Mockery of a Mock VOL.5
by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 3:15 AM EST
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Same as always, lots of underclassmen which may OR may not declare. I am fully aware that not all will enter the draft. I take pending free agents into account. I am fully aware that not all will leave their team. Draft order is based on updated standings not where I think they will finish . On to the mockery.
1. Buccaneers DT Ndamukong Suh Nebraska
They already have their QB of the future in Freeman so they look to Suh to anchor the DLine. Side note he just racked up $10,000 (rumored) in car damages by hitting three cars to miss a little fury creature.
2. Rams QB Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame***
They need their future signal caller. Could be between Clausen/Locker/Bradford. Shall be interesting.
3. Browns S Eric Berry Tennessee***
They could go Locker here, I was even thinking Okung. Him and Thomas together would be a great OLine. But went with Berry to help solidify that secondary.
4. Titans DT Gerald McCoy Oklahoma***
If VY can prove he is the future then they go elsewhere and it could start with McCoy who some like better than Suh.
5. Lions T Russell Okung Oklahoma St.
McCoy and Berry are the only others I could see them going and with them gone they protect their QB.
6. Chiefs WR Dez Bryant Oklahoma St.***
Not what they wanted to see with Okung gone. Haley gets a toy for his offense.
7. Raiders DE Carlos Dunlap Florida***
I wouldn't be surprised what they do. Watch for Jahvid Best here.
8. Redskins QB Jake Locker Washington***
They could go tackle due to Samuels. With a new coach I see Locker could be Bradford because Snyder loves to make a splash.
9. Seahawks QB Sam Bradford Oklahoma***
They need to replace Walter Jones but is Bradford too good to pass up here?
10. Bills T Bryan Bulaga Iowa***
I don't see Ralph Wilson spending top 10 money to a QB, therefore they go OLine.
11. Jaguars LB Rolando McClain Alabama***
I really don't know. Could be Tebow but they need to step up that pass rush. If they stay in the 34 D McClain will pay of immediately.
12. 49ers (CAR) DT Terrance Cody Alabama
Like Tennessee it's wait and see with Alex Smith. If he proves he is capable then I don't see QB here. IMO this is too high for Cody but with more teams running a 34 the NT position is at a premium. They take him here for fear the Dolphins will take him.
13. Dolphins LB Sergio Kindle Texas
They really need a WR but with Parcells in charge it will most likely be defense. With Cody gone they look for a pass rusher to replace their aging ones. This is probably a little high for Kindle but I just don't know what else to give them.
14. 49ers T Bruce Campbell Maryland***
Campbell and Staley could be a fine pair of tackles.
15. Jets WR Damian Williams USC***
They need one whether they resign Edwards or not.
16. Broncos (CHI) C Kris O'Dowd USC***
It's hard to gauge where a center might go. They could go with whoever is tops on their board.
17. Falcons DE Derrick Morgan Georgia Tech***
They need to add to the pass rush but maybe they go somewhere else on D in round 1. I'm not sure.
18. Chargers S Taylor Mays USC
They need a WR due to the ones hitting free agency but Mays is too good to pass up here. Weddle and Mays is a fine safety duo.
19. Packers T Trent Williams Oklahoma
They need OLine bad.
20. Ravens CB Joe Haden Florida***
Could go WR here but with the top rated corner in the draft available they snag him.
21. Cardinals T Charles Brown USC
Keep Warner alive.
22. Giants DT Arthur Jones Syracuse
They could go safety here in case Phillips doesn't fully recover. Jones would be a fine addition with two DT's hitting free agency.
23. Texans DT Marvin Austin North Carolina***
Could go corner in case Robinson leaves but Austin has more value at this pick.
24. Steelers S Morgan Burnett Georgia Tech***
I was leaning towards tackle due to the number of sacks being allowed but chose Burnett instead.
25. Bengals S Earl Thomas Texas***
Could go DE,DT, or Earl Thomas.
26. Cowboys T Anthony Davis Rutgers***
They could go WR here but they take Flozell's replacement instead.
27. Eagles LB Travis Lewis Oklahoma***
Even with the addition of Witherspoon they still need LB help.
28. Patriots LB Von Miller Texas A&M***
Their pass rush is lacking this year and Von Miller can help.
29. Seahawks(DEN) T Selvish Capers West Virginia
Maybe a bit of a reach maybe not but they need someone to replace Jones.
