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by tj.hendricks on Jan 1, 2010 8:20 PM EST
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Print1. Rams QB Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame***
It's between Suh or a QB. Devaney the Rams GM was in Atlanta when they made the Matt Ryan over Glenn Dorsey decision. Should be interesting to watch
2. Lions DT Ndamukong Suh Nebraska
IF Suh is available this is a no brainer.
3. Chiefs LB Rolando McClain Alabama***
This should be fun to watch, after Pioli fooled everyone and took Tyson Jackson last year you have to expect the unexpected. Could be McClain, Cody, or Berry here. maybe even Bryant?
4. Bucs DT Gerald McCoy Oklahoma***
If the Bucs can get there hands on McCoy they will be thrilled.
5. Redskins QB Ryan Mallett Arkansas***
Only Daniel Snyders bank account knows which way they will go. With Okung on the board they could throw everyone off by taking him instead of a QB.
6. Browns S Eric Berry Tennessee***
Eric Berry is possibly the best safety prospect ever (I still think Sean Taylor is). With Holmgren now in charge and Mangina's future up in the air this could get interesting. With a new coach could mean new QB AND new defense.
7. Seahawks T Russell Okung Oklahoma St.k
Seattle is thrilled to get Okung as he will replace Walter Jones and hopefully protect whoever the QB is.
8. Bills QB Sam Bradford Oklahoma***
I don't know if they go OLine first or go with Bradford, of course if Mallett doesn't come out then Bradford is gone and they go OLine.
9. Raiders DE Carlos Dunlap Florida***
I can put whoever I want here and won't have to explain myself because no one, NO ONE knows what goes on in Al Davis head. I was considering Trindon Holliday.
10. Broncos (CHI) WR Dez Bryant Oklahoma St.***
They missed out on McClain and I don't know what they do. I'm on the fence if Derrick Morgan is a 3-4 DE and I'm not an expert in the 3-4 so I passed on him.Not alot of people saw the Moreno selection coming so maybe they shock again by going Iupati? If Cameron Heyward declares this pick is him. Once again thank you Jerry Angelo we could of had Bryant or one of the offensive lineman or Derrick Morgan, damn this would be a nice pick to have.
11. 49ers CB Joe Haden Florida***
The top corner in the draft hands down. I've heard they could either move Clements to safety or cut him.
12. Jaguars DE Derrick Morgan Georgia Tech***
If McCoy is not available for the Bucs then they could snag Morgan at #4. Jacksonville will rejoice that their owner does indeed have half a brain.
13. Titans LB Navorro Bowman Penn St.***
With Dunlap and Morgan off the board that leaves Everson Griffen, I'm not thrilled with any other corners going this early so I was looking at Griffen or Bowman and I flipped a coin and Bowman it was. If Bruce Carter enters the draft I would have him going here if the coin would allow it.
14. 49ers (CAR) T Trent Williams Oklahoma
When Williams was playing RT at Oklahoma people were drooling over him being a top 5 pick. Playing LT has not been a huge success and has seen his stock take a hit to some. By going to SF he can play RT and probably be very good at it.
15. Dolphins LB Sergio Kindle Texas
A reach? Yes. The Big Tuna usually goes D first and Cody/Williams are an option as is a safety. I think it's a toss up between Jerry Hughes and Sergio Kindle.I went with Kindle though because..........I don't know why.
16. Steelers S Earl Thomas Texas***
I think it is safe to say they go safety in round 1. Earl Thomas if he comes out is the #2 safety prospect behind Berry.
17. Falcons DE Everson Griffen USC***
They could use a pass rusher like Griffen and like Tennessee I don't like any corners this high so it was between Griffen and Travis Lewis and I went with Griffen. No coin needed.
18. Texans RB CJ Spiller Clemson
They could use D. If a new coach is hired then who knows what way they go. I just can't see Spiller falling very far.
19. Seahawks (DEN) DE Jason Pierre Paul South Florida***
I'm not a fan of this guy but I keep seeing mocks having him in round 1 and thought I would join the trend. I guess they could go Snead but something tells me that Seattle might be a player for Vick this year.
20. Giants S/LB Taylor Mays USC
Is he a safety? Can he move to LB? Coughlin will find out.
21. Jets WR Damian Williams USC***
The Sanchize gets his boy. If they like a 34 DE they can go that route but with me feeling none are worthy Williams gets the nod.
22. Ravens WR Golden Tate Notre Dame***
The Ravens will most likely go WR in round 1 and a Flacco/Tate tamdem excites me and I'm not even a Baltimore fan.
23. Packers T Bruce Campbell Maryland***
To me Campbell/Davis/Bulaga can go in any order it's all a matter of preferance.
24. Cardinals T Anthony Davis Rutgers***
Same as the Packers.
25. Bengals S Chad Jones LSU***
I gave the nod to Jones to take over for Roy Williams. I was also considering Brandon LaFell here with the sudden death to Chris Henry.
26. Cowboys NT Terrance Cody Alabama
By drafting Cody they can move Ratliff to DE. On plays when Cody can't breathe Ratliff can move back inside. Bulaga is also an option here.
27. Patriots TE Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma
They have gone TE in round 1 in the past and neither of those guys were as good as Gresham can be assuming he heals fully.
28. Vikings DB Ras-I Dowling Virginia***
Dan Williams was an option here as was Jevan Snead but felt Dowlins was a nice pick for them.
29. Eagles LB Travis Lewis Oklahoma***
Was considering Romeus here but I've been a fan of Lewis since he was a RB recruit.
30. Chargers NT Dan Williams Tennessee
If Best checks out fine medically he could be an option here but I went with Williams to replace the other Williams there.
31. Saints DE Greg Romeus Pittsburgh***
I don't know what direction they go. Last year they were trying to trade back up in round 1 to get Beenie Wells so Dwyer could be an option, with rumors of Bush being cut maybe Best is an option. The other option is to pick anything on D.
32. Colts T Bryan Bulaga Iowa***
Colts get a steal here. I don't expect him to fall this far some team will trade up to select him but I'm not predicting trades.
ROUND 2
33. Rams DT Brian Price UCLA***
Since they passed on Suh they go DT here. Odrick and Arrelious Benn and LaFell were also options here.
34. Lions G Mike Iupati Idaho
They need help on the line and Iupati can do that.
35. Bucs CB Javier Arenas Alabama
He will eventually replace Ronde Barber.
36. Chiefs C Maurkice Pouncey Florida***
They need to address the OLine.
37. Browns DE Cory Wooton Northwestern
With the sudden emergence of Harrison I felt RB wasn't as big of a need so I looked to DE and went with Wooton. This can change if Mangina gets fired and they switch d.
38. Redskins LB Brandon Spikes Florida
Tough one. After going QB in round 1 you would figure OLine has to be next but I went with Brandon Spikes instead. He would be tremendous value at this point.
39. Bills T Charles Brown USC
They get lucky that the Redskins passed on Brown. I was also considering Sean Weatherspoon at this pick as it is good value.
40. Raiders DT Marvin Austin North Carolina***
Al Davis like fast.
41. Seahawks RB Jonathan Dwyer Georgia Tech***
They go RB and he can be their thumper to whatever Forsett and Jones are.
42. Bucs (CHI) LB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
Weatherspoon falling here would be good value to the rebuilding Bucs. They could go DE here as well. Thanks Jerry Angelo for trading this pick for Gaines Adams because he has hall of fame written all over him so a Weatherspoon or Odrick or Benn or Mike Johnson would not have helped as much as Gaines freaking Adams.
43. Patriots (JAX) RB Jahvid Best California***
This is why we hate the Patriots because they are already good and somehow end up with 100 out of the 250 draft picks and continually draft good players. Best and Gresham at one time were both top 15 picks.
44. Patriots (TEN) DE Jared Odrick Penn St.
And they get another nice player.
45. Panthers WR Brandon LaFell LSU
Don't know if he falls this far. Carolina could go QB here with Tebow, McCoy, Snead all on the board but Smith needs help at WR.
46. Dolphins WR Arrelious Benn Illinois***
Henne will enjoy having Benn and Benn will enjoy having a QB that can actually throw the ball.
47. 49ers G Mike Johnson Alabama
Baas is a FA and if he leaves they can plug Johnson in right away.
48. Chiefs (ATL) G Mike Pouncey Florida***
It's a need and plus I wanted to be cute and have the Pouncey twins going to the same team.
49. Texans S Morgan Burnett Georgia Tech***
I think he goes higher. I higher on him than most. What Pierre Paul is to most mock draft sites, Morgan Burnett is to me.
50. Broncos C Kris O'Dowd USC***
He goes higher if he comes out which is debatable. Fills a need as Wiegman is old.
51. Giants DE Brandon Graham Michigan
I just didn't see him falling any further and you can never have enough pass rushers.
52. Steelers CB Donovan Warren Michigan***
He will replace Deshea Townsend. Warren could go higher I've seen him in round 1 alot which I don't agree with and I'm a fan of his.
53. Ravens CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
Since they went WR in round 1 corner goes here.
54. Jets DE Tyson Alualu California
Underrated prospect who I think is better suited to be a 34 DE than 43 DT.
55. Packers LB Jerry Hughes TCU
With workouts he could go higher and maybe the Patriots take him with one of their earlier picks.
56. Cardinals LB Von Miller Texas A&M***
Didn't have a great bowl game so maybe he decides to stay in school but if he comes out this is a nice pick.
57. Patriots LB RIcky Sapp Clemson
Since they didn't go LB earlier they will here with Sapp.
58. Bengals LB Greg Jones Michigan St.***
Good value pick here, has experience at MLB and OLB.
59. Cowboys T Gabe Carimini Wisconsin***
Could go higher if he comes out but if he lands here he replaces Flozell.
60. Vikings QB Jevan Snead Ole Miss***
The heir to Brett Favre's throne. Some team could trade up to get him before here.
61. Eagles DE Greg Hardy Ole Miss
I still don't get why some have this guy in the top 15? He has missed more games than actually played.
62. Chargers WR Demaryius Thomas Georgia Tech***
Just seems like a Chargers WR which is BIG.
63. Saints DT Arthur Jones Syracuse
He might fall more with his injury or if healthy he could rise, wasn't too long ago some were saying top 20.
64. Colts CB Patrick Robinson Florida St.
Not thrilled with any DT's at this point so went with Robinson because he is decent value here.
ROUND 3
65. Rams WR Mardy Gilyard Cincinnati
They give Jimmy boy a target.
66. Lions RB Ryan Matthews Fresno St.***
Kevin Smith's injury has alot to do with this pick.
67. Chiefs LB Eric Norwood South Carolina
They need a pass rusher and passed on some in round 2.
68. Bucs DE Jeremy Beal Oklahoma***
They need to address the DE position, if Beal enters he might go higher but this is a decent DE class so he could drop.
69. Browns CB Kareem Jackson Alabama***
TRSS once mentioned corner and I finally remembered.
70. Raiders QB Tim Tebow Florida
Al Davis got three fast players for their position in Dunlap, Austin, Tebow. Al Davis is very happy.
71. Eagles (SEA) CB Kyle Wilson Boise St.
Could eventually replace Sheldon Brown.
72. Bills LB Rennie Curran Georgia***
I was considering the Bills going LB in round 2 but passed so they grab one here.
73. Bears G Jon Asamoah Illinois
FINALLY!!!!! We get a pick, last one to the draft party. It's been said by the front office that their first two picks will most likely be offensive lineman. I would rather grab a tackle here but they have stated that next year Beekman will move to center which leaves a hole at G. Asamoah is a good pick.
74. Titans CB Brandon Ghee Wake Forest
They need help at corner but none was available in round 1 and they had no pick in round 2 so they must grab one here.
75. Panthers QB Colt McCoy Texas
Don't know if he falls quit this far as some team may trade up but the Panthers finally get a Qb.
76. Dolphins S Reshad Jones Georgia***
Good value here.
77. 49ers S Major Wright Florida***
Same as above... good value but if Clements is moved to safety then maybe this pick doesn't happen.
78. Jaguars DT Vince Oghobaase Duke
Don't know if they go DLine with their first two picks but I did.
79. Texans CB Perrish Cox Oklahoma St.
In case Dunta Robinson doesn't resign.
80. Broncos DE Jarvis Jenkins Clemson***
Could go higher if he declares, Broncos need help at the DE position.
81. Giants T Joseph Barksdale LSU***
Great value here. Not sure he falls this far some have him lower 1st some have him lower 3rd.
82. Steelers OL Ciron Black LSU
Some say he would make a better guard than tackle let Pittsburgh find out.
