Tim Tebow NFL Draft Report
Tim Tebow, Quarterback, University of Florida.
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QUARTERBACK
Accuracy- Suffers in accuracy due to flawed mechanics. When his footwork is correct, he delivers the ball on time, accurately and with the proper velocity. He is inconsistent in his footwork, and his throws are often off target and force his receiver to work for the ball. Accuracy gets better the longer the pass, and he may be one of the more accurate passers in the draft class hitting receivers in stride on 9 routes.
Arm strength- Very strong arm, but doesn’t possess elite arm strength. Powers the ball through body strength despite having flawed mechanics. Doesn’t judge velocity well, and sometimes floats the ball when he need to gun it. Under throws a lot of deep balls, which is mostly the result of not transitioning his weight when throwing and a flawed follow-through. Overall core body, leg and arm strength allow him to put a great deal of torque on the football. Arm strength will improve naturally as he fixes his mechanics.
Athleticism/mobility- Atypical mobility for a quarterback. Built like a fullback and runs like it. Tremendously strong lower body and powers through tacklers. Hard to get on the ground due to great balance. Scrambles and buys time well. Difficult to sack with just one tackler. Could develop into a Ben Roethlisberger type QB with his scrambling ability, power and balance outside the pocket.
Decision making- Generally sound and takes good care of the football. Many of his interceptions come as a result of an inaccurate pass or not throwing on time. Difficult to grade since many of his decisions come running the spread option, where he makes good decisions with the football, but he’s also not reading an entire defense in the process.
Field vision- Tebow has done some work in this area and has improved from 2008. He used to take off after his first read was covered. In 2009 he showed a better effort at reading the defense and working through his progressions. He is still not great and doesn’t see open receivers, and has taken some bigger shots in the backfield while reading the defense. Has gotten better at moving defenders with head and shoulder movement, but still needs work.
Mechanics- This is Tebow’s most flawed area, and is translates to poor accuracy. He has improved, but not as much as he should have working with Scot Loeffler for a year. Terribly inconsistent. Often times doesn’t fails to point his foot in the direction that he is throwing. Doesn’t transfer his weight well to his front foot in his throwing motion. Kicks his back foot to the side on many throws, instead of following through properly. Steps too far with his lead foot when he knows that he has to fit the ball in a tight spot. Grip of the ball may need work, as his ball tends to wobble, even when he throws with velocity. Elongated throwing motion that features a dip, much like a baseball pitcher. Does not throw with a dip all the time, and accuracy doesn’t change whether he dips or doesn’t dip. Motion is not as bad as Byron Leftwich, who has a classic release point, making his windup longer. Tebow releases the ball with a ¾ release point, though he was worked to get the ball more to a 10 0’clock position.
Pocket awareness/poise- Greatly improved though still not great. Has not seen or felt rushers a few times of his career (see Kentucky game). Really improved going through progressions, though he does still get flustered occasionally when his first read is covered. Ran too soon earlier in his career, but stayed in the pocket longer this year working through his progressions.
Touch- Another area that suffers from his mechanics, but not as bad as his accuracy. Will often float the ball when he needs to power it into a tight window. Sails the ball at times when he needs to hit a receiver covered closely. Has improved on his short throws but is still just average on intermediate throws. Better touch on his deep balls.
Overall- Tebow has been asked to run a spread option offense for Urban Meyer, and has done that to perfection. Fixing his accuracy and mechanical issues were not focused on by the Florida staff until 2009 Spring Ball, where Scot Loeffler began the process of transitioning Tebow to a functional NFL quarterback. Tebow can throw a good ball with proper footwork and without the arm dip, he just doesn’t do so consistently. Has a lot of work to do, but his competitiveness and work ethic are in his favor. Philip Rivers had some significant issues with where he held the ball and his release point prior to the 2004 draft. A great Senior Bowl and draft process elevated his draft status from 2nd rounder to high first rounder. If Tebow shows similar progress as Rivers, or has a great Combine workout like Pat White did last year, combined with his top shelf leadership and character, he could begin to elevate his stock.
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Pat White is probably a good comparison.
He’s not as fast..but he’s very athletic. And unlike White..he’s not 6"0 165lbs.
He’s got QB size. Should be interesting what comes out of the combine on him.
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running QB who ran a lot of option stuff.
hands off to his speedy RB’s.
Passes in a spreadish type offense.
I dunno about you..Tebow plays a lot like White, except he’s 6’3 240lbs.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 29, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
In terms of scheme they play in, yes...
… in terms of talent, I don’t know. I don’t think White has Tebow’s arm strength nor do I believe that White can be an everydown QB at this point due to his frailness (not sure if that’s a word).
Tebow has an NFL-ready physique now, just needs to be consistent with mechanics.
