Who do you think the steal of the draft will be?
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 12:24 AM EST
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Im just wondering what us "Mockers" consider to be the wleeper of this years class. Dont say Brandon Grahm because he is considered a 2nd round pick. Dont pick the obvious. Just for fun, Who do you think will contribute the most to his team after the 2nd round.
My Pick- Anthony Dixon RB Miss State- I think Anthony could be a starter with the right team. He was considered a very good talent but some off the feild questions will maybe hurt his stock.
Stats- 1391 yds on 257 attempts, and 12 TDs. He averages 5.4 yards per carry behind an average line in the SEC, The best defensive conference. 6'1 235 so he has good size. Teams I think could snatch him up are the Titans, Chiefs, Browns, or Seahawks. I think he has the potential to be have a Steve Slaton type season if he had a starting role. I know he isnt as fast but I think he could excell as a fred Jackson type back. It wont let me load his picture so here is a link.
www.unlockedsports.com/.../10/Anthony_Dixon.jpg
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I like Max Hall
QB out of BYU. I wouldn’t mind Carolina picking him up in the later rounds or even FA. Rusty Smith looks to be a good developmental guy as well.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Alot of Ints by Max Hall
but Ill give you that. I like rusty Smith alot.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I like Max Hall too
And the INTs can be worked on. I think that as a 4th or 5th rounder he’d be an excellent value for a team.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
I know your gonna make a Snead come back so ill respond now.
Snead plays in a harder conference and has a worse O line then Hall.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Armanti Edwards out of App state as a wildcat specialist. Dan Lefevour will be a pretty good starter one day. Marvin Austin if he comes out. Vince Oghobasse if he comes out. DeAndre McDaniel will be a good SS one day. Jordan Shipley will be a Wes Welker type guy. Mardy Gilyard will be a WR in the mould of Desean Jackson. Annnnnnnnnnnnd thats all I got.:(
by chinchillas sword on Dec 14, 2009 4:06 AM EST reply actions
Mardy Gilyard
should not be mentioned in the same article as DeSean, much less the same sentence.
DeSean ran an unofficial 4.28.
Gilyard is rumored to have run a 4.50
never again….NEVER. AGAIN.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
It should also be noted
that recently, DeSean ran a 40 at practice and it was a 4.27. That speed is there to stay.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Desean is Nasty
Really? That Punt return made me think of Dante Hall.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
that return
was like a cartoon or a video game.
I think I love DeSean…in a completely bro-to-bro way
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
He is a stud
I cant imagine what he will be like in his 4th year or even 5th year. I think he is the type of Player that only comes around every once in awhile. Look at Dante Hall, He could return the ball but wasnt a good wr, same as Hester. I think Jackson has Dante hall type ceiling for returning kicks, and a Steve Smith type WR skills. Definitly the biggest steal of that draft.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Javarris James, RB, The U
He’s shown flashes, but hasn’t been able to stay healthy. I think he’s definitely going to be a better pro than college player. He’s 6’0 tall, 215 Ibs with 4.8 speed, good hands out the back field and GREAT vision just like his cousin Edgerrian. And although he’s had tons of injuries in his four years at Miami, none were serious. If he could stay healthy, he could become a starting back at the pro level.
by JP 23 on Dec 14, 2009 7:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Anquan Boldin had 4.8 speed.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
that's pretty good.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't
Look that fast on T.V.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
either did Shaun Alexander....
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
But Shaun Alexander ran behind a great offensive line on a West Coast team that created nice running lanes. Didn’t do much after those guys in front of him made their way out of Seattle or got old.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Alexander was pretty good anyway...
he wasn’t a first round pick cuz someone wanted to get him rich quick.
(also…since the Giants picked Ron Dayne over him, since I wanted them to pick Alexander over Dayne….I’ve hated Shaun Alexander)…..
He would’ve been a good back anywhere…its just, too many damn carries took their toll, Walter Jones and Steve Huchinson aside.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm Saying
He wouldn’t have been an all-pro had it not been for that offensive line. Alexander would have been respectable, but I think it’s safe to say his team got him his major recognition.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Any RB wouldnt have done good behind that line.
