2010 Mock Draft ORDER.
by ejruiz on Jun 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
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Hey guys! I've finally gotten around to working an a way-too-early 2010 Mock Draft; before I go on, however, I thought I'd share my current draft order for you to pick apart. If you find anything horribly wrong (a team that's more than a couple of slots away from what you'd expect to see) please feel free to mention it.
I'll go ahead and get one thing out of the way before it blows up in the comments: yes, I'm a Broncos fan. You'll notice that I think they'll do much better than the media expects and you almost certainly disagree with me on that, but you're not going to change my mind because I'm pretty sure I pay more attention to them than you do. If it helps, just ignore them!
One more thing: if you could tell me what you think your favorite team's most pressing needs may be, then please do share them! Thanks for talking a moment to look at this and especially to those who take the time to comment. Cheers!
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if the bears are at thirteen broncos are at ten
by Staleystan595455 on Jun 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburg will not win the superbowl again
no way. Tom Brady and Donovan McNabb will be the starting QBs in the superbowl.
by Staleystan595455 on Jun 30, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
There’s “no way” the Steelers win the Super Bowl again? Hmmm… how much money are you willing to put on exactly Patriots v. Eagles in the Super Bowl against the field? You’ll notice I like both New England and Philly a lot (I have them both losing in the Conference Championship Games) but your certainty and the nitpickiness of this complaint seem overboard, don’t you think?
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jun 30, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Get You.
You’re a Bears fan and I’m a Broncos fan. That said, how does Chicago’s record have anything to do with Denver’s record? If your point is that, regardless how Da Bears do, the Broncos will be worse, then I’m not sure how that makes any sense. Despite your being a fan, your belief that Chicago will be better than Denver puts you in the resounding majority. That said, I’m willing to go out on a limb and am now officially on the record as believing that it won’t work out that way. Oh, and thanks for paying attention to my request that people simply ignore the Broncos in this post…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jun 30, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
You know that the point of posting on sb nation is to get the opinions of others while addresing your own? You cant just say “hey im gunna post something stupid nobody comment” what is that? i believe the broncos will be worse because you have made no changes to your roster to help improve your team and you could possibly lose Brandon Marshall. Answer me this what have the broncos done to warrant any belief that they will be better than last year? what are the major offseason acquisitions Denver has made this year? Kyle Orton? Dont come hard at me just because you forked over next years number 1 overall pick to Seattle
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 5, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
If you truly believe that, then there really is no point in clarifying anything for you. That said, I’ll give you a quick breakdown. Our offense is essentially identical, with the exceptional of a greatly improved running back stable and a different QB. As I’ve already said here about Jay Cutler: he was the 16th ranked QB and lead the 16th ranked scoring offense. While healthy through the first nine weeks of the season, Orton was more proficient despite a worse supporting cast at every single position. Marshall won’t get traded unless we get bowled over by an offer and that won’t happen for the same reason I wouldn’t cry if we ever lost him: he’s starting to live up to his nickname of Baby T.O. far too well (the drops, the attitude, the overrated raw stats) already. We still have one of – if not THE best – offensive line in football and depth at all the skill positions.
As for the defense, more has changed than remained the same. Champ’s the only one back from last year’s secondary and I dare anyone to tell me who the guys that were shown the door were without looking them up. Our DBs are easily much better and deeper than they were last season. As for the front seven, things are still up in the air, but the conversion to the 3-4 means you have to forget everything you thought you knew about the guys playing those positions. People assume we don’t have the personel to run the 3-4 because they think we’ll simply play the same guys we did in similar positions, but that’s just not true. At very least, we can’t be worse than our epically bad team last year.
One thing everyone overlooks is the improved depth of this team. Expect the special teams units to be better because the overall talent of those groups has been greatly improved. An effort has been made to build long term depth and that will manifest itself in special teams play.
Look, I don’t expect you to know the inner workings of the Broncos, but the least you can do is defer to someone that may well know them better than you. We traded Jay Cutler and that’s quite literally the only spot on the roster where we got less talented , though it could be argue d that we may not be worse for it. If you think I’m pulling this out of my ass, then fine, just wait and see for yourself. Just don’t buy into the mainstream media’s shallow nonsense about my team.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 5, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing i dont do
is buy into mainstream media, i seldom watch sports center at all. what i do is go on yahoo sports and look up STATS. all your talking about is how good you are at every position and how my team is inferior to yours in every position but that doesnt explain how we did better than you this season. I’ll admit that you know more about the Broncos than me but you dont know more about Kyle Orton than me. The guy is a warrior and he’s a good quarterback for fifteen yards, after fifteen yards he becomes the poster boy for missed opportunities. When recievers do make catches downfield they are constantly coming back for the ball if not being underthrown. You wrote me an essay about how you dont need Jay Cutler but you failed to answer my question. What did the Denver Broncos do to get better this offseason?