Florida and WV’s spread-options are similar, so they play has been similar at this point. Once the draft process starts, I think we’ll see the differences. I really hope that Tebow plays at the Senior Bowl so we can all get a good read on his progress.
Sure he will be an interesting pick
I hope he will be drafted ELSEWHERE then Jville…
And before any said he is a sure pick I have a good reason to chill all you out.
Who will the Jaguars pick (GM Gene Smith) think he AT BEST a 3rd round pick PROtalent…
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Dec 29, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions
And his ability to heal the sick
Oh no forget it he cannot heal Meyer…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Dec 29, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
That is wickedly funny
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Dec 29, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Dec 29, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I like a lot about him
But I still think he needs to sit behind a vet for at least 2 years. With all of his intangibles, I have no doubt he will succeed with proper coaching
No one thinks he will start at QB immediately for anyone.
But thats the great thing. Tebow can play a little fullback or TE or Wildcat while hes learning the game. Never know he might end up never playing QB at all.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Dec 29, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Al Davis might disagree
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 29, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Since Jacksonville is in the dumper for selling tickets, rumor has them grabbing him with their first pick. Anyone else hear this?
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by Red-Right-88 on Dec 30, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Its funny how most of Tebow’s scouting reports are just like this one, stating all of his flaws then at the end “but he has a strong work ethic so draft him anyways”.
Its funny because any other QB with Tebow’s level of QB skill wouldn’t be drafted period.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 30, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions
Glad you decided to join us here Roc. We could use another Browns fan.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 30, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not really what I said
At no point do I state where Tebow should be drafted or who should do it. It’s my own work, but I’d say it’s pretty objective, considering to love and hate for Tebow.
Most of his flaws aren’t really needing correction. Of the video/games that I’ve watched of Tebow, he throws with proper footwork 1 of five throws, and without a dip 1 of 10. Without the dip, his throws are similar, so we’re not talking about changing mechanics. With Tebow, the work needs to be done in terms of consistency.
That wasn’t so much a jab at you personally, moreso the mentality that comes with talking about Tebow. How a football player could be so average at his position but yet have his lack of skill justified because the media portrays him as a “hard-worker” is amazing. That argument is pretty mind boggling to me since I’m almost positive every QB in this draft is working their ass off to prove their worthiness.
So constantly calling him a hard worker and portraying that as what sets him apart from his peers is a slap in the face to the other college QB’s who actually work their ass off to be BETTER than him, and yet still are under-appreciated because their work ethic isn’t fellated by the media since their names aren’t Tebow.
You’re report was actually very objective, informative and very professional. I’m just wondering when work ethic was a substitute for talent.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 30, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Fair Enough
I took your initial comments wrong. My bad.
I don’t think Tebow has average talent. When Tebow throws with proper footwork, he throws a really good ball. When he throws without the dip, he gets through his throwing motion well.
He has done both, and sometimes together on the same throw. When he has, he’s thrown really good passes.
His flaws aren’t so much inability to do something, as inability to do something consistently. He has the talent.
consistency is a subsidiary of talent. Every QB can look good every once in a while. If you give me 25 snaps at QB, I guarantee you I can look good on a least 1 or 2. but its consistency that set them apart. And working hard doesn’t allow you to overcome flaws. Most QB’s that lack talent work hard to improve their draft stock but that doesn’t work all the time right?
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 4, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just wondering when work ethic was a substitute for talent.
Because there are TOO many people in the NFL who try to get by on Talent alone and arent willing to work hard to get better….
THATS WHY.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Jan 2, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
With a strong work ethic he can overcome all of those flaws
He has the talent, he just needs work on his mechanics. And with a strong work ethic, that is entirely possible. I think a strong work ethic is the top thing to look for in most prospects. There’s a transition, and a strong work ethic will make that easier.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 31, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Tebow could turn out ok, but he needs time and good mentoring. So anyway good luck to you Tebow, hope you get a big first contract.
As to the Roethlisberger comparison, look at the scouting reports on Big Ben coming out of college. They were nothing at all like this. Tebow can run, but Ben’s biggest strength has been smart movement and good footwork in the pocket, not running out of it. Sadly Ben doesn’t have much of a pocket to work with anymore, but Tebow will have to learn that, and not having good footwork doesn’t look promising.
Tebow will fall, not because they don’t like him, but others will pass him up. He’ll get taken when somebody doesn’t know who to draft, and they will get what they get.
I don’t believe that the whole “winner” thing carries into the NFL, look at the top QB’s. Peyton choked in big games in college, Brees couldn’t beat OSU or Michigan, Brady won lesser Bowl games, but always lost a stupid game or two during the season to keep his team out of the hunt. The biggest winner, Matt Leinhart can’t get on the field, and when he does he stinks. VY is winning, but that team is talented without him. Tebow could work like Young, but he doesn’t have Young’s accuracy now. (That felt weird to write.) If you are going to draft the Tebow, you are going to have to put in time and effort and be patient while he learns or falls on his face.