Alexander was every bit as talented as Fred Taylor, LJ, or Deuce McCalister. I dont think he is AP, Chris Johnson good. But to give credit to the o line alone is way off.
Fred Taylor
Call me a Jags homer if you want, but he is in a different league than LJ and Deuce McCallister. And I didn’t say any running back could have been good, but an average back like Alexander was made an All-Pro by playing behind a great line, on a hot team. Fred could have been to at least 4 pro bowls had he not played on the up and down Jags during the early 00s.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I would call you a jags homer for that
Fred never could have made 4 pro bowls, He has only played all 16 games twice in his career. Taylor also had a very good o line, Boselli>Walter Jones. Taylor had one of the best WR tandems in the league taking the heat off of him. Fred Taylor may be better then Deuce, Although the stats tell a different tale, But he isnt touching SA or even LJ. Shaun Alexander set the single season TD record at one point, OP of the year, and MVP. No way he is better. The best RBs of the 2000s are as listed.
1. LT
2. Priest Holmes
3. Shaun Alexander
4. Marshall Faulk
The rest are a tier below, Fred Taylor, Deuce, LJ are all in that Tier.
You Gotta Do Your Homework
A little better than that bro. Larry Johnson has only played two full seasons in his career as well. Fred also has nearly double LJ’s rushing yards. Fred’s career average is better than LJ’s. Fred has more TDs than LJ. I think it’d be safe to say your just being a Kansas City homer.
Okay, you named the two left tackles in the offensive line debate, the two players least important to the running games. You could argue Boselli is better than Walter Jones, but he struggled through injuries, and was picked in the expansion draft by the Texans in 2002. Plus, Fred only played three seasons with him, so your argument there doesn’t hold water. The Seahawks line of Alexander’s time was one of the best of the decade. Even at that, Fred still has more yards and a better average than Alexander. The only place he has Fred is in touchdowns.
My list looks like this…
1. LT
2. Marshall Faulk
3. Fred Taylor
4. Priest Holmes
The rest are a tier below…
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I dont think LJ was one of the best of the decadwe
I hate LJ, But he scored more TD and More yards in a single season. Still, He is up there with Taylor. Taylor cant compare with the likes of LT, Priest Holmes, or Shaun Alexander.
Please, Frad Taylor over Priest Holmes, Thats crazy. Priest Holmes scored 27 TDs in one season. Fred Taylors career year was 1500 something yards. Priest Holmes has 3 seasons just as good, Taylor never matched that again. Taylor has less TDs in 3 more years. No way he is better then Holmes, You must be young.
Also, When I said he was in a group with LJ and Deuce, I ment Talent wise. Of Course if you compare LJs and Taylors career stats its lopsided. But Priest’s career was cut short by a roider.
Also, You must be young, The Jags O line was one of the best in the last 10 years easily. With Boselli and w/o him, That line compared with the hawks. Also, Walter Jones has his injury issues as well. Bottom line, Priest is better then Taylor. Priest is a 3 time All Pro, 3 time pro bowl, NFL offensive player of the year, and has a ring.
by darwithabar on Dec 25, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I am young. In fact, I’m in the ninth grade homey. Doesn’t mean I can’t argue football.
Sure, Priest had two good seasons. He also had an insane amount of carries; sure, thats not an insanely valid point, but its worth noting. More carries means more opportunities.
The NFL is about how long you can last, and Fred is still in his miracle race against father time. He still has a few years left. In the games he has played this season he has been explosive and quick.
No debate about LJ, good, cause I thought you were on crack comparing LJ to Fred.
I may fall in and say Priest and Fred are on the same level, but there is no way Priest was better.
Fred’s line wasn’t one of the best of the decade. When Coughlin was there it was a pass blocking line, and during Del Rio’s early days the line sucked. It hit it’s peak in 2006 and 2007, when Fred and Jones-Drew had great seasons each. 2008 the line blew, and now is in a rebuilding stage. The early 00s Seahawks line was miles ahead of the Jags early 00s line.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
??
Bettis not even mentioned? Must be a joke with Larry Johnson. He had 1 stellar and the rest were average to slightly above average seasons.