83. Falcons CB SydQuan Thompson California
Since no corner was worthy of their 1st round selection they nab one here.
84. Browns (NYJ) QB Tony Pike Cincinnati
I believe Anderson is gone and a Pike/Quinn battle could happen.
85. Ravens LB Quan Sturdivant North Carolina***
Not sure he falls this far.
86. Cardinals LB Sean Lee Penn St.
Not sure if he is a ILB in the 34. But went with it anyway.
87. Packers CB Stephan Virgil Virginia Tech
Woodson and Harris are getting up their in age so a future replacement is needed.
88. Bengals WR Eric Decker Minnesota
Nice sized target for Palmer.
89. Cowboys WR Jeremy Williams Tulane
I've seen some say this guy is a 1st rounder........I guess he'll be a steal in the 3rd round.
90. Raiders (NE) T Jason Fox Miami
Once a late 1st falls due to injuries. If checked out fine he goes higher.
91. Vikings DT Jerrell Powe Ole Miss***
I've always believed this guy will declare and he is huge so he could replace Pat Williams.
92. Eagles T Selvish Capers West Virginia
Could go higher but would add depth alon the line and is good value.
93. Chargers RB Evan Royster Penn St.***
They might prefer more of a speed back like McKnight or Devine but I have Royster rated higher and thought it was good value.
94. Saints S Nate Allen South Florida
Still going defense.
95. Colts DT Lamar Houston Texas
Since they passed on DT in round 2 they grab one here.
ROUND 4
96. Rams CB Alterraun Verner UCLA
97. Lions DE Austen Lane Murray St.
98. Bucs WR Dezmon Briscoe Kansas***
99. Chiefs WR Danario Alexander Missouri
100.Browns LB O'Brien Schoefield Wisconsin
101. Redskins T Lee Ziemba Auburn***
102. Seahawks G Rodney Hudson Florida St.***
103. Bills DT Mike Neal Purdue
104. Raiders C Matt Tennant Boston College
104. Bears T Kyle Calloway Iowa
105. Panthers LB Roddrick Muckelroy Texas
106. Dolphins G Vladmir Ducasse UMASS
107. 49ers QB Dan LeFevour Central Michigan
108. Jaguars CB Crezdon Butler Clemson
109. Titans DE Jason Worilds Virginia Tech***
110. Broncos LB Micah Johnson Kentucky
111. Giants RB Toby Gerhart Stanford
112. Steelers DE CJ Wilson East Carolina
113. Falcons RB Joe McKnight USC***
114. Texans DE Brandon Lang Troy
115. Ravens WR Jordan Shipley Texas
116. Jets G Mitch Petrus Arkansas
117. Packers RB Anthony Dixon Mississippi St.
118. Cardinals LB Daryl Washington TCU
119. Cowboys CB Walter Thurmond Oregon
120. Patriots G John Jerry Ole Miss
121. Bengals RB Noel Devine West Virginia***
122. Vikings LB Stevenson Sylvester Utah
123. Eagles TE Rob Gronkowski Arizona***
124. Chargers RB DeMarco Murray Oklahoma***
125. Saints TE Aaron Hernandez Florida***
126. Colts LB Rico McCoy Tennessee
ROUND 5
127. Rams DB Akwasi Owusu Ansah Indiana PA
128. Lions S Darrell Stuckey Kansas
129. Chiefs NT Torrell Troup Central Florida
130. Browns (TB) LB Jermaine Cunningham Florida
131. Redskins RB Ben Tate Auburn
132. Browns T Sam Young Notre Dame
133. Bills WR Naaman Roosevelt Buffalo
134. Raiders WR Taylor Price Ohio
135. Seahawks DT D'Anthony Smith Louisiana Tech
136. Bears WR Mike Williams Syracuse
137. Chiefs (MIA) TE Anthony McCoy USC
138. 49ers NT Ekom Udofia Stanford
139. Jaguars DB Myron Lewis Vanderbilt
140. Titans RB Montario Hardesty Tennnessee
141. Chiefs (CAR) G Sergio Render Virginia Tech
142. Giants CB Jerome Murphy South Florida
143. Steelers TE Wesley Saunders South Carolina***
144. Falcons WR Jacoby Ford Clemson
145. Texans WR Shay Hodge Ole Miss
146. Lions (DEN) WR Blair White Michigan St.
147. Browns (NYJ) S Justin Woodall Alabama
148. Ravens S TJ Ward Oregon
149. Cardinals QB Sean Canfield Oregon St.
150. Packers WR Dexter McCluster Ole Miss
151. Bucs (NEP) OL Zane Beadles Utah
152. Bengals C JD Walton Baylor
153. Raiders (DAL) ? Trindon Holliday LSU
154. Vikings LB Perry Riley LSU
155. Rams (PHI) TE Dennis Pitta BYU
156. Chargers T Chris Scott Tennessee
157. Eagles (NOS) G Thomas Austin Clemson
158. Colts OL James Veldheer Hillsdale
Round 6
159. Rams RB James Starks Buffalo
160. Lions T Adam Ulatoski Texas
161. Bucs C Eric Olsen Notre Dame
162. Chiefs DE Alex Carrington Arkansas St.
163. Browns WR Andre Roberts Citadel
164. Dolphins (WAS) TE Ed Dickson Oregon
165. Panthers (OAK) TE Garrett Graham Wisconsin
166. Seahawks LB Dekoda Watson Florida St.
167. Bills CB Patrick Stoudamire Western Illinois
168. Bears LB Jamar Chaney Mississippi St.
169. 49ers LB George Selvie South Florida
170. Jaguars QB Jarrett Brown West Virginia
171. Titans DE Willie Young NCSt.
172. Panthers DT Geno Atkins Georgia
173. Dolphins DE Corey Peters Kentucky
174. Steelers RB Charles Scott LSU
175. Falcons TE Colin Peek Alabama
176. Texans LB Joe Pawelek Baylor
177. Broncos TE Tony Moeaki Iowa
178. Giants P Zoltan Mesko Michigan
179. Ravens TE Jimmy Graham Miami
180. Jets QB John Skelton Fordham
181. Packers T Ed Wang Virginia Tech
182. Cardinals G Shawn Lauvao Arizona St.
183. Bengals ? Brandon James Florida
184. Cowboys S Kurt Coleman Ohio St.
185. Patriots S Robert Johnson Utah
186. Vikings RB Javarris James Miami
187. Bills (PHI) TE Dedrick Epps Miami
188. Texans (SD) QB Jonathan Crompton Tennessee
189. Saints WR Chris Carter UC Davis
190. Eagles (IND) RB Andre Anderson Tulane
ROUND 7
191. Rams QB Zach Robinson Oklahoma St.
192. Lions LB Keenan Clayton Oklahoma
193. Dolphins (KC) RB Stafon Johnson USC
194. Bucs T Derek Hardman Eastern Kentucky
195. Redskins G Matt McCracken Richmond
196. Browns OL Jim Cordle Ohio St.
197. Seahawks DT Jay Ross East Carolina
198. Bills C Kenny Alfred Washington St.
199. Raiders S Myron Rolle Florida St.
200. Bears LB Phillip Dilliard Nebraska
201. Jaguars S Larry Asante Nebraska
202. Titans WR Chris McGaha Arizona St.
203. Panthers S Kam Chancellor Virginia Tech
204. Dolphins WR Kerry Meier Kansas
205. 49ers DE Jeffery Fitzgerald Kansas St.
206. Rams (ATL) FB Rashawn Jackson Virginia
207. Texans LB Pat Angerer Iowa
208. Broncos DE Brandon Deaderick Alabama
209. Giants LB Darryl Sharpton Miami
210. Steelers T Michael Tepper California
211. Jets DE Greg Middleton Indiana
212. Ravens DE Swanson Miller Oklahoma St.
213. Cardinals LB Lindsey Witten UCONN
214. Packers DE Doug Worthington Ohio St.
215. Cowboys DE Lorenzo Washington Alabama
216. Patriots QB Tim Hiller Western Michigan
217. Bengals DE Brandon Sharpe Texas Tech
218. Vikings CB Leroy Vann Florida A&M
219. Patriots (PHI) OL Chris Marinelli Stanford
220. Chargers WR Terrell Hudgins Elon
221. Saints DT Earl Mitchell Arizona
222. Colts WR Freddie Barnes Bowling Green
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Phins
that is more like a Parcells 1st round pick though ILB is a huge need
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
I figure they are going D just not sure which position. So would Brandon Spikes make more sense? The “stud” 34 OLB are reaches at that point.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
not where they will draft McClain
if available other then that OLB or IF all defensive players targeted at that spot they might trade down and take a Spikes/Hughes
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
Gotta say TJ...
love the Giants picks. Only thing I’ll pick at…I like Chad Jones better then Taylor Mays. Jones is better as an actual safety…and since he’s going a few picks later, I think he’ll be the pick over Mays.
Brandon Graham? Perfect.
Not sure on Jerome Murphy..tho hard to argue down there. Tho Jacoby Ford, to get some speed on the kick/punt returns, would be nice.
And I think we’re on the same page with the Rolando McClain spot. I’ve been think he goes to KC too. He’s just too good.
I like Jones more as well the only thing is no one wants Mays anymore. I’m sure by my next one (around Jan. 15) that he will fall to the Raiders in round 2.
Any positions I overlooked?
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
nope...
I mean.. I could nit-pick and say Arthur Jones instead of B. Graham. Put a pass rusher like that is a need too.
I love teh Barksdale pick.
Gerhart…meh, If they really are down on Jacobs (which I don’t think is the case). Darryl Washington fro TCU is right there.
The 5th-7th I like too
In the 2010 NBA draft the NY Knicks select.....Nate Robinson. 5"9 PG from Pringles' Doghouse U!
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 1, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Like the Colts pick
If they got Bulaga I would weep with joy.
I think the Colts are pretty set at WR and won’t be interested in one that isn’t primarily a returner, but it’s Mr. Irrevelvant and the Colts do seem to like prolific college players (Brown and Collie last year).
Not a fan of A.J. Edds? I don’t know if there’s a player with wider diverging projections. I’ve seen him projected a 2nd rounder, and projected undrafted.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
I’m not as high on Edds as most. I do have him as the next LB. Keep in mind that this is without the compensation picks so there will be 30 more picks in the draft, so yes he gets drafted. I think the highest he goes is round 5.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 1, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is in the 5-7 range, ive seen some sites that have him as a UDFA. It all depends on the combine I get the feeling his 6’1 height is a little inflated and if he runs his rumored 4.56 that could hurt.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
I was thinking about 5-6 range so im not calling you out or anything
I think he could go in the 4th if he rumns a 4.48 or something close.
The Bills picks make a lot of sense. People keep mocking offensive tackles to Buffalo in the first round, which does make sense, but if there’s a QB available that they like, it’ll be a slam dunk pick for them. You don’t pass on a QB prospect who you think is good value when you don’t have a single quarterback on your team.
Charles Brown in the 2nd would be a great fit. The Bills need somebody to protect the blind side.
Buffalo hasn’t really been a Tampa 2 team for awhile now and may even go through a drastic scheme change, but for now a LB like Rennie Curran makes sense in the 3rd. I’d rather go with somebody else, but it’s a logical pick. A MLB can’t be ruled out either as Posluszny could be moved outside.
Mike Neal in the 4th works for me. I don’t think DT is a need, but this is a rebuilding team so any pick in the trenches is a good investment.
Despite living in Buffalo, I’m not a Naaman Roosevelt fan, but Buffalo definitely needs some depth (and ideally impact) at WR. It’s a solid pick.
If there is one position that doesn’t make sense for Buffalo to address, it’s cornerback. They’ve got one of the best pass defenses in the league and return every cornerback next year except Ashton Youboty who doesn’t play anyways. They’ve got McKelvin and McGee under contract long term and Drayton Florence has been excellent this year. Ellis Lankster is a 7th round rookie who looked good in the preseason and Reggie Corner is decent depth. The Bills have too many needs to draft a CB at any point and I think a defensive end with the size to play on the left side of the defensive line or an interior offensive lineman make more sense there.
If the Bills do draft a TE it will be a blocker and polished player like Epps is. Solid pick.
I’d rather Buffalo go interior OL earlier, but since they havn’t, a center like Alfred is a good pick.
Overall, this is an excellent mock for Buffalo. It wouldn’t be my favorite choice of players, but you hit most of the needs, gave them good value and the picks are realistic.