P.S. I just fixed a typo that had “winner” spelled “sinner.” How appropriate was that?
“Brady won lesser Bowl games”
Tom Brady didn’t start.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
He started 25 games, winning 20 of them including the Citrus Bowl and the Orange Bowl.
by Phantaskippy on Dec 30, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Your
Thinking of him in high school. I don’t think he started till like his senior year.
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I was thinking of Matt Cassel. Dang. Those NE QBs…
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 31, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Couple clarifications
In reference to the Roethlisberger comparison: the word choice I used was “could,” and for good reason. Tebow runs more than scrambles, but so did McNabb coming out of Syracuse. McNabb successfully transitioned from a runner to a scrambler.
Again, word choice was important.
Also, I never mentioned anything about Tebow as a winner. I was very, very careful to just grade what I saw, and nothing more.
The McNabb comparison makes much more sense than Roethlisberger. The winner stuff I was just adding into the discussion.
by Phantaskippy on Dec 30, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
The "Winner" thing
I don’t believe that the whole "winner" thing carries into the NFL
While I will admit that a few good QBs in history have come from losing football programs I believe the vast majority have come from Winning programs. Winning is important when you are bringing a leader into the clubhouse. If you know of a list of college losing QBs that have made it big in the NFL I would like to see it.
But Tebow holds more rushing touchdowns than anyone in the SEC. Ever!! He is big and talented and fast. I’m not the biggest Tebow fan on the planet but I certainly think he is a winner. He has a very strong arm and that can’t be taught.
He might be riskier at QB than Bradford but I bet he will be healthier for a lot more years.
I can see why a team would take a chance on him in the late first and I can see waiting till the second round. I doubt he will be there in the third.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Dec 31, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow would be a great wildcat QB
Parcells has said that he thinks Tebow is a top 10 QB. Peter King reported awhile back that two GMs told him that Tebow wouldn’t make it past them in the first round. I think Parcells is one of them.
Henne isn’t all that great a QB (solid, not spectacular), and Tebow would be an incredible threat in the wildcat offense.
I don’t think he’s got the skills to succeed anywhere else, though with proper coaching technique he might.
Tebow’s biggest problem is that he’s succeeded for so long on raw skill that he hasn’t needed to develop the right fundamentals. That works for high school and college but it won’t in the pros, so unless he can develop those skills (see Young, Vince), he won’t be successful except in the right system.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
No, the Wildcat is for runningbacks like Darren McFadden and Ronnie Brown, not for QBs.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 31, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Tebow plays like a running back
He could definitely revolutionize game. He has the ability, leadership, and the arm. If you can use your staff to fix his mechanics correctly, he could be a heck of a weapon.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 1, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions
agree...
Tebow is more running back then QB.
..so for a team that wants to switch to a Dolphins type offense (or maybe the Dolphins themselves?), Tebow’s your man.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 3, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree
The wildcat is used to try to fake a defense and gain an advantage. Having a Pat White, TIm Tebow, Michael Vick type guy is doing just that, They are a threat to run as well as throw.
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IMO
There are two types of Wildcat packages. The one the Dolphins run isn’t a gimmick formation at all. It just takes the QB out of the play. The phins pull guards and run power running plays. Thats why Ronnie Brown is still the triggerman and not Pat White. White has his own package, but he rarely goes inside with the ball in his hands from what I’ve seen.
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Decent review on Tebow
It does highlight the biggest problem Tebow has: having worked in a spread option offense (where QBs running for their lives was encouraged), how is he going to transition into more pro-style systems at the NFL level?
One thing: some scouting comparisons on Tebow had him matched up as another Vince Young, not exactly Pat White. Is that a more apt comparison?
I’d say the teams that would most likely draft Tebow in the First Round would be Jacksonville (but for all the wrong reasons: it’ll be to sell season tickets for a hometown hero, not to have him run their offense), and maybe New England (didn’t some scouts say Bellichek was high on him?). Past that, I hate to say it as a Gators alum, but Tebow is more likely a Second Rounder pick to any team that will hopefully give him the year or two to work on his passing to fit a pro scheme. Sad but true.
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Tebow Doen't Have Pro Skills at QB
" Philip Rivers had some significant issues with where he held the ball and his release point prior to the 2004 draft. A great Senior Bowl and draft process elevated his draft status from 2nd rounder to high first rounder."
Well the Senior Bowl didn’t go well. He’ll get his shot at QB; I don’t think he has Pro skill at the postion.
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