Mock Draft #2
by darwithabar on Dec 5, 2009 4:34 AM EST
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Based off of standings. My mock is mine, I own it, of course SB nation has the exclusive right to show it off in all of its greatness. There are a couple picks that people may not like and I really dont care. Feel free to leave a sentence describing how bad it is (SlimShady). If its the 49ers or Chiefs pick, I firmly beleive you will be wrong and you firmly beleive I will be. Also, Any prospect that has came out and said he isnt coming out is not in my draft (Unless I didnt know). Please tell me is someone has chosen to stay in school so I know for my next. Other then that I including Underclassmen I think will come out.
1. Browns- Ndamukong Suh DT/DE- I dont think they go QB. Of Coarse they could trade this pick to the Jets for Vernon Gholston and a 5th, It is Eric Mangini. I think he sticks with Brady Quinn, and signs Suh a week before the draft.
2. Rams- Jimmy Clausen QB- Even a ND hater like myself has to admit he has played very good this year. There are a couple QBs that could go here instead but Clausen has the hype.
3. Buccaneers- Gerald McCoy DT- To me this is a potental bust pick. Im not that high on McCoy, I live Big 12 football and to me, Granger might even be better but injuries have hurt his stock.
4. Lions-Russell O'Kung LT- Bakus has been bad, He lacks the strength to hande Bull Rushers and the speed to handle speed rushers. Backus was once a good OT, Now he would have trouble making a roster as a starter. O kung is a bit overrated but stll gives Stafford a chance to breath.
5. Redsins- Anthony Davis LT- I think they resign Cambell, They have serious issues on their O line. Backus just might be able to start for them. lol
6. Raiders- Taylor Mays S- I know this is almost a cliche but its so true. Mays is a Raider.
7. The Kansas City Chiefs- Terrence Cody NT- If Berry comes out, He could be the pick but as of right now, I think its Cody. First off this is my team and Im not just putting him here because I like him. I honestly think Pioli could pick him. I would rather have his teammate McClain but Pioli always builds his d line early. I didnt like the T Jax pick at first either and he has played pretty solid.
8. Seahawks- Sam Bradford QB- Dont be so quick to think he will even be here. Long way to go before April.
9. Broncos- Rolando McClain ILB- Broncos have needs along the DL and OL too but nobody here is worth taking, Best player on the board is McClain.
10. Bills- Ryan Mallet - I think he is a beast but Ive only watched a few games. Each of them he was pretty impressive. He has NFL arm strength and accuracy. Im also not high on Jake Locker at all.
11. 49ers- Bruce Cambell OT- They need a solid OT. Bruce Cambell is a beast, I think he is the best in the draft but injuries cause him to slip.
12. 49ers- Jevean Snead QB- I know you guys might not like the pick but He will be a first day pick, He is better then Jake Locker, He lost Oher and has been under pressure. He has NFL arm strength and accuracy. After the combine, NFL GMs will see Lockers duck throwing problem and Snead will reclaim the spot. He also plays in a tougher conference then any QB in the draft projected as a first day pick.
13. Texans- Joe Haden CB- Dunta's replacement.
14. Jets- Jerry Hughes OLB- I dont see them going WR.
15. Miami- Sergio Kindle OLB- They need a future replacement for the two aging vets.
16. Titans- Carlos Dunlap DE-He slips because of the off the field issues, The Titans get a steal.
17. Steelers- Morgan Burnett S- The steelers take Burnett, They might not make the playoffs because of the injuries.
18. Jaguars- Derrick Morgan DE- Jags need a pass rush.
19. Falcons- Greg Hardy DE- Same as Jags, Hardy is the best player on the board.
20. Giants- Earl Thomas- They neeed to help in their secondary. Edited- Arthur Jones DT- I guess Thomas is staying in school. They have some FA DT, He gets plugged in because I dont want to waste time thinking.
21. Ravens- Brandon Spikes ILB- They replace Bart Scott and have the future replacment for Ray Lewis.
22. Seahawks- Brian Bulaga LT- They should have made this pick sometime in the last 3 years. Walter Jones was amazing while he lasted.
23. Cardinals- Charles Brown OT- AZ needs an OT bad. Gandy isnt working out.
24. Cowboys- Trent Williams- This is a tuff pick, I think they need an o linemen but I dont see a LT on the board worth the pick, So they settle for Williams who is falling after a bad year. I think he will struggle at LT and this might be a reach. Edited- Dez Bryant WR- I cant beleive I forgot him, please feel free to make fun of me, Unless you have Lawrence Marsch in your mock draft.
25. Packers- Jason Fox OT-Aaron Rodgers hardly gets 3 seconds to throw sometimes. Still, he has been balling out of control, imagine what he could do with time. Again, I think this is a reach pick but desperate teams take desperate measures.
26. Eagles- Travis Lewis LB-Eagles signed Trotter back this year because they were so thin.
27. Patriots- Von Miller OLB- The Patriots seriously lack a rush OLB. Banta-Cain is awesome deapth but he isnt a sure fire starter. But I think him and Von Miller would sure that posistion up.
28. Bengals- Trent Williams OT- You can never have enough O Line men, I dont know if they even need him but its a good value pick.
29. Chargers- Damian Williams WR- This kid is a serious route runner. I love him.
30. Vikings- Jake Locker QB- Vikings think they get a steal but he will be a bust.
31. Colts- Sean Wetherspoon OLB- I really think the Colts would go OT if a good one like Bulaga or Brown were on the board.
32. Saints- Navarro Bowman LB- This could be Mike Iupati, For some reason I could see them letting Evans walk if they got the opurtunity to draft a very good OG.
*Round2*
33. Rams- Joesph Barksdale OT- Rams replace Barron early.
34. Buccaneers- Golden Tate WR- Best WR on the board.
35. Browns- CJ Spiller RB-Best player on the board.
36. Lions- Ras-I Dowling CB/S- I think he will play S for the Lions. This gives them a very good start at rebuilding their secondary.
37. The Chiefs- Mike Iupati OG- Look, this is as far as he falls. Feel free to argue this pick because he will probably go alot earlier. Above Average Pass Blocker and a Great Run Blocker. Davin Joseph Clone.
38. Raiders- Everson Griffin DE- Replacement for Seymour or his counterpart.
39. Redskins- Gabe Carimini OT- Like earlier, The Redskins need OTs. This gives them 2 bookends.
40. Buccaneers- Allen Bailey DT-He is shooting up draft boards so he might not even be here.
41. Bills- Ciron Black OT-Bills have some young talent on their o line, but not much.
42. Seahawks- Patrick Robinson CB- He could fall but he is a good cover corner. Trufant isnt getting younger either.
43. Texans- Jonathan Dwyer RB- Texans fans might say they dont need him, but they also dont think they need a replacment for Amobi.
44. Panthers- Dan LeFevour QB- To me he is the 5th best QB in the draft behing Snead, Mallet, Bradford, Clausen.
45. Miami- Jermaine Gresham TE-Miami has a bunch of 2nd tier WRs. Ted Ginn is not the number 1 they thought he would be, or they knew he wouldnt be for all the booers on draft day. Henne will have a huge target to get the ball to.
46. Jets- Demaryius Thomas WR- This kid is good, In the big 12 or SEC or even any other offense he would be alot more effective.
47. Pats(TEN)- Mike Pouncey OG- I think he could go higher, He is picked here to replace Logan Mankins.
48. 49ers- Kris O Dowd C- I just dont see him falling, I dont even know if the 49ers need him but his strength will allow him to play C/G and I know they need o line help. Something Snead does not have at Ole Miss
49. Patriots- Jared O Drick DE/DT- Perfect size for a 3-4 DE.
50. The KC Chiefs- Eric Norwood OLB- A perfect replacement for Vrabel even if he sits for half the season, probably would start from day one if they dont resign Vrabel.
51. Giants- Greg Jones LB- Giants need help on defense. Crazy because earlier in the year, people would say they had "zero needs" on this very site. Crazy how things change.
52. Steelers- Phil Taylor NT- Hamptons replacement but it is very hard to mock the Steelers. They will take the player that is on the top of their board even if he has to sit a year or two.
53. Ravens- Trevard Lindley CB- Big and physical, gives them someone to play with Foxworth or whoever.
54. Broncos- Javier Aremas CB- Even though the Broncos secondary is very good they are old.
55. Cardinals- Marvin Austin- Cardinals add a a 3-4 DE to help free up LB to get to the QB.
56. Cowboys- Quan Sturdivant LB- Cowboys add a talented LB to their defense.
57. Packers- Nate Solder LT- Solder is a very good pass blocker. He is 6'9 and runs a 4.8, Thats just ridiculous.
58. Eagles- Brandon Graham DE- Eagles add grahm to play oppisite Cole.
59. Patriots- Javid Best RB- I know the Pats dont need a RB, but Best is the best player on the board.
60. Bengals- Chad Jones S- Bengals need a S, Jones could go higher.
61. Chargers- Vince Oghobasse DE/NT- The Chargers wont ever win a SB in San Diego, And they will never win one without a good DL. I hate you Chargers. If you ask John (obviouslygay) He would tell you this is a good pick.
62. Saints- Sean Lee ILB- This guy is underrated, He is a tackling machine. The Saints get a big steal here.
63. Vikings- TJ Ward S- Ward is underrated. Vikings get a good player late in the 2nd.
64. Colts- Selvish Capers OT- Colts add an Ot to replace Ugoh. Ugoh has been ok but never lived up to his pick.
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Wow
100% of the voters thought I did better then you, Just remenber that before you reply:)
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
um, you didn't really give the "voter much of a choice
A few thing’s I noticed with your mock, I’m just going to do the first round and the Panthers selections.
- overall: Anthony Davis is more of a right tackle than a LT, and most definitely not top ten material. The Redskins will add another Campbell at that spot with Bruce, he is one of the best pure LT’s to come out in recent years.
- overall: I actually like this pick, NT is the key to the 3-4. Nobody thought that Jackson would be the pick last year, but Pioli is building a replica of his defense in NE.
- overall Jevan Snead was one of my favorite players coming into the season, but he has REALLY struggled with his accuracy this season. It is a flat out lie to say he has been accurate, sorry. The Niners could take Haden here, and STILL get Snead in the second round.
A few minor things, Fox may be a reach, but OT is a need for nearly every team. I don’t think all those 3-4 OLB’s go in the first, it has been a tough position to evaluate these past few years. And I think Locker will be a great NFL QB. He needs work, but he reminds me of Josh Freeman, who has had quite a bit of success.
okay, that formatted weird.
I forgot the Panthers pick, they won’t take LeFevour, at least not in the second. At this point, they’d probably take a WR, or Marvin Austin. Maybe even a LB. But with the QB talent on the board, they can wait until the third.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 5, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
They cant wait until the third to get a good QB
Also, I didnt say Snead has been accurate this year, He has had issue but not with accuracy. He has had a problem with decision making. He still has the combine to show he is the best QB in the class. He has been underpressure hard core this year, mostly because of the O line problems. Also, The vote was a joke.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Jake Locker reminds you of Josh Freeman?!?!?!
