIS Phillip Rivers and put him on the Lions…he’s good for more wins

And what is the flaw?

If a QB sucks, his team won’t win. If he’s good and doesn’t lose the game, they win. Simple as that.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 17, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea...

cuz he didn’t do a damn thing. Every time he threw the ball he had an INT right?

The Defense scored all their TD’s and Jamal Lewis rushed for every single TD.

Got it.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 16, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he sucked

he got 10 points a game for them. Which was all they need. He made the plays to win the game.

by Steel in FL on Nov 16, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he sucked.

They don’t win the Super Bowl.

NEXT.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 16, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea...

cuz the defense and running game scored all the points.

Oh wait!!!

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 17, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So because Eli Manning wasn't a complete disaster

and was halfway competent, he is the reason that the Giants won the superbowl? Ha.

Scoring 17 points is not what I would call a brilliant offensive perform. Holding the prolific ’07 Patriot offense to 14 points is what I would call a brilliant performance.

The Giants passing offense was 21st in the league that year. And their rushing offense was 4th overall. That is the definition of a bus driver QB. Letting your run game and defense win games for you by not screwing up too much.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 17, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

regular season....

yes. That was the motto.

Playoffs? No, the running game was average.

Those 17 points…again, how do you think we got down and scored? No one ever likes to give the Patriots D any credit for being the beast that they were either, which is HA!..why they don’t, I don’t know.

Eli marched them down the field against the Bucs, the CowPies, Packers and Pats

17 points…yea. But the Pats D is not a pile of crap, they were elite too that year. Eli moved the ball at will on the scoring drives.

Again, how do you think they scored their points against all these teams?

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 18, 2009 7:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

17 points in against any team is a poor offensive performance

And according to football outsiders their weighted defense rank (meaning their earlier games in the year are weighted less) is 19. Hardly an elite defense by any measure.

“Eli moved the ball at will on scoring drivers.” Um yeah. That is by definition what a scoring drive is. roll eyes Anyhow, David Tyree made an incredible catch with his helmet on a wounded duck of a pass, so even on the scoring drives he didn’t play all that well.

Like I said Eli is a bus driver; he is not a good QB. A bus drivers can score points, but it was the running game and the defense that WON the games. I think anybody who watched your team that year understood that.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 18, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea....

actually those that actually watched the Giants playoff run know that the knock on Eli being a “bus driver” is a complete crock of shit.

IN THE PLAYOFSS…the running game did nothing. There were not defensive TD’s. Eli moved the ball. Mostly when they punted, it was cuz the running game didn’t do squat.

I love how the Tyree catch is always everyone’s cop out…whatever to that.

I don’t care what football outsiders ranks the NE defense. They were in the SB and they were very good.

17 points is 17 points. It won the game. Eli was the reason they scored 17 points, not the running game.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 18, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Um the Patriots were in the superbowl not because of

anything their defense did. It was because their offense was one of the best offensive units in maybe forever. Duh.

17 points in most football games equates to losing. That is a fact. The only reason why they won is because the defense had an amazing performance.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 18, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in the regular season...

yea.

In the playoffs, their defense held everyone to under 20 points.

Brady sure wasn’t the reason they beat SD that year either. The 12 points their defense let up was.

I know its hard for a Cowboy fan to admit…but if Eli Manning doesn’t play as good as he did, the Giants don’t win the SB.

You don’t believe that..well….w/e.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 18, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree if Eli didn't play as well as did

Giants wouldn’t have won. But he didn’t have to play like an elite QB to win that game, and he didn’t. As long as he didn’t throw multiple interceptions they were going to win the game because his defense held the patriots to 14 points.

by quincyyyyy on Nov 18, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

his offense scored 17 points

their defense was good enough for them to NOT score 17.

The defense played great. OF course they did. No SB winner doesn’t have a good defense.

No team in the SB gets in there cuz their defense isn’t good.

In no way did he just play “bus driver” in that game or throughout the playoffs.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 18, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Rex Grossman must be a good QB because he had his team in the superbowl.

by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 15, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good?

No.

Some QB’s can be good for a year tho. Ask Derek Anderson.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 15, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work, a couple of picks I don't like

I don’t see Colt McCoy going in the first round or maybe even the second or third round. He has too many flaws and not enough positives.

Ciron Black would be a massive reach. Dude just can’t pass block. He’s a guard or a right tackle at best.

I like most of the rest of it, although I don’t know much about some of the guys you have going in the 20’s.

by Brendan Scolari on Nov 13, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Bro

Not saying I would take Colt, but I can see some teams reaching for him.

Same goes for Ciron.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Nov 13, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bulaga or any LT works for Buffalo.

One thing to consider while passing over a QB is the coaching situation. Dick Jauron is a goner this offseason. He’s been the guy with final say over roster moves for a few years now. Changes in the FO are very likely as well. How often do mediocre QBs like Edwards survive coaching changes? I’d be shocked if Edwards were still starting for the Bills in 2011 and just as shocked if a QB wasn’t a priority this offseason.

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by kaisertown on Nov 16, 2009 4:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

As a Chief Fan...

I see us taking a safey first, then OL in later rounds. Our OL, while not the best is starting to come around and figure out what a block is. Our dire need after our disasters is safety. We’ve given up 100yards recieving to almost a reciever a week. Mike Brown miss tackle after tackle in secondary leading to td’s (See Cowboys game, Miles Austin, Twice he Missed, once in overtime to give them the game) I’d go more towards Eric Berry than Russel Okung. Either way though, I’ll be happy. (Just happier with Berry)

See ya Later Larry Johnson, or now forever known as "2.7"

by KC Nate on Nov 25, 2009 2:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Zero RB's going in the 1st round?

Surely there is a couple teams with big needs at the RB position… I think C.J. Spiller will not get passed up in the 1st.

by Drew K on Nov 27, 2009 5:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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