SB Nation Writers Mock Draft: Round 1, Pick #6
![]() |
![]() No. 6 |
CINCINNATI |
Closing out the second day of the official SB Nation mock draft is Kirkendall, manager of Cincy Jungle, home of the best logo on the SB Network.
Cincinnati’s 32nd ranked offense, which sounds better than saying worst offense in the league, was largely hampered by several factors; without detailing everything, let’s just say most of it hung on the sub-par performances with the offensive line. In the past calendar year, the Bengals have lost Willie Anderson and Stacy Andrews, and word keeps circulating that Cincinnati is looking to release Levi Jones if no trade partners are found. In that time, Cincinnati has acquired one tackle, drafting Anthony Collins in the fourth round of the 2008 NFL Draft. Based on depreciating talent from recent departures, and the overall performance of last year’s worst offense, the Bengals are desperately looking to upgrade the offensive line.
Their targets are like most others, Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe leading the pack; after that, it muddles into a debate between Michael Oher and Andre Smith. Setting aside a moment that the Bengals could be drafting the fourth best tackle with their sixth overall pick, and setting aside the embarrassing Combine, Pro Day and Sugar Bowl suspension, Andre Smith was highly noted for his performances in 2008. After he faced a one-game suspension to end his collegiate career with nose-diving career tryouts that can cost, or earn, a player millions, Smith’s name turned to ash.
Whether it’s Andre Smith, Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, or Michael Oher, the Bengals will, and should, go after an offensive tackle in the first round, stabilizing the offensive line so Carson Palmer and the Bengals can actually succeed with a critical vertical game.
MTD thoughts: I completely understand the reasoning behind this selection, but I totally disagree with the player chosen. If the Bengals want a tackle, Oher should be the pick. He has nowhere near the baggage Smith does. The Bengals need a surefire pick, and that is what Oher would provide them. There is no bigger boom or bust in this draft than Smith.
Mocking the Draft's Top Five Remaining Prospects - WR Michael Crabtree, CB Malcolm Jenkins, OT Michael Oher, RB Knowshon Moreno, MLB Rey Maualuga
0 recs |
27 comments
|
Comments
You guys blew it
Andre Smith isn’t worth the risk. Maybe a lousy work ethic got him by in college. It won’t work in the NFL.
by James L on Mar 26, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeesh
what did Michael Oher do to piss everybody off?
by math_geek on Mar 26, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no clue.
I still view him as the best OT in the draft.
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 28, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre' Smith in Cincy!?
NFW – I’m surprised at the pick, especially since it was made by a Cincy guy, the Bengals blogger. Knowing the past issues with the Bengals and players with credibility and/or off the field behavior issues, there is NFW that they use their first round selection ona guy with questionable work ethics, no matter how good he is.
Marvin Lewis just threw up into the back of his mouth on this one. Sorry, but typical Bengals mistake – AGAIN!
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 26, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RE:
Rexx, point out the off-the-field behavior issues, will you? Skipping out of the combine? Improper dealings with an agent? Your points are baseless. And I’m not a Smith guy, but I haven’t have actually concluded a “character” issue here.
Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Kirkendall on Mar 27, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys don't have a clue
Andre Smith is the best OT, if not player, in this draft. Getting him at 6 is a STEAL. Anybody who thinks he ‘lacks work ethic’ obviously just started watching him in January, and is eager to mimic what the ‘draft experts’ on espn spout out.
Even if he wasn’t obviously better than Oher, proven again and again ON THE FIELD, he would still be a better fit for Cincy because he can fill an immediate hole at RT, while he develops at LT. If they took Oher, he would have to wait around for a couple years behind other players ahead of him, because Oher doesn’t have the size to be an effective RT.
laughable comments…
by Joe27 on Mar 26, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes the lack of work ethic comments are baseless and just parroting "experts"

I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What "baggage" does Smith have?
From Scouts Inc.
Was suspended for 2009 Sugar Bowl vs. Utah for improper dealings with an agent. Otherwise, he has had no off the field issues and coaches/teammates speak highly of him as a person.