Ok, Whatever you say, People will reach for OT every year, So I dont see what your point is. Also, look at all the 3-4 OLB that have gone in the draft the last 2 years. Also, Its not that hard of a posistion to judge. Their are busts at every posistion.
About Anthony Davis @ LT- Its not set in stone he will play RT in the pros and his stock is sky rosketing. Its not even a sure thing that O Kung will come off the board first. He can play LT fine. He has improved his pass blocking skills dramatically.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
You said Snead has NFL arm strength and accuracy
Arm strength I can agree with, from what I’ve seen his accuracy is lacking. I’m not knocking him at all, if he were available when Carolina picked I’d take him in a heartbeat. He just hasn’t shown the skillset of a first round pick this season.
I don’t question that Carolina needs a QB, but with who is available in your mock (LeFevour, McCoy, Pike), we can wait and fix another need.
I’m not questioning the pick of Fox, I just think it is a little bit of a reach.
Davis has the skillset of a RT, not so much of a LT. Not saying he couldn’t play either, but the Redskins would be better off with Campbell, a TRUE LT.
Look at the first round 3-4 OLB’s taken the past few years. Gholston, bust, Timmons, bust, moved inside and is looking good, Spencer, bust, not looking great atm. There’s more I’m sure that I can’t think of. Not many college teams play the 3-4, so you are looking at 4-3 OLB’s and DE’s to see who can make the transition to rushing and covering in space. It is hard to evaluate that, which is why I think rush linebacker will be a second round target, rather than a first.
Locker/Freeman. Similar build, mobility, situation (not much talent for a supporting cast), pro style system, and arm strength. Locker’s arm isn’t as big as Freeman’s, but he makes better decisions. Both are fairly accurate.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 6, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
This year Davis has been great in pass protection
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 6, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think I said he was
He’s looking like another good Piitsburgh linebacker.
Davis looks a little sluggish to be a LT, he may be an alright pass blocker, but LT won’t be playing to his strengths. I’m not knocking Davis as a player, he’s probably a good one, but Campbell is a better fit for the ’Skins.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 7, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
Timmons didn't earn his way onto the field
after being selected with a first round pick. He wasn’t a fit at OLB, but he is going to be a great ILB.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 8, 2009 5:31 AM EST up reply actions
No I think his transition to ILB was planned
If it wasn’t why was Woodley drafted in the second round?
Did they know what they had in Harrison?
Either that or OLB’s are like DE’s, you can never have too many.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 9, 2009 6:42 AM EST up reply actions
Probably can't have too many...
but you also need 2.
Harrison, while beast mode, can only man one side.
"It ain't over till its over"---
While we knew we had something in him we didn't know he'd be this good
I still believe we drafted Timmons to be a 3-4 ILB and Woodley to be a 3-4 OLB since Woodley was a DE in a 4-3 scheme in college, while was a OLB in a 4-3 scheme.
Not really
I dont know where you getting that he is set in stone @ RT but he isnt. He is probably gonna move to the left side. He plays RT because they have a guy a LT. He has qucik feet, Quick hand, and he is strong. He even excells at blocking speed rushers instead of bull rushers so he is more suited for the Left side. Last year he had problems but he has corrected it.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Okay dar
I say he’s a RT, you say he’s a LT, we’ll wait and see.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 8, 2009 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
Im just wondering what makes you think he cant play LT
HE is a good pass blocker, Good Run Blocker, Very strong, Aboce average feet quickness.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Well I disagree with the feet and pass blocking
But again, we’ll see. We’re so opposite on this we have to wait for actual proof, debating it further will go nowhere.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 9, 2009 6:43 AM EST up reply actions
He is an Elite LT in College this season
One of the best in the Country, If he doesnt come out this year he will probably be a top 3 pick next year. I just dont see your arguement. Maybe if you gave me an instant or game where he showed “lazy feet”
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I'm done discussing this
We’re not going to change each others mind, wait till the draft.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 12, 2009 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
Andre Smith...
the fat, lazy dude, would’ve been a LT if not for the Bengals already having a very good LT, which I’m not sure they knew if Whitworth was as good as he is, or even Collins was as good as he is for depth.
Anthony Davis, even tho he is MASSIVE, doesn’t mean he’s not a LT.
Not all LT’s are Bulaga sized.
There’s a lot of gigantic fats playing LT.
He absolutly demolished 2 potential pro DE’s in JPP and George Selvie.
A ‘fat lazy footed’ OT is not gonna stop a speed rusher like that.
Davis is legit. I think he’s gonna give Russel Okung a run for his money as the top LT in the draft.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 12, 2009 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
?
What?
Giants need to replace KP, he is not what they thought?
Really…..?
…p.s., I like Earl Thomas on the Gints anyway, in round 2 were gonna see if they really do nee to draft a LB cuz Jon Goff is gonna play. They don’t need another linebacker this high if he plays like they think he can.
I’d rather them go with Vince Oghobasse or even Phil Taylor (Giants need to get fatter on the D line)
"It ain't over till its over"---
KP is horrible is pass coverage bro
They need help on the D line and secondary though so will see
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
KP hasn't played since week 2
where he had 2 INT’s.
Kenny Phillips was actually damn good in pass coverage. He was so good that they only signed CC Brown as their backup, cuz Phillips could cover the whole deep field when they’d use CC Brown on running downs.
I’m kind of hoping your thinking of CC Brown.
Cuz saying Kenny Phillips is horrible in pass coverage is like saying Chris Johnson is slow.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Thats not what I see
Their secondary needs help, Thats all I know. I also know he might be out of football. Also, He is a SS, How good could he be in coverage that would make you say he is awesome. Also, Int do not tell how good someone is in coverage at all. Your a giants fan, You obviously watch more games then me. In the games I watched, He looked like he was slow and struglling in coverage.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Maybe I have him mixed up with someone though
I quite possibly could but every Giants fan I know says they need a replacement for their S.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
yes..
we do.
But not for Kenny Phillips. For Michael Johnson maybe. For depth too.
If we had Kenny Phillips….the GIants would be a completely different team.
"It ain't over till its over"---
.......
you didn’t watch him this year…CUZ HE’S NOT PLAYING!.
He is not going to be out of football. If not for the ignorant IR rule, he’s probably be coming back around now.
Phillps was the lynchpin to the Giants D. He was all over the field. I’m not sure how much better they’d be, but considering how bad CC Brown has been and how gaping the middle of the field is….he would’ve helped exponentially.
Last year, he didn’t play as much as he should’ve cuz there was no need to.
Phillips is NOT slow..and NOT sluggish.
I really…really…really hope your thinking of CC Brown, Aaron Rouse, or even Michael Johnson….. cuz you have not a single clue on what your talking about on Kenny Phillips. Not one.
Yes…he’s a SS. He also was very good in deep coverage (…hence, the 2 INT’s, big hits, passes defended…etc).
…..BTW, I like the Earl Thomas pick for the Giants. He’s a playmaker back there and him plus KP, would make for a potentially excellent safety tandem.
"It ain't over till its over"---
The Ints dont mean anything
No offense but you also told me earlier on my other mock draft that the Gianst didnt have a need. Ive heard he is out of football forever and his career is over. I know earl thomas isnt his replacment because Thomas is a FS.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
.....
I told you the Giants don’t have any needs…back in week 4 or something like that.
They don’t hold the draft in week 4.
Back then, no..it didn’t seem like they did
Going 1-5 in your last 6 games exposes things.
Kenny Phillips is not out of football forever as far as KENNY PHILLIPS SAYS HIMSELF.
The Giants don’t play SS and FS anyway…Either or plays deep coverage or run coverage.
Its why they had 2 safeties with similar size in KP and Michael Johnson.
And INT’s don’t mean anything? They don’t mean everything, but they sure as hell indicate someone is making plays…which Phillips was doing and which the Giants are devoid of doing right now.
"It ain't over till its over"---
I say he's good in coverage....
cuz he breaks up passes, the middle of the field is not a gaping hole..and he makes plays (like INT’s…)
"It ain't over till its over"---
Ive seen him handle TE adequatly
bUT i DEFINITLY WOULDNT SAY HE EXCELLS IN PASS COVERAGE. i CHANGED IT ANYWAYS JUST TO MAKE YOU HAPPY
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Sorry about the caps
Dont know how I didnt see that
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
....
its still wrong.
does he excell in pass coverage? No, that’s why he’s a safety (and a was a second year player getting better).
He is damn good for a safety in pass coverage tho.
Saying “the Giants need to replace Kenny Philips—-he’s not what they thought”…is like saying the Giants didn’t get what they wanted in Hakeem Nicks.
Its just flat out false.
I have no problem with them drafting a safety…and Earl Thomas would be a good pick (little small tho…)…but the Giants most definitely got what they wanted with Kenny Phillips.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Fans
Usaully think their players are worth more then other people. Its just how it is.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Believe me...
I am not being a homer on this one.
I’m also not trying to get pissed at how ludicrous this is saying that KP is “horrible” and they need to replace him.
I’ve stated what most over on BBV will tell you. There is no way anyone who follows the GIants, or even those that hate the Giants (Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins) and their fans…will tell you that Kenny Phillips is horrible at anything.
They’ll pretty much tell you what I’ve been saying.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Well my bad
Maybe I have him mixed up or something, And I probably do because I watched this year and you said he didnt even play that much.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
its all good...
just before you make a statement like that, go and do some research.
Yes the safties needs help…but its because Kenny Phillips is NOT there…not because of anything he’s done on the field.
He’s probably coming back too, but that’s barring any setbacks as he rehabs.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Every time Ive seen him play he hasnt been that good in coverage
Trust me I think I do more research on the actual picks then most anyone. However, I did look up a couple Ginats fans opinion on KP after you responded and it seems to me that he is a good Safety. Also, The research and fact about his injury are that its serious. So I dont know if he is coming back or not, I took that into account when I made the pick.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
Even if he comes back and is 100%
I can see the Giants going safety, especially if Earl Thomas is available.
Take a gander at Jason Witten’s stats in that 2nd game of the year. Take a look at Dallas’ overall numbers from that game. Phillips was all over the field.
In the first game against Washington, 1/2 of their passing yards were in garbage time.
The GIants defense this year was designed with Phillips being an all around safety in mind.
Its no doubt that once they started playing teams that could exploit the weakness at safety, that it was and killed them.
Phillips from all that I’ve seen…actually was better in deep help coverage than he was at the run.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Take it from a Panthers fan
Phillips is a heck of a player, and his absence has effected the entire Giants D. SS/FS doesn’t determine how well you cover, it’s just a position, some teams don’t even have a specific SS/FS, they just play a safety.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 6, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Weatherspoon responce copypasta
if the Colts think he could be a T-2 MLB either right away for after a couple years playing OLB and learning from a resigned Gary Brackett, then it’s a totally possible, but I really doubt they’ll spend a first rounder at OLB given that they haven’t spent higher than a late 3rd on a LB since pre-Dungy (2001) and it’s easier than ever for them to retain LBs with the Tampa-2 out of style right now.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
I just looked at the weakest part of their team which is O line
There wasnt anyone there worth taking so I looked to the next weakest part which is the LBs. I think they have both OLB going into FA. Gary Brackett needs to be replace but again I didnt see anyone worth it. Also, I really dont think their drafting history makes a big difference since they have a new coach so who knows. So I went with the best player on the board.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
the guys currently starting are both back next year
Tyjuan Hagler (who started until going on IR) and Freddy Keiaho (a former starter who is now the backup MLB) will be FAs, but both were FAs last year and drew no interest.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
and the coach is new, but the GM is the same and the defensive scheme hasn't changed very much.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
triple post score
Like the Capers pick, but Ugoh was benched in camp. Charlie Johnson and Ryan Diem are the starting tackles. Johnson would probably be better at RT, but could stay at LT ok. Diem needs to move to guard or be cut.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Why don’t the Colts and Vikings get 2nd round picks? I never want to hear I don’t have Iupati high enough after seeing Snead that high.