I guess we did forget Bettis
But he didnt rush for 1000 yds after 2001, Really cant give it to him. Also, I didnt put LJ in my list, I ment by Talent. The only reason I even pput Johnson on there is he ran for 1750+ 2 seasons in a row. I hate him, I dont know why even the biggest Chiefs homer would put him on there. Fred Taylor wasnt even a consistent starter for the Jags. Thats the only reason I wouldnt put him up there. Bettis Had his hay day in the 90s. If this was the all time list it would be alot different, Merry Christmas!
by darwithabar on Dec 25, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Bettis
Didn’t do anything in the 00s, except almost fumble away the Steelers chances in the AFC championship game.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
If Eric Berry is taken outside of the top 3...
…it’s him. To me, he’s unquestionably the #2 player in the draft other than Suh. He’ll be another Ronnie Lott or Ed Reed.
If you’re talking someone who’ll likely be taken in the mid-rounds, though, it has to be Jermaine Cunningham out of Florida. He has a motor that never stops.
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I didn't want to start a new thread with this question so I'll shoe-horn it in here since it's sorta on topic
Who are some cornerbacks in this draft who might be better suited at safety? It seems like there are more and more corners who are successfully making the switch and can be found in later rounds of the draft. Thoughts?
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Ras I Dowling is who Ive heard
I dont know who else might but Ive heard Kyle Wilson, but Idk if thats true.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
i dunno
he seems a lot like Sean Smith last year, who is now a very good lock-down CB. If I’m a team, I’d rather keep him at CB.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Which one?
I think you mean Wilson. I would agree, Although I dont think he is as good as Smith (Not saying you said that, Just saying) But he has the size to play FS. I dont know, Ive just heard that before.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I mean Dowling
Wilson is a CB through and through, no doubts about it
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Dowling will probably move to FS
He doesnt have blazing speed but he is physical. I thought you ment Wilson. Ive heard Wilson could play FS but IDK about it. Dowling is probably gonna play safety. Alot of people say he is a 1st round FS and a late 2nd round corner.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Sean Smith and Nnamdi Asamugha
both had the size to play S and lacked 4.4 speed, but both are lock-down CBs.
Something about Dowling doesn’t scream S either…he is a little lanky and thin
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
He is 6'2 200
Thats great size for a FS. He runs a 4.58 or something like that. I think he could play CB but he projects much better at Safety.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Sean Smith seems like a Safety to me too though
Alot of teams looked at Smith as one last year. It just depends on what team drafts him.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
But even Smith is faster then Dowling
Atleast by what I can find, Smith 4.5, Dowling 4.55 is the lowest
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
well
this is just a matter of semantics. He is an early 2nd round pick, and that’s what’s important (lol)
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'm saying
that he’d make a fine FS, but his natural position is at CB. I’d love to have him at FS, but in the long run, a CB is more important than a FS
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I agree his natural spot
but wouldnt you agree he lacks the speed to play CB at a pro bowl level? One thing I dont agree with is that CB is more important then FS. The Chiefs have very talented CBs overall but the Safety spot is so bad we cant stop Kyle Orton.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Myron Lewis
CB plasying at Vanderbilt, 6’-2", 205, 4.52 40
He is very versatile, and could potentially play FS.
by chrisclark_dfw on Dec 18, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
steal of the draft?
Here are some options from players who might fall past the 2nd round:
Montario Hardesty
Ryan Matthews
Dan Williams
Joe Pawalek
Eric Norwood
Chad Jones
Javier Arenas.
Jahvid Best.
CJ Spiller.
All 3 will fall cuz of their height and durability concerns.
Arenas is a dynamic punt returner, and even at 5"9, he’s s very good cover corner and also very good tackler. Could be a poor man’s Antoine Winfield.
Jahvid Best may have concussion concerns, but this guy has tons of potential. Fast, knows how to run, good hands. Not a feature back, but sure as hell could be a nice change of pace.
I also think Toby Gerhart will be a good back for someone.
All 3 of these guys are college stars that will fall for whatever reason, but a good team will pick them up in the later rounds as they drop.
