Team Needs
OK, so I am going to be doing my own Mock Draft. I have never tried one before so if you dont like it dont be hateful, but I will take constructive criticism. Do not comment, though, on the order of the teams, or I will ignore you. Before I do my mock, I want to make sure I have the team needs right, so please tell me how my needs chart looks. And can someone make a list of which teams have first rounders aquired from trades?
Note: Broncos guy, dont worry I wont give your team a QB in the first round.
AFC East
New England- OLB, RB
Miami - DE, DT
New York - WR, DE, TE
Buffalo - DE, LT
AFC North
Pittsburgh- O-line, S
Baltimore - WR, CB, DE
Cleveland - RB, DE
Cincinnati - DE, LT
AFC South
Tennessee - QB, OT
Houston - RB, S
Indianapolis- WR, S, LB, DT
Jacksonville- WR, DE, CB
AFC West
San Diego - DT, WR, OT
Kansas City- CB, LB, RB, OT
Denver -Front 7, QB
Oakland - A fast guy
NFC East
New York - S
Philadephia- LB, TE
Dallas - S, WR, CB
Washington- QB, DE, S, WR
NFC North
Minnesota - QB, MLB
Chicago - OL, WR
Green Bay- RB, DE, DB
Detroit - OL, Everywhere on defense
NFC South
Carolina - DT, QB
Atlanta -RT, CB, OLB
New Orleans - RB, G, DE
Tampa Bay -DT, WR, LT
NFC West
Arizona - DE, DT
Seattle - WR, QB, DT,
San Francisco- QB, DT, DE
St. Louis - Everywhere but RB
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Broncos.
While I’m high on some longterm developemental prospects (Chris Baker, everette Pedescleaux and Rulon Jones) and other overachieving youngsters (Wesley Woodyard and Spencer Larsen) up front on defense, I definitely think that’s where we’d look to upgrade with premium picks and that’s even if some of the position switching players pan out nicely. If you break it down, then I’d say that NT, DE, ILB and OLB would be our greatest needs in order. I think we may consider a WR, CB and/or QB if the value was just overwhelming. I hope that helps…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2009 1:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You all loaded up on DBs and you already have two good WRs so I will probably stick with front 7 players and maybe a QB if there is a lot of value. I dont think Tebow would fit your offense though, do you?
Your only pick is Chicago’s right?
And by the way dont you mean Rulon Davis?
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answers.
If you’re doing a first rounder, then you’d be safest sticking to the front seven. Our only pick is Chicago’s, with Seattle having ours. Drafting a WR would be for Marshall insurance and a CB would be assuming Goodman’s out and we need a new #2 or nickel guy (those are more than a luxury in today’s NFL). I definitely think Tebow would be interesting to the Broncos, but QB is so low on our ladder that it’d be highly unlikely in the first round. I definitely meant Davis. I still haven’t gotten to sleep and that’s bad for posting! Hope this helps and good luck with your mock.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you already lost faith in Alphonso Smith?
And I think Rulon has maxed out his potential because he is already like 26
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
If/When Goodman’s out, we’ll either need a #2 if Smith falters or a new nickel if he succeeds. In today’s NFL, you need at least three quality corners. I have high hopes for Smith, actually.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea i think he should be pretty good too. What do you think about Bruton?
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
I’d like for him to succeed, but he’s got some work to do. McBath is one half of our safety combo for the future and Bruton will have to fend off Josh Barrett to earn his place. He’ll contribute in special teams, which is nice, but I don’t know if he factors into our longterm picture at the position.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being an ND fan I hope he suceeds. He defineatly has the tools (4.3 speed)
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ejruiz…QB, really??? I thought Coach McD had his three QB’s of the future? Please explain, because I think J Snead is the best value you could land with the Bears pick.
I like Wesley Woodyard a lot…. I can’t believe he didn’t get drafted.
Quinn…Keep in mind, not every team will draft strictly for "need".
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by MBoz126 on Jul 24, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I know, but I just want to make sure I have the needs right. I have some value picks
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
When I posted my comment, I gave info for a full draft; my bad. I sincerely doubt we’d take a QB, WR or CB in the first round; more than anything, my lists are the inverse of our “we’re absolutely set list” seeing as we couldn’t possibly need another RB, TE, OL or S. You’ll notice that I placed the four front seven spots of greatest need separate from the fringe needs that you noticed. If it helps, I’m thinking more of “Tebow in the second round” kind of value for McD to pull that trigger.
Glad you like Woodyard; I liked him as a late round pick and loved him as an UDFA. I think McD and Xanders did an amazing job with UDFA this year, by the way.
I’d rather not touch the third rail that is the Broncos QB depth chart, but I will reiterate my statements: Orton is his pick for the present, Simms is the immediate fall back and Brandstater is the long term project. I think he’s comfortable with that and since he’s staked his rep on it, I don’t expect him to back track in Year 2 like that unless he absolutely has to.
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by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colts
The Colts needs are hard to pin down right now.
WR-It depends on what Garcon and Collie show this year, and the Colts run a 2TE base with Clark, so a 3rd WR isn’t a starting position, but it’s not out of the question if neither young guy looks special.
LB- I’d change it to MLB, both their projected starters at OLB are signed through 2010 and they are backed up by ex-starters. At MLB Gary Brackett will turn 30 after the season and will be a free agent.