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 5, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
In the secondary, we’ve turned an injured Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Marlon McCree and Marquand Manuel (and a handful of other failed replacements) into a healthy Champ Bailey, Andre Goodman, Brian Dawkins and Renaldo Hill. I’d argue we’ve improved at every one of those spots.
As for the front seven, it’s difficult to evaluate them without having an official depth chart to work with, but I’ll point out a couple of things. Our better linebackers from last year (D.J. Williams and Wesley Woodyard) remain and are happy with the new scheme. experienced 3-4 ILB Andra Davis and natural fit youngster Spencer Larsen – who was a pleasant surprise last year – are also in the mix inside. Other than them, we’re replacing the likes of Nate Webster and Jamie Winborn with high upside guys like Robert Ayers and Elvis Dumervil. Moreover, guys that have sputtered as 4-3 DE (like Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder) get a second shot at NFL life as 3-4 OLBs where they may well be better fits. Even more guys are getting looks at these positions and nothing is yet set in stone.
The defensive line rotation still retains our more promising guys from last year like Marcus Thomas who could play DE in the 3-4 for bulk up for NT. Ronnie Fields, an experienced NT under our new coordinator Mike Nolan (another change that is overlooked) is also an option inside. Bigger DE types like Kenny Peterson and Ryan McBean would give us the size required to man the trenches in the 3-4. Other interesting names include UDFA Chris Baker, Everette Pedescleaux and Rulon Davis, as well as FA pickups Darrell Reid and Matthias Askew, holdovers Carlton Powell and Nic Clemons. There are options and until we know who the coaching staff likes after training camp and preseason, it’s difficult to evaluate beyond that.
On defense, the leagues best offensive line will have another year of working together and individual experience to improve with. Our best running backs from last year are now fighting to remain on the roster because we’ve added better guys ahead of them. For all the talk about Marshall getting traded, he’s not going anywhere because no one will give us the value we require due to his durability and off-the-field concerns. The receivers corps has been augmented with guys that either know or fit into McDaniels’ system perfectly. Our tightends are the same with yet another addition to their ranks for added versatility. What’s not to like there?
All in all, we keep everyone who performed well from last years defense and upgraded everywhere else. Carrying the league’s third worst defense and only the 16th best offense, the Broncos still finish 8-8 last year. I just don’t see how losing Cutler, the only so-called negative move (he was average last year) makes us that much worse in the mind of so many. I see a more talented roster and, yes, better coaching schemes. This team is about an 8-8 team, mostly because of a tough schedule, and will only get better as the seasons go on. Is this what you were looking for?
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 5, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I just wanted to find out why you thought Denver would do better without Jay. since you answered that could you tell me why the bears should do worse next year?
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 5, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
Some of it is the improvement that I project for the rest of the NFC North. I have every single team therein (other than the bears, of course) doing better than they did last year. The rest of the schedule isn’t all that appealing either (I see maybe six easily manageable games). I still don’t like your offense outside of Matt Forte, maybe Olsen and Cutler’s potential. The starting defense is showing its age and will only continue to decline. I think you guys are another 8-8 type team, give or take a game.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 5, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Recievers and an old defense is all i hear about the bears. I think the leagues underestimation of our recievers is going to be a good thing. Jay Cutler reunites with his college go-to guy that made him a first overall draft pick and Hester is entering his third year as a reciever, Rashied Davis is going back to the slot position he played when we went to the superbowl (i dont know why they moved him to an outside reciever position when he’s 5’9), Johnny Knox was a sleeper pick who we’ve heard nothing but good about. im not even mentioning greg olsen and dez clark. Our D-Line is a rotation and we injected some good youth to it this ofseason, Mark Anderson who had 12 sacks just two seasons ago is going on a contract year so expect him to work, the best linebacker on our team is 24, Jamar Williams, and i expect him to seize one of the starting positions early this season. Our secondary is young as well, with the exception of charles tillman, i dont think theres a guy over 26. the only thing that is showing about our defense is that we took it down a couple notches when the head coach hired a FRIEND and/or romantic interest to be the D-Coordinator. I fully expect it to rebound next season when Lovie retakes control of the position that made him a head coach in the first place. Alot of injuries would be the only reason for us to be under .500 and anything short of 10-6 would be a surprise.
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 6, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swap Oakland and Denver
If the Donkeys win 2 games this year….I’ll be surprised!
by chrisclark_dfw on Jul 1, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Care To Wager?
If Denver win two games or less, then I’ll put the Chiefs logo as my profile image. If they win 3 or more, then you have to put the Broncos logo as your profile image. Are you gonna put your money (in this case, image) where your mouth/keyboard is?
P.S.: Judging by your membership of only this site and Arrowhead Pride here in SB Nation, I’m guessing you’re a KC fan; if you’re not, then I apologize and you can feel free to substitute your team’s logo for the Chiefs above. By the way, why so high on the Raiders and why no offense taken to Kansas City’s slot?
