Mock Draft 2.0
by Jon Dove on Jan 28, 2010 11:01 AM EST
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Print1. St. Louis- DT- Ndamukon Suh- Neb
- I am sticking to my guns and saying the Rams cannot and will not pass up Suh. The Rams are nowhere near competing so they will be picking in the top 5 again next year where quarterbacks like Jake Locker and Ryan Mallet will be available. The Rams know what they are getting with Suh and will risk that a quarterback will be available next season.
2. Detroit- DT- Gerald McCoy- Okl
- Missing out on Suh will be a big disappointment for the Lions but McCoy will be a nice addition to a terrible Lions defense. Some will argue that Berry is the better player but the Lions really need help along the defensive front. Having a safety tandem of Berry and Delmas is a luxury this poor Lions team just can’t have. The Lions need to spread out the wealth of talent.
3. Tampa Bay- S- Eric Berry- Tenn
- Berry has playmaker written all over him and that’s what this defense needs. I also believe that Derrick Morgan is still in play here. Don’t under estimate the importance of a good pass rush.
4. Washington- OT- Russell Okung- Okl St
- The Redskins need to find the answer at quarterback, but a young quarterback behind a terrible offensive line is a recipe for disaster. Also I think Shanahan feels this team can win now so I expect Campbell to be given another shot. Shanahan is known for his work on the offensive side of the ball.
5. Kansas City- CB- Joe Haden- Fla
- The Chiefs main need is on the defensive side of the ball and the secondary is arguably the weakest position. Joe Haden can step right in and be a good cover corner which will help the defense tremendously. Don’t under estimate the effect a good corner has on a defense. It will allow for more blitzing and provide safety help in other areas.
6. Seattle- OT- Anthony Davis- Rut
- The athletic Davis is going to really impress teams with his workouts. His has a lot of upside and offensive line is a major need for Seattle. Pete Carroll may want to take a chance on Jimmy Clausen but it seems unlikely. Carroll didn’t come back to the NFL to struggle with a rookie quarterback. Also Derrick Morgan is a possibility here; the Seahawks really struggled putting pressure on the quarterback last season.
7. Cleveland- RB- CJ Spiller- Clem
- Cleveland has more than a few holes to fill but a playmaker on offense is a major need. Jerome Harrison had a good end to the season but is he really the answer at running back? CJ Spiller brings a lot of speed to this offense, speed they may need to replace if they are forced to trade Josh Cribbs. This might be a little high for Spiller but my prediction is that he is going to post huge numbers at the combine which will sky rocket his stock.
8. Oakland- DE- Derrick Morgan- Ga Tech
- Oakland can use help on the offensive line but they could also benefit from a better pass rush. Morgan has the ability to provide that rush and also play well against the run. I really think that the smart pick would be Jimmy Clausen but Al Davis is not ready to give up on JaMarcus Russell. Again don’t discount Davis’s commitment to Russell which might lead to the Raiders reaching on an offensive lineman.
9. Buffalo- QB- Jimmy Clausen- ND
- Fitzpatrick and Brohm are not the long term solution at the position. A left tackle would be a nice pick but there are not worthy of the #9 pick. Clausen will immediately be the best quarterback on the roster and could start from day 1. This might be a little low for the first quarterback to come off the board but injuries (Clausen-toe, Bradford-shoulder) are going to limit the quarterbacks’ chances of impressing at workouts. While players like Price, Haden, Morgan, and Davis will all see their stock rise due to being able to display their athletic ability.
10. (X) Denver(from Chicago)- LB- Rolando McClain- Ala.
- Denver’s defense was much improved last season and adding McClain will continue that improvement. I still have a hunch that McDaniels won’t be able to pass up Bradford but it will also be hard to pass on a talent like McClain, especially with all the help needed on defense.