DT- They stocked up on DTs this offseason, obviously if the string of bad luck with DTs the Colts have had over the last 3 years* continues they’d need one, but right now they’ve added so much that one of last years starters might get cut.
S- Both Bethea and Bullitt’s deals are up at the end of the year, but Bullitt would be an RFA and Bethea would be to if 2010 is uncapped. At least one will should stay making it just a depth need.
Positions I’d Add
OT- Tony Ugoh needs to stay healthy and play more consistently, Ryan Diem looked like the most washed up player on the Colts O last year. Charlie Johnson coming in at tackle universally triggers profanity among Colts fans.
CB- Kelvin Hayden got a long term deal, but all the experience behind him will be free agents after the season. With New DC Larry Coyer wanting to actually blitz every once and a while they’ll need more from their CBs.
*Two season ending injuries in preseason, 1 retirement in route to camp after 1 season, 1 season ending car accident on the way to a game, 1 pot arrest while on zero tolerance
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by shake n bake on Jul 24, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who would you rather have;
Gerald McCoy
Trent Williams
Brandon Lafell
Brandon Spikes
Rolando McClain
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go Trent Williams
but if either of the MLBs could handle the coverage responsibilities of a T-2 MLB (most downs dropping to almost deep middle to cover the gap in front of/seam between, the safeties) they might be my pick (the report on Spikes had me thinking no, didn’t find anything to convince me either way on McClain)
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by shake n bake on Jul 24, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im still considering McCoy for value but I will take what you said into consideration
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he would make your D-line just scary
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see it
the Colts don’t have a clear need right now. They have a bunch of possible needs.
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by shake n bake on Jul 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals
First, I’d take defensive end off the list entirely unless you think that Darnell Dockett is going to traded sometime before next April. The Cardinals are three deep at DE (DD, Calais Campbell and Kenny Iwebema) and having this position listed at the top of the ‘needs’ list seems way off to me.
As for defensive tackle, that’s a possibility but it could go either way. They’ve got two young guys (Watson and Branch) would are under the team’s control for a while (assuming we’re talking about the six years of RFA) and both have some talent. Watson has struggled to stay healthy and Branch has struggled to stay in shape but if one of them shows improvement and plays up to potential this year, I’d bump this way down the list. If they both play well this year then it’s not even on the radar but if they bomb, it could be very close to the top.
This would be my list though:
1. OLB – they drafted two last year (2nd and 6th round) but everyone else on the depth chart is over 32.
2. ILB – assuming that Dansby is gone next year which looks more like probable than possible.
3. TE – The Cards have six on the roster right now and no front runner to win the job….quantity over quality at this point.
4.OL – I’m sure they’ll take an OL again, I’m just now sure where.
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by Bezekira on Jul 24, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well isnt Dockett a tackle? Thats what Yahoo has him listed as
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was a tackle
The Cards are moving the 3-4 and he’ll be a DE in that system.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Jul 24, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cards are running a 3-4? Since when
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they ran a hybrid last year
I’m pretty sure
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by shake n bake on Jul 24, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Billy D was promoted to DC ,the staff has commited to the 3-4
Whiz has been easing the team and personnel into a full 3-4 since he got here 2 years ago. This is the first year where they are going full bore.
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by Red Reign on Jul 27, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea exactly....a couple years of 'hybrid' transition and this year should be full bore 3-4
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Jul 27, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you run a hybrid then I think you all will need a DE/OLB. Im glad I figured this out before I gave you all Wooton
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they did...KC will do the same this year
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by MBoz126 on Jul 24, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually.
I believe Denver won’t be straight 3-4 this season either…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Jul 24, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think the Giants top need is a safety?
Kenny Phillips is a physical-playmaker. I think he will be the breakout defensive player of the year in 2009-2010. He got better each game last year and added 16 pounds this offseason.
Michael Johnson is a solid player….I think outside backer or corner is a bigger "need."
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by MBoz126 on Jul 24, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really I didnt see any needs when I looked at the Giants
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC doesn’t need a CB either…they have 4 very young and talented CB’s already. (Carr, Flowers, Leggett, and Washington)
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by MBoz126 on Jul 24, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, Ill take your word for it. Ill have to redo part of it because I had you all taking Haden.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is Branden Albert? Is he is good enough to be a LT or should he be moved to the right side?
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely good enough to stay at LT
Probably looking OG to replace Waters and Goff near future.
Priority would be Middle LB and another OLB, then WR, OG. and power RB.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 25, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston
if you are going first round it DEFINETLY SAFETY!
99 percent safety unless a career ending injury or huge trade occurs or Dominque Barber and Nick Ferguson become Ed Reed all the sudden
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 24, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont I will because Mays and Berry were taken in my top 10.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 24, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear yea...but who knows
still think they go secondary
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 26, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panthers
-DT that can take 2 blockers is a must alongside Kemo. The loss of Jenkins killed our run D last year.
-QB… as much as I want to agree, I don’t see the team going with a QB unless its something late. I don’t see them looking at one.
-WR is a need. Behind Smith & Moose, things are iffy. Moose is almost done. And Dwayne Jarrett has been a colossal bust so far.
The Panthers don’t have a 1st rounder… it belongs to the Niners.
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by UtesFan89 on Jul 25, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seattle.
Qb is a definite need in the next draft. WR and DT, not really.
Seattle’s other needs are certainly S, OT, and HB
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by Wayward Llama on Jul 25, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
didnt
the lions get a first rounder form the cowboys, or was that last years draft?
