Brand New Mock Draft
by swg777 on Dec 19, 2009 12:41 PM EST
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PrintOk, my last draft didn't exactly earn rave reviews. There are two reason for that. First, I was drunk. Second, there are always draft day surprises that should be thrown into a mock. For example, how many mock drafters saw Crabtree slipping to #10, Oher slipping out of the top 20, or Knowshon going to the Broncos? I'm sure a few did, but not many. Let's have a constructive conversation, not a "You suck at this." With that said, here goes!
1. Bucs - Ndamukong Suh DL. The difference between Suh and McCoy is that Suh can still dominate while being double teamed. McCoy, from what I have seen, can be neutralized while being double teamed.
2. Rams - Jimmy Clausen QB. The Rams are possibly the least talented team in the NFL. I wouldn't be surprised if a very strong combine performance from Bradford changes things here but at this point I have to give Jimmy the edge.
3. Lions - Russell Okung OL. I know McCoy and Berry are still on the board but the Lions MUST provide protection for their franchise QB. In a draft that appears to have more defensive depth, the Lions can get a great player on defense (just like they did with Delmas) with their 2nd rounder.
4. Browns - Eric Berry S. Very tempted to take Bradford or McCoy but the Browns decide to go with the best player available. This pick depends entirely on Brady Quinn's performance the next three games.
5. Chiefs - Dez Bryant WR. I was very tempted to go OL on this pick but I think it would be too much of a reach. After watching several Chiefs games I was amazed by their lack of playmakers. Bryant appears to be a legit #1 WR.
6. Redskins - Bruce Campbell OT. This might be a bit of a reach here but it is an overwhelming need. Jason Campbell actually looks decent when he has protection. I wouldn't be shocked if the skins draft Colt McCoy or Pike in the second, or if they go for a free agent QB.
7. Raiders - Sam Bradford QB. Is it just me or was the Richard Seymour trade one of the worst of all time? You just gave up your 2011 first rounder (and likely a top 10 pick) for a 30 year old stud DL when your window for winning is years out? Because the Raiders will not have a chance to get a franchise QB in 2011, they will possibly try for one here. Gerald McCoy would be great here but I don't think the Raiders will pull the trigger.
8. Bills - Gerald McCoy DL. This is not the biggest need for the Bills but the top two QB's and OL are off the board. The value here would be too hard to pass up on. Trent Williams deserves consideration but I think that would be a reach, especially if McCoy is still on the board.
9. Broncos - Rolando McClain LB. I have a hard time deciding between McClain or Taylor Mays. I would love to get any of them. I think McClain and Mays are going to light up the combine and I wouldn't be surprised if their stock goes up further.
10. Seahawks - Trent Williams OL. Slight reach here. Defensive studs still available too. The Hawks OL has been a disaster this year and this is an overwhelming concern.
11. 49ers - Taylor Mays S. Great value here and best player available.
12. Steelers - Joe Haden CB. The Steelers get a great value here and address a position of need.
13. Falcons - Derrick Morgan DE. Not necessarily the greatest need the Falcons have but quite possibly the best player available.
14. Titans - Earl Thomas S. Stud DB who may be one of the most underrated players in the first round.
15. Texans - C.J. Spiller RB. The value here is too great to pass up. The Texans get the perfect blend of best player available at a position of need.
16. 49ers - Brian Bulaga OL. Finally, the niners land a quality right tackle. This team is starting to look respectable.
17. Jaguars - Tim Tebow QB. I'm pretty sure Tebow will go in the first round. I choose the Jags because everyone else is. I am caving to peer pressure.
18. Jets - Carlos Dunlap DE. A nasty player who would be a good fit, I think, with Rex Ryan.
19. Giants - Sergio Kindle LB. With four OL off the board already the Giants go with the next position of need, LB.
20. Ravens - Golden Tate WR. Electrifying playmaker and would address a need for the Ravens.
21. Dolphins - Terrence Cody DT. A definite Parcells type of player.
22. Cowboys - Charles Brown OT. Slight reach but if you have seen Flozell Adams play this year, you know what is needed.
23. Cardinals - Jermaine Gresham TE. With the biggest need at OL already depleted, the Cardinals go for the best player available and pick up a decent blocker at the same time.