11. (X) Jacksonville- DE- Jason Pierre-Paul- USF
- Jacksonville missed with Derrick Harvey and Quenton Groves but they still need a pass rush and will hope Pierre-Paul could provide this. Jacksonville has proved in the past that they will go with need over best available. If the Jags win the coin toss and pick before Denver they will still go with Pierre-Paul. Coach Del Rio is in a win now mode and a quarterback of the future doesn’t provide that.
12. Miami- WR- Dez Bryant- Okla. St.
- With McClain off the board Miami is forced to look offense. Bryant should be considered for this pick either way because they need to give Henne some weapons. Sergio Kindle might be an option here but he has to have a strong combine and workouts to reach this point.
13. San Francisco- S- Earl Thomas- Tex
- Coach Singletary will fight the urge to go with hard hitting Taylor Mays but in the end he will see Thomas is much more of a playmaker. Thomas is much better in the passing game where San Francisco needs a lot of help.
14. Seattle (from Denver)- QB- Sam Bradford- Okla.
- If Carroll wants to have long term success in his second go round in the NFL, he needs to draft a quarterback for the future. Bradford can learn behind Hasselbeck and take over the team once he moves on. Also this represents great value by getting Bradford with the 14th pick.
15. New York Giants- DT- Brian Price- UCLA
- The fact of the matter is that the Giants defense didn’t get the job done. They need help at safety and linebacker but Price is best available at a position of need.
16. (X) San Francisco (from Carolina) - T- Trent Williams- Okla.
- Trent Williams fits a major need. Coach Sing wants to run the ball and stabilizing the offensive line is the first step. Williams is a stretch at left tackle but a potential pro bowler at right tackle.
17. (X) Tennessee- DE- Carlos Dunlap
- Tennessee needs to generate a better pass rush and Dunlap has all the skills to do so. Can he bring back memories of a productive Jeavon Kearse?
18. Pittsburgh - DT- Dan Williams- Tenn
- Pittsburgh may need a replacement for NT Casey Hampton and Williams has the size to play the Nose tackle position.
19. (X) Atlanta- CB- Patrick Robinson-Fla St.
- Atlanta needs help at the corner position and Robinson is going rise after the combine results. Anyone that could run down Noel Devine is really fast. Not only is Robinson fast he can also cover and support in the running game.
20. (X) Houston- OT- Bryan Bulaga- Iowa
- Depth along the offensive line is something every team needs. Bulaga gives this emerging Texans team insurances and more protection for their fragile quarterback.
21. Cincinnati- G/T- Mike Iupati- Idaho
- This might be a little high for the guard position but many feel Iupati can rotate to tackle at some point. None the less guard is a position of need and the Bengals saw the benefits a good offensive can reap. Cincinnati could use some more offensive playmakers but none are worthy of this pick.
22. New England- LB- Sergio Kindle- Tex
- Kindle had a good national championship game and may see his stock rise more after the combine. New England needs some young talent at the Linebacker position and a replacement for Adialius Thomas, whom has likely played his last game as a Patriot. Kindle goes ahead of Navarro Bowman in this situation because his pass rush abilities fit the Patriots scheme.
23. Green Bay- OT- Bruce Campbell- Maryland
- Offensive line help is the biggest need for Green Bay and Campbell offers a viable option. Aaron Rodgers is hoping that Campbell can step right in and keep the likes of Jared Allen of his back.
24. Philadelphia- DE- Brandon Graham- Mich.
- Philadelphia will always be a heavy blitz team but last year they weren’t as effective. Brandon Graham can get it done off the edge from the DE position and would be a nice compliment to Trent Cole. The Eagles also need help a safety and linebacker, maybe Navarro Bowman could be another option here.
25. Baltimore- S- Taylor Mays- USC
- There are questions surrounding Ed Reed and while Mays doesn’t have Reed’s coverage skills he is an intimidating force. Mays has a lot of ability, now he just needs to put it together.