Are we talking about the Combine and Pro Day, two overhyped events of men working out without making contact with other NFL talent?
Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Kirkendall on Mar 27, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just for reference, I don’t even care about the Sugar Bowl thing. Just not a big deal.
However, generally, If I went to a job interview with millions of dollars on the line improperly dressed and then disappeared before it was over, I wouldn’t hire me either.
by math_geek on Mar 27, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again. How is that baggage?
That’s just plain lack of personal preparation. Some of you are making him sound as if he’s one of the terrorists on 24. OK, that might be overstatement.
Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Kirkendall on Mar 27, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don’t think he’s a terrorist, or a criminal. I’m sure he’s a nice guy. But that’s not the point. One of the hardest things for offensive lineman to do is to manage their weight, but if they can’t do it, they won’t be in the NFL for long.
Motivation is also a major issue. He did play well in college, but does that motivation translate to the professional level? Is he going to be self-motivated or did he need an awful lot of looking after by coaches etc.
And the big fear whenever you have a high round pick is what the guy is playing for. Some players will be happy to sit on that contract and not continue to work hard. Why not? 20 million dollars is more than I could spend in a lifetime.
There’s a lot more factors to character than a criminal record.
by math_geek on Mar 27, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Combine and Pro Days
They are certainly not over-rated. Both help scouts judge how consistent players are in several drills that determine speed, agility, and strength. Game tape helps, but game tape can be misleading at times. Combine and Pro Days help round out the player profile.
And in Andre’s case, his attitude in terms of approaching both those events conveyed that he is a lazy person with attitude problems. and most people here are sort of scratching their heads at your pick because THE LAST place that can afford a lazy malcontent is Cincy.
Again, he has lots of talent, but from my school of thought, talent is secondary to character. Give me a less talented, harder-working player and my team will win more games over a team with talented, lazy, me-first douchebags.
I think Dan’s explanation was fair, and I agree there were better o-line prospects out there. But, half the fun of mock drafts is second guessing other people’s picks. :)
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue. Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 27, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, what's more important to you?
Workout numbers, or game film.
Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Kirkendall on Mar 27, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like a offhand comment one of the position coaches
running a drill at the combine made to a player. A bunch of guys weren’t following the instructions (turning upfield instead of running out of bounds after catching a pass), even after he repeated to run out of bounds a few times, guys kept doing it. The last guy in the drill turned upfield and when he got back the coach told the group ""follow the instructions of the drill." then quietly told the guy "Son, that’s part of what we are evaluating."
A lot of times the raw numbers aren’t as important as how a guy prepares and follows instructions. Players know how much can rest on their performances so the guys who don’t prepare well, or listen well have some issues. When millions of dollars are at stake and a guy like Smith can’t work himself into decent shape or even make sure the team officials know he’s leaving the combine, I think it’s fair to doubt whether he’d be a hard worker with whoever drafted him.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"most people here are sort of scratching their heads at your pick because THE LAST place that can afford a lazy malcontent is Cincy"
Well, first off, and I hate to sound callus (and I’m not so much responding to you, rather this attitude against Cincinnati), most Bengals fans really don’t care what fans of other teams think. Typically, people ride some characterization that hasn’t existed for a while now, simply because there’s really little effort — or desire — to update their characterized opinions of the Bengals. If people can’t get past this “character” issue with Cincinnati, then that’s on them, and proves that their understanding this team is surface only, without the willingness to put that to bed and see that several other teams have had “character” issues with wide receivers and guns, far more recent than the Bengals.
Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Kirkendall on Mar 27, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I think Dan’s explanation was fair"
Well, in fairness to Dan, I realize his “board” has Oher higher than Smith, and I get the feeling that it’s that in which has repelled our selection — which was a community selection, not just mine.
But I believe — simply my opinion — that calling Smith’s perceived laziness and lack of work ethic “baggage” is a stretch. At best, you could say he lacks personal responsibility.