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I think it all depends on Ryan Mallett. If he comes out there will be a QB for the Bills unless a team trades up. If he doesn’t declare then I don’t think one will be available. It also depends if the Rams pass on a QB as well.
When you say interior lineman is there a preferance if it’s guard or center?
Thanks for the feedback.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 1, 2010 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you about Mallett and a QB being available.
I don’t have a preference between guard and center. And the reason is that Eric Wood, who played guard this year, could shift back to center at some point in his career. I don’t think he’s a better fit at one spot or the other and that versatility gives Buffalo options.
And thanks for doing a 7 round mock draft and actually knowing what you are talking about.
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Ditto on everything Kaiser said
Great job with this mock. I agree the Buffalo picks and with most of your picks.
I do think the OT run is going to start a bit earlier, but, meh, who knows.
Great mock. Rec’d.
ummm no
It doesn’t matter now that he is returning to Arkansas but he would have been a 1st rounder this year. He is a 1st rounder next year.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Additionally, I believe the Bills have the Lions 7th rounder from the Ko Simpson trade.
I used the draft order off of walter football. They didn’t have that one down.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Browns
1. Eric Berry- Great
2. Corey Wooton- I’m not sure that DE is much of a need or if he fits our scheme, or if DE is that much of a need, but not that bad of a pick.
3. I don’t know a whole lot about Kareem, but I like the pick.
3b. I don’t think the Browns will take a QB this early and plus Pike is garbage.
4. Not that bad of a pick, but I like some of our young OLBs and I think this guy would struggle to get on the field.
5. See; 4
5b. Young was terrible this year but he has potential. Pretty good pick
5c. Thank you for knowing we need safety depth.
6. I would have liked to spend a higher pick on receiver.
6b. We have Carolina’s 6th rounder but I don’t see it here.
7. I’ve never heard of this guy.
Good job, bro!
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 1, 2010 9:24 PM EST reply actions
I was unsure about Wooton. I really don’t know what they’ll do with there 2nd round pick. What do you think they’ll do? WR? I didn’t even realize I gave you guys two OLB’s, I’ll definately change that. Jim Cordle has pretty much played everywhere on the OL at Ohio St. but has been primarily a G/C.
I used the draft order off of walterfootball and don’t see the Carolina/Cleveland trade on there are you sure it’s a 6th? Or still waiting since it was a conditional pick.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 1, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
We have a great center in Mack but if he can play guard and gives us good depth, sure.
We got a sixth rounder for trading Louis Leonard to Carolina.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 2, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I see the Louis Leonard trade I just don’t see it say 6th, everything I see still says conditional.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
It's a seventh most likely
It would have been a sixth had he played for more than two games. He was playing well before he broke his ankle.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 3, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
And with the 2nd rounder I would rather have Dwyer, Pouncey, Benn, or Charles Brown but Wooton is okay
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 2, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if we got berry and placed him at CB. But I’m almost positive Berry won’t slip to us since we’re now 7th
by The Licensed Pessimist on Jan 4, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
7 rounds! wow
nice work. As for the Steelers picks we aren’t going to pick that many Offensive players. We need a NT, two Safetys some OLBs and at least one CB and DE.
I would like to get Thomas, could see Warren, probably take a NT instead of Black.
We definitely won’t take a TE at all.
I don’t know if we take a RB there. we might stay with D and draft one later.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
That’s my bad I totally spaced off NT. I gave you a S, CB, DE not any OLBs. I just thought Wesley Saunders was such great value at that point. Alot of people have him in the 2-3 range and I saw he was available in the 5th and figured why not.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 1, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well we have 4 players that are laped TE
incuding our 7th round pick is playing well as a TE/H-back. While we may cut one we still wouldn’t draft one.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
I Like
The Jags first two. Our defensive line is the key to our defense being good, as we are starting to get some pieces.
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After I already posted it I noticed I only gave you guys one offensive player (J.Brown) every other pick was defense.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 1, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I
Am really okay with that. I want to get our defense back of 05 and 06. Our offense only needs offensive line help really. It could use others, but that is its only need. The first two defensive lineman I’d be thrilled with. I don’t know too much about Butler from Clemson, but we need DBs. I really like Lewis from Vandy. He’s so versatile, he’d probably end up playing some free safety once he got to J-Ville.
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Very impressive
Like the 7 rounds and love the lions draft. The only reach was matthews in the third round but everyone has an opinion so I respect it.
You don’t like Matthews in the 3rd? I have him as the 4th best RB and was thinking he’ll be in the range of rounds 2 or 3.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 1, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Just be glad it’s not like the old days and 12 rounds.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 1, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Really wanna know how sick in the head I am? I have a 2011 1st round mock made. I need help is there a NFL draft rehab?
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why so you can tell me that the underclassmen won’t come out?
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
With Ratliff being one of the top DT’s I can’t see them moving him to DE where he wouldn’t be a top DE like he is at DT. Assuming that the OL’s worth a first round pick is gone, what position do you think they look at? I a fear a Jerry Jones trading frenzy.
depending on what we do with Roy maybe WR
I could also see us picking an elite center or guard to develop for one or two years.
I could also seem the Boys trading up
To take Earl Thomas. They usually trade down as opposed to up, but it seems logical, if they don’t think a guy like Bulaga will drop to them. Safety’s a concern.
Dang, seven rounds
That’s always tough to do, so kudos.
On to the Broncos’ picks:
1. Dez Bryant: Welcome with open arms
2. O’Dowd: Probably won’t be there, like you said, but I would take that pick too.
3. Jenkins: Not familiar with him
4. Johnson: Would be okay with that pick
5. Moeaki: takin a page out of my book there, I like that kid
6. Deaderick: Might be a little underrated here.
Overall, good mix of O and D here, and good value with the picks.
I like every Chiefs pick except the first one
Not that I dont like McClain (You would have to be sick to not like him). I just dont see Pioli grabbing McClain that high when he passed on a better Talent last year (Curry). I just dont see it. Hopefully your bears loss tommarow so the Chiefs can get the 2nd lol J/K. I think the Chiefs would pick Suh if they did pick 2nd (Only game Pioli personally scouted was Suhs) but any other way its either Dez Bryant, Eric Berry, or O Kung/ Davis. Overall though I like the Mock for the Chiefs (Even the Pouncey Twins).
and... the chiefs don't have a 6th round pick, traded it to Miami
But, i really like the later round picks for KC
Norwood, Alexander, Troup, Render and McCoy would all be perfect fits, and good value in rounds 3-6
I think they’ll go a different way in the 2nd, though… they might grab RB, WR, OT, C, OLB, ILB… but I don’t think they take both Pounceys in that round.
Oh, and Toby Gerhart falls to the 4th? I’d take him for KC in the 2nd instead of the Pouncey G
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I like KC's 1st pick
I watched McClain play in the SEC Championship. He is one I feel the Chiefs should go with, he would be a perfect fit. He’s smart and a hard nosed player/leader. We passed on Curry last year, it would be nice to get someone like McClain. He seems to fit the bill. Berry, Okung or Anthony Davis would be good too. I’m not big on the Pouncy twins both in the second round. Maybe Maurkice, but not Mike. I hope that the Chiefs could get Mike Johnson, but I see you have him picked right before KC could get him. I like your 4th Round KC pick, because I am a huge fan of Danario Alexander, but I feel that someone like Jordan Shipley would fit better. Anyways, props for doing a full seven rounds…that’s rough.
I used walterfootball.com draft order and it doesn’t have the Miami/KC trade listed. Is it still conditional or for sure a 6th?
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it's been confimed as a 6th I think
for Ndukwe/Alleman, OGs
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Stag, You would rather have Gerhart in the 2nd?
Im cool with what T-Hend has but I would rather have Jerry Hughes instead of Mike Pouncey. Also, Montario Hardisty would be a great compliment to Charles in the 5th. Gerhart is slow though and I think that will kill him in the NFL. I think he will become a 3rd string RB only used for short yardage, which I guess would be cool because we need someone like that to compliment Jamal, but a 2nd round pick wouldnt be worth it with someone like Hughes or even Von Miller on the board.
I like Von Miller and Hughes, both
I think Gerhart is the kind of player that is better than his measurables, has a ton of heart.
I would actually not take either Pouncey in the 2nd… I’d consider Miller and Gerhart, or Benn, or an OT like Capers, Fox, or preferably, Ciron Black
Also, Nate Allen is a great prospect that I doubt makes it out of the 2nd… he’d be a good pick too, even though TH has him in the late 3rd.
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
I agree Gerhart has heart
I just dont think he is a guy we need in the 2nd. Im convinced Charles is a top 7 back in this league, I think we only need a Big RB to pair with him just to take short yardage situations. Its not that I dont like Toby G, Its just I dont think its worth the high pick. Im not to fond of the Mike Pouncey pick, but the Mauricke pick is fine. Of course O Dowd would be a good pick there but Id rther have Pouncey-Miller/Benn before Pouncey-Gerhart.
i hear ya...
but, I’ve been arguing that a “big RB” may not be the answer for KC…
obviously the offense works better with Charles than LJ… I think with the playcalling and blocking as it is… Charles is just the type of RB the Chiefs need. To avoid excessive wear and tear on him, I’d bring in another back, but it doesn’t HAVE to be a big “bruiser”… think Marcus Allen… he was a hellova short yardage back, but could also catch and wasn’t that big.
Anyway, I think KC really needs to get a starting Center out of this draft, I’m just not sure who it is… they also need a FS and/or SS, NT, ILB, OLB… and some help at WR/RB/KR/PR…
also, IF Cam Chancellor, Fredie Barnes and Myron Rolle are ALL still available in the 7th, I sincerely hope KC trades for some picks in that round…
thos are 3 VERY good players
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
The Bucs picks
Would love it except for the Weatherspoon pick because the WR position is a greater need as they’ll want to give our young QB targets..OLB will be drafted for depth later as the 2 young ones we have have been stepping up
Question
Do you know anything about UCLA’s WR’s Nelson Rosario and Terrence Austin status and Moore who is safety and has had lots of int’s this year
Terrance Austin is a SR and is likely undrafted unless he wows in the combine, pro day, workouts. Rahim Moore is a SO and will eventually be a high pick, he can come out next year as an underclassmen. Nelson Rosario is also a SO and eligible next year. Rosario will be hurt because of the depth of that WR class unless some of them come out next year.
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First of all, great job on the mock!!!
Nice picks for the most part, and seven rounds!!! Dude you must be snowed in or something. As for the Carolina draft, you did okay considering everyone just goes with the bandwagon and mocks us a QB and a WR. Here’s my assesment of your picks for us.
2nd Round: I like Lafell, nice choice here.
3rd Round: QB will definitely be chosen, but not this high. We have Matt Moore, who has looked fabulous, and Delhomme will be a solid backup. We do need another guy just in case of injury or Moore slumping, but not this high, and definitely not McCoy. He doesn’t fit our scheme. I’d rather take Barksdale in your mock, maybe even Oghobaase. Barksdale is an elite LT prospect, he could go late first to the Colts, and we need a pure LT behind Gross, as Wharton has struggled some playing that position this season.
4th round: I like this pick, we need depth at linebacker.
6th Round: Garret Graham is an okay pick. Jeff King could be leaving Carolina after this season. But if he doesn’t, we have three TE’s that could start for us, and all are very capable. We don’t need a fourth. More likely is a backup, developmental type QB such as Jonathan Crompton. Geno Atkins is a good pick for us, we need DT.
7th round: I’d rather this pick be some sort of return man, Holliday, Banks, or even McCluster.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Really sold on Matt Moore? In my mock it would have to be Banks or Leroy Vann in round 7 because I have Holliday, James, and McCluster already taken.
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Either would be good, I'm not familiar with many of the returnmen in this class
And yes, I’m sold on Matt Moore. He’s better right now than most of the second or third round QB’s we could get. Delhomme is a competent backup, and he could even be the starter again if he comprehensively beats out Moore in camp.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Jan 3, 2010 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
For seven rounds you get a REC!
Nice job on the Lions, except in Round #3. I think you have over valued Matthews. Based on who you have available the Lions would pick among Brandon Ghee, Kyle Wilson, and Reshad Jones. They would then grab Anthony Dixon in the fourth round. You are right about the need for an RB option. Missing out on Austen Lane would be a disappointment as I think he may develop into a solid NFL DE.
Well done.
It was between Reshad Jones and Ryan Matthews and with the Smith injury I gave the nod to Matthews.
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Thanks for responding tj.
I just think Matthews is too much like Smith….and not nearly as good. Dixon is much bigger and would be a better complement to Smith when he comes back. Mo Morris is an older version of Smith too.