By the way you do know now that the 1st round is on Thursday and round 2/3 on Friday and the rest on Saturday right? I’m just tired of hearing the term first day pick, second day pick. It’s out the damn window. Not really directed toward you just people in general.
Draft guru in training.
Yeah when I say day 1 I mean round 1
Of course I know they changed it. Also, You have Lawrence Marsch going in the 2nd round of yours so whats your point he is a 4-5th round guy. Snead will go on day one round one. Scouts see the O line play is bad for Ole Miss. I mean hell, I see it. He can throw as far as anyone else in the draft and he is just as accurate. If the Chiefs let him slip by them in the 2nd with one of their picks I would be pissed Matt Cassell or not.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
His accuracy is not there yet
He needs work, crappy O-line or not, that’s what he’s going to get in KC.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 6, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Thats not true
He shows great accuracy this year, Its his decision making dude. Have you even watched a game?
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I watched the South Carolina game where he repeatedly sailed the ball, and threw behind receivers. Granted he was under pressure from Norwood all night, but he had some bootlegs with no pressure and he missed some wide open guys. Snead sucks.
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I saw the South Carolina game as well
Same thing, though I’m not as critical. I think he could be good, with some work. I’m not taking him #12 overall though.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 7, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
Earliest
I would take him is second round, and I’m not sure I would even take him then. There are plenty of developmental quarterbacks in this draft, no need to take one who is going to have to hold a clipboard for a few years high.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Dude you two are crazy
Snead is a developmental guy, NFL teams dont think like you guys though, They draft for Character and Intangibles. Sbead has better intangibles then most any QB in the draft besides Clausen. You guys are way off. In a down year he has thrown for 2464 yds and 20 TDs with a QB rating of 127 point something. He is going to go in the first round.
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If he had all those intagibles then why did he have so many interceptions
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 7, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
cuz his WR as smurfs and his LT and former #1 WR are in the NFL.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Have you watched a game?
He is under pressure all the time. If you go back and look at his games where he got protection he is much better. It just is so obvious to me when I watch Ole Miss. We will see, A big Bowl Game and he could be going even higher.
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Aight
After Ole Miss’ bowl game we can talk about this again. Oklahoma State did shut down another SEC team, the same one with Heisman hopeful Joe Cox. So they must be good competition, right?
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Obviously they are decent competition
Although Mizzou burned them in the first half of their game pretty bad. But they have Parish Cox who will get drafted and a decent pass rush. We will see. I dont even know if he will come out. I dont know if he lost a year of eligbilty when he transfered.
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They played good againt georgia
I dont know what you want him to do. Were talking about him having a good bowl game, so If he doesnt then its because Okie St. has a bad defense? Doesnt sound fair to me.
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by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
They also look for accuracy and arm strength
Snead has the arm, but not the accuracy. NFL teams also are wary of guys who have struggled in college, typically that means they will struggle in the NFL. Now don’t blow that up, I think Snead will be a great QB, but he needs some seasoning on the bench, and teams won’t want to risk tens of millions of dollars on a commodity that is risky like Snead. First round is out of the question, Snead is too risky of a prospect for teams to invest in. Early second round is where he will go.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 8, 2009 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
First off
You dont get a huge contract outside of the top ten. And, Snead has no problem with accuracy. Thats one of his strengths actually. He is under alot of pressure. If he comes out and kicks ass in their bowl, he will be a first round pick. Im sure he will tear up Okie States secondary also. Watch him in the bowl and tell me he has a problem with accuracy. He is more accurate with the deep ball then Clausen(Clausen is good but his deep balls float, sneads dont) Thats the reason I think he will go so high. NFL teams love QBs that can throw the deep ball. He can.
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Jamarcus Russell
Can throw the deep ball as well.
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-Akrobatik
Bad comparison though
Russell struggled with his accuracy his whole college career. Thats not the case with Snead. Also, Russel had 3 WR that went on to be drafted. How many does Snead have that will be drafted this year? Also, Do you remenber watching LSU’s o line that year. They were solid. Im not saying Snead is the next Brett Farve but he is a better player then this year would show. Your an SEC fan you should know that.
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I Wasn't
Comparing the two directly as players. All I’m saying is just because a player has a big arm doesn’t mean he is going to be successful at the next level.
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-Akrobatik
Agreed McCluster is pretty good
Hodge is solid, but his the talent around him doesnt compare to QBs like Locker, Clausen, or even Mallet.
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by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Who Does
Locker have? Last time I checked Washington isn’t overflowing with talent.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Name me one NFL quality player Washington has
Snead has Mcluster. Locker has………. ; )
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 13, 2009 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Jermaine Kearse is pretty good but he is young
Aguilar is alos pretty talented. Im not gonna say either is as talented as McCluseter but their both sophmores and very talented. Also, Pac 10 defenses are a joke compared to the defenses Ole Miss Plays. but nice try
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by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Also, They both will get drafted
He also has a couple lineman that will probably get drafted.
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by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Snead has Jerry, McCluster, and Hodge. All will get drafted
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 14, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Still Slim
Washingtons OL is way better. Ole Miss has a horrible O Line going against way better Talent. Skill players make no difference if you dont have guys blocking for you.
With the growth of contracts each year
and the fact you have him at 12 he will be paid more than his performance warrants. I’ll watch, if I can, and come back, but you seem to think I don’t think he’s a good player, that’s wrong. He’ll be a great quarterback, just not a first rounder.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 9, 2009 6:45 AM EST up reply actions
How can you make that statment honestly.
I saw some people in your 1st round that have never even been considered a first rounder. Tim Tebow has proven he cant throw the football but you think he will go over a pure passer like Snead????
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by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'll give you Arenas and McCoy
Both are questionable first rounders and I was at loss for others, but the NFL is a business, and Tebow is a purely business pick for the Jags. NFL teams will be hesitant to take Snead in the first and pay him first round money as a result because he has struggled this season. The reason’s for struggling won’t concern them, he struggled, as a result he won’t be a first rounder.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 12, 2009 6:31 AM EST up reply actions
Thats not true
If he struggles at the combine then yeah but Teams wont shy away from him for having a bad season that much if he makes up for it in the combine. If that was the case, Bradford would be in the same boat. Do you have him in your first round?
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by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
He threw 17 picks
Teams won’t want to pay for that kind of downside, even if the upside is sizable.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 14, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
People really need to learn about the draft if your gonna make mocks
The 12th pick does not get paid that much at all. Like I said, Brandon Alberts got picked in the teens and makes 4 million over 3 years or something
Bradford did bad because of injuries. Snead did bad because of lack of skill.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 14, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Your crazy Slim
To say that proves you either A) Know nothing about evaluating talent or B) are just looking for trouble. Either one is pathetic.
Really, Based off one game you say he sucks
Ok, Enough said I guess.
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Yeah
A primetime game that Ole Miss needed to win to stay in the SEC West race. I’m pretty sure great quarterbacks at the next level perform their best in the most important games. I have others in which he sucked it up as well. Against Auburn, my college team, he threw two picks, both when Ole Miss was attempting a comeback, and completed 45% of his passes. At this time of the season Auburn’s pass rush was struggling, and Ole Miss had their running game churning out yards.
Another was Miss. State. Against their instate rival, so another important game, he threw three TDs, but also three interceptions. Snead had four three TD games. In two of those he threw three picks as well. The other two were very hard matchups… UAB and Southeastern Louisiana.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Exactly in the Miss Stae game
He had protection early and did good. His line broke down and he didnt have a second. Snead would have a much better year if his line pass blocked better and his WR got seperation. Even in the UAB game he was under pressure hard core against soft comp.
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He Wasn't
Sacked in the UAB game.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Snead hardly gets sacked ever
And thats because he gets rid of the football fast, Ive stated that in a different post. He is a pro style QB, He can read a defense pretty good, better then his TD to INt ratio would show. He was under pressure during the game.
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by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
I Believe You
But even the most mobile quarterbacks get sacked if their is enough pressure. So not getting sacked means he may have been hurried, but it wasn’t bad enough to mess up his game.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Everyone would have a better year if their O-line would block
by Flowing Willow on Dec 9, 2009 6:47 AM EST up reply actions
Of Coarse They Would
You know this, I know this, And Scouts know this.
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by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
You missed my point
At some point, a player’s natural talent takes over and the O-line stops being an excuse. A good O-line helps everyone, but the truly great can thrive even without a great one.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 12, 2009 6:32 AM EST up reply actions
Thats so wrong in the SEC
If you dont have a good o line you wont be good, period. Does Sneads O line excuse all his picks? No. Most of them? Probably.
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by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Also, About the missing picks
I tried to Edit it but couldnt figure out how
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I dont see why the 49ers would pick Snead
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 5, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions
Why Not?
He is one of the best QB in the Draft. Just because he has had a bad year doesnt mean anything. Scouts will see the pressure he is under. I think your the type of person who looks at stats and determines who is better. If you ever watched an Ole Miss game then you would see how much time he has to throw.
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Snead would be better for the, in round 2 or possibly 3.
I dunno about you, but I can’t see Snead going in round one unless he has a whole bunch of incredible offseason workouts…and/or the other QB’s don’t count.
The Niners could very well draft a QB and it could be Snead…..but as of right now, looking at Snead there is no need to go for him in round 1, especially at #12.
"It ain't over till its over"---
See what I said to him
The Scouts see that he has been under pressure all year. Im not an Ole Miss fan or anything, Ive just watched them a lot this year. Every game Ive watched he has done good when he was protected. Ususaully they would protect him for the first qt or 2 and then it would break down. He will be a first round pick in my eyes. If my team passed on him with their 2nds I would be pissed for sure. He has all the physical tools which NFL scouts look for. No way someone as talented as him falls to the 3rd round.
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true.
I guess you said the same thing in the mock.
Its just right now, Snead’s thrown a lot of ducks himself too so before the offseason, I don’t see him being a first rounder (tho..maybe to the Vikings…)
Yet, the talent is there and he probably could’ve gone right at #12 or so last year.
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Thats what Im saying
I dont think he is ready to start day one, but after a year he should be ok. He has been sacked 13 times this year and he is good at avoiding sacks. A non mobile QB would have to been sacked 25 times this year. Something is definitly wrong with him but I think he will show he has the Physical Tools in the combine.
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You're right
3rd round would be obscene, as is first round. The Niners can take him and Joe Haden in the 2nd and first according to your mock, and pay him less to boot.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 6, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
Smith will be the starter next year for the Niners
Raye is high on him, Singletary is high on him. Smith has started to get into a rythmn with Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree.