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 1, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks.
Your post asked for comments on anything “horribly wrong.”
Yes, I’m a Chiefs fan. I do feel they will be picking later than 5th; however, coming off last season, the schedule and all the changes a 6-7 win season is probable, IMO. So, you slot placement for KC isn’t that far off.
I hate Oakland; however, they finished 3-3 after starting the season 2-8 and switching coaches during the season. They brought in a QB, Jeff Garcia, to be the backup. He’ll end up starting after Russell struggles and with their RBs, Oakland will be a tough team. So, I think a 9-7 or better season is possible for Oakland. That should be around that 16th pick you have Denver slotted in.
I’m sure that I don’t follow the Denver Broncos offseason as closely as you, but they had the 30th ranked D (points) and from an outsiders perspective they haven’t improved. They changed the D coord, and schemes without players for the new scheme (3-4). In addition, the new HC has completed dismantled the 2nd rated offense, the strength of the team.
You are probally right though, Denver picked 12th in 2008 after an 8-8 season, losing their last how many games? They will obviously have a better year in 2009 after this offseason.
by chrisclark_dfw on Jul 1, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually.
I think that Denver will be right about 8-8, give or take a game, so their placement in the order is optimistic. As for your assesment of the team, there are a couple of flaws. The commonly parroted “2nd ranked offense” refers to yardage, not points, and last time I checked that’s not the stat they keep track off on the scoreboard. Furthermore, the offense wasn’t “dismantled”, as only Jay Cutler is gone while other positions have actually been strengthened. The defense can’t be worse (it was epically bad last season) and I actually think you could argue that it’s better at every spot because of the different scheme. If you’d like to learn more about the Broncos, feel free to drop by Mile High Report any time.
The Raiders are a popular pick to improve, mostly because people think so little of your Chiefs and my Broncos. That said, winning in KC is never easy, Denver will be at least as good as they were last year and Oakland is still Oakland. Teams will stack the line and exploit a defense that has as many standout players as it does guys that shouldn’t be starting anywhere. I’m just not on their bandwagon. Like I’ve illustrated above, I think your Chiefs will be better than them in 2009-10.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 1, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver will be MUCH worse. McDaniels IMO isnt a good coach, and teams almost always struggle when changing to a 3-4. I think the Broncos D-line looks pitifal, and the linebackers dont look much better. Plus, they lost cutler.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 1, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
How on Earth can you already have an opinion as to how good of a coach McDaniels is? The only evidence of his abilities lie with the performance of the Patriots offense in recent years and that’s all pretty positive.
Sure, teams struggle with the conversion to the 3-4, but how much worse can the defense get? We have better or returning players at nearly every spot on that side of the ball. By the way, how can you judge a front seven when you don’t know who will play where and how much? Feel free to let me know if you have any inside info as to our depth chart, because even I don’t know several spots for sure…
Losing Cutler makes us less talented, but not necessarily worse. The kid was the 16th rated QB in the league last year (think Trent Edwards) and our team was 16th in points per game. Just for further context, the Bears scored more points than the Broncos last year and, before injuring his ankle in Week 9 and rushing back too soon, Orton was out performing Cutler last season.
We may be worse than 8-8 this year, but only marginally so and mostly because we face a rough schedule. I happen to think we’ll be right around 8-8 – give or take a game – but what do I know, I don’t even listen to John Clayton!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Dumerville will be a good OLB and your D-line is very small for a 3-4 line. I also think Ayers will struggle as a LB.
And if you really think Cutler is just an average QB and Orton is better, well…
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 2, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Cutler has PERFORMED like an average QB, even in his “Pro Bowl” season. He has all the tools and it shows when you watch his highlights, but quarterbacking in the NFL is plenty mental and he lacks the maturity to fulfill his potential. Kyle Orton is less talented, but he gets everything out of his tools. Orton was a good QB, when healthy, on a Chicago team that had no WRs, a bad pass blocking OL and a weak passing scheme. When he does very well in Denver, don’t forget where you heard it first.
Our DL isn’t very small or even small for the 3-4. Though nothing is set in stone, the whispers are that the bigger guys are the frontrunners for the starting spots and that means we’ll have an average weight about 5 pounds off of a team like the Steelers.
Doubting Dumervil and Ayers is fine, though I doubt this comes from any sort of scouting on your part. The fact that they are just two of about six guys that will factor in at those OLB positions should tell you not to put too much weight into those judgements anyway.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are
HOPELESSLY optimistic. the only reason Kyle Orton did well is because opposing teams had 8 men stacked in the box at all times. We have a deep threat in devin hester. Greg Olsen caught plenty of passes. If you think Kyle Orton can get everything out of his tools you are sadly wrong. Just look at what happened with Mark Bradley. We do not have a weak passing scheme in any sense. We passed more than we ran last season and we run a hybrid west coast system that is designed to flourish against teams that commit to our running game. Oh and F.Y.I. Kyle Orton has ZERO accuracy throwing deep so get ready for alot more 3-yard check down passes and alot less first downs.