When the draft occurs I am not sure the Lions will have a good handle on Smith’s ability to come back. I have confidence Smith will return in 2010, I just don’t know when or how good he will be.
Great Job on 7 rounds
you got the steeler draft kinda right. We always draft a TE, but you addressed the other needs, Secondary help with Thomas and Warren. 2 OL and 1 DL, but no LB. There will be a little need there
We wouldn't draft a TE this year
even if we cut Spaeth we still will have three. Plus we need a new NT a OLB atleast.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
7 Rounds is hard work
I first congratulate you on a very good mock draft.
Two things:
1)
The Vikings are a team with secondary issues. They passed on fixing the problem last year in the draft but simply cannot ignore fixing it this year. Look for a CB or Safety ( or both) in rounds 2-5.
BTW selecting Snead wasn’t to bad a thought in the 2nd. I think we either go 1st round or wait til 5th.
2) No person as knowledgeable as Piolli will take a middle Linebacker in the top 5. Curry was an outside LB. If Okung is available KC will protect their QB.
This is a repost of an article I used earlier to a McClain fan.
BTW: I like McClain a lot. Just not top 5
This is a reprint of an article by Gil Brandt posted 5 months ago on NFL.com entitled
"While middle linebacker has lost draft value, good 2010 prospects remain"
Over the past 10 years (2000-09), only four inside or middle linebackers have been drafted in the first round of the draft — the only position with less first-round picks over that time is fullbacks with none (not including punters/kickers).
The reason for this is because unless a prospect can play all three downs as an inside linebacker or can rush the passer and create big plays, teams are waiting to the later rounds to fill a need at the position.
Over the past two years, only 15 inside linebackers have been selected over the entire draft. In 2002, just two were taken in the first four rounds while only four were chosen in the first four rounds in 2006. In the 2009 draft, two very good players James Laurinaitis (Ohio State) and Rey Maualuga (USC) did not get picked until the second round by the Rams (35th overall) and Bengals (38th), respectively.
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I gave the Vikings Dowling in round 1 you think they’ll go with another?
So Pioli won’t draft McClain in the top 5, yet he took Mayo at #10, I just don’t see a big difference especially if they were looking at Curry last year. Yet they will jump at Okung even though there is no history of Pioli using a high draft pick on an OL. I believe Madkins was the highest drafted OL and it was #32.
I know the history of the MLB’s that is why I have Spikes falling to round 2 because of Laurinitis and Mauluga.
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Thanks but Raz has declared he is going back to college.
He announced on December 30,2009. I would take him in a heartbeat but he won’t last this year or next past the 20th spot.
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Did not see that, thanks for telling me.
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So, who am I getting in round 1?
and I really want to point out that passing up on a top 5 Elite talent like Gerald McCoy , Berry, or Okung is just not the same as taking Mayo in the #10 spot. I think McClain fits perfect into the 10-20 range even though I know he won’t go that high. But passing on the best safety in 10 years, or the best OT in the draft, or a player ranked slightly below the DT of the decade just doesn’t make sense for a MLB not rated Elite in any way.
Call me crazy but wouldn’t one of the worst teams want to rebuild with the best long term players they can find?
Again good work on this draft.
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I guess we rate him differently. I do view McClain as elite. I think he is better than Mayo when he came out.
Yes there is a history of MLB not going very high, there is also a history of safeties not going before 5. To me McCoy doesn’t fit at all, they have Dorsey and Jackson their last two 1st rounders already at DE and I don’t view McCoy as a NT so I’m not seeing McCoy at #3.
They very well could go Okung, I would have no problem with that however like I said earlier there isn’t a history of Pioli and co. taking a OL high. Maybe the Patriots OL just never warranted one? I don’t know but there isn’t a history there.
They very well could take Berry, I would not have a problem with that, but with seeing Pioli reach for a Tyson Jackson last year, I can see him taking McClain this year.
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you're dead on, sir
* "I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Really like the Steelers draft
I would crap myself if we get Warren in the 2nd round, but I’d be very happy if this were anything like the real thing.
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by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Jan 2, 2010 10:30 AM EST reply actions
appears I'm the only one who disagrees
No NT, one DE and Saftey, an unneeded TE. Like the first to rounds the others not so much.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
the draft here is not bad
i dont think we need a TE. Hampton will probably be tagged for another year. The DE out of ECU is a sleeper. I watched the Liberty Bowl last night and he had a good game. I dont know how he did statwise, but he looked pretty good. We could probably switch out C Scott RB and Saunders TE and switch it out with Selvie out USF OLB or Joe Powelek out of Baylor. Also if you want another S there is Myron Rolle. Those are all still availabe until they were picked in the late 6th round
Jaguars
1st – Good
2nd
3rd- Its alright but we have good depth and all at Dt so its good. I’d rather see LB Quan Sturdivant or QB Tony Pike.
4th- Can’t argue against it, even though i don’t know him.
5th- Good, i like Myron.
6th- QB, is Jarret Brown better than John Skelton?
7th- We have no 7th round pick, we traded it for our backup qb this season.
Good job with !7 rounds!
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Vinny O-
Is a great DT, i wouldn’t mind Brian Price either. Imagine a D-Line with Harvey, Pot Roast, Vinny O, and Derrick Morgan on it. Henderson becomes trade bait. We could play the 3-4 again if we can get a rush backer. Our team is so close to being good, we need D-Line and Secondary. TJ nailed it.
No more 3-4
It just isn’t a good fit and it’d require too many personel changes. Until Henderson is traded or offered, i’ll assume he stays and DT remains a strength on defense. I just think that there’s more useful and more BAP players out there at that time of selection.
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If this is the Redskins draft
I am jumping off of a cliff!! I hope that we would not pass on Okung & Berry & then take Mallet. To pass on Charles Brown & take Spikes would not seem wise. With no pick in the 3rd, it is hard to believe that we would wait until the 4th before addressing our biggest need (remember, Vinny is gone) which is our High School Offensive Line
I love the Jaguars draft
A pass rush is dire and help with the secondary is a necessity. I’d agree with TheTealDeal that I’d take Tony Pike over a DT in the third round, but I wouldn’t be angry about Oghobaase at all.
Rec’d
On the Bengals
Chad Jones. I don’t think Jones is a 1st rounder (but I can see you do) so I differ on this pick but I can see why you chose it (I don’t know if he has enough speed to warrant a 1st rounder… but I can see it happening). The Bengals do need a safety so I understand the pick, personally I think they’ll wait until the later rounds to take either straight up run-stuffer or pass-cover guy, but no major qualms with the pick.
We also run a board which is more BPA than need-based (Brown in the last few drafts noted he changed his system slightly… last two drafts have been hits… if only he’d increase his scouting department…) I could see us go for a DT if Tank Johnson doesn’t resign – and with us getting to the playoffs that may be less likely – so Dan Williams has the size Lewis loves in his DTs. But at the moment, it is really hard to decipher the Bengals needs. Earlier this season we didn’t look like we needed a DT, but with Peko getting injured and Tank being a FA our depth is exposed a little. Another thing to note is that it is our Offence which needs help, and could do with adding a playmaker or difference maker.
Greg Jones. This pick I really disagree with, not because it doesn’t show value, but because in our Lewis/Zimmer 4-3 scheme the SAM position (Maualuga will move to MLB where he is best) is a converted DE. Lewis chose David Pollack to play this position (sadly a neck injury cut his career short) for the Bengals (Lewis said it set their defence back several years when he retired). Lewis also oversaw the pick of Peter Boulware who he made an integral part of his 4-3 – when he was the D-coordinator of the Ravens. As the only starting spot left (next year) will be the SAM (as Rey isn’t going to be our SAM, he’s a MLB in waiting) we will get an undersized DE who can play coverage and blitz on passing downs. Someone like Norwood, who is a DE/LB might be a good choice in the late second… or the Bengals may take a CB because JJO rookie contract will be done soon and he’ll want to get paid well.
Eric Decker has an injury which will force him to miss nearly all of the workouts/combine etc so I see his stock falling further than this (who knows…). Brown also tends to shy away from injured players. Personally I see the Bengals trying to replace Henry with Danario Alxander (6-4?, 220 Missouri) as he poses the redzone problems Henry did and he can – in time… as he is alittle unpolished… and therefore perfect Mike Brown type of pick! – replicate the route running and size of TJ Housh over the middle. That said, I think the third round the round that the Bengals will try to gain another WR in (especically as we should also have a 3rd round comp pick). And Decker isn’t a bad pick at all… I can just see Brown shying away from taking another player with a foot injury.
Noel Devine. A RB/KR who can help in the slot is something I feel the Bengals need. Because after Benson went down, Scott couldn’t fill both the RB and KR parts. That said, I have a sneeky feeling that the Bengals won’t pick a light back like Devine as a RB (because they signed a power-runner in LJ to cover their RB depth rather than a scat-back). The Bengals are likely to take a special teams ace and a like-for-like replacement for Benson (or at least a RB who can run inside well). Myself, i’d rather McCluster as I think he is going to be one of those players every GM wishes had taken him… and in the fourth round doesn’t really offer much risk.) If they value a special teams ace high, they’ll take a RB like Devine or McCluster here. If they don’t value special teams this high an insider runner may be the pick.
Prospects I can see the Bengals taking at this point (in your mock) are Cunningham (LB/DE) to fill that SAM spot or if still a RB, someone like Tate (as Brown likes RBs from Auburn).
JD Walton. Bengals don’t need a C as they drafted one last year who they like and have a starting C who they love and think will made the pro bowl in seasons to come. (ie. No room at the inn!) If a good all-round or run-blocking TE is around they might take one… and a DE is a distinct possibility.(someone like C J Wilson could be a choice).
To be honest I think you understand the general needs of the Bengals really well, one or two picks I don’t think they’ll make etc but building a 7 rounder is quite mad. Well done… i’m sure it took some crazy organization. Shows a great depth of knowledge about the draft too.
by Sheffieldbengal on Jan 3, 2010 10:35 AM EST reply actions
I do think Chad Jones is a 1st rounder, I just really didn’t know what direction the Bengals would go in. I was really considering a WR at that point but was also thinking maybe Cody or Weatherspoon. I agree they do the BPA thing I just don’t know how they will have their board set up, to me the BPA was Chad Jones.
Greg Jones was pure value, I was thinking OLB and he was available and figured why not. As was JD Walton just tremendous value at that point. Walton could actually move up because he is one of the few that did a very good job against Suh this year.
Thanks for the input.
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I also have to wonder whether the Bengals might go after a WR in a trade
If Denver finally decides they’ve had enough of BMarshall and are willing to let him stay in the AFC, then Cincinnati might be a good match. He’s not at all the same type of receiver as the late Chad Henry, but I think he’d work well in Cincy’s passing offense and would have an All-Pro quality wide-out on the other side of the formation, which would be appealing.
I like Alexander...
but his biggest knock is injuries, also…
he’s had knee issues
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* the LB corps may become the biggest strength of the Chiefs in 2009
* The OL is NOT as bad as you think it is... give it time, and you'll see improvement this season
* Stats are for losers
Changes to Draft Order
I think the Bucs get the 3rd overall now, not 4th.
Does your draft include compensatory picks?
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This was done before the games were played this weekend, so yeah there are changes to the draft order.
No it doesn’t include Compensatory picks because they haven’t been released yet.
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I'm loving this mock for the Cardinals
Fills our obvious needs and stocks up on some linebackers.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
I dont think the Rams pass on Suh
Only way I see them passing on him, is if they trade down and you cant do a mock draft with trades. Suh in first and then go from there. Hopefully they can grab Suh and then if one of the QB’s like Bradford,Clausen or Mallet fall and they can trade back up in the first to grab one of them. Its going to be real interesting
I’m starting to think the Rams might go Suh simply for financial reasons. Clausen is going to expect what? 55 million guarenteed. I’m kind of starting to think they go after a "vet" like Jason Campbell and just take Suh which combine those two and it probably isn’t 55 mil.
That’s just my thought, I could be way off.
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I dont even think they will get Jason Campbell
I bet that we cut Marc Bulger, draft a QB in either round 2-5 and make him a backup but ready to play in 10’ with us singing someone for a one year stop gap. Im really hoping Bradford falls past the first 15 picks then the Rams trading up and grabbing him. Suh and Bradford draft addresses two HUGE needs and then they can pick up a top WR in FA and they are looking a ton better.
I doubt you pick up a top WR in the FA.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
If the Rams could get Campbell, I would understand if they did not go QB at #1.