Smith may not be the starter in 2011 (depends on how he does in 2010), but he’s there for at least one more year.
My guess is that if Berry slips to us with our first pick we grab him, and with our second we grab the best OT available. If Berry isn’t available I can see us going OT with the first and Guard with the second.
So Snead having a bad year doesn’t mean anything but Travis Lewis having a bad year means no 1st round?
Draft guru in training.
I have him in Rd 1, Dont know where you got that idea
Lewis is having a bad year, Snead is having a bad year. The difference is Snead’s play is affected by the players around him more then Lewis, Also, Snead was predicted to be a top 10 pick off of last years play. Im not saying that makes a difference but it will be tooken into consideration that he lost important people on the offense.
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“Just because he has had a bad year doesnt mean anything”
Umm… I would how you play DOES mean something
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 5, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
So Your Saying
He can have a bad year on the field, but as long as you do well in off-season shorts workouts, you can become a first round pick?
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
? You've been skipping out on the draft past few years?
Well..maybe not “bad” year…but you sure as hell can have a Snead like season and have a great offseason of workouts and improve your draft stock.
Happens every year.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 5, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I was being sarcastic
I know it happens every year, and that usually how busts come about. I prefer to have players who actually perform in games, not at the combine. I’d much rather have Clausen or Mallett over Snead is all I’m saying. The same goes for Jaguars needs. I’d rather have Derrick Morgan over Carlos Dunlap.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
We're trying to get the GT fans into our Jaguars camp
So we want Morgan burnett :)
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Derrick Morgan doesn't have a huge GT following?
cuz uh…they on the same team!
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 6, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I know
Me personally I like Morgan Burnett the most out of all the GT players coming out. I’m fine with Derrick Morgan too
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Ok, Look at Sneads stats please
His team has a winning record and while his stats arent great he isnt havoing a horrible year.
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Where is Dez Bryant?
No Brandon LaFell not that I’m high on him just rarely see him falling out the 2nd round
Draft guru in training.
LOL I must have forgot about him lol
That is my bad, Hey Lawrence Marsch is in your second round, Did you see how he played last night? Lol just as bad my friend.
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Lewis in the 1st. Did you see Lewis the last 3 games? Do you even watch OU, or are you an OU fan? Im being serious because he hasnt played that good. Im a Mizzou fan and I dont even think Spoon will go in the first because of how he has played this season.
Thought you might like to look at your own quote
Draft guru in training.
Yeah I though about it and couldnt find a better pick
I think he will go at the top of the 2nd or late 1st. You had him higher I do beleive, I could be wrong, Lawrence Marsch.
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dwb Backus is not the problem with the Lions O line.
Their problem is a horrific defensive unit. They need a playmaking D lineman like Suh or McCoy. Even Berry might be a better value than Okung.
A Guard in the second round would help a lot more than replacing our best, yes best, lineman.
An argument for a LT
Right now, STafford can’t afford to be hit. It hurts his development, and can possibly injure him more severely than earlier this season. Ask Pennington, a few hits to the wrong shoulder and your new nickname is noodle arm. Protecting Stafford is the #1 priority, he’s the $70 mil future of the franchise, you can’t afford to have him bust. There are other ways to upgrade the defense, later rounds, FA. You may have to sacrifice one season of defense for the long term future of your QB.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 6, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
Every QB will get hit. Nobody has perfect protection.
And the Lions biggest hole on the O line is not at LT. Backus is a better than average LT from what i have seen this year. The Lions problems are at Guard, especially left Guard, RT, and their blocking from TEs, and the FB. The TE is a rookie [Pettigrew] and the FB [Felton] is an oversized tailback learning how to play fullback.
Using the first pick [#4 or #3 overall] on an LT is not going to help a great deal in 2010 or 2011.
If your line is good
You don’t need to max protect with tight ends and fullbacks.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
You're right, pressure is part of the game
However Stafford has been beat up more than most other QB’s, an elite LT like Okung will shore up your O-line, move Backus inside, develop Cherilus, I like Raoila, which leaves a hole on defense and at guard, which is where FA and the later rounds come in. Now you’re not going to fill every hole this offseason, you might, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Which leaves another reasonably high pick to continue to build a solid winner, and a LT is more condusive to that than going defense.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 7, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
Backus lacks the strength to play guard.
Are you kidding? Backus is done after this year or next. He is bad @ LT and lacks the strength to be moved inside. Point Proved right here. You don’t know what your talking about.
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Move him inside and see
The Lions are still drafting a guard anyways.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 8, 2009 5:40 AM EST up reply actions
Gee dar, can you use your crystal ball to pick some lottery winners for me?
Maybe you don’t know the difference between blocking a DE and a DT. Its nice to see that you are so receptive to other peoples opinions. Especially when they watch the player on a regular basis and you don’t. Sorry, I forgot about your magic crystal ball. Get a clue.
Obviously you dontq
OG are stronger then LTs period. LT have quicker f eet and are more athletic usually. I have watched Backus alot. He has given up 35 sacks in the last 4 seasons which is good for the worst in the league. He is the LT for the worst OL in the league the last 4 years, I dont think I need a crystal ball to see how bad he is. Also, Im not the only person who doesnt think he could move to OG, Alot of Detroit sports talk personalities think the same. Type in Backus moves to Guard and see wht your fine. My point is Im not the only one who thinks this. Alot of Lions fans think he cant too.
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lol
Backus is not strong enough to handle DT and NTs. I cant beleive so many people are defending one of the worst LT statistically in history.
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A Finesse Guard
Now Im Done
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by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Do you want Stafford to end up like Carr?
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 6, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Baskus is your best linemen??
Yeah right bro, No way.
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How many Lions games have you seen dwb?
ProFootballFocus has him as one of the top eight LTs in the NFL. I don’t think that is far from wrong. I don’t understand these guys that think an LT solves all your O line issues. There are four other guys and the FB and TE that contribute a lot to the overall line play. A second round Guard like Iupati or Mike Johnson will help a lot more than Okung with the #4 pick..
Since your a Lions fan...
and obviously not moron fan….I’d think your word means a lot.
If Backus is not bad as a LT, as you say…then yea, someone like Iupati would be very good for ya.
Lions could benefit from a power run game.
Johnson I think has benefited a lot from an incredible O-Line scheme as well as great players along that line.
Iupati would probably be a good choice if he falls in the 2nd round…if he falls.
I had no idea how big this dude is…he may go in the 20’s in round one.
"It ain't over till its over"---
You say that RT and guard is a problem. If you have Okung, you get better at LT and wherever you move Backus to
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 6, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
moving a player to a different position along the line...
only moves a downgrade to a different portion.
There’s no saying Backus will be better anywhere else.
Plus, the Lions D is more worrisome.
Suh….they need.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
There's no saying he won't be better
Travelle Wharton, moves inside from LT to LG, helps Double Trouble become, well, Double Trouble.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 7, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Backus does not look like a Guard type to me. He would be undersized and he is not a power blocker.
Why not get a second round Guard who would still be a great upgrade and a great DT rather than a good LT and a good DT?
Because LT is arguably the second most important position in football.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 7, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
If the rest of your O line stinks it does not matter how good your LT is.
Not to mention a horrible defence. This is getting ridiculous. People seem to think that LTs are the fairy godmothers of football. Get a great one and all your problems disappear. I don’t see any scouts comparing Okung to Pace or Jones or Munoz. He is not a sure fire Hall of Famer according to anyone. He is just the best of this years LTs, which a number of people keep saying is not a very good or deep group.
LOL!
’fairy godmothers of football". Good stuff.
Makes a lot of sense too.
If Backus is not atrocious, which he’s not, why invests such a high pick in one?
Could easily get a very good OG in round 2 correct, especially if Iupati falls right in your laps.
2nd round guard would cost about $30+ million less guaranteed that a Top 5 pick on a LT like Okung.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Bradshaw Dont let him convince you Backus is good
He has given up more then 30+ sacks since 2006, Im pretty sure its close to the top of the league.
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I'll trust a Lions fan...
He knows what he’s talking about with the Lions.
If Backus was a true POS…he’d say.
They could replace him, yea, but defense is more of a need (and passing on Suh…everyone that passes on Suh is a moron of an organization) and getting a great Guard is cheaper and could help more.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thats not true
Fans put their players on pedestals. Alot of NFL fans would call dorsey a bust but KC fans dont think he is. Any LT that allows an average of 10 sacks a year is bootom of the league bad. He is horrible. I watch football, I can judge an O linemen better then any posistion I think. But with him you dont even have to because its right there.
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If you think of all fans of teams
as unknowledgable fools who just follow ESPN or what the general media thinks of their team…you have a lot to learn about fans I guess.
I’ve went back and forth with Northleft more than a few times, he’s not just gonna say Backus is good cuz ProFootballTalk says he is.
If the guy is not a problem, and is merely average, I’d take his word for it.
You ever think that he allows 10 sacks a year cuz the QB is a fool/rookie who doesn;’t know how to avoid one? Or mayb the Guard is on IR and the backup is a POS?
Or maybe th RB is a rook and has no idea how to pick up a block?
Not all sacks are attributed to the LT (kinda like a dropped pass can be an INT).
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I never said all fans were like that, Most are though
Also, I would agree with you about the G on IR or the QB contributing to the sacks but Backus has done that for the last 4 seasons, SO im not really seeing that their. Also, The consensus among Lions fans is that LT Backus is the teams biggest weakness along with LT. Other then that show me where I said all fans are fools that just watch ESPN. I never did. However, If you take people word about a player who is below average like Backus, How can I take you serious? How can I honestly consider that you would evaluate someone fairly without using what someone said or you saw on TV. Judge it for yourself Bradshaw, He can play LT for an NFL team if that team is content with him giving up 10 sacks a year every year the last 3 or 4. Im not just saying that, Its fact. You tell me one LT in the league that has done that besides BAckus and maybe I will consider your arguement.
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well, before this year, yea
he was giving up 10 sacks a year.
Gotta remember, Mike Martz was on their staff for a while wasn’t he? He damn near made Orlando Pace look bad with his offensive scheme.
Can’t really describe any further how death Martz is to QB’s…cuz he doesn’t help the O-Line out.
As for this year? Backus is at 4.5. Not great, not horrible.
Average. Just like pretty much all Lions fans will tell you,
Backus hasn’t been bad once they got not only a QB with a clue (Stafford has one), Kevin Smith can pick up a blitz.
That saves the Kitna, Orlofsky and Culpepper indecisions that probably led to more than a few sacks
So no, they aren’t OK I’m sure with a LT giving up that many sacks.
…it was just par for the course with Mike Martz and crappy OT’s.
And don’t underestimate the fool QB idea…Joe Thomas, All-Pro Joe Thomas, has 4!! Sacks let up this year, cuz he has bad QB’s playing behind him.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but the 3 years takes that out the door
Brandon Albert has given up like 5.5 or 6.5 and I can tell he wont make it at LT. All Im saying is Jeff Backus is not ment to start in this league anymore. I firmly beleive that. You dont give up that many sacks if your the 7 best LT in the league. Wouldnt you agree?