24. Seahawks - Jahvid Best RB. Great fit, great player. Good pick.
25. Patriots - Ricky Sapp LB. Good fit for their OLB in the 3-4.
26. Packers - Patrick Robinson CB. With OL being their biggest need but having no viable first rounders on the board, the Packers go for another need position.
27. Eagles - Brandon Spikes LB. Best player available. Good fit for Philly.
28. Bengals - Brandon LaFell WR. With the tragic passing of Chris Henry this pick becomes obvious. A talented player in a college system that is not a great fit.
29. Chargers - Dan Williams DT. Late riser on many mock drafts. Good player who would be a great fit for the Chargers aging defensive line.
30. Vikings - Brian Price DT. A great value pick for the Vikings and also addresses their aging D-line. Is this guy 3-4 only type of player?
31. Colts - Mike Iupati OL. The Colts land possibly the best OG in the draft.
32. Saints - Jerry Hughes LB. The Saints, who look flawless, address a minor need with a stud OLB.
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I'd prefer a tackle, but a stud guard is possible
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Who would he replace?
Not Lilja – he’s played well. And what’s wrong with DeVan? The guy is cheap and does his job, whereas Diem is set to make around 5 million next year and Charlie Johnson would probably demand a bigger paycheck after this season just because of the fact that he’s started almost every game.
I’m no expert, but I don’t know if it’s the interior of our offensive line that’s our biggest weakness.
DeVan is ok
but nothing special. I think a OT or filling a need opened by free agency at MLB or S is more likely, but RG is a spot where they can clearly make an upgrade.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 19, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
the way I look at early picks is there are 3 categories of positions
Need positions, Upgradable positions, and No Room positions (where any pick would just ride the bench, so you wouldn’t burn a high pick there)
I’d group them as
Needs: OT and (depending on Free Agency MLB/S
Upgradable: G, DT, LB, Returner
No Room QB, RB, WR, TE, DE, CB, S (if both Bethea and Bullitt are back)
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 19, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
How Likely
Is Bethea to resign?
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
if the cap comes off he's restricted and a lock to be back (or net a high draft pick)
if not I still think they’ll pay him since they can keep Bullitt for relatively cheap (RFA) and need 3 starting caliber safeties for as long as they are stick with Sanders (which will be one more year at the least since his deal is at it’s cheapest next year).
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
I Could
See Bethea or Bullitt in teal, effectively kicking Reggie Nelson out the door. Would the Colts take a 6th for Bullitt?
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
no way
I expect him to get the 2nd round tender at 1.5mil
he’s not Sanders, but he’s starting caliber
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I was joking. Bullitt would start on most teams.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Im not to sure about DE
I keep saying we need someone behind Freeney and Mathis to rush the passer. Those guys are going to be a bit nicked towards the end of the season as we are seeing now. Someone needs to alleviate the work load. Did you see how much time Garraurd had in the Pocket when Freeney and Mathis werent in? The blitzes werent getting there. We have seen life without pass rushers and I dont like it one bit. The Colts need to find some depth behind Freeney and Mathis to keep them fresh
by metal_militia on Dec 24, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's worth an early pick, but I'm all for another Marcus Howard type pick
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 25, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
All the mocks do
but none of the St. Louis sportswriters, who actually talk with people in the Rams front office, have the Rams taking a QB in the first.
So what else...
will St. Louis do at QB? Do you think they’ll make a run at some teams back-up in the hopes of getting a year or two of decent play? Do you think that they’ll go for Vick, Culpeppper, Pennington? Or keep with what they have?
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 19, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I've actually heard Vick is a possibility.
whether it makes sense or not (….it doesn’t…)
To be honest…is Clausen or whoever else really that certain of a prospect?
I think their boy was Locker, and he’s not in this draft.
It wouldn’t be the worst of decisions to draft Suh or even trade back for picks.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Vick would be interesting from the reconstruction of the playbook but… i would worry about handing my offence over to that guy ( i mean how can anyone really trust him again… and he just doesn’t “have it” any more).