But really, when will the Skins let Campbell go? Will they do it before the draft, which will pretty much commit them to drafting a QB at #4?
Will the Skins just cut Campbell or will they trade him to ……..the Rams, Panthers, Raiders, Bills, Browns, Seahawks? I think Campbell has some value but I don’t think he is a QB that can consistently lead a team into the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, I like Campbell and think he would do well on a very good team. I just do not think he is a franchise QB.
Would the Rams go into the draft with their current QBs, draft a project QB in the second round [or move up to get a falling QB] and hope like hell they can upgrade with a FA QB? That seemed to be the Dolphins strategy in 2008. Worked for them.
I thought you had to be a six year veteran before you could be an unrestricted Free Agent?
Campbell is only going into his sixth year.
Every I’ve seen says he is a free agent.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 6, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think his status may depend on a new CBA. Not 100% sure but I think he is UFA if they sign a new deal and RFA if they don’t.
Exactly right
If no CBA it takes 6 years to be UFA. If a new one is reached it’s only 4.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
Are there some "rules" regarding the creation of Mock Drafts?
This rule that says you cannot project a trade is very interesting to me. Before I do a Mock I would like to be aware of all the appropriate rules. I would be embarrassed if I submitted an illegal Mock Draft. Can anyone publish this list of rules?
Mocking Dan, As Head Writer you must be the keeper of the Mock Rules, right?
Apparently there is no rule that says all the players that fall a round or two from their projected spot cannot end up on your favourite team.
who said there was a rule?
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
see Jombari's comment about twelve up from here.
you cant do a mock draft with trades.
-Jombari
I have heard others mention this as well tj. Personally, I think that is ridiculous. You can do whatever the hell you want in a Mock Draft. It will just not be very realistic or worthy of comment if it is too off the wall. In my opinion.
I dont think anyone set a rule
It just doesnt make sense to mock trades because they are so unpredictable.
But it makes sense to have some player drop a round because.....?
It’s a freaking Mock Draft! Do whatever you want, but be able to back it up with some kind of logic. Then be prepared to defend it when a lot of commentors rip into it.
It just isnt pretical to mock trades
they are so unpredictable. I dont really have an issue with it, It just makes someone look foolish in my eyes, because its usaully there team making the trade.
When people do trades they only do one with their team and they make it one sided.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 10, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
There is nothing one sided about the Bears trading the #250 overall pick for the #16 overall. That is very fair.
NOTE: Heavy dose of sarcasm
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 10, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
I really could see the Bears trading up with a team like the Pats to get into the 2nd
Bellicheck and Pioli love 3rd round picks, I could see the BEars trading up to pick up an OG like Johnson or a WR like Benn/ LaFell.
No WR, Dipsh!t Angelo has stated that the Bears first two picks will be offensive line.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 10, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Thats kind of stupid of him
What if no good OL is on the board and Brandon LaFell falls?
by darwithabar on Jan 10, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Detroit Lions
Mr. Hendrick,
Love most of the Lions picks. Unfortunately, the Lions lost their 7th round selection for their trade from Ko Simpson.
Also, Suh will go to Kansas City when they trade their number three and 35 to St. Louis for their number one. St. Louis will still get their QB because Detroit doesn’t need one and will pick up an additional second round high selection.
Detroit will select McCoy or Berry.
D
Why would KC trade the number 3 pick and the 35th pick to move up 2 spots
So we can get Suh when we have 2 top 5 players who havent been in the league an even 5 years combined?
Used the draft order off of walterfootball.com. It wasn’t on there. I’m not predicting trades so sure maybe Suh goes to KC at #1 but why would they use three 1st round picks on the DLine in the three years? They have some holes to fill.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest if Suh was there Pioli would take him
According to Scout, The only game Pioli personally attended were Suhs and he went twice or something like that. With his love of DL in the top 5, Im sure he would do it. But that trade is just ridiculous when Pioli is at the 5 spot.
Hendricks
What do you think the chances are the Chiefs draft Tate with their first 2nd round pick? Weis was hired today as the OC supposivly.
If he’s there, I wouldn’t surprised. You all need a center too, don’t you?
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 6, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah we do
But we could get a center later. I wouldnt be surprised if they did pick Tate though. Maybe weis even talks them into trading up to get him but who knows.
If I had Golden Tate falling that far I would have them taking him. I just don’t know where he lands.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I could see them trading up considering how bad our WRs are. I really hope we get Tate or Williams.
I am not understanding all the Joe Haden picks for the Niners in the mocks I am seeing
Clements is under a fat contract and will be fine next year and they sure aren’t going to replace Spencer. Our problems have been at the safety positions. Goldson came on as of late, so if anything we will use one of our 1st’s on a SS. The other will be spent on a Tackle of course.
Joe Haden is the best CB of his class, however, just cause he’s the best doesn’t mean he will be all that in the pro’s. Dunta Robinson comes to mind when I think of Haden; good but not great. He has a lot of flaw in his game and he got schooled pretty bad by Brandon LaFell this year.
I would say there is close to a ZERO percent chance that the Niners pick Haden there. All this talk about Clements going back to Safety is non-sense and has been addressed by the Head Coach himself in a few press conferences thougout the course of the season.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Brandon LaFell only caught 4 passes for 44 yds against Joe Haden
He definitly didnt school Haden, It was the other way around. I would agree they dont pick Haden because I doubt he falls that far. I wouldnt be surprised if the Chiefs or Browns picked him. If he did fall though (There is a chance) The 49ers would draft him. He is a rare shut-down corner.
I dont care about the stats
look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpLLlAGHGns&feature=PlayList&p=DFFA8E16D441A17A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6
The film doesn’t lie. If this is happening here, then whats going to happen against elite guys like Randy Moss, Ochocinco, Andre Johnson, Fitz, etc… you can have him. No thanks.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
nothing about Haden = shutdown
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
If Haden is projected as best CB in the draft
And he is as mediocre as you suggest what does that say for the CB class as a whole?
I’ve read Haden is very very good and the class is deep.
Do you disagree on just Haden or the class as a whole?
I reposted this as a reply to Drew. Sorry for the double up
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
I disagree with whatever you are reading. I think this is one of the worst classes of CB’s coming in to the NFL in a long time and Haden just hapens to be the top of that very weak class…So to answer you, yeah, I don’t think there is a very strong class of CB’s. There may be a guy or two that is a hidden gem in the later rounds but Dunta
Just think back to the ‘04 draft; Robinson was drafted 10th overall and was receiving alot of the same type of hype (like Haden is), and for the same reason’s; not a deep class. What would you categorize Robinson as now? servicable at best? I am not saying that Robinson and Haden’s styles are the same but simply using that as a comparison to the class of CB’s that came out in ‘04. Robinson was the best of the bunch but more than likely should have been a 2nd or 3rd rounder. HIndsight is always 20/20 but I sort of see the same thing forming here with Haden. Not to mention, he has benefited from a stellar defense and one of the best front 7’s in the land….there’s what 9 of the 11 guys going pro from that D?
I don’t know, I would have to say that most of us (probably 99% of us at Niners Nation) cannot fathom picking Haden that high. The general consensus is that it’s not really Scot McGloughan’s style anyhow. I would take him in the 2nd or 3rd but definitely not with one of our two 1st’s. We need Oline help majorly and 2nd biggest are of need is probably the SS position. Alot of folks over there have been clamoring to do everything it takes to trade up for Berry…although I cannot see that happening as we would have to sell the farm. Sorry, kind of went off on a tangent there but just wanted to give you a little insight as to what our fans are saying….almost nobody can see us or wants us to take Haden. And the likelihood of Scot M going there is little to none as well.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Your way off
LaFell only caught 4 passes that game and you said he abused him. I watched the game and LaFell did good in the slot like the aunoncer said but he in no way schooled Haden. If your relying on highlights to back up your claims your foolish. Haden has highlights just like that. Haden is a very good player and one of the 15 best in the draft. To say he had a hard time against a potential high 2nd round pick is no discredit to him. You were wrong and your video only proves it, On Joe Haden’s bad day, LaFell could only manage 4 catches for 44 yds. You said LaFell schooled and that was clearly not the case. I watched the game, Haden shut him down the 2nd half of the game and Haden did have a bad game but that doesnt take away the other 12 games where he completly dominated the other WR. Julio Jones was absolutly shut down by Haden in there game. Julio Jones had 2 catches for 28 yards and on both those catches he was not open. Haden was right there with him and made the tackle imediatly after.
Bro
Tape doesn’t lie…game’s do not lie. I hate to burst your Haden bubble but he is nothing special. Haden also on that same drive got dusted by his man in the corner of the endzone. Took a God awful angle. I saw the game too, do you remember that one? Haden wasn;t only covering LaFell and other guys have made him look like an ametuer as well
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I did watch the game and he had an ok game
And your absolutely right, Tape doesnt lie. Watch the tape from the bama game where he made a fool of Julio Jones, A much better WR. The 49ers would be lucky if he fell to them after he runs a 4.35 40 and kills all the other drills. Just because he show a highlight tape of him getting “schooled” (right) doesnt mean anything. He absolutely shut down the best WR in the nation.
Also, You must not remenber the game because your watching one from his sophmore year
This year, He shut him down drastically. He shut down everyone he played. He is the best player on a pass D that only allowed 150 pass yards a game. Your wrong on this one. You just need to forget you even said it before you dig it deeper.
Okay point noted
you have a man crush on Haden (check)
you aren’t seeing things for what they are (check)
and I better get a shovel cause I wont stop on this one (check)
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Point noted
you have a man crush on Tony Pike (check)
you aren’t seeing things for what they are (check)
I don’t get the last part.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy!
by tj.hendricks on Jan 11, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
He said "dig deeper"...shovel?..... nevermind.
I don’t care about Pike that much, but I do see him for what he is.
You mocked my middle comment, man…you weren’t lieing, you do mock everything haha
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
look at the title of this post
How many mocks could a mocker (me) mock if a mocker (me) could mock a mock.
I’m a mocker and I mock everything that needs to be mocked and anything that can be mocked.
Some people read a book, some people sew, I mock.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy!
by tj.hendricks on Jan 11, 2010 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a line from Enemy Of The State when he was talking about his blender being stolen
He said some people read, some people sew, I blend.
Or it was something like that.
It’s not important.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 11, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
haha
I get it NOW. sew what. That is funny, to bad it took me 8 hours to get it. That’s on me.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 12, 2010 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Haden wasn;t only covering LaFell and other guys have made him look like an ametuer as well
That’s good considering that Haden is an amatuer, in fact all college athletes are amateuers because if they were getting paid then that would be a big no no.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 11, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Playing against other ametuers
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Yes he was
playing against other amateurs because he was in college, that is what they are in college, amateurs. You won’t see the San Francisco 49ers play the Florida Gators.
Now this upcoming season he will be playing against professionals so THEN you can say he looked like an amateur.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 13, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that film is indeed from 2008. The scores on the bottom mention Oklahoma 35 Texas 45, this years final was Texas 16 Oklahoma 13. Also this game is in Florida, this year they played in LSU.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 11, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I am not understanding all the Niner fans not liking Joe Haden
Clements could be cut in the offseason when they could rid themselves of the contract without a cap penalty. Is it going to happen? I have no idea, i’m not the 49ers GM. So your thinking Earl Thomas or Taylor Mays instead of Haden?
This is the 10th mock draft I’ve done on here and in probably 7 of them I’ve had them taking Haden and this is the first i’ve heard of not wanting him.
So LaFell got Haden a couple of times. Imagine that a potential 1st round picks beats a potential 1st round pick. It happen.
I respect your opinion but your “ZERO percent chance” is a little strong the draft is three months away nothing has a ZERO percent chance. Yet.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Clements cut?
He has a pretty fat contract, they would take a huge hit if they cut him, we simply can’t. He got a shoulder injury, he didn’t get paralized and his legs are fine, he’s a big hitter and will be back as a starting CB for ‘10-’11. Singletary already said he woulld be back to start next year. Michael Lewis is the problem, he is fine in run support but just flat out gets burnt in coverage. Our CB’s are not the problem in our secondary. But the biggest glaring flaw on the team is Oline; Alot of fans have been saying they want Bulaga and Iupati (a tackle and guard), but Scot M is not the type of guy who passes on playmaker players (i.e. Crabtree)… We will definitely take a tackle with one of the 1sts if we do not trade up… the other possibilities and most common things that are being said is: Spiller because of Singletary wanting to establish a run…speculation that he will want a change of pace back; Dez Bryant is another possibility so that we would have two premier WR’s in Crabtree and Bryant, our offense needs help; …Taylor Mays and Thomas have also been mentioned like you said above; Some people are hoping that we will even trade up to get Berry since we have 2 first’s…. anyway, the point is that maybe, maaaaayyybe 1% of the fanbase has been saying Haden and most of those guys are just saying it cause they see it on a random mock draft or something like that, not because they are thinking deeply about team needs. Most of those people are the same guys saying go get Vick… or move Clements back to safety when Singletary has already said “NO and NO” to both. Clearly some people just fantasize and don’t really dig deep, listen, and the most important element…hear.