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I never understood why they switched him in the first place. He was a damn good guard in college. I just don’t see an experiment like that working out very often. I do think Albert can have a fine career back at guard.
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Me too
I think LT is a priority.One word, Herm.
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I do..
but there’s something to be said for him having a “bounce back” year this year.
Mike Martz, like I said, is death on LT’s and OL’s in general.
QB’s like Orlofsky, Culpepper, or whoever the hell they’ve had back there, also no help if a team decides to overload a blitz to that side (which…is tacked onto the LT.)
What I’m saying, the stats, sacks allowed, aren’t the whole truth.
He’s more towards average, and a starter you can get away with, than someone who is just a complete pile of crap who should be off the team.
The Lions have gotten rid of OL’s before, so I doubt they would keep Backus if he truly was as bad as others.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
The number dont lie when you consider
How horrible of a run blocker he is. Thats the biggest problem. He used to be a good pass blocker, actually excellent. But now he cant do either. Okung is a Lion unless Suh is around, Then it will probably be Suh considering he is so much better then anyone. Thats the only way I see it playing out.
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Also, Mike Martz Had one of the best OLs ever
With the Rams, I must be missing something
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by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I have seen enough Lions Games to Know Jeff Backus is bad
He has given up and average of 10 sacks a year from 2006-your incredibled Defeated season. I know he is bad, And I watched them several times last year. Ive only watched them 2 or 3 times this year, and thats enough, If you ok with 10 sacks a year then you better hope your team isnt. If Jeff Backus stays on the Lions team, They wont win more then 4 games.
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**Reading intro fail.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 5, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Did I miss something?
When did Berry say he was staying? Lane Kiffin was going to have him take part in senior day.
Any prospect that has came out and said he isnt coming out is not in my draft (Unless I didnt know). Please tell me is someone has chosen to stay in school so I know for my next
Even though I don’t believe it until Jan 18 when the official list will be out, Earl Thomas said a couple days ago he is returning according to the Austin American Statesman.
Draft guru in training.
by tj.hendricks on Dec 6, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
all the mocker said
was that if he thinks they’re staying…they’re not in the mock.
I honestly would think Berry would be certifiably insane to not come out into this draft.
But that was the rules before the mock.
"It ain't over till its over"---
No it says….
Any prospect that has came out and said he isnt coming out is not in my draft (Unless I didnt know). Please tell me is someone has chosen to stay in school so I know for my next
Not if he thinks they’re staying.
Draft guru in training.
?
wait what?
They’re not in the mock if he thinks they’re staying in school
He must think Berry’s staying…so he’s not in the mock.
English?
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Chill out man
He is a draft guru, Oh wait in training. lol wow
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Oh no sir, I bow to you
I long for the day when I can insult someone by asking if they watch games because they have Travis Lewis going in round 1. Yet turn around and put him in the 1st round.
I long for the day when when I can put Jevan Snead in the top 15 and tell people that they are wrong for thinking otherwise, yet bash having Lawrence Marsh as the last pick of the 2nd round.
I long for the day when I can say this……
Your just dumb….. You look like you act black and have a GED. Good for you.
by darwithabar on Oct 21, 2009 9:33 PM CDT
Some people rate players higher than others. You like Snead and I totally see why, I like Marsh and some others. Everyone rates players differently.
But one thing we can all agree on is we need to be just like you!
Draft guru in training.
Really
That seems a little fruity to me
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RE: Travis Lewis
About LEwis, Dont you have him as high as 14 in your draft. I think he is a verge type guy who could go 1st round or 2nd. He could get picked as high as 23 but Im pretty sure you had him at 14 or 17. I just dont beleive he is gonna go there.
Marsch on the other hand will not touch the 3rd round. He is by far the weakest link on that defense and he proved that against ALA. So as for you being high on him, I would have to question your eye for talent. Sure you could say Snead is a reach at that point but You could also say he falls way to far in your draft. I dont know why you always act like a little bitch bro. If you look back at my first mock draft you started in on me because of a post I made where I slipped up and said “This isnt my real mock” If your gonna go all pre madonna with that sarcasm, Waste it on someone else please.
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You also come in here and point out every mistake in my mock
Dude I get it, I fucked up. But im sure yours isnt flawless. It just all seems like little girl shit to me and im tired of it. If you want to talk fotball we can. If you go back and look at your mocks, even the one where I questioned Lewis so high, I complimented the work you put in to it. It just seems ridiculous to me.
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I had Lewis going 19. In a previous mock I had him going top 10 to Oakland due to them having free agents at the position, he runs a rumored 4.48, and Al Davis is insane.
That’s fine. If we have a difference or two or a hundred on here it’s actually GREAT. That is what this all about, sharing information, sharing ideas and insight, learning from one another. NOT insulting people!
For instance I disagree with probably 40% of the stuff FreeBradshaw says but I enjoy it because it is his opinion and often I learn from him. Better yet I haven’t ever seen him insult anyone when engaging in a healthy debate. Sorry for bringing you in this FB.
Slim Shady I disagree with alot of what he says but it’s another view and I respect that. Yes Shady every underclassmen comes out ;)
True I can see where I come off as a little bitch but I can’t change who I am I’ve been that way my whole life. Just like you coming across as an ass, insulting any that dares to disagree with you. You’ve been doing that since you first posted so why should we expect you to change?
As for pointing out mistakes in mocks, yes I do and I hope everyone will let me know when I screw up. If I mess up the draft order or forget someone hell yeah tell me. That’s how I am, I expect it! Sorry I won’t do it to you no more.
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
By all means
Let’s talk football.
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Thats just it
You and Shady do the same thing as me but you talk crap to me for doing it. Also, as for FB I agree, He is as good guy, I hope he isnt insulted by somethings Ive said but you two have talked shit ssince day one so I believe im missing the point. Look back at alot of thread Naptime and Shady have talked crap as well.
Also, I think your way off by saying thats what Ive done since day one, I have had plenty of conversations with people that havent lead to insulting others. Sorry it pisses me off when people exclaim something like its fact, Which is what you and Shady did with my first mock ever on this board. Then in your last mock you ask people to explain themselves. You do come off as a little bitch and Im sure I come off as an ass. But I dont randomly pick people to call names. You dont find some of the posts you make to be degrading or disrespectful, surely not all of yours are but some, just like me. I beleive im missing your point with this.
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Also
There is a difference between Tearing down and breaking down. If you disagree with someone thats fine, But you dont have to tear someone work down. Thats all ive ever done. Hell youve taken jabs at me in your own mock posts. Its just stupid and imature girl shit bro. Thats all im saying.
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As for letting me know about a mistake
Thats fine. Like, Hey your messed up on the order. Thats not what goes on here though.
Also, How is it insulting someone by asking them “Do you even watch the games?” I could see how that could hurt someone pride if they didnt watch the game but when I asked you that about OU I was being genuine. I really wanted to know if you watched OU. Same with me asking someone on here if they watch Ole Miss. How is that insulting someone?
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It’s not just it’s when you say “do you even watch games” about having Travis Lewis in round 1 and then you turning around and doing it.
So apparently I don’t watch OU because I have Travis Lewis in round 1 but you watch (?) and put him in round 1?
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Im pretty sure Ive posted on here and your other mocks several times
That he is gonna go in round 1, That obviously came out wrong when I said it. He is going to go in round 1, I beleive it isnt going to be in the top 20 though. Ive said he is a fringe or verge player that could possibly go in the second. I was asking you that because you had him so high. I wasnt thinking in my head , Hey since I said that, Should I put him in round 2 so I dont look like a jack ass? Nor was a thinking, Hey how can I get under his skin, Oh wait Ill just ask if he watchs OU! No thats not what it was, I was asking out of pure curiousiness on wheter you watched OU or not and may have been a fan. Not because I was trying to insult you.
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That's cool
It was a misunderstanding, which happens because this is a message board, you don’t hear peoples tone in their voice or see their expresions. Just like I mentioned Brandon LaFell not in round 2. Not dogging it, I don’t even like him but the response was Lawrence Marsh. Maybe I didn’t ask it properly maybe you misunderstood me. Point is it happens.
As a side note I’m probably the biggest WR nut hugger there is. I played WR in high school, I love them. If I was a GM I would be worse than Matt Millen.
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry it pisses me off when people exclaim something like its fact
How do you think I felt after you said
Your just dumb….. You look like you act black and have a GED. Good for you.
That comment has pissed me off since you made it nearly two months ago.
Sorry for “tearing down” your work with the draft order stuff, I like getting it right so I thought you might as well. I guess not, it won’t happen again. Anytime on anyones mock that they mess up the draft order or misses players or picks I let them know. Sorry if that comes off as tearing sh!t down, It’s not how I mean for it to come across.
The explain themselves was more meant for Shady because he loves to say player A wont go there, at that’s it no explanation or reasoning.
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Look I can admit when Im wrong
And I was in the wrong when I said the GED and Black shit to you. But I get offended because I take this serious. Probably a little too serious. Im a film major lol, incase youve ever met one. lol Where dicks, But I get pissed when someone says Hughes wont go in the top 20, Atleast say why. I know you havent done that but im saying that is what gets me heated.
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that’s where my “explain themselves” came from.
I would like to take this serious but can’t because no matter what we will ALL be wrong. That is where my draft guru in training came from. I’ve been training for 15 years and still get tons wrong. First draft I ever saw was when Dan Wilkinson went #1 and I loved watching him play at Ohio St. so I predicted he would go #1 and my grandma said that’s my little draft guru in training. WARNING BITCHINESS BOUT TO HAPPEN. Which had sentimental meaning to me then you made fun of it and I took it down.
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Dude you shouldn't weat it bro
Its probably one of the better sigs Ive seen. I Though it was funny the first day I saw it. Also Illi do suck, Miz owns.
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Hate Mizzou because I’m a Illini fan but they are great tailgaters. Living in Nebraska when they come here thay are some of the coolest fans in the big 12 (until they find out I’m an Illini fan) and when me and some friends go to Columbia it’s always a great scene.
I never have high expectations for a Ron Zook coached team, or any team I’m a fan of for that matter.
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Dude tell me about it, One word CHIEFS
You say that 2 years removed from a SB. Zook can recruit with the nest but he isnt the best coach.
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There is a difference between what me and TJ do and what you do. Me and him make suggestions. You tell everyone that you are right, they are wrong, and call them an idiot
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 8, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Really
You called me stupid, thats weird. I guess its all me.
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Ok I misunderstood
When TRSS asked why Berry wasn’t in this you replied read the intro, the intro stated that players that have said they are going back he didn’t include. That is why I asked if I missed something by Berry saying he would come back.
Draft guru in training.
Berry said he is probably going to stay for his Sr year
Alos, It looks true. You do look like you act black. Nothing wrong with that if you own it. Do you listen to rap music? Probably huh?
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I Like the Derrick Morgan pick
Seems like everything Derrick Harvey was supposed to be.
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-Akrobatik
If you get Morgan, you are getting an absolute stud...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Agreed
Great upside as well.
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-Akrobatik
Ogobaase won't go in the 2nd to the Chargers.