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Greg Olsen is a fine TE, but he’d likely be burried in our depth chart. Likewise, Devin Hester would struggle to make it on the field for the Broncos as maybe our 4th WR. Mark Bradley who? Moreover, our offensive line allowed a league-best 11 sacks while yours allowed 27. The single spot where the Bears offense was better than the Broncos offense was RB with Matt Forte. And don’t forget we passed the ball 100 times more than you did. Are you seriously comparing Ron Turner to Shanahan and/or McDaniels? Oh, and don’t forget the homefield disadvantage of Chicago. Expect Jay Cutler to be worse and Kyle Orton to look better. Obviously we’re not going to agree on this, so let’s just wait and see. I’ve eaten crow before and I’d be willing to do it again, so I’ll be around later in the season. Will you?
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Did you really just say greg olsen would be burried in your depth chart. Dispite the fact you passed 100 more times than we did he still caught more touchdowns and accumulated more first downs than any TE on your roster. you are obviously biased against Devin based on how he abused your team last time we played eachother. Oh about mark bradley, im sorry i expected you to know the names of starting players in your division i wont make that mistake again. I agree that your offensive line is better than ours was last season but we have three different starters this year all of which are major upgrades. And yes McDaniels was a better Offensive Coordinator but he also had a quarterback by the name of Tom Brady. Organizations have picked the apples of of Bill Belichick’s coaching tree before and results are always bad. Romeo Crennel, Al Groh, Eric Mangini, and Nick Saban? Oh and there is no such thing as homefield disadvantage in chicago because our team is built for cold weather. Jay Cutler will not be forced to throw as much because our defense can keep offenses from scoring almost 30 points a game which is something, as a Broncos fan, you should be familiar with. If the Broncos do better than the Bears I PROMISE to post a sincere apology to you on this very website or mile high whichever you prefer. ill also make either John Elway or TD my profile image they are not so bad. Are you willing to make such a wager?
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 5, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Right.
Olsen raked up the stats on the Bears last year because they had no one else to try to throw the ball to. He’d be solidly behind Daniel Graham and probably behind Tony Scheffler in our depth chart. Don’t be fooled by our receiving stats from the TEs, because we had excellent WR to hit up in the air. I’m not biased against Devin Hester. He’s fast, but that’s all he is. Funny how you took a legendary return man and turned him into a mediocre 4th WR type that stretches the field. Oh, and I didn’t mean “Mark Bradley who?” as in I honestly don’t know who he is, but more as in that guy is a never was! Judging McDaniels based on the Belichick coaching tree or anything along those lines is a touch silly. That said, he did have weapons galore there; nevertheless, his system took them to levels they had never reached before. While Chicago isn’t a disadvantage to the Bears, it is to their passing game, and that’s what I was saying.
As for the best, I’d be happy to put up my profile image against yours in a Bears v. Broncos regular season record wager. I think the most fitting thing would be to have pics of Cutler for me and Orton for you. If anything, I’ll give you the back-up of Josh McDaniels and I’ll take Devin Hester as mine. Do we have a bet?
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 5, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
yeah ill put watever picture you ask of me on the condition that you put up Devin Hester Hurdling Todd Sauerbraun (Ouch Spelling?) or Cutler in a Bears jersey. it’s not that im rooting against the Broncos or Kyle Orton because the guy was a soldier for us. its just that i hate when coaches like JM come into an organization and act like everyone is expendable. the only reason i judged Josh on the coaching tree is that all the coaches i mentioned also excelled while on BB’s coaching staff and he has no other credentials to base my opinion off of. I also apologize if i come off a little snappish but it is only because im tired of people cutting down my bears. we have only bolstered our team and people insist on believing we will be worse then last year. and about greg olsen we did have a runningback that caught 63 passes which i have never seen before. greg still stepped up whenever he was called upon with the exception of Carolina we will just have to agree to disagree on that one. and you are correct about chicago affecting passing games but that will be about 3 games.
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 5, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
and we also use a double tight-end set exclusively so Greg and Desmond Clark basically have to fight for whatever they get in addition to the large number of running back passes the bears incorporate into their playbook.
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 5, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
From what I’ve gathered, most people are extremely bullish on the Bears prospect in 2009. The same thing that’s making people think that losing Cutler will cost us multiple wins seems to apply to their assesment of Chicago in that they’ll be a couple of games better than they were last year.
As for McDaniels, I can see how bad it might look from the outside looking in, but his team-first attitude is just what the doctor ordered. We’ll see how the team deals with it moving forward, but I have faith that it will work.