This is the 10th mock draft I’ve done on here and in probably 7 of them I’ve had them taking Haden and this is the first i’ve heard of not wanting him.
It sounds like you are doing these mocks a bit on the blind side with only bits and pieces of info. Go to teams websites, listen to coach press conferences on official team sights. Go to other SB Nation sites to get more insight. The fans watch the games and discuss them, it gives you great insight. You can get good information other than what the media stations on NFL Network and ESPN are saying. You need to dig deeper than what you are. Because evidently, if this is the first you heard of us not wanting Haden (or more importantly NEEDING Haden as a 1st round pick) then you have not been paying nearly enough attention to certain teams. As far as the ZERO percent chance comment, I just know my team better than anyone who is NOT a fan of the 49ers…so unless Spencer, Clements, and Brown get hurt falling down the stairs or something like that, I feel very confident in sticking to that statement
I think you do a good job overall, but if you want to be better, you have to use alot more resources. I go to alot of the college team sites, pro team sites, etc. I do alot of reading there which helps in assessing things. Don’t take this as criticism because it’s not intended that way, you have potential, so I hope you really listen to what I am saying and take the advice. Some people let their ego’s get in the way…me? I am always looking for ways to improve what I am passionate about. With as many mock’s as you do, it seems that it would only benefit you to have that outlook as well
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
LOL
Have you seen his mocks? Now, Have you seen yours? Seriously, You have got to be kidding. Since when do the fans get what they want during the draft? LOL, Your the funniest person ive ever talked to on here. This is either A) A Joke and your laughing or B) Your serious and dont know what the F your talking about. Good luck selling Pike to anyone but yourself and good luck selling anyone with a brain this BS post.
Yeah I have
your comments =
A Joke and your laughing or B) Your serious and dont know what the F your talking about.
Finished responding to you.
I just wanted to say thanks Drew and Smiley This is alot of effort for a 1 round mock. I know alot of people are bashing (Everyones mocks have flaws) but this is a good mock both in effort and the picks. good job and thanks for sharing it.
by darwithabar on Jan 7, 2010 10:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you are a hypocrite.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
LOL
That was before you starting taking shots at people. Of course im gonna stick up for people when your sneaking cheap shots in your posts, I DID THE SAME THING FOR YOU. Im not the type to come out and say, “Hey all your picks suck” I even said in the same post, “Pike wont go that high” I praised you for the effort you put into making the mock. Good Job on for that. Still, I find it hard to beleive you represent NN by going to other sites and talking crap. Really, If you think you hurt my feelings with this, you’re wrong.
I think t.j. has a bit more wit than you, at least he seems to… but we’ll find out how he responds and takes it I suppose.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Why arent you responging to every post huh?
Why not respond to the posts at the top? You still think Haden got owned by Brandon LaFell, I know that. It obviously isnt true because it never happpened. The reason you say it did is because you dont want your team to draft him, but dont come on this site and tell people they dont know is much as you because they wont let you make stuff up.
LaFell did good against him Haden's Sophmore year (2008) Which is where the footage is from
But not his Jr. Year, This year, Last game they saw each other, 2009, yada yada. Here is a article about that game and Haden’s year all together.
That has been obvious based on the way he helped shut down three of the Southeastern Conference’s top receivers. Haden plays the boundary, which is the short side of the field, so the receiver he lines up against depends on the offense’s formation. But he and Jenkins made LSU’s Brandon LaFell and Terrence Tolliver and Georgia’s A.J. Green no factor in UF’s victories.
LaFell, who has caught 52 passes for 705 yards and a SEC-high 10 touchdowns, had just four catches for 44 yards. Tolliver (47 catches, 654 yards, three TDs) had two catches for 14 yards.
Green, who is second in the SEC with 83.4 receiving yards per game, caught three passes for 50 yards.
That’s a total of nine receptions for 108 yards from three receivers who will go on to become NFL Draft picks.
“He’s a fantastic player,” Alabama coach Nick Saban said of Haden. "I think they have a fantastic secondary, and he’s one of the outstanding players in the secondary. He can play man-to-man. He can play zone. Very instinctive. Good ball judgment. He’s a good tackler.
“All those things to me contribute to being a good defensive back, and I think he has all the critical factors.”
Including the intelligence to know where he couldn’t play.
If there is no salary cap then there is no cap hit. So this would very well be the time to cut players with big contracts if they feel they are underperforming. I’m not saying he is underperforming just it could happen.
CB Nate Clements – He’s not a free agent, but he’s likely going to be asked to take a huge pay cut, but will he do it? Mike Singletary already demoted him before he fractured his shoulder and now the team will want to reduce his salary. Clements’s pride may tell him to go elsewhere. According to Singletary, the 49ers see him still as a corner and not a safety.
Ok maybe safety was out of the question but being cut isn’t.
CB Dre Bly – The effusive corner had to learn to play within the scheme, which kept him out of the starting lineup for most of the season. However, once he did start, he produced, with three interceptions, a sack, and a pair of forced fumbles. Bly, Walt Harris, and Nate Clements are all over 30 and they were never considered fast in their primes. But of those three, the 49ers are most interested in retaining Bly.
I don’t know how credible that source is since I don’t live in the Bay Area although my sister does maybe I’ll call her. Livermoore, CA (hate visiting there)
I do have the 49ers taking Trent Williams and Mike Johnson at #14 and #42. So I’m not neglecting the OLine.
I once gave the 49ers CJ Spiller and Joe Haden and I got reemed because you guys have Glenn Coffee. Nothing on Haden, but Spiller was shot down because of Glenn freaking Coffee.
I do research (even though apparently you are the only one that does) so I have seen this stuff to see he could be cut. I don’t want to go on other teams sites, I hardly go to my team sites, I like it here. I also “researched” what your NN pal smileyman claimed to “research” saying that Eric Turner wasn’t a safety, that he was a corner, yet made all pro and two pro bowls as a safety.
Are you saying I go strictly off of what the NFL Network and ESPN say? I can’t have my own opinion? Check the sig I don’t really like ESPN. Good stuff for conversation though but they don’t dictate MY opinion.
I never said the 49ers NEED Haden. DIdn’t say it, find it and show me.
SO you assessed that Tony Pike has a strong arm by listening to their fans and WR? I do listen to fans when they come on here.
I suggest you read this site thoroughly before calling people a homer, or saying they are biased. I am neither.
You saying I have an ego? Only ego I have is the ego waffles in my freezer. Let go of my ego!
So I’m not supposed to take any of this as criticism yet I’m biased, use an illogical draft order, i’m a homer, I don’t have eyes or good judgement or good insight. I don’t read, watch or research football. Yet even with those deficinecies (sp?) I do a good job overall? I don’t want to be better, I am better than Todd McShay and that is all that counts.
Another thing I mock everything, I don’t take much seriously serving four years for this country will do that to ya. Much more serious things than this.
But you did piss me off throwing out that you write for a SB Nation website like we must now all agree with anything you say.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy!
by tj.hendricks on Jan 11, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t expect everyone to agree…it’s obviously not realistic.
and to everything else…fair enough. Except I don’t think that Clements will be cut. Singletary loves that guy and he fit’s like a glove for “Singletary football”.
I never said the 49ers NEED Haden. DIdn’t say it, find it and show me.
Never said you did, capped the word for emphasis.
SO you assessed that Tony Pike has a strong arm by listening to their fans and WR?
So I guess you are saying Mardy Gilyard is a liar? I am confused on what your intentions are on this comment. What motive does he have to lie? Does he get part of Pike’s NFL contract? I don’t know why that was brought up again. Hopefully this subject can be left alone until April 22nd from here on out…. anyway…
So basically, I think… correct me if I am wrong, there is a mutual respect here? It was hard to tell by the comment here between the sarcasm, rubutals, and complete defense of what I said above. Maybe not… afterall you’re better than Todd McShay… So I should be seeing you on NFL Network or College Gameday here soon right? lol.
The reason I brought up the NN comment is because the Head Writer there brought me on to do this (Offseason discussions, mocks, prospect reviews, etc). Basically every writer there has an area that they focus in on…. this happens to be what I focus in on. I guess it wasn’t necessary to throw it out there and I wasn’t exactly trying to throw out as cred’s to say I am better than you. Definitley not my intentions there.
You saying I have an ego? Only ego I have is the ego waffles in my freezer. Let go of my ego!
It’s Eggo Waffles and the phrase is “Leggo my Eggo” unless of course you meant ego…haha.
With as many mocks as you have done here, why aren’t you a writer for the site? Just curious.
Anyhow, despite how you have misinterpreted just about everything I have said toward you… again, I do think you do a decent job. It’s just too bad that you don’t think that there is room to get better. I think that the people who are content with their abilities, lose focus easily…just my opinion. I am always trying to better myself and it pays off for the most part.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I don’t know if Clements gets cut. I don’t know if this is just a bunch of hoop-la about no cap hit or if it will really happen. Awhile back on Windy City Gridiron they were mentioning the possibility of cutting Tommie Harris because of no cap hit. It would be the time to do it though. Do I think it will happen? I honestly don’t know and I don’t think anyone does until we see. Alot (maybe no one) has been through this before with an uncapped year and no cap hit, so I can’t say with confidence that someone will or won’t get cut. There is no history of this.
I know 1st round and 3rd rounders are different but did the Patriots need Kevin O’Connell in 2008? Yes GM’s have tendencies but all it takes is for them to fall in love with a player, and with you saying without the combine, pro day, and workouts being held yet that Haden won’t be a 49er (it’s your right) I just find puzzling. For instance the Bears GM Jerry Angelo has stated their first two picks will be offensive lineman. I’m taking that as it is it’s BS from his mouth. Could it be true?Maybe, maybe not, I don’t know I don’t work in his office. When someone gives the Bears a WR in round 3, I don’t tell them there is zero chance of that happening, I just simply state what Angelo said. If they change their mind ok, if they don’t ok. I’m NOT going to tell people to do research.
That quote you gave of Gilyard doesn’t even mention strong arm, he says running and gunning and slinging it around everywhere. Sure you may think that means strong arm or It may be code for our backup sucks. What is he supposed to say damn we got the weak armed Pike back? Scouts scout, players play. If scouts who are much more knowledgable than me say Pike has a weak arm, hey Pike has a weak arm then. While I think many are making it worse than it is, it still isn’t good. I am not calling Gilyard a liar but like DWB said he should stick to his job.
I am a very sarcastic person, I have learned that many times I have to add a note saying heavy dose of sarcasm otherwise people take it serious. Respect? Yes. Like? NO.
Hell yeah I’m better than McShay he’s just better looking so he gets the TV Spot so no chance of ESPN, no to the NFL Network because I would slap Mayock upside his head (like his analysis hate the voice drives me crazy listening to him). College Gameday no chance, I would be checking out the college ladies.
I’m going to steal a line from you. You mentioned it’s not how much football you watch that makes you an expert it’s your perception. Well it might not be your intention to flaunt your title, but it’s how people perceive it. I looked at it like you were trying to be hot stuff over here. We can call that a wash then you didn’t mean it but we took it the wrong way. Done.
Yup that’s my bad it is Eggo, damn thought I had something there.
I don’t know why i’m just not. Mocking Dan does a fantastic job here though.
There is a difference between passion and life. My life is my job, this is my passion, I want to get better at my job because that pays the bills. My passion is for fun, getting better at this does what? Nothing. I try bettering myself at the stuff that matters, the stuff that will take care of me and my dog (I guess). This doesn’t do that, it just fills a void of my down time. It’s not like I brag to people at work saying I make good mock drafts.
Whats up first I do a good overall job and now I’m just decent? Make up your mind you have to feed my ego (not eggo).
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 11, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
Drew your a child
I dont know how you got a job as a mod. Look at your post and the insults that are in it. Grow Up.
by darwithabar on Jan 12, 2010 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Hey Drew...