30. Vikings QB Ryan Mallett Arkansas***
If he comes out I don't expect him to fall this far some team will trade up and snag him.
31. Colts LB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
No tackle is worth this pick so they look to Weatherspoon.
32. Saints DE Everson Griffen USC***
I guess they go D. I would not be surprised if Dwyer is taken here.
33. Buccaneers DE Greg Hardy Ole Miss
Replaces the departed Gaines Adams.
34. Browns RB Jonathan Dwyer Georgia Tech***
No matter who is QB they need a better running game.
35. Rams TE Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma
I was really leaning towards Golden Tate here but a chance to get the best TE prospect is too good to pass up. Plus Clausen likes his TE's (Kyle Randolph).
36. Lions LB Brandon Spikes Florida
They go BPA and it is Spikes. He can be a leader on the defense.
37. Chiefs LB Eric Norwood South Carolina
They need to improve the pass rush. Could go tackle here.
38. Patriots(TEN) RB Jahvid Best California***
I can see them taking a RB and I can't see Best falling much further. Sounds like a match to me.
39. Raiders WR Arrelious Benn Illinois***
Al Davis likes fast.
40. Seahawks RB CJ Spiller Clemson
They already addressed two needs now Spiller can help the run game.
41. Redskins T Gabe Carimini Wisconsin***
Since they passed on a tackle in round 1 they look for one here.
42. Bills WR Brandon LaFell LSU
TO will be gone and we're still unsure if Hardy is a player.
43. Panthers QB Colt McCoy Texas
Delhomme is not that good anymore.
44. Dolphins WR Golden Tate Notre Dame***
Henne to Tate for years to come.
45. 49ers LB Jason Pierre Paul South Florida***
I was leaning towards a CB here but decided JPP was good value here.
46. Patriots (JAX) G Mike Johnson Alabama
Two free agent guards so they could need a replacement.
47. Jets DE Lawrence Marsh Florida***
I know Marsh has the size to play 34 DE.
48. Chiefs (ATL) T Ciron Black LSU
Since they added a pass rusher they go to the line.
49. Chargers WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas***
Since they passed in round 1 they grab one here.
50. Packers LB Jerry Hughes TCU
They went tackle in round 1 now they replace Kampmann.
51. Ravens WR Demaryius Thomas Georgia Tech***
Same as the Chargers.
52. Buccaneers (CHI) LB Greg Jones Michigan St.***
He should go higher but it was a run of 34 D's.
53. Cardinals CB Ras-I Dowling Virginia***
They are giving up some passing yards and Dowling can start next to DRC right away.
54. Giants S Reshad Jones Georgia***
In case Phillips doesn't recover fully.
55. Texans CB Donovan Warren Michigan***
Since they went DT in round 1 they address corner now.
56. Steelers CB Patrick Robinson Florida St.
Deshea Townsend replacement.
57. Bengals DT Brian Price UCLA***
Could go much much higher but like G.Jones there was a run of 34 D's that dropped him.
58. Cowboys DT Phil Taylor Baylor***
It's either Taylor or Oghobaase. If they go Taylor they can move Ratliff to DE.
59. Eagles DE Brandon Graham Michigan
Could go higher but some questions if he can play OLB in a 34 could drop him.
60. Patriots DE Vince Oghobaase Duke
I don't know.
61. Broncos DE Jared Odrick Penn St.
I wouldn't be surprised if Odrick rose up the draft boards after workouts.
62. Vikings CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
Should go higher and the Vikings are pleased to take him here.
63. Colts T Sam Young Notre Dame
If they go tackle in round 1 this changes.
64. Saints LB Navorro Bowman Penn St.***
First round talent but some character issues could drop him.
65. Buccaneers T Nate Solder Colorado***
Can they keep their two young free agent tackles?
66. Rams CB Javier Arenas Alabama
They need help in the secondary.
67. Browns DE Cory Wooton Northwestern
A good fit for the 34 if he can put on 10 more lbs.
68. Chiefs CB Kareem Jackson Alabama***
Don't know what direction they go in now.
69. Titans S Chad Jones LSU***
Definately deserves to go higher.
70. Lions DE Cameron Heyward Ohio St.***
Could go higher and the Lions are looking like the draft winners so far why do they have to be in my division.
71. Raiders LB Rennie Curran Georgia***
I don't know. Trindon Holliday and Brandon James are options too.