Yeah Suh over Clausen has value-pick written all over it, but sometimes you have to draft more valuable positions over better players. (personally i would draft Suh and get a college QB like Pike and run a direct copy of a Spread-offence system).
Who St. Louis picks will be one of those interesting choices that will define their franchise for the next few seasons.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 19, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think you get a stopgap
for this year. If Jason Campbell ends up being available, he would be a good choice. Then draft one of the later upside picks, like LeFevour or Stull.
Let Keith Null be the backup. Focus on bringing in talent on both sides of the ball.
I'm fairly certian the Jags fans are gonna NOT read this..
Tebow to the Jags is a horrible idea. Also..Earl Thomas has said he’s going back to school. Dunno if I believe him…but he’s said hes going back.
Sergio Kindle is not a bad idea to the Giants. He in no way, shape or form will play LB for them, Clint Sintim is already their big LB of the future.
He’ll be a pass rusher..tho, I’m not sure he’s good enough to take this high.
I’d rather them go after a safety.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Actually Earl Thomas more or less said he's coming out
His words were (not verbatim but close) – People go to college so they can make money in the future. That’s what I came to college to do and I believe I’ve done that. I might still go back depending on what scouts tell me but if I’m going to be a 1st round pick I’m going to the NFL.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 19, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
if he said that...
then he’s coming out..cuz he’s probably a first rounder.
Or at least..he’s not going any higher next year or the year after.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
KC
Dez Bryant may be the best wr available but if KC is considering OL, they should get it at number 5 in the first. There will be WR’s will starting potential available at #5 in the second.
Not a need...
There are bigger needs on the team than WR. Pioli is not the type of guy that just takes the best player available. He takes the best player in the much needed positions that his team needs. The Chiefs have two good receivers in Bowe and Chambers (hopefully they sign Chambers at the end of the season), but there are good WRs later on in the draft that the Chiefs would pick. There are bigger needs at OL (both OT and OG), S, CB, NT, ILB, OLB, OG, KR/PR, and RB (since our RB backfield is slim behind Charles), then maybe WR. I do see the Chiefs taking one WR this year, but not that high in the draft. I would not complain about Bryant, I have watched him play and he is awesome! I just don’t see Pioli making that pick. I would expect someone like McClain to be picked if they were going for best player on the board, because he is a very smart and well coached player.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand your thought process but I just don’t see it happening. If it does, then I will write you an apology FanShot. I know mock drafts are hard to do, and they are just that mock. I love looking at them to see what people pick, but I don’t think I would ever try it because I don’t know every teams needs like I do the Chiefs.
Yes and No
There are lots of needs for KC— the talent level is quite low. But I disagree re Bowe and Chambers: Chambers is getting older and even if he stays with KC (not a certainty) will need to be replaced in a couple of years. Bowe is in his third year of the league, still has VERY inconsistent hands, drops too many throws. If I were PIoli I’d look to unload Bowe while he still is under contract, is young and has value.
Re the other positions, I don’t see anyone other than Okung who you could justify with such a high pick. Maybe Berry, or perhaps they would take Gerald McCoy. Trading down is hard to do, but to pick up more players would be good.
Agree with swg777 re KC
Their lack of playmakers is really clear from the tape. If Okung is gone when the Chiefs pick, then no other O-line prospects are worth that much $$$ investment, would have too much risk as well. In that case I’d imagine that Pioli would prefer to trade down, but that’s often very difficult to do…. ergo Dez Bryant goes off the board.
Not Bad
Joe Haden might be one of the only guys the Steelers pass on Earl Thomas for. Would be an impossible choice.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 19, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions
Did he say that?
I know he said initially that he wasn’t, but then he changed his stance and said he would consider it if he got a first round projection, which at this point I think is inevitable.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 19, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Cody over Haden. Name a former UF D player in the past 5 drafts to not suck.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
by Steel in FL on Dec 21, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Last time I’ll listen to what you have to say.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Defensive players from UF from the last 5 drafts.