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by The_Fan on Jul 26, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
bears OL is pretty good, but could be improved, and we desperatly need wide reicevers
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by The_Fan on Jul 26, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pace wont last forever and Shaffer is a downgrade from St. Clair
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but our main need and a couple of our picks should be on wide riecevers
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by The_Fan on Jul 27, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. Cutler is a beast and he needs targets. I wouldnt be surprised though if you all pick up a WR in the free agency.
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 27, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it should be interesting
but hopefully Hester and our other wide reicevers develop well in training camp
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by The_Fan on Jul 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants?
why the hell do the Giants need a safety? Yea Ronny lott isn’t patrolling the middle for us, but Michael Johnson and Kenny Phillips are both young and have lots of potential. Terrell Thomas may get some snaps there too.
You do a first round mock, there’s no reason for th Gints to grab a safety.
As of this moment, the best way Id say for th Giants to go is MLB. Pierce is old and not fast, and also Jon Goff was out most of last year so no one’s really sure if he can replace AP.
Should this mock so happen to allow either Rolando McClain, Brandon Spikes (lol if it does) or Sean Witherspoon to fall to the Gints, there’s your pick.
And it might sound crazy (and scary to opposing QB’s), but another pass rusher could also be an option. Can never have too many of them (if Greg Hardy falls to the Gints……)
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I already said that I didnt really find any NEEDS for the Giants so calm down. I think that the Giants should just pick for value.
And dont you all go pretty deep at DE with Tuck, Umenyiora, and Kiwanuka
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 26, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol at calm down
I didn’t mean that to be a grrr. post, tho I guess it was too long.
Im just saying, the value of safety in the first round for the Giants isn’t needed. They have young players there and one in Phillips who may start to show signs of being a star in his second year.
MLB is as much a question as any position, so if your doing a mock 2010 draft that should be it. By the time the actual draft rolls around, Goff may show enough to where its not.
And the GInts go deep at DE, but like I said you can never have too many. 4 DE’s who eat QB’s is better than 3.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 26, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was mostly the first sentence that made me think you were mad.
But when you can only use 2 DE on one play and you have a guy that is as beastly as Tuck, and two guys who are capable of 10 sacks if they start, then DE would be one of the last positions I would draft for you all
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can definitely use more than two DE on one play
See their “Four Aces” Package from 2007. Although I still agree that the Giants probably won’t go DL with their first rounder.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 19, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jags
WR: We brought Torry Holt in during the off-season to serve as a stopgap and tutor the younger receivers. Behind Holt we have a lot of questions, but at the same time a ton of potential. Mike Walker looks like a future Reggie Wayne if he can stay healthy. Jarrett Dilliard and Mike Thomas so far have looked good in OTAs and could turn out to be steals, since they were 5th and 4th round picks respectively. And Tiquan Underwood was drafted in the 7th, and could possibly become a Devery Henderson type player. Nate Hughes and Troy Williamson offer different skills as well. The receiving group is young, and we could be set for years at the position if they perform as expected this season.
DE: Once again, young group, but potential to be great. Derrick Harvey will start full time this season; a breakout Mario Williams esque sophomore season would be much appreciated by both the fans and coaches/FO. Quentin Groves has put on about 20 pounds of muscle this off-season, and will serve as a situational passrusher this season. Reggie Hayward will start opposite of Harvey. Hayward is a savvy veteran who is capable of posting a 10 sack season if fully healthy. Julius Williams is an undrafted rookie who could be another pass rush specialist. DE shouldn’t be a need, if again, everything goes as planned.
CB: Rashean Mathis has plenty left in the tank. Last season he picked off 4 passes and took two back to the house, playing in a defense with a sub-par passrush and problems in the secondary. Brain Williams has moved back to corner, and will compete with promising rookie Derek Cox for the starting gig. The loser will most likely play nickel corner. Scott Starks is a nice backup and special teams player, and the Jags have some “Jars on the shelf” type players that could be developed on the practice squad. Not an immediate need right now.
The Jaguars biggest need right now is without a doubt defensive tackle. John Henderson has for some reason turned out to be sorry this offseason, and we are thin there. Next years first rounder will probably be spent on a defensive tackle or interior offensive lineman. Just sayin’
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by Bestjagfan on Jul 27, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone looks good in OTAs so you cant rely on those. And you are being WAY too optimistic. Harvey isnt Mario Williams, and Walker isnt Reggie Wayne. I think that Mike Thomas will be a great slot receiver for you guys, but I dont have as much faith in Dilliard. His speed and route running are both concerns. Behind Holt, I just dont see anyone who can be a No. 1 receiver. Just sayin’
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 27, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
Thats why I said thats only if everything goes according to plan. I also said if the guys can carry their progress from OTAs into training camp, then we could be much improved on both sides of the ball. Mike Walker could be the next Reggie Wayne. When he was fully healthy last season, between weeks 4 and 5, he posted 11 receptions for 153 yards and a 13.9 yard average. And most of that came in week 5, in which he had 6 receptions for 107 yards and a 17.8 yard average, against the number 1 rated defense against the pass. The Pittsburgh Steelers.
I’m iffy on Dilliard as well; but nearly everyone on Big Cat Country is excited about him, so I’m remaining optimistic. Harvey could breakout this season… until he does, if he does, how do you know he can’t turn out to be another Mario Williams.
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by Bestjagfan on Jul 27, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you like to wager with me if he becomes the next Mario?