I am a lifelong Seahawks fan so I watch the division rivals pretty closely. Couple questions:
1. There has been some talk that Singeltary was preparing to demote Nate to nickel corner anyway. I remember in the Colts game he made the move, although some have suggested it was simply a situational matchup issue with Wayne. My question, I guess, is that if the staff feels Nate may be exposed against some of the leagues #1’s, do you think that the injury concern (broken shoulder blade yes?) could be enough to push them to find insurance? It may not be at #13, but I think it has to at least be on the table at some point.
2. The contract does seem to be an impediment to simply cutting him loose. Rumors are, of course, just rumors, but what have you heard about the FO asking him to restructure? What once seemed like innuendo, is starting to appear more solid.
Should Nate restructure, or be cut loose (cap prohibitive for sure), I could see Hayden being an option if he slipped. I’m not personally a fan of CB’s over 6 foot but he seems pretty dang fluid in his turns. For what it’s worth.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
with likely no cap in 2010
cutting him would be a lot more possible.
the beat writers think that a restructuring is in order and that potentially he could get cut with no cap…but nothing is coming out of Santa Clara on the issue other than Sing saying he thinks Nate is still a good player and wants him back…of course he has to say that.
I think he still brings good coverage and dude is a beast in run support. His 6 million salary in 2010 is twice what our #2 CB is slotted to earn though and I’m not sure Nate is worth quite that much.
We definitely need insurance/depth/competition at the CB position. If everyone were back next year the average age at CB would be over 30, probably closer to 31 or 32.
I think a Javier Arenas who brings return skills would be ideal though. Returner has been identified by Singletary as a big need and one they will address in the off-season. This gives the player time to work into the defense too.
"Vernon is going to be a great tight end one day, but he's got to put the whole package together." - Thanks Sing for echoing this.
If Haden is projected as best CB in draft
And he is as mediocre as you suggest what does that say for the CB class as a whole?
I’ve read Haden is very very good and the class is deep.
Do you disagree on just Haden or the class as a whole?
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
Both
I think Haden is overrated as a CB and this class of CBs is not very deep. Pay attention to highlight clips—he has a weakness against underneath routes as well as for double moves. He’s not very good in run support either—he misses tackles and gets blocked easily.
Yes Drew K, Tim Tebow will get picked in the first round.
You just mentioned damn near every corner coming into the NFL. 95% of them struggle against double moves and aren’t good at run support.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Haden
Is good against the run. Notice you said highlight clips, so assuming its a running back highlight clip. Tape a game and watch the whole thing. Haden is hard nosed and cut tackles well. It’s hard for a lot of corners to shed blocks, considering the people who block them are generally all bigger, whether it be a receiver, fullback, or lineman.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
This is ridiculous
Haden is a good tackler for a college corner and this is not a weak CB class. Patrick Robinson is a pure cover corner and he might go in the 2nd round. Haden is a beast, He shut down Julio Jones badly, He completely owned him and Julio is twice the WR LaFell is. LaFell may have beat him a couple times but he only managed 4 catches. Haden does have trouble covering the slot because he is not that type of corner. He is ment to play on the outside with the other teams number 1 guy.
There is nothing anyone can say to convince me that Haden is going to be anything better than a short, average NFL corner. I have eyes and pretty good judgment. I write for a SB Nation website about the stuff…I have pretty good insight. Do alot of research and reading and watching.
This CB class is not deep at all. Typically there is usually 25-35 CB’s taken in any given draft…give me 10-15 CB’s that will have a starting job next year. Guarantee you will be reaching on alot of them.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I will even make it easy for you…give me 10 quality CB’s in this draft…again, probably going to be some pretty big stretches.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I forgot
SB Nation writers>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us losers that read their stuff.
Everyone views things different. Some like Haden more than you do and you like Pike more than most. But since you have eyes (we don’t) and pretty good judgement, as well as write about this stuff AND have good insight (something us readers all lack) I’ll take your word for it. Haden sucks Pike is awesome. After all none of us do research or read or watch games. Just you.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
Final word: There is no better college cornerback than Haden. He’s come along this season as a complete corner capable of shutting down a side of the field and helping against the run. Although Haden struggles at times against shiftier receivers in man coverage, he has good speed and can out-muscle opponents.
Haden was a starter upon setting foot in Gainesville. He missed only one game in his career due to injury and started 40 games for the Gators.
Clearly the top cornerback available in the 2010 NFL Draft. Has the strength, tackling ability and closing speed to play free safety as well.
This is part of the scouting report done by the head writer of Mocking the Draft, Mocking Dan who writes for a SB Nation website too but apparently lacks good judgement and insight and doesn’t research, read or watch because he seems to think Haden is altright.
give me 10-15 CB’s that will have a starting job next year.
Will any position have 10 to 15 starters next year? Demetrius Bell a 7th rounder started for the Bills so would that put a position over from weak to strong because a 7th rounder got a start?
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
Will any position have 10 to 15 starters next year?
Probably. For that matter name 5. I will cut it down for you since apparently you’re just going to use excuses.
And again, to quote another SB Nation writer and then go on to contradict yourself by mocking me kind of zero’s out your point.
And really? You are going to use one of the worst teams in the NFL who need help however and whoever they can get?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I will name you 5 easy!
Donovan warren, Joe Haden, patrick robinson, Trevard Lindley, and brandon ghee will all get taken by the early 3rd and I guarentee they start.
Seriously?
What positions will have 10 to 15 starters next year? Please you tell me a postition and name 10 to 15 that will start as a rookie. I will cut it down for you since apparently you’re just going to make an excuse.
How many positions have had 10 to 15 starters their rookie year?
How am I going to make excuses? I don’t know who is going to start or not and neither do you because they aren’t even in the NFL yet!
Say the Bears draft Kareem Jackson in the 3rd round he could very well start given the injury history to Charles Tillman, Nathan Vasher, and Zach Bowman. To say a class is weak because 10 to 15 players won’t start as a rookie is nonsense.
You make it seem like anything less than 10 rookie starters is a weak class but due to injury or bad drafting a 7th rounder like Demetrius Bell started. So if injury bugs hit the NFL and 10 rookies start at corner then are you going to say that the corner group was strong this year because 10 started?
You mention how you are right about Pike because
But I guess I will let everyone hate on the Pike pick as much as they want. I have seen plenty to know what I am talking about
Insinuating that those that disagree with you haven’t seen enough of him.
When you say
I have eyes and pretty good judgment. I write for a SB Nation website about the stuff…I have pretty good insight. Do alot of research and reading and watching.
You are insinuating that none of us have eyes, we have poor judgment, bad insight, don’t research, don’t read or watch because we think Haden is good.
I don’t know why you even bring it up unless you expect all us to bow down to you but you mention writing for a SB Nation website “about this stuff”. So does the guy (Mocking Dan) who writes for this SB Nation website but since he paints a different picture about Haden, he must not watch games or research or have good judgement or have good insight because ONLY you do.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
I would take Dan's word while he was drunk and blind over this guy
Its obvious what he is insinuating….He is smart and were all dumb. 04 QB class was weak TJ, dont you know. We didnt get 10 or 15 starters.
There is obviously things like percentage, players picked per draft, averages, etc… none of which you evidently know anything about if that is your response.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
NO
You dont know what your talking about. You said Joe Haden got schooled by LaFell when it was the other way around. Every WR that Haden faced this year (With the slightest bit of NFL talent) Didnt even score a TD on him. He shut down everyone. Its ok to say that you dont want the 49ers to draft him but dont say he sucks and make up crap about him.
Never said he sucks but LSU did have his number… there are more vids but I am not going to get in to all that because you are apparently in love with him. But I will havg around and when he is an average CB in the NFL, then I will have a little more ammo.
What I said is that he was the best CB out of a not so good CB class…you took it upon yourself to interpret and twist that in to something else. That’s on you.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
He
Isn’t in love with him just because he says he is the best corner in the draft. Okung is the best tackle in the draft, but he isn’t my favorite prospect.
Haden is a shut down corner and without a doubt the best in the draft, who played the best competition.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
You did say he was bad
Ive already read the reports of the game and the scouts say Haden schooled him. You took a video from 2008 and said it was this year. You also have been dissing people sneak like since you started posting. If I was a mod I would have banned you already. But, I probably would have banned myself too.
by darwithabar on Jan 12, 2010 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Your handle should be changed to twisty or tweaky cause you seem to have a pretty good hold on doing that with the truth.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Ten or fifteen starting Rookie Corners?!? Are you kidding me?
If there have ever been more than six in a year I will be very surprised. I counted four in 2009; two on the Dolphins [Davis and Smith], the Colts [Powers], and the Jags [Cox].
A number of others made their teams but are nickels, back ups, or special teamers.
2010 CBs that will make their teams in some capacity: Ghee, Haden, Robinson, Warren, Arenas, Cox, Franks, Jackson, LIndley, Murphy, Owusu-Ansah, Wilson, and McCourty for sure and a few more might sneak in. This group is not that bad.
Nice reach
2010 CBs that will make their teams in some capacity:Ghee, Haden, Robinson, Warren,Arenas,Cox,Franks,Jackson,LIndley,Murphy,Owusu-Ansah,Wilson, andMcCourtyfor sure and a few more might sneak in. This group is not that bad.
There fixed. Most of those guys will be lucky to make it eventually as nickel corners in the NFL.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Are you kidding
Arenas, Lindley, Ghee are all guys that will contribute on day one. I’m starting to get the feeling you don’t watch that much football.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
by Bestjagfan on Jan 9, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I got that feeling when he said he watched Joe Haden's game against LSU when he was a sophmore
This year.
You stand corrected agains sir
The vid feed was from this year…well I guess if you want to get “technical” it was last year ‘09 meaning ’09-’10 season.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Are you kidding me?
This shows how big of a liar and a phony you are. In the video you showed us, It is clearly in the post if you click the link, Florida is ranked 12th by the AP. In the year 2009, Florida was not ranked 12th once all year. Also, Florida has 30+ points by the end of the “Low Lights” and Florida only scored 13 points on LSU this year and LSU only scored 3. Your wrong, That game is from 2008, The video was made in 09 before the FL-LSU game took place. Nice try.
I really wish you would anwser up to this Drew K
I know what happened. You looked at his “Low Lights” (They call them that for a reason) and you decided he was no good. You didnt take into consideration that could have been his sophmore year. Now, Your too proud to admit you wrong. Am I close?
by darwithabar on Jan 12, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Not at all close
If we were playing a game of “hot” and “cold”, you would be frozen.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Arenas = too small (good return guy), Lindley did not do much this season, and Ghee is way off the radar
and I watch A TON of football. Probably 12-15 hours a weekend when both pro and college football are going at the same time. However, I always love the ol’ infamous “you probably dont even watch that much football huh hah :P” …watching football doesn’t make you an expert or non-expert. Perception does and seperating guys who will contribute for a while and those who wont…or can’t because of things such as mechanics or other tangibles (size) that will hinder a player from being successful at the next level
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Yeah
There have been a ton of players who have been said to be “too small.” I’m not giving Arenas a first round grade, but I think he goes before the end of the third.
Lindley is an athlete who can’t last to the third. He is one of the best man coverage guys in the draft.
Ghee isn’t off the radar. The Jaguars have announced a lot of interest in him, going to two Wake Forest games this season with the intention of watching him play.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Too small
That’s why guys like Allen Rossum make their bread and butter as return men. They cannot cover the taller WR’s of the NFL. It happens. As much as I think Arenas is a good college CB, his translation to the NFL will be one that wont work well. That’s just how those things work out typically and most often
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Really
So thats why 5’9" Alphonso Smith was selected in the top ten of the second round. Things just work out that way.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Who?
and what is he doing thus far?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Btw
the “who” comment =
/sarcasm
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Nothing Much
I’m saying he was selected in the second round, early too. Just because a guy is small doesn’t mean he will instantly fall in the draft.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Certainly doesn't help stock much
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Yes, Arenas is small but it’s not like anyone is mentioning him as a 1st rounder on here. The highest I’ve seen anyone (on this site) mention him going is like #28. Everyone here pretty much agrees he’s a 2nd round prospect.
Lindley was also hurt for some of the year, I was high on him coming into the year but I have jumped off the bandwagon.
Ghee is not off the radar. In fact he has the widest range on anyone I’ve seen so far on where he can land. There are people out there that feel he can be a 1st round pick, there are people who feel a high 2nd rounder is good value, others like me feel low 2nd to mid 3rd is his range, but off the radar might be too strong.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy!
by tj.hendricks on Jan 10, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
This is a comment from a guy above in response to me saying that this year does not have depth at the CB position.