Blogger at CincyJungle.com -- SB Nation Cincinnati Bengals blog.
by Kirkendall on Mar 27, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about Smith is that I’m not sure we’ve heard the last of his issues. I can’t say anything with absolute certainty, but there are some serious rumors out there.
The other thing I worry about Smith is whether he can handle the left side in the NFL. He’s not especially quick and Carson Palmer doesn’t elude the blindside blitz especially well.
by Mocking Dan on Mar 27, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, then, he lacks "personal responsibility!"
and based on Cincy’s past issues with players who lacked personal responsibility (which as a teammate, is such a contradiction in terms), they can ill afford another potential issue andd while most teams might not be put off by this, Cincy should run the other way with any question marks on a first round pick, much less any round.
However, this and your response is just another example why the organization will remain at the bottom of the league and continue to draft high each April!
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 27, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The organization is going to be bad based on the comments of a blogger? Kirkendall, much like He-Man, you have the power!!!
by Mocking Dan on Mar 27, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bengals poor judgement is contagious
to all of Cincinnati, based on their recent player personnel decisions as well as their and their fans draft strategies.
Yes, so there, I did just go there. So, what now!?
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The organization is going to be bad
GOING to be bad? What stone have you been hiding under?
Rexx
by Rexx on Mar 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes the best player on the board
would you rather the question marks that Crabtree brings? or would we be getting questioned about how we reach for Michael Oher? either way we lose, so lets just take the most dominating player in the draft. and since these guys just listen to ESPN, the experts are saying at the very least A. Smith will be a GREAT guard. and hey we need help all over the O-line.
by firstPick on Mar 27, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for the record, I think Oher would be a great pick.
by math_geek on Mar 27, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just FYI
From our POV, he isn’t the best player on the board still available: http://www.mockingthedraft.com/pages/top-75
You disagree, and that’s cool. Just wanted you to know that, from MTD’s POV, Smith is much further down the draft board.
SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue. Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 27, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Oher and don't know why he is slipping.
Oher could definately start at RT this year. Andre Smith may have been a dominant force on the field but he reminds me of a Bills draft bust, Mike Williams. I think for too long he has gotten by on straight talent and that doesn’t work in the NFL. It’s too hard for people with poor work ethics to be successful and survive on talent. it’s like that really smart kid from high school who coasted then went to college and failed out because it got harder and they didn’t know how to study for tests.
Oher would have been my pick here because I just like him better than Smith. The pick isn’t flawed but I think Smith has a high bustability ranking.
Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.
by MattRichWarren on Mar 27, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i understand
how all of you could think that A. Smith has a poor work ethic based on stories you have read on espn over the past couple months regarding his combine and pro day. But that fact is that this is just not true. While in college he was a continual self motivator, team player, and passionate football player, even setting up a “club” of linemen to get together outside of team functions to work out to make certain that they could be the best that they could be. This was one of the main reasons that alabama’s offensive and defensive lines were the best in the country last year, and the main reason they went 12-0 until the sec championship game.
The truth is, Andre has a TERRIBLE agent, who is just starting out, has few clients, and doesn’t understand the system. Andre was out of football since early december, and didn’t even have contact with his agent until A WEEK before the combine, which obviously was too late. An agent is supposed to coach a player to maximize his potential draft position and dealings. Maybe you like to think that its Andre’s fault for getting this agent, and yes, I believe that is partially true, but the guy sweet-talked him, and Andre still contents that Alvin is one his good friends and will continue to stand by him. A poor agent decision that resulted in all of these ‘character issues’. How do you explain him not having ANY problems before this AT ALL??
The fact here is that Andre is an amazing player, and based on his PLAY in college, is the best player in this draft. So again, getting him at 6 is a steal. Teams know this, because they draft players based on play, and not on ESPN reports, and that’s why Andre will still go in the top 7, guaranteed.
If you want a combine player, you guys can have Mike Mamula, and I’ll take Warren Sapp. sound good?
by Joe27 on Apr 1, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by 




