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 27, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*about if he becomes the next Mario
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 27, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
How many sacks does he have to have next season. Wanna say 10?
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by Bestjagfan on Jul 28, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harvey will get 5+ sack for sure
Thats not optimism speaking that’s SOS, Strength of schedule talking.
An Updated needs for the Jaguars could be:
DT, John Henderson is on the decline.
QB: We have Garrard, then an old journeyman in Bouman and a local kid named Paul Smith, Paul has looked intruging but i rather him stay off the field, so i’d say look for jags to do BAP but if Tebow or Snead are available and the price is right, pull the trigger.
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 14, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to say
Maybe a Guard, they are kinda old and can get injured.
Center i think we have a gem in Cecil Newton, so we’ll see.
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 14, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You all also need a backup QB
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Jul 27, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what the draft is for of course
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 16, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bills - assuming Jauron does enough to keep his job
CB to replace McGee if he doesn’t re-sign
DE to replace Kelsay
LB to replace/upgrade Ellison
OT (maybe) if Walker doesn’t work. I really like Demetrius Bell as a prospect though so maybe not.
Without Jauron, this blows up because the team blows up more than likely.
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by MattRichWarren on Jul 29, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quinn?
Where’s this much anticipated Mock Draft???
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by MBoz126 on Aug 12, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With school started up I dont have time to explain each pick. I can post up just the draft though?
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 12, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm interested to see it
though I bet you’ll get asked to explain pretty much every pick by commenters
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by shake n bake on Aug 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea OK sure. But I better not see any comments about the order I put the teams in.
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 13, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as the Browns pick in the top 5, it could be legit
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Falcons
I’m a little late here, but I wanted to share my thoughts on the Falcons.
RT: Tyson Clabo signed his one year RFA tender (so did RG Harvey Dahl), and will be unrestricted next offseason (I think). The team drafted Garrett Reynolds in the 5th round this year (he’s listed as the backup on the unofficial depth chart). Certainly a need, depending on what happens with Clabo.
CB: The team certainly has enough bodies – I’m not sure about the quality, though. Chris Houston is the #1 guy, with Chevis Jackson (who played well last year as the Nickle), Brent Grimes (high praise out of camp), and this year’s third round pick Christopher Owens fighting for the #2 and Nickle spots. They also drafted William Middleton in the 5th round this year, and have veteran Von Hutchins listed as CB (although word out of camp is he’s working mostly as a Safety). I’d be a little surprised if the team used an early draft pick on a CB.
OLB: Yes, I’d put this near the top of the list of needs. Mike Peterson is 33. Stephen Nicholas is unproven. Jamie Winborn and Coy Wire are both 30, and mediocre.
Other positions of need I’d add:
DE: John Abraham is 31 (under contract thru 2011). Jamaal Anderson is looking like a bust (under contract thru 2011). The team drafted Lawrence Sidbury in the 4th round, and re-signed Chauncey Davis, but they may need a replacement for Abe or an upgrade for Jamaal soon.
OC: Todd McClure is 32, and there were rumors that he threatened to retire if his contract wasn’t renegotiated this offseason. The team signed Brett Romberg as a FA, but he’s 29 and only has 18 career starts.
Backup QB: Obviously this wouldn’t be a high draft pick, but the contracts of both Chris Redman and DJ Shockley expire after this season. The team may re-sign one (or both), sign another FA, or draft a guy late.
by orang3b on Aug 13, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Sidburry was from the 3rd, and I think he will be a good starter
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 13, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about WR?
You guys sure seem to be a bit decimated with injuries and inexperience this year. Depending on draft order and what’s available, couldn’t that be an avenue to go? Not saying it’s a top priority, but don’t you need someone for Ryan to throw to?
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story.
-Barney Stinson
by Red Reign on Aug 17, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Roddy White (#1) and Michael Jenkins (#2) both recently got contract extensions, Harry Douglas (#3) is out this year with a torn ACL, but should be fine for next year. The team will probably carry Brian Finneran (#4), one other veteran they recently signed (#5 – Marty Booker, Robert Ferguson), and/or one youngster (#6 – Eric Weems, Aaron Kelly, etc). If one (or more) of the young guys makes the roster and is able to perform, the team should feel pretty good about the WR’s in 2010, maybe picking up somebody late… I’m actually more concerned about the TE position, depending on how long Tony Gonzalez sticks around before he decides to retire.
by orang3b on Aug 18, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure you're right.
I don’t follow the Falcons all that closely, but relying on Finneran at the 3 this year and then aging Booker and Fergie is a bit much. I am not saying it should be a day 1 option, but maybe something to look at later depending on what’s available.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again. True story.
-Barney Stinson
by Red Reign on Aug 20, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That they’re shakey at best after the top two this year – but there’s nothing the team can do about that now (except sign street Free Agents). I’m not expecting Booker OR Ferguson to be on the team next year. What I’m saying, though, is that with HD back at #3 next year, and (hopefully) one of the young guys stepping up to take the #4 slot for next season, the shouldn’t have to spend much resources to fill out the bottom of the depth chart for 2010… (I think we’re agreeing here)
by orang3b on Aug 27, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked this part, the most
‘Oakland – A fast guy’
So true
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
by TheTealDeal on Aug 16, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NFC West Needs
Cardinals: TE is definitely a need. OLB as well because even though they got Cody Brown this year Okeafer, Haggans, and Barry are all agin and obviously they need pass rushers here for the 3-4 defense. DE isn’t a need, they have Dockett and Campbell.