26. Arizona- LB- Ricky Sapp- Clem
- Arizona needs an influx of talent at the linebacker position. Sapp creates a lot of havoc in the opponents back field.
27. Dallas- LB- Navarro Bowman- PSU
- Keith Brooking is aging and Bowman could be a nice replacement. The Cowboys have need at left tackle and safety but there isn’t anyone worthy of this pick available.
28. San Diego- T- Charles Brown- USC
- San Diego could look at Terrence Cody here but his less than impressive performance at the Senior Bowl could have his stock dropping. Brown would be a nice option along the Chargers offensive line.
29. New York Jets- DE/OLB- Everson Griffen- USC
- The Jets need someone that can do what Vernon Gholston couldn’t and Griffen has the potential to be that guy. Griffen is a gifted athlete and is capable of providing a consistent pass rush.
30. Minnesota- CB- Kyle Wilson- Boise St.
- The Vikings need some assistance in their defensive backfield. Cedric Griffin’s knee injury threatens to have him sidelined for the start of the season, so Kyle Wilson can fill the void while he is out and then be a very capable nickel back when he returns. Wilson has been turning head this week at the Senior Bowl.
(X)- Position to be determined by coin flip
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VIKINGS BETTER NOT
draft a freakin safety from Boise State. i dont even consider that real football. stupid blue field.
smoke em' if you got em'
He is a Cornerback. A damn fine one too.
by NorthLeft12 on Jan 28, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
my mistake
he is cb. either way, id rather have patrick robinson from fsu. a big time player with lots of speed and size. by far the 2nd best corner in the draft and also, hes from fsu. players from florida are just better than the rest.
smoke em' if you got em'
makes sense right?
Farve’s from Southern Miss. He’s sucked all these years.
Chester Taylor’s from Toledo. He stinks.
Visanthe Shiancoe’s from Morgan State. He stinks
Jared Allen’s from Idaho State. Not Idaho. Idaho STATE. He stinks.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 28, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
right
just b/c he plays in a blue field…he has to suck…don’t matter how many ranked teams they beat during the year, or how talented he is
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by Latif Masud on Jan 29, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Even though we got numerous good players from Florida
I don’t agree with you.
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Winfield has an injured knee?
I think Winfield has an injured foot and Cedric Griffin has the inured knee. Either way, a corner would be a good pick for the Vikings.
One question though: If Pat Williams decides to retire do the Vikings take a DT rather than a CB?
i hope you dont eather
homer in me is hopeing he falls to 3rd round for lions.. i would love willson on the team
You, sir,
are an idiot. I would love if Kyle Wilson lasts until 29, then he will be a NY Jet, and you won’t have to worry about the stupid guy who played on the silly field.
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- CRASH DAVIS
For KC, I see the starting cornerbacks as one of the strongest parts of the defense. Haden is a fine player, but I see the NT, ILB and SS needs as greater needs for the Chiefs than cornerback.
Merlinnj
i am not saying they arent greater needs but i hope you dont want them to reach on a player like they did last year w/ tyson jackson… maybe they take McClain but thats still high for him. This mock is created w/ out trades, trading down might be an option but at #5 Haden is the best player at a position of need.
Jon Dove
haden isnt out of the question
But, Pioli doesn’t care about “reaching”
He will take HIS guy at #5 if he can’t trade down.
I think McClain could be that guy, more likely than anyone else I see right now
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by stagdsp on Jan 28, 2010 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you said it is their biggest need…have you ever watched them play?? it honestly might be one of their stronger positions, especially at CB!
Pioli drafts according to need. you SAID their biggest need was the defensive backfield. those were your words. it is one of their strengths. that is like saying that detroit lions could use a second receiver…yes they could but they could use a lot of other things first.
I don’t think it is ridiculously high for McClain. Pioli reaches for need which isn’t a horrible idea. jackson was a bit of a reach, but McClain is projected going between 7 and 10 in just about every mock draft. taking him at 5 then is not out of the question.