I appreciate the debate we got going on here and I apologize if I ever crossed the line. Like you said, it’s tough to have people dumping on your team at every turn. This has felt like some educated trash-talking to me, so I hope you don’t mind.
As for the bet pic, I’d be fine with the Bears’ era Cutler image to counter your potential Broncos era Orton. Honestly, I think you’ve obviously got the edge in that wager, but I’m a gambling man!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 5, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well
most people i have talked to on SBN always seem to think of us as a playoff fringe team if not worse. i think Orton would be a good quarterback in some of the more quarterback friendly systems such as NE, Pre-McDaniels Denver, Indie, and Green Bay. But a system like that would never come to fruition in Chicago because of the run-first mindstate of both our head coach and O-Coordinator so you’d have to understand why we didnt wait for him to reach his potential. and who knows if McDaniels’ system is identical to the one he ran at NE Kyle might just be a 20 touchdown type guy. The wildcard of the bet is both teams respective defense.
by Staleystan595455 on Jul 5, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first paragraph is stupid.
Yes your D-line is small. DEs are supposed to be 300-320 and DTs are supposed to be 325+.
I like Dummerville, but i just think he and Ayers will be way out of position
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 5, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
By your standards, Pitt’s about as small as possible for the 3-4, but whatever. Below is a list of the 300+ pound guys currently on our roster. Keep in mind that these figures haven’t necessarily been updated and several of these guys have been bulking up for their new positions since the early offseason.
Chris Baker (325), J’Vonne Parker (325), Ronnie Fields (315), Marcus Thomas (305), Everette Pedescleaux (305), Matthias Askew (302), Carlton Powell (300), Nic Clemons (300), Kenny Peterson (300), Ryan McBean (290), Darrell Reid (288) and Rulon Davis (281).
From what I’ve read, at least Thomas and Powell have been bulking up to compete for the NT spot and everyone else has been filling out to be solid 3-4 DEs. The UDFA (Baker, Pedescleaux and Davis) have some work to do to stay off the practice squad, but they each have great potential. If I had to call it now, then I’d say Fields and Peterson are likely starters and the other DE spot is up in the air. Moreover, I’d expect plenty of rotation up front to keep people fresh so they can be more effective. Is it unreasonable to expect an opening day starting front three of right around 300-325-300, like the Steelers put out there? We won’t be significantly undersized…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 5, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I’ll believe you. Yahoo had your guys listed at 290-315-300, so I blame them
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 6, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I’ll believe you. Yahoo had your guys listed at 290-315-300, so I blame them
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 6, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depth Chart.
Teams don’t release their depth charts until after training camp. Judging by the fact that updated measurements and the names of the starters are currently unknown, you should wait for a while until basing judgement.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 6, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Care To Wager?
If Denver win two games or less, then I’ll put the Chiefs logo as my profile image. If they win 3 or more, then you have to put the Broncos logo as your profile image. Are you gonna put your money (in this case, image) where your mouth/keyboard is?
P.S.: Judging by your membership of only this site and Arrowhead Pride here in SB Nation, I’m guessing you’re a KC fan; if you’re not, then I apologize and you can feel free to substitute your team’s logo for the Chiefs above. By the way, why so high on the Raiders and why no offense taken to Kansas City’s slot?
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 1, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way Jacksonville picks in the Top 10 this year. I'd say 14-18
Steelers won’t win the Super Bowl, almost certainly because of Tom Brady returning. Baltimore is going to take a dive. The Jets will be lower, the Packers will be higher.
All I can think of for now.
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 1, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Do you see the Steelers regressing so much that putting them at #32 is negligent? I could see Baltimore falling back some, but I think people underrate just how good they were last season. I’m not sure what you mean by “lower” and “higher”, but I would imagine that you believe that the Jets will be worse than a fringe playoff contender (I really like their defense) and that the Packers will be better than middle-of-the-pack (why are people not concerned about their conversion to the 3-4) but I will tell you that those two gave me problems with slotting. Oh, and the Jags… I just think they missed their window and will have to begin rebuilding. Thanks for not mentioning the Broncos!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 1, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is your reason for this?
Baltimore is going to take a dive.
Let me guess. You think replacing Bart Scott will be impossible when the Ravens have replaced guys from his position in the past such as Jamie Sharper, Ed Hartwell and Adalius Thomas. You think Jim Leonhard leaving is a huge loss when we have our REAL starting SS since 2006, Dawan Landry, coming back to play full time. And you also think that losing Rex Ryan will be the hardest thing to over come since we never over came losing Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan to head coaching jobs.