They’ll select from a bevy of wideouts in round 1 (seriously, they could go Golden Tate, Damian Williams, Brandon LaFell, even Dez Bryant if he falls to the late 20’s… or #32) and take the best available running back in the second. There’s a lot of talk about who they’ll go after if CJ Spiller is off the board, and the community at BFTB seems to be split on Jonathan Dwyer or Toby Gerhart— the latter seems like a pick AJ Smith would make.
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If Tate goes pro, he would be awesome for the Chargers
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 6, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Not really Slim Shady
They usaully draft big posistion receivers, Floyd, Jackson, Nanee are all big and tall. I dont see Tate as a fit, Kinda like Chambers.
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If you have all tall guys, then an explosive guy would help the offense be more versatile.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Jackson, Floyd, Sproles and Naane are pretty explosive too.
…SD does not need another WR.
A RB like Spiller….better for them if they go O.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Yeah but there FA and in all fairness Tate would probably do well
I just think Williams is the better WR, Dude can run a route better then most pros, Plus, Floyd and Jackson are FA.
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IDK
I just dont see them drafting a WR under 6’1, even williams is on the border line. If Williams was there in the 2nd round, I hope my Chiefs would take him. Of Coarse the same goes for Snead, If Snead was there in the 2nd round I would hate my Chiefs if they passed on him.
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true.
but they’re re-signing Jackson..and probably Floyd too, they’d be stupid to let Rivers’ weapons go.
They would do fine with Tate, Williams, Benn…etc, cuz Rivers is an excellent QB.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Its not about "They are resigning him or floyd"
They might not have the money to do it. They have several FA in the next 2 years, Merriman, Cromartie, Floyd, Jackson, Sproles, and Gates. They might not have the money to resign Floyd. Floyd will get a lot of team intrested as will the rest of these players. They could be some of the top FA this year (JAckson, Floyd, McNeil, Merriman) Thats why there is nothing wrong with the picks. We just dont know if they will even resign half of them. They just gave Rivers a huge contract.
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true.
They have a lot of decisions to make.
The do have a lot of money either coming off the books, cap room in general, or cuts to be made (Tomlinson?, Buster Davis?…)
..they already cut Chambers, I’d assume to sign Jackson.
Not sure their cap figure, but they probably will re-sign who they need too.
Also, don’t underestimate past failures with 1st round WR, and the success they’ve had with the lower round WR.
That is…unless one of these WR fall to the 2nd or even third round, which is possible.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I dont think they even think like that though
I dont think Smith is confident enough to let jackson walk, I just dont think they resign both.
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Gerhart
Could potentially be your feature back?
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It's quite possible.
Norv Turner likes a powerful back— his offenses functioned well with Stephen Davis, Emmitt Smith, etc.— and AJ Smith likes to trade up to get white guys with good work ethics. Personally, I don’t think his lateral movement is good enough to go in the first, but with proper grooming and exercise regimen, he could turn into one hell of a running back.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 9, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
I Could
See him being a nice back, but I think a scat back will always have to play behind him to offer a change of pace.
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That's an option.
Next year we still have Michael Bennett under contract (he may well get cut) and looking ahead, there are plenty of quick, evasive guys out there. Unfortunately, we’ll likely lose the league’s best change-of-pace back to free agency this year.
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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 10, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
For those of you who dont think Snead should go so high
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91W3J0HsXgk
Just look at the pass to the corner of the Endzone, Only Mallet and clausen can make that throw, Also, Look at every throw he makes.
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Wow. After seeing that one throw I have completely changed my mind about him! (sarcasm)
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 6, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
He quite possibly has better intangibles then Clausen
But then again Clausen could be alot better then he looks when you consider the Team he played on isnt even going to a bowl game. Who knows.
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Yeah, just ignore the fifteen INTs he throws against guys who will be lucky to make an NFL practice squad.
Sorry, my mistake. Seventeen INTs.
Snead is not that bad.
He has to force a lot of throws cuz he’s missing a WR who is actually good (McCluster is…I have no idea what he is but he’s not even a Percy Harvin good WR…).
Snead is NOT a first rounder right now…but he could be after the offseason.
He could also be a good NFL QB, depending on his situation in the NFL.
As a developmental Qb, say in round 2…he’d be a very good choice for a team like say….the Vikings?
"It ain't over till its over"---
Matthew Stafford has 10 on a team that was 10 times more talented on the O line alone.
He also had a running game with Moreno and a great WR in Green. And you also said Backus was a good right?
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I posted on the Georgia Bulldog SB site and they said that their O line was terrible.
I was told by Georgia fans that they completely rebuilt their O line in 2008 and that Stafford did not have very good protection. They thought it would be a plus for him in joining the Lions. They were right.
And Stafford’s best WR target in 2008 was Massaquoi. Second round pick of Cleveland.
And just to correct you again, I said Backus is probably the Lions best O lineman and is better than average compared to other NFL LTs. Watch him play…without your preconceptions.
Dude I have 35 sacks
In the last 3 and a half seasons. Ok so Stafford had 2 bad ass WRs to Sneads ZERO. My bad, and their O line is way better then Ole Miss’ this year.
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Right
Did you just say the difference between you and me was you dont insult people.
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That seemed like a legit question
considering the props you’ve given him on this site.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 9, 2009 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
Right
And? You have people in your mock that you defended Willow. Tebow as one, Tebow has a worse chance of being drafted in the first then Snead does.
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by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Tebow has the Jags on his side
He could fall out of the first easily, but he could easily be selected by the Jags, especially if they keep winning. They are 7-5, 8-4, and they STILL can’t sell tickets.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 12, 2009 6:35 AM EST up reply actions
Picking a QB in the 1st round, to be a backup
when you have many other needs to fill is illogical. I can almost guarantee you that our 1st round pick will be someone on the Defensive side of the ball.
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Word
It’s looking like defense needs to be the attention getter this year.
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-Akrobatik
How many jaguars games have been blacked out?
What’s your record again, 7-5. You can’t sell tickets even with a winning product out on the field. Tebow, while he won’t start immediately, can bring in other fans to the team. Fans of Florida, and Tebow in general, will follow him wherever he goes. And hopefully your staff is smart enough to utilize Tebow, as he is ready to be a Wildcat specialist. Maybe down the road he could be a quarterback in the style of Garrard.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 13, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe you don't understand
I love to get Tebow, just not in the first round. Anywhere else and I can sleep happily.
Every home game has been blacked out. However, and this is great news for Jax, the Thursday Night football game against the Colts will be sold out and be on TV.
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You were being imature and a smart ass
And most of all hypocritical. You were intentionally trolling.
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by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Thats
From two years ago. Proves my point exactly, he sucks.
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-Akrobatik
Your stupid Jag Fan
I dont know why you keep saying that. He is going to be drafted by NFL team. He would be an upgrade over Garrad.
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Why must you insult everyone?
Stupid Jag fan. Really? For having an opinion?
I must be stupid Bear fan for liking Mike Johnson more than Iupati. Which doesn’t mean Johnson will go ahead of him, just means I personally like Johnson more.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
calling him stupid doesn’t win you any cred.
Snead was absolutely tearing it up two years back, if he had continued that pace this year he’d be #1 overall. Even if he hadn’t struggled as much as he has this year he’d still be first round material. But he has struggled a lot, so he falls to the early second. When you throw 17 picks in a season, you aren’t going in the first. Teams won’t want to spend money on a potential bust.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 8, 2009 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
Thats crazy to say because scouts see more then anyone
Josh Freeman had a QB rating of 136.* and Sneads is 127.*. Yeah there is a difference their but my point is Freeman had solid workouts and got tooken higher then he should. If Snead goes into the combine and goes off, which Im posistive he will just by watching him under pressure, He will go in the first round. Also, Snead plays in the SEC where defense our way better (Mizzou fan No Bias towards SEC or Ole Miss).
Also, As for me calling him stupid, Yeah I shouldnt have said that, but Why say something like, Oh this is from last year, proves my point, he sucks. That isnt intellegent (Is that better). Instead say “I dont agree” followed by something that is educated.
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Okay
Let me try. I don’t agree. The tape you showed me is from two seasons ago, when he had no adversity in his offense. If he couldn’t make any throws like that consistently, meaning at any time this past season, then I don’t believe he is first round material. Second, yes.
Hope that was better. 9th grade education at its best buddy.
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9th grade lol
So since the tape was 2 years old he sucks.
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No
But he had a poor campaign this year, when many picked Ole Miss as their “sexy” SEC champ pick. He couldn’t put any throws like that together this season. Granted his line was worse, but he should have been a year better.
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O line contributes directly to your QBs play
I agree he should have had a better year, but he should have had a better o line as well and they let him down. Plus his team was 8-4 so it wasnt a disapointing season. Either 8-4 or 7-5 I dont remenber.
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by darwithabar on Dec 12, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Ole Miss
Has a good defense though, and not a horribly tough schedule. He sure as hell didn’t get those wins by himself.
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-Akrobatik
He's not an upgrade over Garrard
If we did pick him he’d be a replacement.
Stupid Jag Fan? no
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THE NINERS DONT NEED A QUARTERBACK
even if Snead is good enough to go round one, the niners DO NOT need him. Alex Smith is good, he just needs continuity, and he will be fine. Leave Jimmy Raye there for a bit, and he will be just fine.
They should be taking Joe Haden, all the way.
yup.
Alex Smith is indeed a NFL QB.
What about CJ Spiller? Could use a speed guy to pair with Gore no?
Spiller and a OL (if Haden is gone of course?) like Anthony Davis?
"It ain't over till its over"---
Alex Smith is Still Unknown
I agree that Alex Smith is decent but is he the guy that is going to take you to a SB. Snead would be a guy that could sit behind Smith for a year or two until he is ready.
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could be.
But that’s more of something you do with a 2nd rounder, maybe 3rd.
Smith is pretty much getting his first full year starting this year.
Given a full year, and more importantly fixing the O-Line a bit, would be better for him.
Maybe ge a RB (Spiller?) to pair with Gore for another Weapon.
The Niners are close enough that they could retool up and fix the hole around Smith.
He could take them to a Bowl (Singletary knows about above average QB;s taking his team to a Bowl).
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
Also, Not all rookie QBs are ready to start imediatly. Look at the QBs that have and their struggles this year.
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by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
?
Exactly why I said Snead sits for a while.
If they take him?
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How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Cowboys
It would be great if Bryant fell to us but with the emergence of Austin I think we would trade the pick for some OL/DL help because he would help us but not as much as a potential replacement for Flozell and Spears once he hits FA
You guys need a deep threat.
Austin is not that, just breaks tackles (credit to him…but an NFL defender needs to make those tackles).
Cowboy fans have admitted that Austin is a playmaker…just not a downfield, deep threat (more of a YACer) that can hit you up over the top.
Bryant, or many of these other WR…would be a good complement.
BTW..Flozell Adams is a POS.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Miles Austin
Is considered a deep threat by many. And so is Patrick Crayton. What they need is a possession receiver, because Roy Williams is a bust.
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-Akrobatik
nope.
Who ever considers that is wrong. (and who IS Patrick Crayton anyway….LOL!…).
Austin’s a playmaker, but more of a YAC type, like I mentioned. Crayton,
He’ll catch em downfield, but for the most part his big plays are off broken tackles.
He’s more of an intermediate threat.
