East-West Shrine Game open thread
by Dan Kadar on Jan 23, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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PrintIf you're around today and checking out the Shrine Game, stop by and give some thoughts on who is participating.
Several sites have been in Orlando watching practices, where the real player evaluation takes place. Obviously, I have not been there.
So, if you're interested in some recaps, here are some good ones:
Draft Guys: Great day-by-day analysis.
Sports Illustrated: The week's top performers
ESPN: This is ESPN Insider content from Scouts Inc.
East-West Shrine Game particulars:
When: Saturday at 3 p.m. (EST)
Channel: ESPN2
Coaches: Romeo Crennel (East) and Marty Schottenheimer (West)
National anthem: Kenny G (No joke, WTF?)
More links:
Jeremy Bolander, aka Styg, gives his 20+ players to watch.
Arrowhead Pride: Coaching staffs have heavy Chiefs presence
After the jump is summation of six guys who I think helped themselves the most during the week of practice.
Freddie Barnes | WR | Bowling Green
Each practice report about Barnes is that he caught just about everything thrown in his direction. High passes, low passes, Barnes caught them. He’s not merely a product of the Bowling Green spread offense. Barnes has excellent hands. Still, his speed numbers will knock him down the draft. But he’ll make some team extremely happy.
Rodger Stafford | OT | Indiana
Stafford was never really all that impressive this season. He was a solid player, but was exposed by Iowa’s Adrian Clayborn. But at Shrine Game practice Stafford reportedly looked very good on his feet with technically sound footwork. Stafford will need to get much stronger, but his stock is up after a week of practices.
Torell Troup | DT | Central Florida
Quietly, Troup closed out his season playing extremely well for the Knights. He kept that momentum going into this week. Troup was said to be a load to stop, which is expected from a player who is 314 pounds. But Troup’s quickness and agility earned him rave reviews in Orlando.
John Skelton | QB | Fordham
In a week where every other quarterback looked bad, Skelton looked passable. While he was never phenomenal, Skelton was said to show good poise and really came alive during two-minute drills.
Doug Worthington | DT | Ohio State
Worthington has received a lot of praise this week for his tireless work ethic. For a player who is a backup the next level, work ethic is something players like Worthington need to display.
Keith Toston | RB | Oklahoma State
Coming into the 2009 season, Toston was a backup. But he came along and was one of the most productive running backs in the nation. In practices he showed off quick feet and good balance working through the hole.
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who do you think needs a big game
Because of their weak practice week. I heard BYU’s Max Hall was inconsistent all week.
The game is kind of an afterthought, as far as talent evaluation goes. That’s because the limited defensive schemes and how short of time the guys have to learn things. The real big stuff happened during the week.
But, obviously, if some guy comes in and lights it up, it can’t hurt. I’ve heard a lot that Hall has trouble dropping back.
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I have heard that that East Washington QB has been good
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 23, 2010 11:45 AM EST reply actions
Same here
Read some stuff that he throws a great ball with some zip. Love the way scouts describe players.
Hey Dan
have you heard anything about DT Martin Tevaseu, UNLV? Sounds like he impressed Marty…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions
This is from ESPN Scouts on Tevaseu
Hard to believe the 6-2, 340-pound Tevaseu could go unnoticed, but he was being overshadowed by some other players until today. He’s stout against the run and does a good job of extending his arms and getting a good push. On inside run period, he got underneath Washington State OL Kenny Alfred and walked him 3 yards backward. He is raw as a pass-rusher, but he can collapse the pocket. He’s a little too big right now and he’ll need to lose a few pounds or conditioning will be an issue, but he has the tools to be an excellent 2-gap defender.
He is a squatty guy who has a really thick build. The 6-2, 340-pounder was tough to get movement on and anchors well. While he doesn’t have elite foot quickness, he has enough quickness to make plays. He uses his hands well and right now he is really tough to block. He’s a two-game guy worth keeping an eye on.
by Jeremy Mauss on Jan 23, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like he could be a sleeper in the Red Bryant mold.
Big, talented, and powerful, but he might take a few years to develop.
Jeremy, this is pretty much my opinion of Tevaseu. He’s a scheme guy.
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good stuff, thanks
I read that he weighed in at 420 when he was recruited…. and was down to 335 by the time he was starting at UNLV (after a transfer). Sounds like he knows how to get his head in the game, and get right, even if it takes a while.It’ll be interesting to see if anyone takes a chance on him…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think we might have to use helmets
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jan 23, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
i'm looking forward to seeing
Freddy Barnes, WR, Bowling Green
Emmanuel Sanders, WR, SMU
Dennis Pitta, TE, BYU
That white, tall-ass dude, WR, Colgate
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 23, 2010 1:29 PM EST reply actions
I'm watching for
Alterraun Verner, CB, UCLA
Mike Tepper, OT, Cal
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Ugh
We’ve already missed a three-and-out. I hate you Sun Belt basketball!