Spiller may be the best offensive talent in terms of impace in the entire draft. You can’t teach his speed. He’s a senior and a leader on his team, he’s got a good head on his shoulders.
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"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
...dunno why Spiller is in there...
I was gonna say him, but he’s a first rounder.
Tho, if he’s not, he’ll be a steal.
He’s quite possibly the best offensive talent in terms of having an impact in the draft.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I can see what you mean with Spiller
Even though I said after the 2nd round but that one is ok. If someone gets him after pick 25 it would be a huge steal. As for the best offensive talent in the draft I have to put him second behind Dez Bryant.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I just wanna say
Hell of a game last night. I hope you guys run the table and make the wildcard so we can meet again.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'll also say
if you guys don’t draft a damn S in the first two rounds, then your entire Front Office should be burned alive
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I agee..
I wanna meet again too.
Its a shame that Eli and Gilbride finally figured out the Eagles D, only to be let down by the defense.
…also, IMO more importantly, to be let down by themselves. Boss, Smith, Nicks, Manningham….plays to be made that they left on the table.
More frustrating than anything.
Also, they do need a safety, but no to drafting one. They need to shell out some big bucks for one.
As for the draft….Osi, Kiwi and Tuck have been absent for too long. The only one on the line that’s worth a damn lately is Barry Cofield. He’s all over the field making tackles.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
And Desean Jackson is beast mode.
I can’t believe he was a 2nd round pick.
Every team in the league, including the Eagles, should be ashamed at passing on him in round 1.
The only excuse the Eagles have is they actually drafted him.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
he was oozing with god given talent and he worked with Jerry Rice
he never should have dropped that far.
by CardsDefense on Dec 18, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
true...
its just what happens in the draft…DJAX has proven doubters wrong, I’m sure there were ones in the Eagle camp too.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
hmm...steals...
well, I would say that if Sam Bradford falls out of the top 15 picks, he’ll be a steal.
Others:
DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA)
RB LeGarrette Blount, Oregon (remember me?)
FB ReShawn Jackson, Virginia (the next Leonard Weaver)
TE Dennis Pitta, BYU
OT Kyle Calloway, Iowa
OG Mike Johnson, ’Bama
C Matt Tennant, Boston College
NT Dan Williams, Tennesee
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions
and of course
RB Ryan Matthews, Fresno State
RB Ben Tate, Auburn
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Atthews is a stud
Im surprised nobody put Williams from Tulsa I beleive. Im not a huge beleive but he tears it up at Tulsa.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
but first thing
is level of competition…then again, Matt Forte put Tulsa on the map…but then again, Matt Forte killed my fantasy team, and I wish death upon him…
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Forte went to Tulane
and J.P Losman(As much as he sucked with the Bills) put Tulane on the map.
by Brennan McCoy on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
everyone should keep an eye on Clayborn
I’ve heard that he might be a 1st round pick when all is said and done…
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions
Do you think Clayborn could play 3-4 DE?
I think the chiefs should look at him in the 2nd if he is there. I agree he is very good. I live in MO so I see Iowa from time to time.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I mean
He has the size to play DE, I think the Chiefs need to address the D Line just because of how talented the RBs in our division are. No doubt the Afc West has the most talented RBs of any division.
by darwithabar on Dec 14, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Alot
You need a good rotation in a 3-4. With Dorsey being injured, We had no depth to stop a mediocore RB like Harrision. I think Harrision is pretty good, but not AP numbers good. After Dorsey and Jackson, We ave zero credable DLmen. We could used 2 more to be honest.
Don’t take this offensively, but the Chiefs are just a mess.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 23, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Clayborn was almost moved inside to DT for this season
they ended up moving Ballard, the other starting DE from last year.
(Their 3 best D-linemen were DEs so they decided to move on of the two big DEs inside)
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 14, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Clayborn is a stud
I am a huge Iowa fan, and watch every game. Clayborn is a relentless pass rusher with great athleticism. He is in the backfield on almost every play, which sometimes ends up being his biggest fault because he tends to overrun the play. More often than not, he is making big plays in the backfield.