72. REDSKINS DE JEREMY JARMON KENTUCKY
Redskins used this pick in the supplemental draft.
73. Eagles (SEA) TE Anthony McCoy USC
Another weapon for McNabb.
74. Bills QB Jevan Snead Ole Miss***
Does he come out? Does he fall this far? Is this too early for him? Have I asked enough questions?
75. Dolphins TE Rob Gronkowski Arizona***
Fasano is a free agent this is insurance in case he leaves.
76. 49ers CB Alterraun Verner UCLA
Helping out the secondary.
77. Jaguars QB Tim Tebow Florida
If he falls this far. I could see him dropping to round 2 and Jags trading up to get him.
78. Panthers WR Danario Alexander Missouri
Can replace Mushin Muhammed. Now they just need to make Steve Smith happy.
79. Browns (NYJ) QB Tony Pike Cincinnati
This can change if they go QB in rounds 1 or 2.
80. Chargers LB George Selvie South Florida
Could Merriman be out the door?
81. Packers CB Crezdon Butler Clemson
Their corners are aging.
82. Ravens LB Micah Johnson Kentucky
I don't know. I suppose they could look at tackle with Gaither being a RFA.
83. Bears T Tony Washington Abilene Christian
I really think they go OLine with some comments made by the front office. But with Jerry Angelo in charge we probably trade this pick.
84. Falcons LB Michael Morgan USC***
Doubt Morgan falls this far but the Falcons will be pleased.
85. Cardinals TE Aaron Hernandez Florida***
They got some free agents at that position this year.
86. Giants DE Thaddeus Gibson Ohio St.***
BPA. He can rush the passer and that is something that has always interested the Giants.
87. Texans S Major Wright Florida***
Doubt he falls this far if he comes out.
88. Steelers T Jason Fox Miami
I considered tackle in round 1. They have to take one by now.
89. Bengals DE Greg Romeus Pittsburgh***
They passed on DE the past two rounds.
90. Cowboys WR Mardy Gilyard Cincinnati
Another shifty receiver for Romo to throw to.
91. Eagles T Adam Ulatoski Texas
I don't know.
92. Raiders (NE) RB Joe McKnight USC***
He's fast.
93. Broncos G Mike Iupati Idaho
They have some free agent guards.
94. Vikings DT Demarcus Granger Oklahoma
He will replace Pat Williams.
95. Colts DT Geno Atkins Georgia
I'm tired and my leg hurts so Atkins it is.
96. Saints S Deunta Williams North Carolina***
Don't know if he falls this far. What a potentially awesome safety class if these underclassmen declare.
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McClain
I’d take him all day. I thought our linebackers were set in stone, but after this past weekend, I’m beginning to think a new backer or two wouldn’t hurt us…
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by Bestjagfan on Nov 3, 2009 5:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Competition would be good
Mcclain, Burnett, or T. Cody would be fine in my book for 1st round. In the third round i’d think it would be incredibly a smart financial and draft move to wait on Tebow to fall as far as you think he can. If Tebow happens to get picked up before our third, then i’d get Tony Pike or wait till the 4th and get QB Hiller or Lefevour or as bestjagsfan would want, Thad Lewis.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 3, 2009 7:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard picking for Jacksonville without knowing 100% what D they are going to run. I will also admit I have yet to see Jacksonville play this year, I do know they are in the bottom of sacks but in a 3-4 Groves and Harvey would be playing OLB so I decided to go with McClain.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll take anyone with a pulse for Defense.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McClain
Can tackle, so we’ll take him. Made me sick watching that track star Chris Johnson tear up our highly ranked run defense.
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by Bestjagfan on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A reliable tackler is so needed in our defense
Reggie Nelson, Mathis love pushing people to the ground or out of bounds.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 4, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Witherspoon can handle the middle in a Tampa-2 he's a pick I like
RT in round 2 is good.
Don’t think the Colts are really in need of a DT for once, but it’s the 3rd round and the 2 big problem spots have already been hit.
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by shake n bake on Nov 3, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Weatherspoon
is not built for the middle. Doesn’t matter what scheme, he is an OLB. He could be a SLB in a Tampa 2, but for all intents and purposes, he is a 4-3 WLB
by birds'n'raiders on Nov 3, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then I don't think Indy is likely to take him
Since they installed the Tampa-2 in 2002, they haven’t spent a pick before the 3rd round on an OLB and have only had one season with any OLB making over 1mil a year, and it’s gotten even easier for the Colts to not pay their OLBs with the 3-4 in vogue and the T-2 decidedly not. They brought back two former starters at the league minimum for this year.