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O’Brien Schofield of Wisconsin intercepted a pass earlier in the game. Not bad for a first-time linebacker.
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Yeah it's Tepper
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Pretty lame
That numbered rosters weren’t put together and ESPN isn’t showing them either. Kind of hard to follow the players.
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Rodger Safford (East-76) is looking pretty good. He’s coming off the line really fast.
And these quarterbacks are pretty bad.
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Can't wait for Skelton and Nichols
to get on the field.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Skelton is who I want to watch the most in the whole game.
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Hopefully west team stalls and we can get a look at Hunter Lawrence's leg
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And there you go. Your freaky kicker fetish can be satisfied.
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Wow
Great burst off the line by the East LDE. Wish I knew who that was… May have been Willie Young of NC State, which is no surprise.
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I assume that is Estes at C for West
little guy, but doesn’t play like it at all…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions
East has the 6’10 Army wide receiver in the game. He’s so slow off the line.
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release looks terrible
was that a DE covering him?
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
On one of the plays, yes. He lined up wide and looked like he was going to fall over.
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A nice route run by Blair White of Michigan State. That was about it. Daryl Clark was the quarteback. He’s spotty, at best.
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lol at Villenueva interview
“What was the question?”
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
They never once threw Verner's direction
Either he’s shutting down the receiver over there or the QB just wasn’t looking that way.
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I loved Verner as a freshman. But he never really seemed to get better.
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On that Reesing pass
Real nice pressure by Mike Neal of Purdue (92). He had a good drive there. Handled double teams on two plays and collapsed the pocket on two others.
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Probably just this game...
but Darryl Clark seems a lot like David Garrard.
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Garrard's black?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
not tall.
can scramble well, turns accuracy and arm strength on and off it seems…
Seems very good at times…others…“why is he a QB”?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
nah...
racist would be if I said “Garrard looks a whole lot like a young McNabb”…..
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
nahh...I'd say Garrard looks a lot like Akili Smith
just about 50 lbs heavier, several inches shorter, completely different arm strength…but he looks JUST like Akili
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 23, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
*Clark?
Garrard’s pretty good…Smith….not so much.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
o..
now I do.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
finally somebody found Barnes
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully Barnes will get some time in the second half. Being saddled with Clark, who has no timing on his throws, drags him down.
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Did you catch the McShay comparison of Barnes to Rod Smith?
It’s a nice thought, and I love me some Rod Smith, but there is going to be a big difference between them: Barnes is going to be drafted….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
If Barnes is half the player Smith was, watch out. Loved Rod Smith.
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the horrible QB play is ruining our chance to see these talented WRs
Sanders and Barnes especially
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 23, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions
Throw Arnett in that mix too...
3rd quarter can’t come quick enough…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Just FYI
If you were watching half time and saw the Herzlich thing. I had him rated as my No. 8 overall senior entering this season.
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I was like
what the heck is that sound? They interviewing McShay in an elevator… lol
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a golf game...
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
What is going on with him?
is he still sick? I"m not watching the half time.
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Not sick at all
Officially over cancer. Now back on the comeback trail.
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good
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jan 23, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
McShay just knocks Colt McCoy…then says Sam Bradford should be the first QB taken..yet, has many of the same questions as McCoy.
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...and the only QB taken in the first round.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
fuck McShay
that pansy is just hatin on Notre Dame. Clausen is the best Junior QB to ever come out. And Mel and I will laugh in his face when Clausen goes no.1 overall
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 23, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see Bradford go to the Redskins....
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
His arm isn't strong enough.
Lol… Elway… Cutler… Shanny likes it if they can break the WR’s fingers.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
He went with Jake Plummer all those years....
I can see Danny boy buying into the hype and getting him…
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
And then he tossed him overboard when Cutler came along.
I’m not saying it won’t happen… just making an observation. Big arms equal diamond eyes.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
i'm sorry
just sometimes man…sometimes
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 23, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Miami (Ohio) not playing at Notre Dame.....
not even close.
For a young kid dealing with all the crap that Clausen has to deal with…
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
What difference does it make where he played? If anything, Clausen had the advantage of far greater talent. Who did Roethlisberger have besides Martin Nance?
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talent around him is one thing,
but Clausen made a lot of those dude’s what they are.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
How? Floyd was a top recruit. Rudolph was a top recruit. Tate has freaky talent. Who did he make?
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what does that matter?
USC’s had top 10 WR for seemingly every year…how many of them really panned out?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
You said he “made a lot of those dude’s what they are.”
Who? Whose game did Jimmy Clausen elevate?
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all of them....