Seahawks: I don’t think WR is a big need, they just signed Housh and drafted Deon Butler on top of Branch and Burleson. RB is a need unless Forsett steps up this year because neither Julius Jones nore T.J. Duckett is a long term answer. I think LT is a huge need as Walter Jones is nearing the end of his career. They also badly need a SS to replace Brian Russell.
Rams: I think they will surprise people this year but agree that they could probably look anywhere in the first round except for RB.
Niners: I agree that QB is the biggest need. DE isn’t really a need because they have Justin Smith, just used a first rounder on Kentwan Balmer, and have various other depth guys (Sopoaga, McDonald, Evans). A big, run-stuffing DT would be nice. Depending on if Manny Lawson steps up this year and Parys Haralson can continue to progress OLB may be a huge need. They could use help all over the secondary. Also, RT is still a big need.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 19, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I said DE because I was unaware that you all switched to a 3-4
The Seahawk WRs are old, and you cant expect Butler to be a no.1 receiver
I think the Rams will be the worst team this year
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 19, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst team, period?
Or worst team in the NFC West? I think it’s possible they finish last in the division but I think there are at least a few teams like the Lions, Browns (sorry), and Broncos that will be worse.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 19, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
What did the Rams (2-14) do to get better? I could see the Lions (0-16) remaining the worst and despite the OP’s confidence, I can also see the Browns (4-12) getting worse. But how can you see the Broncos (8-8) falling so far?
Denver had the league’s third worst defense (28 points allowed per game) last year and an argument can be made that we’ve upgraded every spot on that side of the ball – coordinator included – for this season. The defensive roster’s overall should yield dividends in special teams, something that has been consistently overlooked. Sure, they no longer have the league’s 16th rated QB who lead the 16th best scoring offense in 2008 and our most popular receiver continues to disappoint with his attitude towards the new regime, but the record setting offensive line that made everything possible for them remains intact while the RB and TE stables have been further augmented.
I still see the Broncos as an 8-8 team, give or take a game depending on the breaks, and am baffled by those who continue to parrot the traditional media’s line that they’ve somehow fallen to the bottom of pro football’s barrel. When all is said and done, I think they’ll be in the top half of the AFC West and on the periphery of the playoff picture.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 20, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did the Rams do?
They massively upgraded the offensive line. Most people don’t take into account injuries, but the Rams were really unlucky with injuries on the offensive line last season. That won’t likely happen again. They also added Jason Smith and Jason Brown, who should both be huge upgrades. And Steven Jackson and Marc Bulger should be more effective/healthy that last year because of it.
On top of that they’ve had another offseason to develop guys like Carriker and Long. They finally moved Witherspoon out of the MLB spot and they signed James Butler to play SS. They should definitely be a lot better.
I’m a big fan of Football Outsiders, not sure if you’ve heard of them. Anyway, their projections (and stats) tend to be a lot more accurate than the traditional SOS predictions and stuff. They think the Rams will be a surprise playoff team this year, and also think the Broncos might hand the Seahawks the number one pick. I don’t know that I’d take it that far, but both teams are going to surprise people this year.
As for Denver, the defense is still going to be BAD. I’m sorry, but it is. It was so horrific last season, and it might have been upgraded at quite a few spots, but even getting replacement level production would be an upgrade so that’s not saying much.
As for the offense, it’s going to be A LOT worse. Cutler was 7th in DVOA (an FO stat that measures effectiveness by comparing the success of each play compared to the average play based on down, distance, and field position and adjusted for opponent) last yer among QB’s even with the fact that his DVOA plummeted as the team fell behind. If they had a defense that was decent Cutler would have probably been a top 5 QB last year, and of course has a chance to get even better. So trying to call Cutler the 16th best QB is just ridiculous. And obviously Orton is going to be a gigantic downgrade. Orton was ranked 21st in DVOA with a slightly negative rating. Here’s an analysis done by Brian Burke of Advanced NFL Stats (a great site by the way) at the FIfth Down Blog showing that the downgrade from Cutler to Orton alone should cost the Broncos two wins this year.
So in conclusion, I’m absolutely not “parroting the traditional media’s line”. The advanced statistical community is really down on the Broncos this year. I know it’s been a tough offseason for you guys, but unfortunately your prospects look poor this season. I will say that I’m definitely rooting for the Broncos to win thoguh as Seattle gets their first round pick next year and I have Knowshon Moreno on my fantasy team.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is injured every year and Bulger isnt good
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 20, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No QB is good when they get sacked as much as he did
Bulger is a legit QB who if the line is healthy and even merely above average, can throw for 4000 yards no problem, especially is Steven Jackson is healthy.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 22, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes getting kinda old and he always throws a lot of INTs
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 22, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On The Broncos.
There are all sorts of oversights in the typical analysis of Jay Cutler v. Kyle Orton. Brian Burke, for instance, implies that Cutler should be worth about two wins more than Orton going forward. The problem with jumping to that conclusion is that he bases that on stats compiled by Jay playing for the 2008 Broncos while Kyle was playing for the 2008 Bears. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone outside of Chicago homers that believes that a single Bears offensive starter other than Matt Forte and maybe Greg Olsen would have found significant playing time on the Broncos last year. Add to that Orton’s rushed return from injury and Chicago’s inferior coordinating, and you suddenly have a good deal of unaccounted for variables.