Obviously he’s a talented guy who could fit into the scheme, but I think he’s likely to get passed up for another player, at a position Indy needs more or is more willing to pay at.
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by shake n bake on Nov 3, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see him playing MLB. I don’t think he is IDEAL for it but I think he could play it. He does nice in coverage and is a good playmaker against the pass. I think he could do good in the T-2. I just saw him slip there and figured the Colts would get a steal. They would really be reaching for a tackle at that spot.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I'll have to watch him myself
because he sounds intriguing and a replacement or heir for Brackett would be good to have.
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by shake n bake on Nov 3, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shake
what do you think of the prospects of a corner in the first? I know we have great, young depth, but given the injury situation and the unlikely return of Jackson (isnt jennings contract also up?) I wouldnt be surprised to see the Colts taking a corner in the early rounds if that is the BPA on the board.
by metal_militia on Nov 7, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody please explain why the Cardinals need another CB?
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by Bezekira on Nov 3, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
They only have two that are any good?
And even then it’s not like DRC or McFadden are studs.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 3, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they rank in the lower half in pass yards givin up and while DRC is going to be good he could use some help and Dowling at that point is good value.
Why don’t they need one?
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McFadden is on the books for 5 mil a season this year and next
he’s at least average if not slightly above so they don’t need a guy to start next season.
Greg Toler is their young guy in the system. He’s a fourth round pick from last year that they raved about in camp and played some in the fourth quarter against the Giants. He’s got DRC-athleticism but is very raw. Still though the staff was raving about him in camp and most thought that he looked more advanced than they expected.
I’m not saying that they won’t draft a corner at all but there are much, much bigger needs.
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by Bezekira on Nov 3, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With no salary cap next year McFadden could be cut with no cap hit. Not saying it will happen, I don’t know how much they like him. But some players who are being paid more than they should could be cut.
Maybe the Cardinals do love the shit out of Toler and I know it’s a different team so different circumstances but the Bears were raving about Marcus Freeman during camp even mentioning he had the potential to start as a rookie what happened? We cut him. I’ve yet to hear a coach say that damn 4th round pick sucks ass get rid of him. Doesn’t happen they love everyone.
You don’t see being in the bottom of the league in passing defense as bad?
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A terrible pass defense doesn’t always mean that the cornerbacks are terrible.
Their pass rush isn’t great and at least half of their secondary is relatively young. DRC is still very much a work in progress, Rolle is still in just his second year as a safety and depth at both safety and corner is comprised of primarily young guys. I’m not saying that the Cardinals have a great secondary, I’m just saying that they have much bigger needs.
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by Bezekira on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would you say the other needs are? And does Dockett play Nose tackle for you guys?
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 4, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m aware that it isn’t just the secondaries fault for the pass defense but you’ve said OLB isn’t an area of need with the drafting of Cody Brown last year. You have previously stated that Watson or Branch (I forget which one) was doing fine at NT. I could be wrong but Campbell and Dockett are decent DE’s in the 34 so then what needs to be fixed? Nothing?
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 4, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Brown on the practice squad because I don’t see him on the depth chart?
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 5, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When did I ever say that OLB wasn't a need?
I’m pretty sure I’ve stated that OLB and ILB was our primary need in just about every single thread.
I’m also going to need a refresher course in when I said that Watson or Branch (who isn’t even playing NT anymore) were doing fine at NT. Considering that Watson still hasn’t reclaimed the starting job from Bryan Robinson (who isn’t even a true nose tackle), the best we can say about our NT spot is that we have several options who could claim the starting job in the future.
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by Bezekira on Nov 6, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry you’re the most responsive Cardinal insider on this site. But some of those things came from another guy. You have been saying there is a need for OLB. I apologize. However there was this on the NT.
As for defensive tackle, that’s a possibility but it could go either way. They’ve got two young guys (Watson and Branch) would are under the team’s control for a while
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 6, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea true, I can feel myself flip-floping on the NT spot
Watson has the size and ability to play but hasn’t re-won the job since his fractured knee cap. Branch has both as well but hasn’t even gotten close to living up to his potential. He’s starting showing some glimpses of becoming a true player in the past several games but he’s been playing DE during that time.