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Get out of here. Explain, please, what exactly Clausen did to make them better, even though they were pretty damn good when they got to Notre Dame. If anything, it’s the other way around. They’re the ones who made Clausen better.
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yea...
cuz throwing a bunch of talent on a team ALWAYS pans out…
Are you serious?
Wow..ND got a bunch of top recruits at skill positions.
Talent at the skill position is absolutely useless if the QB can’t bring it out of them…which Clausen did.
Clausen was a top recruit too…THE top recruit.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Again
What did Clausen do that made any Notre Dame player a better football player?
Tate got yards after the catch. Floyd made highlight catches on Clausen’s overthrows. Rudolph got himself open over the middle.
One more time here: What did Jimmy Clausen do as a football player to make them better?
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?
you can make an argument that any skill position player makes his QB better…
All a QB does is throw the ball.
If a WR doesn’t catch…the QB “sucks”.
What Clausen did was be a QB. That’s what he did.
I dunno what sort of answer your looking for..but what exactly could a QB do other then make all the throws to make his players better?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Why did no one say this about Sanchez
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 23, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Why's this game on so early?
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST reply actions
to give us all plenty of time
to not waste the rest of our day…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Hardy
Anybody else have observations on him? I saw him make a couple of nice plays in the run game (including one from the under tackle position) and one pressure. I also saw him completely taken off guard and get pancaked at the end of the half. Just curious if anyone else is watching him.
Such an up and down player. That’s why he’s in this game and not the Senior Bowl. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got hurt before the end of this game.
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I don't care how exciting they try to make it seem...
The Pro Bowl will always be boring.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 4:35 PM EST reply actions
wow
From ESPN blog:
Clark looking better
The first thing you notice about Penn State QB Daryll Clark is how he looks more comfortable in the game today. He’s throwing with better rhythm and timing than he was in practice this week. We knew because of his athleticism he could thrive in a game like this.
Those must have been brutal practices…. to watch.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions
McShay needs to get off Emmanuel's sack
he’s been yakking about him all week. Just let the kid play… Let’s see him run a deep out, see if Nichols can get the ball deep for him
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:38 PM EST reply actions
Exactly
The most telling so far about Sanders is when they paraphrased him talking about how he doesn’t know how to run routes.
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69 offense
is it carter?
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions
doesn't look like a TT helmet...
has anyone seen Brandon Carter?
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
That was 79, Tepper
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I've been watching Mike Tepper all game
He can take care of any speed rush or spin move, but struggles with bull rushes.
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Good kick slide, bad power step with his right leg. That’s something to always watch with left tackles.
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just saw Brandon Carter
had a great series running over DTs while straight-line blocking. But, then he pulled on that delay/draw, he looked slow, really slow
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 23, 2010 4:55 PM EST reply actions
He’s good for power schemes like Dallas or Minnesota only, I’d say.
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quarless in at TE
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 4:58 PM EST reply actions
Saw some stuff I liked
underrated as a blocker, been coming along everywhere else. I just want to see him make some more progress while he has momentum.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sure does
Bit of a statue though
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Just that it’s poor, needs refined and that will help his accuracy issues.
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skelton just put a nice one on that TE's leading shoulder
very nice pass. Cutler-esque looking…
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 23, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions
much ado
about nothing. That wasn’t a wise series of decisions on that play by Nichols…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 5:10 PM EST reply actions
That was a heck of a throw to Pitta, though. Tight spiral right on the money. And then he shows bad pocket presence.
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And Mike Tepper is beat again. He’s not looking good out there.
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I like him better than most, but he’s reportedly had an average week and not done so hot today.
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Too easy.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 5:22 PM EST reply actions
The West offensive coordinator
Just showed why Kam Chancellor isn’t quite as good as McShay has been touting him.
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Wow, that was a great shot.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 5:32 PM EST reply actions
Have the corner backs played press at all in this game?
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions
Thanks.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
White's looked pretty good.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 5:49 PM EST reply actions
Poor Marty.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 23, 2010 5:55 PM EST reply actions
Freddie Barnes
The Broncos could use another Rod Smith after Marshall leaves
Quick thoughts
nice to see Quarless make a couple of plays…it is what he has always had the potential to do, and you know what they say about potential…
Props to Blair White, looked good when they showed replays of his routes, very productive, but I wasn’t fond of the body catches. Balls with a little more velocity might not have looked so good on his end…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions
Plus Barnes!
Looked great, even at the beginning when he wasn’t getting targeted, he was still getting open.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
The only questions on Quarless
will be about his personality/attitude. He showed some great promise at Penn State, but his attitude and some off-field issues kept him from ever being a big-name tight end in college. Some of the reports from the Shrine Game practices seemed to have shown the same thing – had some great showings in practice, but he just gave the presence of not wanting to be there at practice.
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