Am I right about that being your reason for our so called “dive”? Just like the rest of the average football fans out there, you are brain washed from everything you read and hear from ESPN. Still would love to hear your reasons for Baltimore’s “dive”
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN
If you think it’s tough with the traditional media being a Ravens fan, imagine being a Broncos fan! Like I said above, I think people don’t really know just how good Baltimore was last year. Like you add, people also overlook how resilient they’ve been as a franchise.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sir
Good man. But the thing is that the Broncos have been a storied franchise for a while. Its teams like the Ravens, Panthers, Jags, and others that they write off because we have a very short history. People get caught up in everything these so called “experts” say, when they are just being hard headed and wont do their research.
Everyone is looking at the FEW people we lost rather then the MANY people we added.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 2, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think Baltimore is going to take a dive because I'm not sold on Flacco
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Jul 3, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just in my opinion
I think the Raiders will do much better than you have them currently. Their running game is one of the top five in the NFL, Russell is getting better every year, Zach Miller has emerged as one of the league’s best tight ends, and some his wideouts stepped up last year. Not to mention, they still have the best corner in the league in Asomugha. I think a 6-7 win season is definitely possible especially in the division they play in (Yea, you overrate the Broncos haha), but almost no one is going to agree with me on this.
Anyway, I am not a Raiders fan but I am an Eagles fan. Some of our needs are Tight End, Defensive Line, and Offensive Line.
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by YoSixers on Jul 1, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Figured.
“Sixers” was a big hint about your alligences (hahaha). Special thanks for the team needs, man! As for the Raiders, I think plenty of people like them for many of the same reasons as you do. I obviously don’t agree, but we’ll just have to wait and see. How do you like my prediction for your Eagles?
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 1, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles
Eagles will be in the Super Bowl this year, our pieces are finally all coming together nicely and this year is better than ever. But I am fine where you have them, because that is where they get to and lose every year.
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by YoSixers on Jul 2, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really Like The Eagles.
I’ve always wondered by Westbrook wasn’t being considered as one of the absolute best players in pro football sooner. I have my doubts about their rookies making that big of an impact, their problems with coaching and the durability of their stars. That said, they’re a very well run franchise and perrenial competitors. Good luck this season and thanks for chiming in!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Colts are re-taking the AFC South
They won 12 games when Peyton couldn’t run, even the couple yards it takes for the stretch play, and didn’t have his deep ball on target until midseason. Their starting DTs averaged 260lbs. Their interior line was gutted by injuries.
The Colts lost Dungy, but they have his hand picked successor, and they lost Marvin, but he hadn’t been close to the same player since he hurt his knee 5 games into 2007.
The Titans on the other hand lost their best player and are relying on a 37 year old who they didn’t even think was the best QB on the roster this time last year to give them a passing game.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
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by shake n bake on Jul 1, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
You are going to have some problems with Houston this year. That team is on the verge of exploding on the scene in this league and do big things. I do think the Colts will make the playoffs, but I think it will be wild card. Houston IMO will take the division.
Who is going to be your 3rd WR?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 1, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston really needs Schuab to stay healthy
and I’m not sure the OL has been upgraded enough to insure that.
For the 3rd WR, right now I’d say it’s going to be Dallas Clark. The Colts run a 2 TE base and go 3 wide on 3rd downs and 2 minute drills. Pierre Garcon (6th round pick in 08, dominant player at the DIII level) is getting a lot of praise, but I think it’ll be like 2006. Same personnel for the 2 TE and the 3 WR set, just in the 3 wide they put Clark in the slot. Gijon Robinson (last years starter) or Tom Santi (another ’08 6th round pick) will be the blocking TE.
So Wayne and Gonzalez wide, Gijon or Santi in-line, Clark either in-line or the slot depending on the situation and Addai or Brown in the backfield
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 1, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the O-Line is where the most questions will be for the Texans
They have not done much to upgrade the most important part of the offense, but the guys outside of the O-Line are really, really good. If Schaub can indeed stay healthy (for once) they will be a team to watch. I am also a fan of their defense.
The Colts can very well make the playoffs, you have Peyton Manning. I just hope the players will buy into a more hard nosed, in your face style of coaching rather then Dungy’s very calm and collective style. But it looks like that transition is going well, right?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 2, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caldwell is not hard nosed in your face at all
he’s like Dungy in a different body. There might be a bit of a shift in personality between Meeks/Purnell to Coyer/Rysinski, but at the top it’s the same attitude.
The transition looked like it would be rocky for a while when Tom Moore and Howard Mudd retired because of pension issues, but they will be back at the start of training camp as consultants doing the same jobs (OC and OL coach).
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 2, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston.
I think that the Texans are now where the Cards were a few years back. They have tons of talent, but they haven’t put it all together yet. They’re a popular pick (like Arizona had been in the NFC West) but I’m not buying it. The OL is where it begins and ends and they just don’t have it there yet. Close, but no cigar.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That is a great comparison to the Cards over the last few years. But the difference for me is their defense. I really think they have a group of defenders that could be in the top 10 statistically. From front to back, their starting 11 on defense is very solid. The safeties might be the only question, but I like everything else.