Ideally one of those guys (who are both 26 or younger and both have the ability to become starting NT) would eventually take over the starting job but at best it’s probably a crap shoot. Maybe my opinion changes each week and since we got absolutely gashed by Carolina last week I was down on everyone. Either way I could see them taking a flier on a guy in the middle to late rounds on a NT but not an early round pick.
Question…..if Baylor’s big NT/DT (Taylor I think) comes out where would he get drafted?
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by Bezekira on Nov 7, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice mock
just some notes…
If the Titans still believe in VY, it will only be because he wins games for the rest of the year. If he wins games, they will not draft that high, visa-vi, no soup McCoy for them, because they will pick in the teens.
Bryan Bulaga has not played like a top ten pick. I have him at a late 20’s grade, and that’s being generous.
I agree, someone is gonna reach the shit outta Mount Cody, but a NT is a NT, and that’s a rare thing…
Sergio Kindle is a 2nd round prospect.
I appreciate that you have Taylor Mays falling…looks like I’m not alone
You really rate Von Miller over Greg Hardy, Brandon Graham, Jerry Hughes, Eric Norwood, and Ricky Sapp?
Love that you give the Saints Everson Griffen.
Raiders do not need a WR…I know, this is a shock to the rest of the world, but they have a few good young prospects
Dezmon Briscoe is ssssslowww as hellllllllll. Not a 2nd rounder. More like a 4th or 5th.
I love Hughes to the Packers
The Chiefs need 3-4 front 7 pieces a lot more than a CB.
Eagles don’t need Ulatowksi. Give us Deunta Williams there, or any good ILB/SLB still on the board. Or even a big WR or big CB if there are any you can think of.
by birds'n'raiders on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As I said in the beginning the order is based off of current standings not where I believe they finish. If the owner wants to keep VY he will whether he wins or not.
I agree it is high for Bulaga you either love him or don’t. I do believe there is going to be a big run on tackles this year.
It’s hard to get a read on Kindle this year, he played alot better as an OLB last year. Parcells usually goes D in round 1 and I don’t really know which way they would go but with Taylor and Porter getting up their in age they could reach.
I don’t even know if Mays will fall I just couldn’t really find a fit.
Some say Greg Hardy and Brandon Graham aren’t OLB in a 34. I have Miller and Norwood virtually even.
I honestly don’t know with the Raiders to try and guess what is going on in Al Davis head is crazy. It was more of ajoke than anything all we know is he loves speed.
Dez Briscoe maybe a little high in round 2 but he goes before 4 or 5.
As for the Chiefs I know they need help in the front 7 but honestly I’m not a 34 guru. It’s too hard to say a guy can play 34 DE or he can transition to a 34 OLB. For every Demarcus Ware that pans out there is a Vernon Gholston who is better suited to be a 43 DE.
I didn’t know for the Eagles but Andrews is starting to rack up the injuries so I figured why not.
Thanks for the reply
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with Bulaga's play you have to consider that he's recovering from a thyroid issue that got him hospitalized
and cost him multiple games.
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by shake n bake on Nov 3, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m aware of that, as Bruce Campbell has missed time due to injuries as well yet some still put him high. I think they go higher then a Trent Williams and possibaly Charles Brown they are arguably the #2 and #3 tackles in the draft right now.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 4, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most scouting reports have T. Williams as a Right Tackle only.
Based on his level of play as an LT this year.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I was talking to birds'n'raiders, since he wasn't impressed by Bulaga's play so far this year
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by shake n bake on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Britt ran a 4.56
Brian Robiskie ran a 4.59
Hakeem Nicks ran a 4.65
Ramses Barden ran a 4.68
Juoquin Iglesias 4.54
Mohammed Massaquoi 4.66
Derrick Williams 4.68
all taken higher than round 4, I’ve read that Briscoe runs a 4.56 if that is true his speed shouldn’t drop him to round 4.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 5, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SF QB
A lot of people are forgetting SF took Nate Davis last year. They think he could be their QB of the future after a couple of seasons riding the bench.
by Zorak84 on Nov 3, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I remember they have Nate Davis
But to say he is the future is up for question he was a 5th round pick. He might pan out he might not.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith has looked decent so far
definitely a lot better than before. He has good chemistry with Crabtree and Vernon Davis.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 3, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea. I think the 49ers are gonna be a team to watch for in the future
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 4, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the Lions taking Spikes in Round # 2
I think Ras I Dowling or Reshad Jones or one of the other available corners [Kyle Wilson, Donovan Warren, Javier Arenas] here or one of the many defensive linemen [Price, JPP for instance] that might go here.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 3, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn’t be happy with Brandon Spikes in round 2? I was thinking of Brian Price but thought Spikes value was too great there.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know the Lions are all about BPA now, but they passed on Lauriniatis and ReyMa in 2009.