Derrick Harvey, Jarvis Moss, Reggie Nelson, Ray McDonald, Marcus Thomas, Joe Cohen, Ryan Smith, Brandon Siler, Jeremy Mincey, Dee Webb, Channing Crowder, Reynaldo Hill, Keiwan Ratliff, Guss Scott, Bobby McCray.
Not a pretty picture. The jury is still out on McDonald, Thomas, Cohen,Smith, and Siler, since they were later round picks in 07
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t pick someone just because they are from Florida. You fail
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 21, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
That just shows that UF D players struggle in the NFL despite their success in college
It’s on reason Dunlap is falling.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
by Steel in FL on Dec 21, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Slim, that kind of history is not important.
Was Emmitt Smith from Florida? Percy Harvin looks decent right now. Fred Taylor, Jevon Kearse, Louis Murphy [looks good now], and Earnest Graham.
There may be underlying reasons connected with coaching or scheme or something else, but not just because they are from Florida.
by NorthLeft12 on Dec 21, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
UF offensive players are fine
Could be stars
but my list is made up of Defensive players. I am just stating that in my mind there are some risks to drafting UF players in the first round. First rounds players should be stars, its why they’re drafted in the 1st. Not one of the players I mentioned is a star. To me it seem risky.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
by Steel in FL on Dec 22, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
That kind of History is important
Teams shied away from Kevin Kolb one reason was he came from Houston. The same school as David Klingler, and Andre Ware. Teams consider where players come from.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
by Steel in FL on Dec 22, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
It's important
Why do you think teams shy away from every quarterback from Texas Tech and Hawaii
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Because the scheme they run inflates the QB's stats.
Those QBs were not strong throwers and had no clue how to run a pro style offence because they never had to do that in college. it is the college coach and scheme that is important. But still, it does not mean that any player form those schools is no good, it just means they may be overrated. It is the NFL scout’s job to review their capabilities and recommend whether or not they can cut it in the NFL.
And besides, you guys are dumping on all Florida players from all positions. That makes no sense. Florida runs an elite college football program with some of the best athletes in the country. Of course a lot of those guys will play in the NFL. And of course some will bust.
NFL scouts need to do a better job of evaluating how these guys will perform.
I forgot
To write “sarcasm” in bold behind that sentence. I agree, while a lot of scouts do look at the school the prospect comes from, it isn’t fair that they do. The guy can’t help who played there before him.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
All good man
A lot of my sarcasm is really subtle. Can’t see some ones facial expression or voice tone over the keyboard.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
no stars...
but a few youngins..solid players in there.
No reason to not draft Florida players.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
my point exactly
good solid players but not living up to the expectations of a 1st round pick.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
by Steel in FL on Dec 22, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yes because a 7th rounder like Siler or 6th rounder like Mincey or 7th rounder like Webb or 7th rounder like Hill didn’t work out stay away from Florida players.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Dec 22, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Derrick Harvey, Jarvis Moss, Reggie Nelson, Lito Sheppard, and Gerard Warren
are the only first rounders from UF since 00. Sheppard is th only non bust right now on that list. UF hasn’t turned out many quality palyers.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
Yeah
Jags have two of those. Harvey and Nelson. Nelson is a mega bust, gonna be traded… I’d take a 5th for him
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Alex Brown is one
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
Npt that good
had to think a bit before I remembered who he was.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
He's a solid contributor
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3632
41.5 sacks since 2002, around 5 a year is okay at least.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
Good contributor
great for a 4th pick. But not a 1st round pick. Take alook at who’s from UF
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
I see more busts than good
You could say the same about most other team with players.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
I should have explained better
I’d much rather draft a NT than a CB in the 1st this year.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
by Steel in FL on Dec 22, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
How bout Bama players
Ramzee Robinson, Charlie Peprah, Mark Anderson, Anthony Bryant, Cornelius Wortham, Derrick Pope.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Dec 22, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
You forgot about
DeMeco Ryans, Roman Harper, Antwan Odom and Jarret Johnson. Alabama hasn’t had a player picked in the first round since 00 with Shaun Alexander, and Chris Samuels. UF has had 5 in the same time period non as good as those two.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
gotta feeling that's gonna change....