He is versatile. He can play inside or out in a 4-3, and he can play five tech. or OLB as a pass rusher in the 3-4. I think he is the perfect fit for either defense because he is so athletic. I’d like to see him in a 3-4. He is a good run stuffer and provides great strength at the point of attack. He has excellent athletic ability.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 18, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Clayborn says he's staying
http://twitter.com/marcmorehouse/statuses/6898469989
Go news for Iowa fans, bad news for any NFL team looking for a DE (4-3 or 3-4).
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 21, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
NO WAY
Clayborn could not play OLB in a 3-4. He would be the biggest liability in pass coverage. He is strictly a 3-4 DE. If you played him anywhere in a 3-4 besides End you dont deserve a job.
Haha, okay
How many Iowa games have you watched this year darwin?
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 22, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
you'd definitely have to teach him to play coverage.
Iowa’s D is pretty vanilla. He doesn’t have much in the way of coverage experience. I think 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, 4-3 DT are all better fits for him than 3-4 OLB.
I could see OLB if you are running a hybrid that’s going to keep him close to the line and rushing a lot, a Chike Okeafor role.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 22, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I agree on that account
That’s why I specified as a “pass rushing end” in the 3-4 defense. My point is that he could do that standing up, similar to Adalius Thomas in NE.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 23, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I want him to take Raheem Brock's role in Indy after next year
DE on run downs, 3 tech DT on passing downs, roaming around in the 3-4 look they show occasionally under Coyer.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 23, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
Ive watched alot of Iowa games
I live in Northern MO. He couldnt play 3-4 OLB period bro. I guess he could but if would be the equvilant of Tyson Jackson roaming around, playing zone for my Chiefs. If you think Im taking a shot at the Hawkeyes, you’re wrong. I like Clayborn, I actually want my Chiefs to draft him (If he was coming out) He just isnt fast enough to play OLB in a 3-4. Why put him at OLB when he is a much better fit @ DE. Its just crazy and wouldnt happen. My dad is a huge Hawk Eye fan, I watched them play atleast 6 times this year.
i don't know
he seems like he would be much better suited as a 4-3 LDE, not unlike your own Tyson Jackson.
I think the best 3-4 DE in the draft who is already a DE is Tyson Alua-Alu from Cal.
Also, I’ve heard that Glenn Dorsey has resolved his deficiencies as a DE in the 3-4. Is this true?
Speaking of Jackson, how is he doing? I know his stats are non-exsistant, but that is understandable from a 3-4 DE. But, I’ve also heard that he is not having as much impact as desired. I’ve heard that Dorsey is much better than him.
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions
T Jax has shown flashes
but most of the time he hasnt shown me anything to make me think he is going to be anything special. Dorsey has most def been the best player in the front 7.
and dont the chiefs
need a NT more than anything else? Aside from a LT, and a non-system QB?
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions
NT yes
C also
FS, OLB, SS, ILB, RB, WR
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Basically the same need as your Raiders lol
Or are you still on the “Jamarcus Russell will be good at some point” Band Wagon
QB isn’t their problem. Cassell has no one to throw to and an awful line.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 23, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
6' 5" , 258 lbs Quarterback
John Skelton out of Fordham. He has the tools but the question is whether or not he gained enough experience at Fordham. If he can play he will be a steal out of the 5-7th rounds.
Micah Johnson
The ILB out of Kentucky in the third round to my Steelers ;).
Man is much better than he is reported to be.
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by HighSchoolSteeler on Dec 14, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions
what do you guys think of Jimmy Graham (TE - the U)
Another basketball player turned tight end started playing ball this season after a nine year layout and he’s done pretty well for himself. He’s got great size (6’8 260) and will certainly only improve as a pro. Thoughts?