It is a possibility, depending on what happens with Foote and Peterson this off season. I just see a lot of options when the Lions pick so early in the second round.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 4, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you are saying however using that logic
They passed on Darius Butler, Alphonso Smith, Jairus Byrd, and Sean Smith last year as well so why would they go CB?
They passed on Everette Brown, Connor Barwin, Ron Brace, Fili Moala, Paul Kruger, last year so why go DL there?
They passed on every position last year
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 4, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They picked a safety at # 33, Delmas.
None of those CBs or DLs were available when they picked in the third round.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 8:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They passed on Laurinitis and Mauluga in round 2
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 5, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am saying that in the second round, pick #33, the Lions felt that Delmas was the best value on the board passing on all those guys you listed.
By the time of their next pick, they took D. Levy, a linebacker, and all those guys you listed were gone. So even before they had Larry Foote at MLB, they passed on two very highly thought of MLBs because they felt Delmas was better value for them.
I think, and rightly, that the Lions don’t place a lot of positional value on an MLB.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really really confused
You said no Spikes and mentioned some defensive backs and defensive lineman instead.
I ask why you say they passed on Laurinitis and Mauluga.
They also passed on some corners and defensive lineman last year as well.
I know they weren’t available in round 3 neither were Laurinitis and Mauluga.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 5, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I am having a hard time understanding your point.
By your logic, every team passes on every position except one at each pick.
At #33 in 2009 the Lions chose Delmas, a Safety, with all those guys you listed available. So, you could say they passed on them to choose Delmas, right?
By the time of their third round pick[s], all of those guys you listed were gone, right? So they did not pass on them that time.
I believe the Lions did not choose ReyMa or Lauraniatis at #33 because they did not value the MLB position that highly. Even though, at that point in time, they had no MLB on their roster. Unless you count Jordan Dizon, which nobody in their right mind would. Perhaps they already knew Larry Foote was going to become available and would fill the position for MLB. That is a possibility based on what happened later in the draft.
They did take D. Levy in the third round for linebacker depth and Sammie Lee Hill in the fourth round for a Defensive Tackle.
The Lions under Mayhew and Schwartz are collecting talent everywhere, but are still considering positional value. I just don’t think they think the MLB position carries much value. If a better safety or CB were available at #33 in 2009 they probably would have taken him instead of Delmas.
In short, I think the Lions go defence in the second round if they choose Okung in the first. The players with most value to Detroit in that spot will be in the secondary or linemen……..in my opinion.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 6, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I just totally misunderstood
With how I was reading it was the reason they won’t take Brandon Spikes is because they passed on Mauluga and Laurinitis. That is why I brought up the names of 2nd round picks that the Lions passed on at #33.
I misread, my bad.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 6, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem, I enjoy reading your mocks tjh, keep it up!
I do agree with you that Spikes would be very good value in the second round for some team. Just not the Lions, unless they cut Foote loose. Which I don’t see happening.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 7, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Raiders even consider Best?
They already are paying McFadden a ton and Michael Bush is a nice complement to him, RB is the one position I can’t see the Raiders going with.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 3, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have them taking Best? If I mentioned it it was being a joke Best is fast, Al Davis loves speed.
I have Best going to New England.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you didn't have them taking him, but you said
I wouldn’t be surprised what they do. Watch for Jahvid Best here.
It just seemed odd because the last thing they need is another running back. Sorry, wasn’t trying to be nitpicky.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 3, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was meant to be a joke
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JPP as a linebacker? I see him more as a Justin Tuck type player.
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 3, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
?
Try Jevon Kearse.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 3, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the titans taking chad jones in the 3rd round
by Thunder64 on Nov 3, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I dont see him lasting that long
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 3, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he lasts that long as well. It all depends on what safety underclassmen declare including himself.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 3, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course...
from teh same one who thinks the Titans have 4 first rounders.