Then again, even if I grant you that replacing Jay with Kyle would have cost us two wins, that would have only droppped Denver to 6-10 and tied them for the ninth worst record in the league. Moreover, I reiterate that both the defense and special teams have been significantly upgraded this offseason (like you said, in many ways achieving even replacement level production would be good enough to do just that) so, if anything, they should have improved on that hypothetical benchmark.
Like I said before, I just don’t see how anyone can project the Broncos to go from 8-8 last year (or 6-10 with Orton’s Chicago stats instead of Cutler’s Denver stats, if you prefer) to suddenly become one of the league’s very worst teams. The only way you can arrive at that conclusion is by assuming that the defense, special teams and/or coaching will somehow be that much worse than they were last year and I just don’t see how anyone could possibly believe that.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 20, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that is a flaw in the analysis
Although the defenses help make up some of the difference. Also, I think thinks are going to get even harder for Orton if the Broncos trade Brandon Marshall. I’m sure you know more about that than me, does that seem likely?
My opinion is that the defense will be better but still one of the worst in the league, while the offense will drop more than enough to make the difference. The Broncos were #2 in Offensive DVOA (#7 in passing dvoa and #1 in rushing dvoa). The passing offense will obviously get worse without without Cutler and possibly Marshall and despite the public perception that more/better/non-injured RB’s will help the rushing attack there is really nowhere to go for it but down (as DVOA shows, they were the most efficient team in the NFL at running the ball last year). Without a potent passing attack the Broncos will probably face a lot more 8-man fronts.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious.
You had the Broncos on your short list (three teams) for the worst in the league. To me, that means roughly three wins. Help me with this math, then:
2008 Broncos = 8-8
2008 Broncos with 2008 Bears’ Orton = 6-10
2009 Broncos with 2009 Broncos’ Orton = 3-13
Well, I can’t imagine that you think Orton, Denver’s defense or special teams will be worse than last year, so where does the drop off come from? You hinted that the running game will suffer, but how much can that set them back? I guess you can be a pessimist and pencil them in for five wins, but that’s not going to get you a top five pick…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 21, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll put it this way
If the offense drops from 2nd to say 16th (around average) and the defense is still one of the 5 worst in the league then they are going to be very bad. 3-5 wins isn’t a bad guess.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 21, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 21, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Thanks for chiming in there, buddy.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 22, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
That’s quite a drop you’re forcasting there! I assume by 2nd best offense you mean “in DVOA” and not the commonly overrated “yards per game” that the media and their puppets love to quote. Again, I think that giving Cutler and Orton credit for their respective offenses last season is mistaken. The supporting casts aren’t even close and Football Outsiders stats flesh that out.
Eddie Royal (32nd), Brandon Marshall (42nd) and Brandon Stokely (55th) all ranked above the Bears best wide receiver (Devin Hester was 64th). Tony Scheffler (11th) and Daniel Graham (21st) both bested Greg Olsen (23rd) and that doesn’t even take blocking into account which would boost Graham even higher. Moreover, the Broncos had the leagues best offensive line while the Bears ranked 25th. Denver actually didn’t have a qualifying running back for their stats because of injuries, but Forte was only 42nd, so that shouldn’t be too tough to top.
The bottomline is this: there’s just now way that simply replacing Cutler with Orton is going to drop the Broncos offense from elite to average. Even if Marshall gets dealt as well, we have the depth to maintain an elite WR corps. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see it…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 22, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well don't forget that it goes the other way too
Cutler and the O-line make the receivers numbers look better as well.
Also, I think this isn’t really accounting for the effect that the drop off from Cutler to Orton will have on the running game. I don’t think there’s any way the Broncos have the best rushing attack in the league this year, or probably anywhere near it.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 22, 2009 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough.
I guess this is where we have to agree to disagree until we see the team in action.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 22, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Rams.
I’ll admit that I don’t closely follow the Rams, so I defer to your insider knowledge. I can’t imagine they’ll be as bad as they were last year in that injury plagued campaign, but I’m not looking at them as even a marginal playoff contender. As I spoke to at length in my “On The Broncos” reply, they’d have a ways to move up and the Broncos would have a ways to move down for St. Louis to eclipse them. Denver has me in the gambling mood (by the way, Vegas opened them at 7.5 wins in 2009) so I’d be willing to make a friendly wager on this.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 20, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No insider knowledge
My opinion is just based on following their offseason and listening to opinions of others (mainly Football Outsiders) on sites I respect.
I’d be up for a wager as well, I love gambling. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insider.
Well, you’re obviously more in on them than I am. I’ve promised my SBNation image to a Bears fan just in case, but maybe we can wager a nice signature comment or something like that. I’ve got the Broncos at more wins than the Rams if you want in…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 21, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brendan Scolari.
I apologize for lumping you in with the MSM-parrot crowd, because you obviously don’t deserve that tag. As you can imagine, I’ve had my fill of that garbage this offseason. That said, I appreciate your thoughtful comments and actually bookmarked some of the links you mentioned. I’m always looking to broaden my horizons as far as football analysis is concerned, so thanks for sharing. I also really appreciate your tone, as I’ve seen first hand how civility flies out the window online. Perhaps its the fact that you’ve done your homework that allows you to keep this discussion from devolving into ad hominem attacks. I hope I don’t embarass myself as we continue this conversation. Kudos and good luck to your Rams.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 20, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im actually a Niners fan. ;-)
But that doesn’t mean I want to be biased against my teams rivals. I think the Rams will be much improved this year but I hope they aren’t.