But if they can just stick to their game plan, I really like the things that the Texans can do.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 2, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've got a lot of nice looking pieces on D
but they need to live up to their promise. Texans were a bottom 6 defense by points scored and DVOA. Cushing and Barwin are nice pieces, but not going to change the D alone. Guys like Okoye, Adibi, Bennett, Reeves have to become good players instead of just having potential.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 2, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Building Blocks.
They’ve definitely done a great job building that roster since Kubiak came over from Denver (yeah, I’ll take a touch of credit for anything I can get) and I like them as their window begins to open now. I’m just not sure they’re there yet. I expect more flashes of greatness and fewer drops into mediocrity, but I see them as a good team at best in 2009…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOUSTON
buy the hype…prolly one of teh most fun offenses to watch will only get healthier and better…our DEF is a lot better than last year and a new DC means blitz blitz blitz…top 10 DEF this year…
they will pick prolly 32….def. no higher (or lower depending on how u see it) than 20
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 2, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definite Playoffs?
I don’t know about that…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh for needs
Depends on who they re-sign
CB looks like a need, but not so much if they re-sign Marlin Jackson and/or a CB who isn’t in a contract year ousts Tim Jennings from the nickel spot.
Maybe MLB as well depending on whether they want to re-sign a 30 year old Gary Brackett.
OT is possible too if Ugoh and/or Diem don’t play better this year.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 1, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
This part of my post has been lost in the shuffle and I appreciate your taking the time to reply to my request. Thanks!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Titans will win the division. The Texans will be second
When Manning says he doesnt like the staff, there is a hint that they arent too good.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 2, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did Peyton say anything like that?
The only thing he’s had to say all offseason other than praising the coaches, is being frustrated with the FO for not letting him know what was going on with Moore/Mudd’s situation.
Feel free to post whatever quote made you draw that conclusion. I haven’t seen anything resembling bashing of Caldwell, Coyer or Rysinski (the 3 new or newly promoted coaches).
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 2, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I believe shake n bake is correct about the Manning quotes that others seem to be warping in a mad game of media telephone.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the media warping has to do with how tight lipped the Colts are
Their FO, Bill Polian in particular, hates leaks, and doesn’t have much interest in giving fans access (just a great on the field product). Just look at how they are around the draft. No one links them to their picks beforehand. I never saw anything indication Donald Brown being on Indy’s radar, two years ago Anthony Gonzalez talked about how surprised he was when Indy took him because he hadn’t talked to anyone from the organization since either the combine or the college all-star games.
When there isn’t much, if any information out there, what does come out will get taken and run with.
That's big talk for a little guy,
but I'm walkin' without reply.
-Lil Wayne "Mr. Postman"
by shake n bake on Jul 2, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels.
I have a feeling that this exact phenomenon is beginning to take hold in Denver.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The End of Round One.
The rules changed, so the playoff teams will be order by the round in which they lose and their record within those tiers. In my mock, they would have had the best record among teams that lost in the Wild Card round (though I didn’t think about it that much). So, while my order doesn’t indicate whether or not they won their division, I’ll go ahead and say that I think they have a very good chance of it but I favor the Titans still. Like Baltimore, I think people forget just how good Tennessee was last year. Sure, they have their question marks, but everyone does. I have a ton of respect for Indy and I think they have a high ceiling, but I’m not going there yet.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The browns 6th? no.
The BROWNS were KILLED by injuries to both lines, linebackers, and the secondary. And thats not to mention two of our starting receivers were never healthy. Oh yeah, and by the end of the year we were on our 4TH STRING QB.
The other thing that hurt us is bad coaching. Romeo Crennell was an awful coach, and his coordinators were bad too. This year we have a new coaching staff that we know is much better than our last one. I know that you all probably dont think Mangini is good, but what is so bad about him. His 2 winning seasons in 3 years with the Jets?
Our new coaching staff also includes Rob Ryan, who is a proven great Defensive Coordinator.
In the FA we gained some much needed depth, and some good players too.
We also drafted well IMO, especially if you count the players we aquired in the draftday trade.
So I expect us to be MUCH better than last year, where we drafted 5th.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 2, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHA!
You are everywhere! Ok, ok, maybe not 6th. How about you draft 5th again?
You talk of having a 4th string QB playing, but DA still has a chance to start. He is equivalent to a 5th string QB. Eric Mangina is not going to save anything. He is lazy and just wants to get games over with.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 2, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really need to stop using that injuries thing as your excuse
The Ravens were 2nd in the league last year with 20 players on IR, including 4 starters on defense, and we made it to the AFCC. It is not the injuries that were your problem, it was the lack of depth (and talent) that killed you.
You have a new coach who couldn’t get it done with a much better all around team in New York. Rob Ryan is not his brother or father.