Past is the past.
Saban has a ton of talent there at UA.
Florida has talent too.
More of it is teams that stink and not being able to get the most out of these players.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 22, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think Sapp or Robinson are first-round guys
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 19, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions
YOU SUCK AT PICKING FOR THE LIONS! LOL
You can have an opinion that you think that the Lions should draft an LT at #3, but stop with the MUST DO….whatever.
You do not see most of these teams on a regular basis so you are projecting what you think they NEED based on what exactly? What other people say? What you think their weakness is based on a game you watched for a quarter two months ago? Who knows?
The Lions are drafting the BPA. If their board has Okung ahead of Berry or G. McCoy or D. Morgan they will take him. Personally I think there is a 20% chance they take Okung. I’ll put McCoy at 40% and Berry and Morgan at 20% each too.
You are wrong.
I have NFL Sunday Ticket my friend. I watch almost every team on a regular basis. Next
So does ESPN, but that doesn't make what they say any more logical
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
Really?
You don’t think the fact that the lions $50 M guaranteed man got his shoulder blasted in because the line couldn’t protect didn’t wake them up. They need line to save Staffords ass or he’ll end up like Alex Smith. On the IR for 2 years.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Dec 19, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yes their line needs improvement, but why do you assume their problems are with the LT?
If you watched the games like you say you do, you would see that Backus is doing an average to above average job. Our Guards, especially Left Guard have been a disaster. That position has been a revolving door all season and Backus has played every down with never a word from the coaching staff about trying someone else. Is that not a clue as to the mindset of the people who see every Lions play and actually know what they are talking about?
Like I said, I would not be surprised if the Lions take Okung, but it will be a pick on long term value rather than immediate need.
Move Backus to LG
Then you improve at LT and LG.
by abasketballfan on Dec 23, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
You are assuming that Backus has the abilities to be an upgrade at LG.
I really don’t know that that is true. A lot of people make that case but I have never heard anyone in the Lion organization suggest that. They seem satisfied with Jeff Backus.
40 sacks
4 years, Thats why they need a new LT.
by darwithabar on Dec 25, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Cody a Parcells type of guy?
I am with you on MAYBE they go NT I’ll even bite they might take Cody BUT dont say he is a P. type guy a 370 LB lazy fat boy sucking air after 3 plays? NO WAY they take Cody or any other NT in round 1 a lb there maybne in your mock: Spikes or Hughes. Nice mock draft :)
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
I wouldnt mind Spikes
We will definately go NT or LB with our first IMO, maybe a WR.
Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23
T.Lex doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt. Can't just suppress sixty five million years of gut instinct.
Spikes would be my play
in this mock and OLB Norwood/Hughes/Sapp/Graham/Lewis/Bowman in rounds 2 and 3
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
Well stated Blaze453
What would make anyone think that Cody is a “Parcells type of player”? Because he weighs a lot?
On the Bengals Pick...
I think the Bengals will go for playmakers in this draft as they have a solid/good team but lack that certain magic. The Bengals can grind a team down and make the hard yards but lack explosive players and playmakers.
Watching some game tape i really like what LaFell brings as an all-round package, and most importantly for the Bengals style of football, the kid enjoys run-blocking. One of the reasons L.Coles is still starting (despite below-average play) is that his run-blocking is invaluable and many of Bensons bigger runs have come about from a sealing block from Coles (he turns 5 yard runs into 15 yard runs etc). LaFell needs some polishing in regards to his route-tree and of course he currently relies on his physical abilities too much to seperate himself from DBs (which in the NFL is harder against the top teams) but all in all i think the guy is a solid late 1st round pick. I also like his willingness to make the tough catches over the middle which makes him a perfect foil for Ocho.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 19, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions
17. Jaguars – Tim Tebow QB. I’m pretty sure Tebow will go in the first round. I choose the Jags because everyone else is. I am caving to peer pressure.