Thanks for the kind words by the way, and the same to you. I am in the same boat as you as far as hoping to find intelligent analysis anywhere possible and I want to make clear I have nothing against the Broncos (and as I said, I hope they do well), I just don’t see them being very good this year.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
49ers!
See, I actually think that if someone is going to surprise in the NFC West, it’ll be San Fran.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 21, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I hope so
But my best guess for the Niners would be 6-7 wins. It’s definitely possible they finish with more though.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 21, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Sure Why.
I get the feeling that the Niners are starting to come together as a team for the first time in a while. The have a handful of gamechangers on the roster now, a healthy mix of vets and youngsters… I can’t quite put my finger on them, but I like what I’m getting vibe-wise from them.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 21, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't have the offense
There’s still no QB and the offensive line has too many holes. The skill players on offense are starting to look good though. The defense should be decent but I don’t expect it to be great. The special teams will probably still be pretty good.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 22, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Love For Hill?
I actually kinda like him now…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 22, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put him right there with Orton
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 23, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good To Know.
But I was kind of hoping the Niners fan that’s seen him more than either of us would answer that question…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 23, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you put way too much value in stats
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 20, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
You put way too much value on scouting? If the stats don’t back up popular opinion, maybe the perception is off…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 20, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you really think that Cutler is the 16th best QB, then well…
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 20, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stats don't show Cutlers as the 16th best QB
At least not the good ones.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NFC West is an awful conference and the Rams will be the NFL’s worst team. They lost Pace and Holt
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 20, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing Pace and Holt doesn't hurt as much as you think
They were both on the decline and weren’t particularly effective last year anyways, hence why they were released. And I don’t know how you could ignore the numerous improvements they have made. I would bet quite a bit of money that they finish with more wins than the Browns.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet quite a ton they finish with less than the Browns
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 21, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now THERE'S an Interesting One!
I actually think the Rams and Browns should both be on the short list (along with the Lions, Bucs, Bengals, Chiefs and Raiders) for a top five pick in next year’s draft. You guys should definitely make a friendly wager on the win totals for Cleveland and St. Louis.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 22, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to meet BradyQuinnis Beast now
Then we can make a real wager. ;-)
But a friendly wager would work, I’m not sure what it would be though.
I like your list except for the Rams and the Chiefs. I would add the Broncos (sorry) and… I’ll say the Jets. I could see them being really disappointing this year.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 22, 2009 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your funny
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant your last paragraph.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 22, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meaning that the Browns and the Jets won pick in the top 5 this year.
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 23, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
I definitely think the Browns will though. I would lay as much money as I could on that if I could get decent odds. Just my opinion though, luckily the season is almost upon us so we’ll get to find out!
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 24, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Browns.
I’m with you there, buddy.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 24, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broncos will I’ll tell you that. If Cutler was gone the Browns would have killed the Broncos last year
" Of course Steroids should be allowed! I wanna see 700 foot home runs and 90 yard field goals! I litterally want to see someone's d**k get shoved in the dirt!"
by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 25, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
1) Cutler’s QB rating ranged from 77.8 to 49.8 in Denver’s 8 losses.
2) The Broncos played 6 games against teams with winning records, going 4-2 despite Jay playing poorly in half of them.
3) At 8-5 with three games to play and only one win away from clinching a playoff birth, Cutler failed to crack 75 in QB rating.
4) Last season Jay took the field with: the league’s best offensive line, most efficient running game, one of the best (if not THE best) trio of receivers and pair of tightends.
Forgive me for not thinking that Jay Cutler is the greatest thing since sliced bread. You point to one good game (probably the only one you actually watched) but I can point to just as many bad ones. I hate to break it to you, but that’s just the way it is. He’s a double-edged sword, with the potential to do great things or self-destruct and implode your whole franchise. Why don’t you just go back to repping Brady Quinn?
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 26, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do you see the Broncos taking another QB in the draft anytime soon then?
What positions do you see them targeting?
By the way, what’s with the sig? ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 26, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010 Draft.
I think the Broncos will hold off on drafting a QB. They took a project guy late this time around and, with the vets with little time left on their current contracts, I expect them to take a year or two to reevaluate the position. Anything is possible, especially with a regime that isn’t afraid of making contraversial moves related to the draft, but I doubt they’ll invest on a first day QB any time soon.
As for what picks they might actually make, I think defensive end is the position most devoid of talent on the roster at present. Whether or not any of the d-line converts stick at OLB will determine how significant that need will be in the near future. I have high hopes for (and have been impressed so far by) Chris baker at nose tackle, I like the mix inside at linebacker and the secondary is set all around for some time to come. On the other side of the ball, I think depth along the offensive line is always a plus and we could use some more of it, but wide receiver could be a bit of surprise need depending on how the current corps pans out.
All in all, I’d rank our most pressing potential draft needs as follows: DE, OLB and WR. It’s obviously early to tell, but that’s what it’s looking like to me. I may have missed it among all this talk, but what would you consider the Niners needs at this point?
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by ejruiz on Aug 26, 2009 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I agree that D-line is the most pressing need, followed by LB depending on how the transition goes for those guys. I think you will end up targeting a QB sooner than you think provided Brandstater doesn’t work out.