The Cowboys don’t have that deep threat, like Owens was.
These guys are all not deep threats, not like Desean Jackson, not like that.
I mean maybe its the routes Dallas runs, but these guys don’t go over the top much, probably cuz none of them are that..
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I See What Your Saying
But Austin still has to be considered a respectable down field threat. Either way, Dez Bryant would be a nice addition, he brings the deep element, with the assurance to be a number 1 receiver, like Terrell Owens was.
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-Akrobatik
I disagree to a point...
I think the Cowboys need a guy like Bryant. He would give us a great WR corp, a guy who could get off the ball quickly and a punt returner. The one thing I would agree with is that the value might not be quite right (would give us three highly paid WR’s since Austin will get his this offseason for a team that loves 2 TE sets). However, I think Crayton needs to go and I don’t think Bryant’s aggregate contract would be that much greater than Crayton’s (if I remember correctly, Crayton’s was 15 mil over 4 years).
Ultimately though, I do agree that the Cowboys will probably avoid that route. Jerry in my opinion will be looking to firebomb the offensive and defensive lines and will start by going that route in the first round. I am still clinging to the hope that Jerry will then turn around and get the smaller but faster version of Bryant in Jacoby Ford (who I happen to love) in the second round.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
The Cardinals have ZERO need for a DE....
With huge holes at OLB and ILB, that’s a terrible pick.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
who else would you rather have?
I don’t think Ricky Sapp DE/OLB has been chosen so he might be an option at OLB (some believe he is a 1st rounder others have him in the 2nd or early 3rd).
Also good teams (like Pittsburgh) draft players in positions before they become needs so that they have someone who is waiting in the wings and ready to play. So having Austin (6-3 305) ready to play NT/DE when one of your players goes to FA or retires/gets injures isn’t a terrible pick.
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 7, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
He'd
Just be an end. Nobody under 320 has any business playing NT.
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Jay Ratliff?
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
This kid knows nothing. There are several different scheme that are 3-4 base. A true 2 gap NT has to be 325+ plus but a 1 gapper like Jason Ferguson and Jay Ratliff can be under 320 anyday.
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I was referring
To Pittsburgh. I realize now that Bezekira is a Cardinals fan. The Steelers have Casey Hampton at nose, who is 330. Steelers two gap. My B.
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-Akrobatik
we drafted two 3-4 defensive ends in the '08 draft
Calais Campbell has assumed one starting job and is playing very well and Kenny Iwebema is the top backup on both sides. Darnell Dockett is the other starting end and is under contract (although he wants a new deal) for two more years and Alan Branch (2nd round pick from ’07) has also moved to end.
All in all drafting a 3-4 DE right now and calling it a “future” pick sounds about as smart as drafting a WR with the same pick.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Not true
Dockett is solid but just because you drafted two last year doesnt mean anything. The Chiefs draft Brandon Albert to play LT and look how thats working out. It just doesnt matter, If he is the best player on their board, Do you think they would pass on him? Yeah right. You dont know if those guys are going to be good or not.
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I know that Campbell is starting already and performing very well
I also know that Kenny Iwebema plays quite a bit and performs well when he’s on the field. I also know that we have very little talent, much less depth at OLB and a huge gaping hole at ILB. All things considered I think we’d draft a guy who actually fills a position of huge need instead of selecting a guy who adds more depth to a spot that’s already fairly well stocked. But I guess we can agree to disagree.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I have to admit i thought (or heard) Kenny Iwebema had his career cut short because they found some massive growth or something in his body. And although i still think that taking a 3-4DE and passing down NT is a possibility (if the Cards did it might send a message to what they intend to do with Dockett’s contract) i do agree a OLB (pass-rusher) makes a lot of sense.
But who would you prefer at that spot? Would it be a reach or do you think there is an OLB on the board that fills the need nicely like Von Miller (Texas A&M)
by Sheffieldbengal on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Iwebema did have a growth removed from his chest but he only missed a couple weeks
As far as who we’d take, I’m not really well versed at who might be available at this point in the draft but I’d just leave it as the best ILB or OLB on the board.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
They could take an OLB but really there isnt one on the Board that I thought was worthy
Come draft time there might be one but who knows. I know they probably wont reach for an OL or OLB if their isnt one worth it. The only position I see them taking are LB,DL, or OT and he is the best out of those posistioned. Last year the colts biggest need was OT and LB and they took a RB.
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He was abducted by Martians with the 2 1/2 pick of the first round. Unfortunately being eaten for dinner doesn’t pay as well as the NFL.
by Phantaskippy on Dec 7, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Swing
And a Miss
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That sucked
Don’t quit your dayjob.
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Changed Bengal Pick
I can see the Bengal pick has been altered. You now explain:
Trent Williams OT- You can never have enough O Line men, I dont know if they even need him but its a good value pick.
I can tell you the Bengals don’t need an OT. They have two RTs (Including 1st rounder Andre Smith) and two LTs (Whitworth the run blocker and Collins an underated pass-blocker) who are all of at least league-basic starting quality so no need for depth nor is there any starting position up for grabs. (Whitworth will be at LT for the next few seasons and Andre Smith will be once he gets the coaches trust)
The Bengals do have a need at RG as Bobbie Williams is 34 with an exiring contract. If a G grades out as a major road-blocker then they may take that.
With the players remaining on the board i think the most likely pick would be C J Spiller. This is because our depth at RB and KR was exposed once Benson went down (and now Scott has a turf-toe problem). Larry Johnson, although not out of all juice, is on the slow side and not good enough on 3rd down to be truely useful. The running game needs a home-run threat and any RB close to having the explosiveness of Chris Johnson will get Mike Brown excited.
Other possbilities are DE and to a lesser extent DT (though as i noted on another mock draft the Bengals use less DTs because their DEs go inside on passing downs). Some Bengal’s fans are talking about the possibiliy of taking a S in round one but i think you get it spot on there.
Linebacker
Isn’t a need, but imagine if you guys got Brandon Spikes or even someone like Josh Bynes. That would be a sick linebacker corps.
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Yeah to be honest I didnt know
It could be someone who jumps up the board but right now I dont know. Trent Williams is strong enough to play RG but I dont know if a team would risk it. He is a very good run blocker but he struggles pass blocking. Thats usaully means you are two slow to play LT but strong enough to compensate for your lack of quickness. I really dont know.
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Words to live by for darwithabar....
I really dont know.
Practice saying that a few million times. You will be a better person because of it.
lol
Come on because I said Backus sucks, He does, Geeze how can you defend him. It just makes you look desperate, thinking saying it will make him good. NO LT has given up more sacks then him in the last half decade (In Limited time due to injury). So I give in, He is average like you said but statisticlly he is the worst in the league.
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Just to correct you again, Backus has not missed a game in his career.
That is 140 straight starts for the Lions. I would be surprised if he has missed more than ten snaps in that time. I am not sure where on the internet you get your stats from, and I always wonder how they determine who is responsible. If a FB does not supply help or if the DE gets by the Guard on a stunt who gets the sack? When Kitna holds the ball for seven seconds trying to make up his mind where to throw or moves out of the pocket who gets the sack? I would not be surprised if Backus has played far more snaps than any other LT over the last five years.
I am not saying he is an all pro, I am saying he is average and this year he is a little above average. You are trying to balme him for every problem the Lions have. Put Ryan Clady there and see if the Lions offence is top ten all of a sudden. What a joke.
LOL Ryan Clady would instantly improve your whole team
I would except your arguement about Kitna holding the ball and a DE making a stunt but Its almost 35 sacks in the last 4 years and were not even done with the season. And he cant run block even average. Its a joke that you say he is average, he is the worst LT in the leasgue the last 4 years. Yeah he has improved to the point where he has only given up 4 sacks this year, Thats average, not above average. So he has been horrible 2006-2008 and average this year. That doesnt mean the Lions dont need an upgrade.
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My BAd about him missing a game
I though he was benched sometime during that disaster.
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Yes dwb I agree that the Lions could use an upgrade at LT
But as every long time Lions fan who has sufferred through this ongoing disaster knows, we have huge gaping holes all over the place. I think we filled the QB and TE and LB spots in 2009, but the defensive line and secondary are catastrophic. We missed out by one field goal in 2006 in allowing the most points in the NFL or else we would win that dubious honour for four straight years. Yes, I am counting 2009 as one of those years as we are four touchdowns ahead of Tampa. We have to play Chicago, Arizona, Baltimore, and San Fran.
This team is desperate for some defence. Replacing Backus will not help this team very much.
My perspective on this
is that by drafting a LT that is as good as Okung, you are doing three things. You’re solidifying the LT position for ten years. you make the rest of your O-line better, and you make your quarterback better. An elite LT helps everyone, it helps keep Stafford out of the dirt and his confidence up in the clouds, which you have to do in order to insure long term success. Neither your offense nor your defense will improve in one season, do what is best for the franchise, protect your quarterback.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 10, 2009 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
playing a lot doesn’t mean they are good.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 9, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
wouldn't be playing if they weren't good.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Our Steve Smith is better than yours.
Damn right, better than yours.....
But he plays for the Lions. Nuff said
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 9, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
And....?
Joe thomas plays for the Browns, how many sacks had he given up?
6 sacks apparently…which is more than the aforemention Jeff Backus.
……“Nuff said”….????
BS.
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If there's anything I'm sure of, its the Sun coming up in the morning, and Steve Smith.
Not in the last 4 years though
Backus definitly trumps anyone, As much as your QB has been shooken up you should be pissing your self waiting for a new LT. Defense can be address in other rounds.
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You are assuming all the sacks are coming from the left, WHY?
Why do you think a rookie LT will instantly transform the Lions O line? You don’t watch them play and don’t know what their problems are. Some draft gurus, who I respect, feel the same way as you but really do not back up their reasoning except with “LT is the second most important position” or “you have to protect your franchise QB”. DUH.
The goal is to build a winning team. The Lions will do it by choosing the player who gives them the most value. Right now I think I would rank their board like this:
N. Suh, G. McCoy, E. Berry, D. Morgan, R. Okung
The last two might be interchangeable. If the first three guys are gone when the Lions pick they will have a tough decision.
you gotta go with the most value at the position.
I don’t think its hersey to go and say that the Lions could at least use a young tackle, or at least some young lineman?
What’s a better 1st 2 rounds of the draft?
Suh/McCoy and someone like Jake Fox/Charles Brown?
Or Okung/Anthony Davis and someone like Bryan Price?
I really, highly doubt there is such a big need to get a LT at the top of the draft, especially when its marginal as to the difference in the 2nd round, this is a deep draft at OL.
What this draft is not deep at is exctremely athletic, Kevin Williams type DT’s.
Suh and McCoy are that. You don’t pass them up.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 12, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
When the best player you have is already injured
And your LT gives up 40 sacks in 4 seasons. You cant justify taking McCoy over Okung to me. Also, The sacks are calculated by the player getting the sack is being blocked by. Its not a crap shoot, more a science. Suh will not be on the board when the Lions pick, and McCoy probably wont either, Atleast in my draft. So All that is mute. LT is the biggest need on the Lions team. Not only is backus bad, but he is old. Lions take a LT this year because Shwartz knows you build thru the trenches.