Are you kidding Arenas, Lindley, Ghee are all guys that will contribute on day one. I’m starting to get the feeling you don’t watch that much football.
Lindley: Me too
Ghee: I am on the fence about him…he has potential, but potential meaning he hasn’t lived up to it yet and will have his hands full to get there in the NFL
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Yeah
That comment was by me. I didn’t say they were first rounders. Players from the seventh have been able to contribute day one. Arenas will be an opening day return man. Lindley could play second corner or nickle day one. Ghee could see some action in dime packages, or even nickel with a good camp.
What else are you saying about my comment. I would be happy to further elaborate.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I second Bjf, you need to do a little research before you make your comments.
Could you dispute that those were the only 2009 rookies to be regular starters? Powers came out of nowhere to start for the Colts when Jackson was injured. Darius Butler did play some [five starts] for the Pats and Malcom Jenkins got some time [six starts] in for the Saints but offhand I cannot think of any other rookie CBs who did.
As an aside, I admire your ability to peer into the future. Those guys I listed will make their team’s roster. Corner is a very difficult position to play and these guys will be brought along slowly. You will see more of them starting in the next few years. Not every rookie starts in the NFL from day one.
If you were familiar with the NFL you would already know that.
Derek Cox
Started all sixteen games at second corner for J-Ville this year. And he came out of the powerhouse William and Mary in the third.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers started all 16 games last year for the Chiefs
Both Rookies, Carr, He went to a power house too, In Div 2 Grand Valley State. 5th round pick.
Dolphins
Had two guys start some games for them as well. Vontae Davis and Sean Smith got some good time.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I named them both in my original comment about eight or so up from here.
I also named Cox too. I was wondering if there were any others, but no one named any.
Flowers and Carr were drafted in 2008 not 2009
This was their second year in the NFL.
My point was that a lot of the CBs sit for a year and work on special teams and as nickels to learn the position.
I was talking specifically about 2009.
I’ll give the Chiefs credit for having the guts to start two rookies for pretty much the entire year.
dwb, Were the Chiefs desperate or are these guys really good?
I’ll let dwb answer about Carr, but I like Flowers, I thought he was extremely underrated in the draft.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy!
by tj.hendricks on Jan 10, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Flowers is a stud
He led the AFC west with 5 ints. Brandon Carr is nothing special. He got worked by Jabarr Gaffney. He doesnt turn his head around when the balls in the air. For some reason he regressed alot.
by darwithabar on Jan 10, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
I could really see the Chiefs drafting Haden because he is such a liability
Of Course, IDK now though. Drew could have called Pioli and told him not to.
by darwithabar on Jan 10, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Take it from me
I have good judgement, and insight, I read, watch, and reasearch AND I post on a SB Nation website………………….
Take Pike over Haden.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy!
by tj.hendricks on Jan 10, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
You mock so much you probably even mock yourself huh?
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
I love mocking myself. It’s a hobby.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy!
by tj.hendricks on Jan 10, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I can tell
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
ok? good. Now that, that is settled what’s next on the agenda?
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy!
by tj.hendricks on Jan 10, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
I have….watched plenty….all year long….not impressed one bit. Don’t believe the hype.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Right
You have Pike going in the top ten. lol Youll never convince me you know what your talking about with him in your top 10. Haden has had a very good year. Patrick Robinson, Donovan Warren, Javier Arenas, Trevard Lindley, Brandon Ghee, Perrish Cox, Franks, Kareem Jackson, Akwasi, and Jerome Murphy could all get alot of playing time as rookies. As for 10 starters, Ill doubt there is 10 starters. Still, You dont write for a scouting web site, You probably write for the 49ers website like 500 other fans. Haden has proven he is one of the best players in the draft. To say other wise is crazy because someone scored a TD on him.
He shut down the best WRs in the SEC one on one all the time.
Here are the stats of WRs that faced him;
Brandon LaFell 4 rec 44 yds. 0 TDs
Julio Jones 2 rec 28 yds. 0 TDs
AJ Green 3 rec. 50 yds. 0 TDs
Mardy Gilyard 7 rec. 41 yds. 0 TDs.
Rod Owens 5 rec. 40 yds. 0 TDs
Gerald Jones 2 rec. 25 yds. 0 TDs
Alshon Jefrey 6 rec. 57 yds. 0 TDs
Randall Cobb 5 rec. 24 yds. 0 TDs
Must I keep going? He shut down every good WR he faced and I cant even find one that scored a TD on him. So, if you insist on going by that film thats from HIS SOPHMORE YEAR!!!! then go ahead. im going to be realistic and chalk it up to Haden having a bad game as an underclassmen.
Im pretty sure your looking at footage of his sophmore year when LaFell caught 5 balls on him for 80 something yards. But you are definitly not watching the game from this year like you said. He owned LaFell this year, period. Haden is the best CB in the draft and he wont get past the top 10 so dont worry about it.
Look
Your not even responding. I will give you some info about this site. Mocking the Draft may be filled with fans, ravaging fans of a team who have bogus opinions all the time, but you will never get away with making statments like that over here. You have to know what your talking about because people here do. Maybe that works on NN where people just watch the Niners and dont watch college FB but over here, we know who is good. Haden is one of the best players in the draft. There is atleast 5 CBs in this draft that will play alot next year. Haden, Rodinson, Lindley, and Warren will all start and Ghee will probably see alot of work at nickel.
by darwithabar on Jan 9, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Word, +1
This is an educated football sight. Everyone knows their stuff here.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Was it you talking about Snead better than Pike and Pike has a "Noodle arm"? Maybe Mardy Gilyard could give you some insight?
You will probably still come up with some wacky off the wall rebutal…so I will be unanxiously anticipating that. Here you go:
Gilyard, the Big East’s top receiver, ran back a kickoff 90 yards for Cincinnati’s first score — the third kickoff return of his career. He also had seven catches for 102 yards, including a one-hand TD catch at the back of the end zone.
The senior became Cincinnati’s career leader in touchdown catches. He had only one while Pike — whom he calls "Pistol" for his strong arm — was away.
"I knew that having Pistol back, running and gunning and slinging all over the place, I knew it was going to come eventually," Gilyard said.
But hey, what does he know? He only catches passes from the guy.
I do have facts and I do back my stuff up. It is hard to have conversation here because certain people exaggerate and twist peoples words. Trust me, I do alot of reading here and from both commentors responding to me in this particular response thread, I have seen alot of that from both of you. Could be why I don’t respond but I felt this one was necessary. Your perspective is a tad tarnished and I haven’t been around here enough to figure it out yet, but I will.
As far as Haden, I have never once said he sucks or whatever you all are saying, I said he was the best CB coming out of a crappy CB class (which I will not veer from, it’s my opinion from what I have seen of him…others have seen it too but I wont get in to all that). Both you and another guy on here have read between the lines and filled in the blanks to make my comment somethinng of which it isn’t.
So overall, I can back my stuff up, I don’t say comments without reason, and I won’t. You will learn that about me if you stay tuned. Maybe hanging around one or two SB Nation sights has blurred your vision… you should venture out to take a tour around all the sites (like I do) to get a more concise vision of how things really are….might help clear up some of that fogginess in the tunnel vision you seem to have.
All and all I am a fair guy and if someone makes a good point, I am man enough to concede a point. But if I am right, it’s not going to happen. Alot of people won’t concede a point when they are wrong because they think it will maybe make them seem less credable? Not sure what it is but convo with those types really isn’t appealing to me.
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Here's the website if you doubt that too (just incase)
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34174871/ns/sports-college_football/
Tim Tebow = 1,432,219 season tickets next year. Who wouldn't pick him in the 1st round with those projections?
Are you kidding
TJ and I are two of the many good mockers on here. You’ve got cheap shots all through out your comments. Your immature and you said Haden was horrible. Your changing your story. The reason you dont want to have a convo with me is because Ive shut you down every time. Also, Since when did Gilyard become a scout? Tell him to keep his day job. REAL NFL SCOUTS say Pike has a weak arm. They go as far as to say Noodle Arm, Chad Pennington Arm.
tj
What have you heard about Kyle McCarthy’s draft stock? You didn’t have him going anywhere. Is he projected to go undrafted?
Hes a 5-7 round guy
There is going to be around 30 more picks in the real draft with the compensation picks, so he isn’t on mine but very well could be picked.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Jahvid Best will Not Fall to the 2nd round.
He is faster than Desean Jackson (4.3 or lower). JB was a track star ran a 10.3 100 in HS to win the Calif. state championship.
Ahman Green was a track star, so was Eric Crouch. What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. John Capel (WR,Florida) was on the olympic team and didn’t last in the NFL.
As of right now, Best isn’t a 1st rounder in my eyes until he clears medically. At the beginning of the year I had him as a top 15 pick.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 8, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Jamal Charles was a track star with comparable speed to Best and he went in the 3rd
Like TJ said, He could easily slip past the first.
TJ
I really do want to see this 2011 mock draft, I have one in my head but id throw one together if you would. I judt dont want to be the only dork making one.
If you really want to see it I’ll post it, I do include alot of underclassmen and the order is based off of total standings from 2002 (Texans first season) to this year, so yes the Cardinals are low and for needs I went by if my 7 rounder was real.
Bears suck, Cubs suck, Bulls suck, Illini suck, who would have thought the Blackhawks would be my best shot at a title.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 9, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree with the Sergio Kindle pick.
For the Fins, it’s simple. If McClain is there, they’ll take him. If McClain is gone and Dez Bryant is there, they’ll take him. If they’re both gone, the Fins will go NT with either Dan Williams or Terrence Cody (although he’s a bit of a reach himself but atleast he fills our biggest need on defense) or Safety with Taylor Mays. I dont think there’s any chance the Dolphins go Rush LB in the first round as its not as pressing a need as some other positions. Yes, Porter and Taylor are declining with age, but they still have Cameron Wake waiting in the wings so they can afford to bring back one of either Porter or Taylor back and draft a Rush LB prospect later on in the mid-late rounds of the draft. They have much more pressing needs.
I just can’t pick Dez to them due to the history of Parcells not taking offense in round 1 too often. Hell him and Bob Kraft got into an argument over Terry Glenn back in the day.
I didn’t think of safety.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 11, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta agree that Dez and Tuna make a bad 1st round sandwich
Although Dez is great and the Phins need another WR. I like the idea of them going
ILB/ DT/Safety in the 1st round.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Jan 12, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Dez Bryant is the 2nd best option for the Fins (McClain being the best possible option), he's the best available and he fills a huge need.
Mount Cody is a reach. Dan Williams is a reach (unless they decide to trade back later into the first round and add draft picks which would make the most sense). Taylor Mays, though not a reach is the last possible option. Parcells wasn’t born yesterday. He knows Bryant is a superior talent and will take Miami’s offense to another level. The only other reciever who’s name should even be allowed in the same sentence as Bryant is Damian Williams, and he’ll be off the bored by the time Miami selects in the 2nd round (he would be a huge reach at 12th overall). Golden Tate does not fit Miami, they already have a surplus of undersized recievers. Brandon LaFell is not a No.1. Arrelious Benn, though has potential, drops way too many passes. The Fins will want a sure handed pass catcher.
I can see the Dolphins signing a WR in FA...
that’s more Parcells like.
Remember that Keyshawn guy? Brandon Marshall is much more of a knucklehead, but maybe the Dolphins grab him?
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 12, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Parcells never has had the issue at reciever like he has had this season. The Dolphins have no weapons on offense. Things change.
But he’ll only take Dez if Rolando McClain is already off the board. He’s definitely not goin End or 3-4 rush linebacker with the first round pick, that i promise you, as that is not a major need and there is no 3-4 outside linebacker that truly 100% stands out above the rest (Derrick Morgan will not be a 3-4 rusher).
I’m not saying it won’t happen. Parcells very well could pull the trigger on Dez Bryant. I just don’t have the testicular fortitude to give Parcells an offensive player in round 1. I was wrong when they took Jake Long. I could be wrong again, hell I’m wrong an awful lot.
I don’t do trades in my mock draft because fans would be outrageous, they get pissed when they get a player they don’t want, so imagine doing a trade they wouldn’t like. But I really do think the Dolphins trade down, I’m not as high on the NTs as some are, and an OLB at that point is too high, but with me not doing trades I give them one of those two. Next time I will probably do a safety because I didn’t know of a need at that position. I just can’t however give them Dez Bryant. I’m too much of a weenie.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Jan 12, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
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