That’s laughable.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
I have watched enough games
of the Lions this year to see Stafford get blindsided multiple times. The proposition that the Lions will take an OT may not happen, but it is certainly not far-fetched. Just relax, breathe. Don’t take my mock draft personal.
swg, I respect your opinion and you have every right to state it.
I just get tired of reading people saying this team MUST DO THIS . Or what? They won’t win the Super Bowl next year, the year after, forever?
by NorthLeft12 on Dec 20, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
You are right...
I should not use language like “must do this.” I am just giving my opinion and shouldn’t be so dogmatic. Thanks.
Brian Price to the Vikes?
Its hard to believe that a team with No absolute needs will take the 5th-7th best DT with a first round pick. Its also hard to see a 6’2" 300lb tackle fitting the Vikings style since they like em Big up front. Dan Williams ( Tennessee) 6’3" 327 lbs or Jared Odrick (Penn St.) 6’3" 300lbs are rated higher and are available but I think the Vikes will wait until a later round to get someone Huge that they can groom for the job.
A top 20 draft pick, Travis Lewis (Oklahoma) ,Outside linebacker is available in your draft. If I’m the Vikes I pick him as a value pick. Ben Leber is aging and this pick makes some sense.
As far as the rest of your mock I will make these observations.
1. Detroit will probably go defense with McCoy or Berry.
2. Redskins will have a new coach and a new QB
3. Chiefs will not draft a WR this high
So I think a top 5 mock draft would be
1. St. Louis- Bradford. He fits their style. Claussen is the best QB available.
2. T.B- Suh. Everyones man
3 Lions- McCoy. Detroit needs McCoy
4 Browns- Cluassen- strong arm is needed. If not available then Berry
5 Cheifs- Okung. Priolli will be dancing in the street with this value pick.
I respectfully disagree.
It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the Vikes take a D-lineman with their first round pick. If I am not mistaken one of their guys is possibly 37 years old! You may be right regarding their chances at picking up an outside linebacker but I just don’t agree with you. I am a west coast guy and have had the opportunity to watch a lot of Brian Price this year. He is a stud and I don’t think his lack of height will impede too much. As for everything else:
1. I think Detroit will go OL you think defense. Agree to disagree.
2. A new coach does not automatically mean a new QB, with regard to the Skins.
3. I think the Chiefs will go for a WR if the top OL is off the board. There is precedent for early first round WR’s.
4. You mentioned Bradford fits the Rams “style.” I don’t think the Rams, who are the worst team in the NFL, have a “style.” This team is grasping for straws and their offense is going to be completely redone. You may be right but I just think Classen is the better overall QB and the Rams will cater their “style” around him, not draft a lesser QB to fit their last-place “style.”
SWG77- Bradford not better than Claussen
I just want you to know that we agree on Claussen being rated a better QB. Although I think both are top 5 picks. It just seems to me that Bradfords accuracy and movement behind the pocket is in style with the St. Louis coaching philosophy. Remember this is the coaching staff that paid Huge money for Bulger. I think Bradford is a Bulger clone.
In all other respects I am always willing to respectfully disagree. After all I have been wrong on the draft each and every year.
by lifelongvike on Dec 20, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with llv, I think they are looking for a back up/successor for Pat Williams.
K. Williams is only 29, while Pat is 37. The Vikings have Jimmy Kennedy for depth but I did not see much else. Have to admit that Dan Williams seems to be a perfect fit for Minnesota and probably will grade out as a late round one pick too.
llv, Is there anyone else that the Vikes use at DT that I have missed?
by NorthLeft12 on Dec 20, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
6'4" 320lbs Jimmy Kennedy spells the Williams Brothers
The Vikes really have a sound Defensive Line. They will use a couple of draft picks to shore it up later in the draft. If a Terrance Cody rated DT is available then they will pull the trigger. The pleasure is having no true #1 need. That is why they won’t reach for a player like Brian Price. I think the Vikes will snatch a top 20 pick that has fallen to them. The recent injury to EJ Henderson has made the linebacking need much higher than it was previously.