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by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
And your LT gives up 40 sacks in 4 seasons. You cant justify taking McCoy over Okung to me.
They passed on Oher last year for Pettigrew. Their offensive line coach said that Backus is playing his best ball right now.
Would I agree with them passing on Okung? No, I think they should take him. They’re doing something in Detroit (not saying it’s bad) they rated Pettigrew higher than Oher, Vontae Davis, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks, etc. In round 2 they took Louis Delmas over Laurinitis, Mauluga, Eben Britton, LeSean McCoy, Phil Loadholt, etc..
So it is conceivable (sp?) that they pass on him. Once again I wouldn’t agree with it.
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 13, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
to my defense I was talking about me. I couldnt justify taking McCoy over O Kung with a LT as bad as Backus.
Am I missing Tim Tebow here?
I’ll tell you this much, if he lasted until the end of the 2nd round and the Colts were picking, I see little reason they wouldn’t take a flyer on him.
I DO love your selection of Mallet for the Bills. I can only hope he declares and the Bills take him to develop.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 8, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions
Mallet is a Stud
I love how he throws the deep ball so accuratly. About Tebow, Did you miss something. Saturday night proved he cant throw the ball down feild. I just dont see him going over even Dan LeFevour who can throw the ball down feild and run just like Tebow. Maybe he moves up but who knows. To me it seems QBs are drafted in the 1st for 2 reasons a) They can throw down feild accuratly b) They are just a special talent in the accuracy department. I dont see Tebow being anything better then a back up in the pros but who knows.
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As for Mallet
If he stays in school no dooubt he could be the 1st pick in next years draft, Maybe Gabbert or Barkley give him a run for his money. Maybe Im missing some.
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Thats ment for two years from now when Mallet was a senior
Thats why I have Gabbert in there too. He could go pro next year but I doubt he will if they have a rookie salary cap. I know Barkley is a true freshman
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I can see it now
With the 1st pick in the 2012 NFL draft the Chicago Bears select QB Matt Barkley USC
I’d be so happy to get Barkley but so pissed that we SUCKED
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 8, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt the Bears pick first in 2012
They are not as bad as their record, I think losing Urlacher just took all the leadership off that defense. They need to draft some interior linemen and be active in some 2nd tier free agents. One thing is for sure, Hester is not a WR. They should have never tried to convert him. He should still be returning kicks.
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Oh no we really do suck
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by tj.hendricks on Dec 12, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Ive watched them play
But ive watched Jay Cutler since he was drafted (AFC WEST) and he isnt good yet! but I think he will be. If they did go QB, Blaine Gabbert will be the first QB taken in 2012. Book It.
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Can Blaine Gabbert
Scramble?
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Um
Blaine Gabbert is 6’5, He runs a 4.6 and can throw farther then any QB in this draft besides maybe Mallet and there even. Blaine Gabbert is the best pro prospect coming out that year.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think Dayne Crist has a stronger arm.
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 14, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
The guy who hasn't played yet?
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
He has gotten a little time but do you really expect him to start over Clausen?
by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 17, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
No Way
I followed Crist when ND recruited him. Gabbert can seriously throw the ball 80+ yards. His arm is comparable to Cutler. When he was a senior he threw the ball 78 yds at a QB camp.
Damn Dude
You don’t have to do the “um” crap. I watched Gabbert in one game, and I liked what I saw. However it was raining that game and the footing was bad, so he didn’t attempt to scramble at all. I just asked what his scrambling ability was. Don’t gotta treat someone like they’re a dumbass.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Damn bro, Get dumped much?
Chill out, I wasnt coming off rude, Its just a habit. When I saw your post I had to go back and look to see what I said. I dont see anything rude. He was injured that game too. Suh almost ripped his ankle off.
Aight
Get your ass kicked much? Thats a habit you might want to shake, because there is no way you talk to people like that in person and remain blackeyeless. And then you tell me to “chill out,” something else that really pisses people off.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Man you guys are all the same
Im telling you right now, Im not gonna get into fighting with you. Obviously, Were probably in different states and there is no chance will ever see each other. Im not that guy. I dont care if everyone on this site doesnt like me, Im not here to make friends, I wasnt being rude to you. You just seemed insecure to me. Thats the last thing ill say and im over it.
...now that you finally put in Arthur Jones....
Boom, good pick.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
tho I still don't like the Greg Jones in round 2 pick.
Not only do they not need LB’s this early, but he’s too small for the Giants scheme (unless he’s stronger than an ox.
Jahvid Best may be too good to pass up this early. The Giants have potentiallly 4 RB’s going in next year, but I can see Danny Ware not coming back and also, Andre Brown is on IR from a torn achilles injury.
Guys usually are never the same after a torn achillies injury. If the Giants really feel he will not be, I can see someone like Best (or maybe CJ Spiller in round one) in round 2.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 12, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
Greg Jones fits there Scheme
He is 6’1 230 and Pierce is 6’1 238. He is a very good tackler. He would be a steal in the 2nd round too. Im not quite sure I understand how he doent fit your scheme. Is it the weight? Most players coming out of the draft add 5-10 pounds, unless they are already overweight.
That Falcons Pick Is Looking Like It Might Be Higher Then We Thought.
I have Ronnie Brown, Micheal Turner, and Dwayne Bowe all on my fantasy team.
by darwithabar on Dec 13, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Pierce is bigger than that.
as are all their LB’s.
They don’t need a LB either, they have young LB’s who they like.
They need safeties.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
I Saw Pierce
Against the Eagles last night. His tackling is getting worse. He tried to hand tackle Leonard Weaver, and lets just say he failed.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I saw Pierce too.
….on the sideline, cuz he’s on Injured Reserve.
Who you were looking at is Bryan Kehl. A former 4th rounder who has failed, and was getting phased out as it is, but they thought he could cover TE’s….and no.
Jon Goff…the guy who made the INT..needs more time in there and is the MLB of the future.
Clint Sintim…WLB of the future.
Michael Boley? Dunno what to think of him…but he’s the defensive playcaller right now, and he is a FA signing who hasn’t had a ton of time in the system…another reason the D was in disarray.
Not saying the Giants D will be fine…but someone like Greg Jones is not what they need if they get a new LB.
What they need…is a veteran LB, like Kirk Morrison or Barrett Ruud (of course if they are available).
OR…..Rolando McClain (and not Brandon Spikes)
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
My B
I had the game on for a few minutes, and I saw someone fat and out of shape blow a tackle. I instantly thought it was Pierce. How many fat out of shape guys do the Giants have playing linebacker?
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Zero.
Peirce really isn’t that fat, and there’s no other LB nearly as ‘fat’ as Pierce.
You were probably looking at one of our DT’s. Barry Cofield looks like he’s out of shape, but he actually makes a lot of tackles down field.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
They dont need a new LB?
But They do? I think you just dont want Greg Jones, He fits your system perfect. Your LBs may weigh more then that now but they shouldnt. They must be over weight.
Sintim, Goff are the youngins
Boley will be the WLB again.
THat’s 3 starters. Goff is the man in the middle..he’s shown enough in 3 games, they don’t need to spend a high pick on a MLB. He’s gonna be good.
Blackburn will be retained to back up. Bryan Kehl too.
There’s also Zach DeOssie as the Long Snapper..but he’s a LB.
That’s 6 LB’s. Any more then that…they’ll have the same problem they did this year, not enough depth in the secondary.
They went in with 8 LB’s this season..and its killed their ability to get depth in the secondary.
They may draft a LB….but not in the first 3-4 rounds, unless, Rolando McClain falls, cuz he’s the next dominant All-Pro LB in the NFL (he’s not falling…)
There’s other needs..like safety, and a big fat RT, and a few DT’s..and another safety, maybe even a RB with some speed.
LB…not so much a need.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 24, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Man I watched the game today and your LBs played bad
They were missing tackles all day. Im sticking with that pick. I though about changing it because I respect your opinion more then most on here but I cant after today. Good luck in your next game.I think Injuries really fucked the Giants this year.
Its alright...
still, Giants are not going LB again..cuz the LB’s that missed tackles..well it was one, his name is Danny Clark. He’s as good as gone, the only reason he was playing is cuz he was supposed to be a veteran presence on the D
They have Clint Sintim as a 2nd round pick who they still like..so no, they don’t need a 1st round LB.
Goff is the MLB too, with Boley as the WLB.
IF you noticed..the real problem was the DT’s and the safety, mainly Michael Johnson, missing tackles.
So…LB, maybe in the later rounds, but defintely DT and S are the early needs.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 29, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Jones is a Sure Tackler and probably one of the most underrated players in the draft
He would fit their system and is a posistion of need in my eyes.
they have plenty of young players....
Kehl, Goff, Sintim..even Wilkenson is still young.
No reason for a first rounder on LB when there are more pressing needs.
Jones can be underreated.
If he’s available in the 3rd round…no problem (provided no LB was selected earlier.
In the 2010 NBA draft the NY Knicks select.....Nate Robinson. 5"9 PG from Pringles' Doghouse U!
He wont be avaiulable in the 3rd
This is a classic case of a fan overrating players. I watched all those guys play, I know who they are. They dont tackle well at all. Out of all them, Sintim is the only one I would want on my team. The Chiefs have an adundance of young LBs but its still a need. Just because a team has abunch of young guys that you think they like doesnt mean he doesnt fit your system or they wont draft him. You just dont want them to.
Also, It doesnt always matter if its the biggest need
Its the value you get at that pick. The Ginats always draft for Value rather then Need. Sure need plays a role, but who is to say they wouldnt grab a S later.
Ill watch the Ginats tomarrow and ill tell you if Ill change it. Ill see if the Panthers game was a fluke.
Sintim?
You weren’t watching the game then…he did nothing.
I don’t think the will…cuz they HAVE BEEN drafting LB’s..they gotta STOP drafting LB’s and give the guys they have a chance.
The problem is no LB’s…its the DL and safeties.
LB’s aren’t great, but there are bigger needs.
They need a safety…cuz the only one that may come back next year is Kenny Phillips.
And Kenny Phillips’ career may be over.
You think that safety is not a need when they may end up having ZERO on the roster?
In the 2010 NBA draft the NY Knicks select.....Nate Robinson. 5"9 PG from Pringles' Doghouse U!
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 3, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I never said S wasnt a need
I said just because it is doesnt mean you draft it in the 1st round. The only reason I would want Sintim is because he is young and I liked him in school/. I never said he played out of his mind, He is a rookie! They need all the LBs they can get. Ive watched the games and the problem isnt only the DL, The LBs have been missing tackles all day.
Oh...
I’ll add kicker and punter.
Punter is a gigantic need.
Kicker, with someone like Tiffen in this draft..may be actually drafted too.
I’d rather them get a UDFA for LB, since he’s not gonna be a gigantic need to start in 2010.
Maybe in the 2011 draft…they’ll re-asses on LB and draft one. Not a big need this season.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 24, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I like
the Chiefs picks. Especially Lupati. Hope Berry comes out but I could live with Cody as long as he can maintain his weight. Idk how big of an issue that could become but I know there were some Owners who said they’d like to see him get down to 340.
But in fairness to Cody, I cant believe who athletic he is for carrying around 360(+?) lbs.
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