As for the Niners, there’s still lots of spots that could use an infusion of talent. There is very little depth on the O-line, and Adam Snyder is a poor RT. They have Staley and Rachal for the future and Heitmann is good but there is little else there except for Cody Wallace (backup C, 4th rounder in 2008) and UDFA Alex Boone, who is an extreme longshot.
QB is an obvious need as Hill is more a good backup than a guy you want starting IMO. Nate Davis looked great in the preseason game last weekend and could possibly develop into a starter but that was just a few passes and he still needs a lot of development.
Vernon Davis needs to step up this year or we’ll need a TE too, but there are good backups there and TE is not nearly as important as the other spots.
On defense the Niners need a NT in case Aubrayo Franklin leaves after this year when he’ll be a FA. The rest of the line is pretty deep actually though, we’ll see how some of those guys play.
The ILB’s look very strong for the forseeable future with Willis, Spikes, and McKillop. Parys Haralson had 8 sacks last year so hopefully he can get even better and become one of the better pass rushers in the league. Still though, Manny Lawson hasn’t been very good and this is his last real shot before we’d need to look to add another pass rusher. He’s been underutilized and had the ACL injury so there’s still hope for him at least.
The secondary needs help too. Clements is good but overpaid and he won’t be here forever and there’s little beyond him, we might have to use Denver’s sloppy seconds with Bly at RCB haha. Tarell Brown is about the only corner who could be here long term but he won’t be a #1 guy.
At safety there’s Dashon Goldson and Michael Lewis. Lewis is a solid vet but not a long term answer, Goldson has been a ball hawk in practice but hasn’t had much chance in games yet so we’ll see if his ability carries over this year. There’s also Reggie Smith, 3rd roudn pick from Oklahoma in 2008, who could eventually have a starting role.
Thank god we have 2 first rounders next year. I think Berry or Mays could be a great fit if we get a top 10 pick depending on how Goldson and Smith look this year. A QB could be a first round target depending on how Hill plays and if the front office likes Davis’ future. O-line should be a priority no matter what happens. NT and OLB may be priorities depending on how guys play and who is signed in FA.
Thank god we have 2 first rounders next year is all I can say. As you can see there are still lots of needs to fill, hence the 6-7 win projection this year.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 26, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Good draft to need a safety and a QB, I think. I’m surprised you think Vernon Davis is on the bubble, but the rest sounds like what I’ve read/heard/seen elsewhere. Personally, I feel the Niners are getting close to the critical mass necessary to be a competative team.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised
Because you think he’s good or bad? His blocking is good but he just hasn’t been the receiving threat he was supposed to be. He is being used more in Raye’s offense so far though so this may be the year he finally breaks out.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 26, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Like Him.
I thought Davis was doing better and I still think he could be a force at the TE position.
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by ejruiz on Aug 26, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
He just needs to elevate his game this year, which is still possible. He hasn’t been great thus far though.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 27, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think McKillop will end up being a good pick for u guys. He just has a nose for the ball.
What do you think about Crabtree though?
And would you like me to tell you who I have you all picking in my mock?
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 26, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah sure, I want to know
I didn’t like the McKillop pick originally because of his lack of athleticism. However he has looked great so far in the preaseason. He’s been around the ball a ton, team leader in tackles and has an int and fumble recovery (though it was called back). I’m really starting to come around on him.
I loved the Crabtree pick and I still do, they just need to get him signed. I’d bump the money they are offering to him up a bit but I think they are doing the right thing. I think he’ll surely be signed by the start of the season, that’s what it sounds like anyway.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 27, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the niners taking Terrance Cody.
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 27, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about with their other pick?
Since they have two first rounders.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 27, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go check it out
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 27, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why dont u comment on it
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by BradyQuinnisBeast on Aug 27, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sig.
I thought it was fitting, considering the offseason (and yes, I include the preseason in that) that the Broncos have had. Don’t you like it? ;)
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 26, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Well, I guess if you’re that down on the Broncos and the Raiders, then the Chiefs won’t look that bad. I too think the Jets will falter this year, but not into top five territory.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
by ejruiz on Aug 22, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Dallas
Cb isn’t that big of a need for us, we got Newman, Jenkins and Scandrick, can’t see us using a high pick for a 4th corner, We have adequate WRs but we do need another one. Missing off the list NT, Rat is very good but our backup hasn’t played in 2 years, Oline. could use another DE as well
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 24, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just an updated need, (Can't wait, especially from past conversatios, yes?)
DE-You are correct then and still nowm especially with Reggie Hayward (DE) going on IR. A DE probably should be drafted.
CB- Rashean Mathis is our 1st cornerback and has the left side of the field, (I believe). Our rookie from the 2009 Draft) is 3rd round pick Derek Cox, after missing out most the preseason he Intercepted Peyton Manning once and gave reggie wayne a 100+ yards in recieveing along with a TD. He looks like he was worth the 2010 2nd round pick. He’ll be playing Fitzgerald next week and this will be a continued evaluation. I don’t think we draft another corner.
WR-I think we’ve agreed to disagree, (Tho i am a fan with knowledge about the team) but enough said.
Interior Offensive Lineman (Guards, Center)- They are getting old and have been injured in the past, Its becoming likely that some fresh blood will be added to the interior since both tackle spots were upgraded in the draft.
QB- Garrard’s basically playing out his career, A QB should be added other than Luke McCown who we got from TB for i believe a 5th. Mccoy, Lefevour, Tebow are names that come to mind.
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