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
5th round
maybe, but dude has ridonculous upside
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 14, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Steals
Ben Tate-RB-Auburn
Mike Williams-WR-Syracuse
Jevan Snead-QB-Ole Miss (If he’s not taken in the first 2 rounds)
That’s all i got for now
Steals
These two have been mentioned
Mike Williams WR syrucuse not sure about his head but if fails to 4th or 5th could be a steal
LeGarrette Blount rb appears to have grown up alot after his explosion and could be a steal in mid rounds
3. Rob Gronkowski TE may fall to mid rounds, if healthy may be steal
4. Danaro Alexander WR in 4th round could be steal He is big and can catch. has been super productive in his college scheme. he may be to tall 6/5 for the Pros
5. D. Dickerson TE PIT In later round undersized TE who can find the end zone and is versitile.
Dickerson could be a big steal, all the opposing coaches talk about stopping hima nd game planning for him, but Pitt never really has found a way to use him. Get that kid somewhere with a creative OC and he’ll be a valuable commodity.
by Phantaskippy on Dec 16, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
dickerson
will make a fine FB or H-back.
Cooley, perhaps?
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 17, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
re: Gronkowski
i’m not sure he’ll come out unless he knows he’s going in the top 100 picks
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 17, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
What do you mean about Denarion being to tall?
Thats the craziest thing ive ever heard. DA is definitly going to be good in the pros. He is a better WR then Maclin is. He actually beat out Maclin but got injured so Maclin took his spot.
Thaddeus Lewis
Potential steal in rounds 4-6. Good arm strength, pretty good accuracy, and scrambling ability. Will take a few years to develop, but could be a nice product in the end.
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Duke
Is his school, by the way.
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Colt McCoy, anyone?
I have my reasons, but just let me say this: If he goes to the Denver Broncos, he has the potential to be a superstar, and I’ll tell you why.
1. He is more talented than any other McDaniels protege was coming out of college (Brady, Cassel, Orton)
2. He is savvy, athletic, and accurate
3. He is coachable
4. He has ideal size
5. He is a natural leader, and has the “IT” factor
I love this kid to go to Denver in the late first, maybe second round if he slips through the cracks. The Broncos should keep a close eye on him. If Denver gets him in the second round and he gets the tutelage of McDaniels, PLUS a top tier, young running back, an elite wide receiver in Brandon Marshall, and a great pass protecting offensive line, he will be a HUGE steal.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 18, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions
Brady
Has much more talent than McCoy.
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That's not what he's saying
He said coming out of college. As in, McCoy has more promise coming out of college than Brady did, which is true, I guess.
Either Way
Brady still had more talent, he just clearly hadn’t hit his ceiling yet. You can’t add talent to a player. Thats why I kind of disagree with the saying “Champions aren’t born, they are made.” Its true for a while, but the truth is you are born with talent, and you can’t create it.
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McCoy is tiny
has a girly man arm and comes from a systemy offense.
He stinks as a pro prospect.
McDaniels may be a ‘genius’…but he’s not this dumb.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Out of college?
Keep on dreaming. Tom Brady was a sixth round pick for a reason.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 22, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Colt McCoy is not a good pro prospect
Tom Brady was a better pro prospect cpming out of college so really your wrong. McCoy is not accurate down feild which is why he wont go til the 5th round. Look at Chase Daniels, He was successful in college and didnt even get drafted, The broncos wont take McCoy in the 1st or 2nd. I only hope they do take him to waste the pick.
Is this comment a joke?
Because everything in it is funny.
I’ll be willing to bet you my life’s savings that Colt McCoy goes before the fifth round. That is simply an outlandish statement.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 22, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Whenever he comes out
He won’t be good in the pros.
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-Akrobatik
He cant throw down feild
End of Story, Below is a list of QBs that will go before him, in no order.
1. Clausen
2. Snead
3. Bradford
4. Lafevour
5. Teebow
6. Sean Canfeild
7. Max Hall
8. Rusty Smith
Now, Could he sneak into the 4th or maybe even 3rd. Yeah, but only if there is a run on QBs that cant throw the ball 30 ft.
I'm willing to bet you whatever you want
E-mail me and we will work something out for a bet. I’m willing to do whatever!