Tho Chad Jones could drop to the third, but that’s mainly cuz he may end up waffling between Football and baseball (he’s possibly a top 20 pick in baseball…tho may drop in that cuz of football)
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 4, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
draft
i love the draft as a lions fan. Okung and Spikes would make a huge difference. lions could trade up to get javier arenas but if they stay in tht spot i like the draft.
by David7 on Nov 3, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like the 49ers picks
I don’t know anything about Campbell but they need all the help they can get at T. They definitely need depth at OLB and CB. Wouldn’t be surprised if they took a S.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Nov 3, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What they do by picking a CB is having the option to move Clemens to safety if he has lost a step in coverage which sometimes seems to be the case this year. I had them taking a CB as well but earlier.
I want me some Buster
by gbears16 on Nov 4, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt be surprised by the the niners taking any position on D besides ILB
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 4, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see them taking a ILB to team with Willis. Maybe not early unless someone falls but I can see it.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 4, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Spikes has another year in him and McKillop was a steal. And they have to many needs to draft an ILB in the first few rounds
by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 5, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it'd be a waste
The Ted linebacker only plays 60% of the snaps, compared to drafting an OT or a QB or a safety who will play all of the snaps it just seems like a terrible value, not to mention that Spikes is still playing well and McKillop is developing behind him. I hope they don’t go that route unless McClain/Spikes fell to the second, and even then I’m not sure.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 7, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is McKillop doing in SF?
I was beating the drum for him in Detroit. He seemed like a very good prospect at MLB.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 7, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's doing fine
He looked really good in preseason but hasn’t gotten too many opportunities so far in the regular season. He has played well on special teams and played like a half against the Texans when Spikes got hurt, but I haven’t gotten a chance to rewatch that game yet so I’m not sure how well he played.
by Brendan Scolari on Nov 7, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
I would be stoked if the Cowboys had that draft
by quincyyyyy on Nov 4, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In round 2
I had them taking a NT (Phil TaylorI) and thinking they could move Ratliff to DE do you think that is plausible? Or would a DE like Vince Oghobaase be better and keep Ratliff inside?
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 4, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is very plausible, Rat started off at DE
A lot of Cowboys fans want to move him back to DE and get a more traditional NT. Although I’m not sure the coaches share the same sentiment. Ratliff gives us another dimension at nose guard spot that most true NT’s don’t have.
Anyhow, it gives us flexibility in the draft. As a result I’m guessing whoever is the best player available, whether NT or DE, is who we’ll take. Me personally I’m partial to Jared Odrick. I watched him play last week and came away impressed. He has a good motor and plays the run and the pass well.
by quincyyyyy on Nov 5, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hendricks as much as we disagree I think you do a good job...
But you have to take a look at Iupati going higher then that and even Solder. Im not even gonna start to argue I just think you should do some research on them man. I maybe could see solder falling out of the 2nd because he is so tall and scouts might be worried about leverage but Iupati is a lock for the early 2nd.
OHANA!
by darwithabar on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what we disagree about we have never had a discussion about football it was about other petty stuff.
I do think Iupati will go higher it’s just hard to predict where interior lineman will go. Rarely they go in round 1 (even though 2 centers went last year) and it is even more difficult in my mock because I do include so many underclassmen. I have players going in round 3 that could easily be higher but do the numbers i have they drop.
Guards, centers, and kickers/punters are the hardest to say where they will be picked.
As of now I do believe it is a toss up between Mike Johnson and Iupati for best guard in the draft (Rodney Hudson can be in that discussion if he declares).
Draft guru in training.
by tj.hendricks on Nov 5, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eagles @ 27
I have doubts whether or not LB is a 1st round need after the witherspoon trade but can at least see it as an outside chance. Not at WLB though, I think akeem jordan (the pride of james madison university) has played well there and could be witherspoons ultimate destination.
SLB (or MLB with Stew Bradley sliding over to SLB) makes alot more sense. Spikes??
by dt3 on Nov 6, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles have two LB’s under contract after the 2011 season Witherspoon and Joe Mays. I think any LB position is fine.
As a side note Akeem Jordan has along way to go to catch up to Charles Haley (a personal favorite) as pride of James Madison University.
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by tj.hendricks on Nov 6, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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