You draft Alex Mack just to spite the Steelers who needed a center and drafted the two WR just to spite the Ravens. You needed exterior lineman to help fend off the vicious edge rushers in this division. Pork Chop is not going to cut it at RT.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 2, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to seperate this into a few posts.
First of all, hear are the reasons we drafted Mack;
- Center was the weakest part of our O-line
- Mangini drafted Nick Mangold in the 1st round with the jets a few years ago and that worked out well.
-We need to run the ball better this year
- Hank Fraley is old and not very good.
Who could we have drafted that wouldnt have “spited” another team?
No we did not draft WRs to spite the Ravens. WR was arguably our biggest need. You just sound paranoid now.
The last sentence just further proves how little you actually know about the Browns. Pork Chop will not be our RT. It will either be Tucker or St. Clair. Foster would even play RT before Pork Chop .Pork Chop may start at guard, but definatly not tackle.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 6, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Me.
I’m not as clued in as you on your own team, nor am I even as informed on them as Mr MaLoR seems to be, but your points above don’t impress me all that much. I’m not that high on Mangini as you are nor am I as low on him as MaLor; that said, he’s an improvement over Crennell. I didn’t particularly like your free agency or draft, so much so, in fact, that I’ve almost forgetten everything you did. I’m just not high on Cleveland at all, obviously. Someone has to be that bad and the Browns have the track record.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 2, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Malor isnt informed. He just pretends to be.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 2, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I speak the truth
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 3, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How come you didn’t have a response to my injuries comment above?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 3, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry i did but i accidentally deleted it.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 5, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RePost?
If you’d like to prove him wrong, I’d appreciate it if you did…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 5, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that?
Because I proved him wrong? What else does he have to prove? He stated that the reason the Browns did so badly last year was because of injuries.
I proved that injuries are in no way the reason they did so poorly. Ravens had the 2nd most players on IR last year in the league, along with setting a franchise record for most people on IR, 20, and made it to the AFCC.
His team lost because of lack of depth and elite talent at all positions. You have back-ups for a reason, to step up when needed. So elite, top notch organizations like the Ravens, and the few others out there like NE, Pitt, Indi, etc actually take a great part of their jobs in making sure they have the best talent available in their back-ups. The Browns do not do that.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 6, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mangini has done a good job aquring depth. We may not have as good of depth as the teams like the Steelers or Patriots, but we have much better depth than any of the Crennel or Davis years.
Also, I doubt the Steelers or Patriots would have won many games with Dorsey or Gradikowski as their QB.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 6, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was upset
To see that Mangini brought over washed up Jets players, but I guess its what he feels comfortable with. Your offense is nasty, but it just decided not to show up some days. Quinn is probably the best choice right now and its unfortunate that you guys bought into DA so early (Knew it along).
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Jul 7, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenyon Coleman and Abe Elam are still good. Barton is solid too. The rest of the Jets were signed mostly for depth.
Quinn will more than likely be the starter
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 7, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy smokes
70+ comments? Good work guys. Keep up the conversation!
by Mocking Dan on Jul 6, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
We’ve gone into other topics that generally pertain to the draft order (the merits of teams like the Broncos, Bears, Ravens, Browns, Colts and Texans mainly, among others) but it surely has been a very active thread. It’s incredibly difficult to put together a mock draft without even updated depth charts to work with, so my hat’s off to you for giving it a try a while back. I’m still tweeking mine and hoping to get it out soon. Thanks for checking in on this!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 6, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any Day
You got my boys in the Black and Gold Repeating I’m voting A.
"That Troy Polamaga guy looks like Predator"-A less than knowledgeable fan's view on Superbowl 43.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Jul 6, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In order of weirdness…
No the Jets finish second in the AFC East. Were I’m sitting they look like a lock for a top 10 pick…
The 49ers are one of the teams I don’t really pay much attention to, but aren’t they supposed to challenge Arizona in the NFC West? So eighth overall seems kind of low… Even if you have three teams from that division in the top 10…
I don’t think the Vikings make the playoffs… Right now, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them finish below the Packers and Bears…
And the Texans and Jaguars both seem pretty low…
Over all, not too bad, B-
by thatzakkid on Jul 10, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Browns biggest needs will be RB and a DE for a 3-4 defense. RT and S also MIGHT be needs
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 12, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
I apreciate every bit of insider info I can get on these teams.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 13, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
get a clue dude, you couldn't be more wrong
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Jul 17, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
I’ll be sure to slide the Cowboys to #32 next time so I can garner your approval. Thanks for chiming in with such depth though!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 20, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he say to slide them to 32....
No but it would be more realistic to put them in the 20s
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Jul 22, 2009 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Because they’re so much better than they were last year…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 22, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaguars probably wouldn't be in top 10
We have a better O-Line and that was the main reason why we sucked last year. So i;d say maybe 13.
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by TheTealDeal on Jul 20, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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