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 24, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
1. No. Just, no.
2. I don’t see many intagibles from him, and I don’t think he is that accurate but his system inflates his stats.
3. Most QBs are.
4. Really?
5. I see the opposite of the “IT” factor when I watch him. The “BUST” factor
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 19, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Not a McCoy fan but
There is no question he is very accurate. He simply lacks the arm strength most pro QB’s have. I can’t question his winning style and leadership on the field. I can question his ability to operate out of anything but a spread offense. I don’t see him playing for any team that wants to run a pro-style offense. However, Denver? I really can see that argument. Not every successful pro QB had a rocket arm. All did have an accurate arm. Yeah, I can see Denver- 2nd round.
by lifelongvike on Dec 19, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
You Don't Have to be Accurate
Terry Bradshaw sure as hell wasn’t
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Colt McCoy's winning style?
I can’t question his winning style
Who cares about winning? It didn’t help David Greene or Ken Dorsey who are #2 and #4 as winningest college QB’s.
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 20, 2009 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone cares about winning
When evaluating a pro QB most people rate accuracy, arm strength, quickness (release time and foot speed), build, and the IT factor. How you lead your college team to victories is a pretty good indication of “it”. Of course the system has something to do with it but not everything. Colt has the “IT” factor. He’s a team leader, hard worker, personable, and a winner. When I see him interviewed he reminds me of a very natural leader.
Do you know of a winning Pro Football QB that came from a losing college program? I’m sure there are a few but I imagine a very high percentage of successful pro QB’s have come from winning college programs.
by lifelongvike on Dec 20, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
OK, well Tebow has won two NCs, so he should go first overall. Greg McElroy and Andy Dalton are locks for top picks next year two because they win.
BAM
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
And Armanti Edwards
Has won like three national championships for App State at 1-AA, so he should at least go in the top ten. Haha
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Agree with TRSS
Tebow must have “it” because he is a winner. So he should go before Clausen because Clausen obviously isn’t a winner. :roll eyes:
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 22, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow does have "IT"
But that doesn’t mean he is a better quarterback than Clausen. He is better at a lot of things, one of which is winning.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 22, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
What are you saying then?
There are a million reasons why Notre Dame has been so awful, and Clausen isn’t one of them. You can’t pin the failures of management, coaching, the defense, and everything else on the quarterback.
So if Clausen has a solid supporting staff around him, all of a sudden he has “it”? Is he then better at winning?
I never said Clausen was the reason for Notre Dame's woes...
I simply said that Tim Tebow has been more of a winner in his collegiate career.
I will say that Clausen doesn’t have a killer instinct. His attitude is like Jay Cutler’s where if his team is going to lose, his attitude screams “We’re going to lose”. Tim Tebow would fight for the victory even if UF was down by 30
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 24, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Denver already has a weak-armed QB that doesn’t make too many mistakes. I see Skelton to them in the fourth
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Okay
1. I guess that’s your opinion. If you would have taken any of Brady, Orton, or Cassel over McCoy coming out of college, then you have outsmarted every other team in the NFL and should be looking for a job in the league.
2. You don’t see intangibles? He is a leader and a motivator on the field. He is poised. And yes, he is accurate. There is no arguing that. Probably one of the most accurate QB’s in the draft.
3. Most QB’s are coachable? How about these high picks who FAILED in their new systems:
JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, J.P Losman, Trent Edwards, Matt Leinart, and the list goes on.
Being coachable is a HUGE factor, and McCoy is coachable.
4. Yes. 6’3" 215 is ideal or close to ideal NFL size. I guess an inch and ten pounds and he would be absolutely ideal.
5. Whatever.
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 22, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Your wrong about McCoy being accurate
Orton, Brady, and Cassell are all more accorate down feild than McCoy is (And that aint saying much with Cassell and Orton) He can hit the check downs but he is very inaccurate down feild, which is why no NFL team will draft him that early. He doesnt have more talent then these guys coming out, He just plays in the Big 12 spread. Chase Daniels put up ridiculous numbers in college, but Freeman went in the 1st because he can throw accuratley down feild. Most QBs that are taken in the 1st-2nd rounds can throw 30 yards accuratly. McCoy will be nothing but a system QB for his whole career and probably just a back up. Give me Snead any day over McCoy.
Dennis Pitta BYU
I’ve seen some draft sites that have him going in the 4th or 5th rounds—if a team lands him that low he’s going to be a steal as a TE.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
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