I see the Vikes taking a Safety or Cornerback in round 1 except I believe those will be picked over pretty good by the time the Vikes pick. I’m assuming an impact player type Outside Linebacker might be available. But the way the Vikes draft I guarantee they won’t stretch for a player. They might gamble on stretching for a QB that normally would be a 2nd rounder but I even doubt that will happen.
Same with the Chiefs. They will not take a WR 5th overall. It doesn’t fit their new philosophy. They will take an impact player like Okung or McCoy ( or trade down) before they chance it on a WR. Its a New England style draft philosophy. Get solid multi-purpose linemen and linebackers early in the draft.. Pick up offensive skill positions later in the draft or by free agency.
by lifelongvike on Dec 20, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
McCoy is not projected to play in a 3-4
Everything I have read has him as a Tackle in a 4-3 only. The Chiefs may actually move up to the #4 pick based on their loss to the Browns today. I think they will have their pick between Berry and Okung.
NFPost says McCoy can play 3-4 end
They think he’s an excellent end prospect at that position. I agree.
I agree..
McCoy’s big and athletic…
A lot more athletic and big than Tyson Jackson.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
McCoy’s strength is pass rushing. I don’t think he will get to utilize his greatest strengths as an end
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 22, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think the idea is...
that a team drafting that runs a 3-4 should not be scared of taking McCoy.
If they need DL help…he can help.
Nothing wrong with a pass rusher as a 3-4 DE
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 22, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
are you retarded?
McCoy to Detriot?? They spent 48mil on Stafford as the first overall pick last year and you say another 1st round QB? They will get Eric Berry and if they don’t then they are retarded.
GERALD McCOY FROM OKLAHOMA. The Defensive Tackle.
Not that overrated excuse for a QB from Texas.
Before you start calling people names you should make sure you know what you are talking about MSsteele.
It can be confusing
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>what the hell am i reading? there is NO WAY the niners take him… he won’t even go in the top 20, except the raiders of course.
I know we can’t discuss trades because we don’t know what will happen, but I really feel that if the niners don’t draft up to get Berry, they will trade down the top pick from wherever they are down to around 15, pick up an extra 2nd rounder, and draft CJ Spiller. They need a PR solution, as well as a change of pace back for when Gore gets tired.
They might even get back to back picks, and will take Spiller/OT (bulaga, williams, davis, whoever)
I wonder if there are any teams who will want to trade up their 1st+2nd rounder to get a player.
DREAM DRAFT:
1a. Either trade up to get Eric Berry, or trade down a big amount of spots, get a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and take Spiller
1b. An OT
2a. Iupati
2b. CB/S depth
3-7. Whoever the hell you want
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 20, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Wow, trade up to get Berry?
Not many teams trade up to grab a Safety but at least he’s the best safety in years. If you really want to trade away next years #1 (and the draft chart says it will cost at least that much) I would think the Browns or Chiefs might accommodate you. Although the Browns have 11 draft picks so they don’t really need to trade.
I’m kinda with you on Mays though. If I’m the 49ers I think I take Joe Haden. I see Mayes as very good and maybe a #15 pick. If however you need a safety (and 49ers do) then Mays is the best on the board so I’m not criticizing the mock draft for this selection.
by lifelongvike on Dec 20, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Safety is a higher priority than CB
Spencer has quietly had a good season. Clements isn’t a pro bowler but he’s solid. Brown is a good nickel. It’s certainly upgradable but not a high position of need.
The niners have a very good front 7 against the run so a run support safety (Lewis) who lacks in pass protection is unnecessary. Mays would be a Lewis clone albeit faster.
If they choose a DB in this area I would assume it would be Earl Thomas.
by abasketballfan on Dec 23, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
pitt
Traded up to get Polamalu…look at him now.
Yes they did
I appreciate the history lesson. I’m sure several teams have advanced for a safety but I was refferring to moving up into the top 4 or 5 picks. Thats an expensive safety. But you can’t deny how valuable one like Polamalu is to a team.
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by lifelongvike on Dec 28, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Niners need a DB
I think They will get Mays, Haden, or Thomas
You’re probably right about the Bills value pick but I’d prefer McLain there for Buffalo. Our LB corps is not very good.
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