Except that it isn't a position of need.
As I’d said previously, the Chiefs Defense needs help in the middle, not on the edges. On the defensive side of the ball, their needs are NT, LB, and S.
There is no way that they take a Corner with their #5 pick when they don’t need one and there are such glaring needs other places.
I would say their need at safety is overshadowed by NT, LB (inside and out) and LT.
I would say that their biggest need might be ILB. their ILBs shouldn’t really start on any team. they also can’t get pressure on the QB and are one injury away (tamba hali) from having absolutely no pass rush. you cannot rely on just one guy in this league for a pass rush. I would say NT is next, then LT. safety is a decent need but their FS is adequate enough for now and mike brown has a couple yrs left…
but I do agree, taking a CB would be dumb.
i agree merlin
i think just about any position on KC’s roster could use an upgrade before CB. As stag said below, i believe also that McClain is our guy. Our defense was susceptible to passes right up the gut this season. Mays was decent against the run but was abused when he was asked to drop into coverage. We need a ‘captain’ on defense, and we dont have one. McClain fits the bill, and Pioli showed a few years ago (Mayo) that he’s willing to take an ILB high in the draft.
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by Chris Sembower on Jan 28, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I would say CB is one of their strongest positions.
I think McClain could end up being better than Mayo too. I see a lot of ray lewis in him.
question for KC fans
What happened to Derrick Johnson? Do you think he gets traded this offseason?
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I’m Not a KC fan but I don’t know if that will happen. It looks like it could be possible. He did play pretty well in the 4-3 but he disappeared this year with the addition of the 3-4. He just doesn’t seem to fit the scheme. maybe it will take some getting used to, but he is looking like he could be a bust (although he had some great seasons). the problem is with trading him is market value. you would be lucky to get a 3rd rounder for him now. before the 2009 season, you could easily trade him for a second rounder IMO.
I would say they should see if he can adjust to the scheme. if not, then trade him, but his market value is going to continue to drop until he really starts producing.
I think he is a good player and it wouldn’t be a bad Idea to trade him. I do agree with the point that you made that he doesn’t seem to fit pioli’s scheme/vision.
yes, I am not an expert on the chiefs so I cannot assess his market value that well, but I doubt it would be for much more than mid-third round. no way is it a first, but it might be a second…
His value might be high this year and I wasn’t sure exactly where it was.
WE ARE NOT DRAFTING AN ILB HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus Christ. How many times do I have to say that.
Jason Williams and Stephen Hodge will get their chance, but especially Jason Williams.
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Yep...
Charles Brown would likely be the pick for the Cowboys in this scenario.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jan 28, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
you honestly see Charles Brown?
He’s good. He doesn’t fit the Cowboys OL motto of larger then large fat.
He’s not even 300lbs….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 28, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well in this scenario he is the best OT left and Iupati, the best guard is gone.
And yes, he isn’t a “traditional” Cowboys pick, but he is a very good pass blocking OT, and I think he has the frame to add some weight to become more of an anchor. Plus, he has a great burst off the snap and I think the Cowboys could certainly use that since even with our large line, we couldn’t get off the ball well in goal-line situations.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jan 28, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
WHy?
Would Dallas draft a ZBS OT? Charles Brown has about as much chance to be a Cowboy as I do.
wilson is rising
and there arent too many good corners in this draft, so teams could very well reach if they need CBs
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maybe. I would not say he is a first round talent though. most mocks I have seen have him at the late second round at best. teams will also be more willing to pass on him than ppl mocking, because of going to boise state. I am not saying he is good (i personally think he could be great) but I doubt he will be drafted this high…but its still early.
So it hurts Kyle Wilson going to Boise St. but Dominique Rogers Cromartie going to Tennessee St. is cool? I don’t think you get dropped because of your school, maybe initially but in settings like this where he is going up against good talent and playing very well then you can throw the Boise thing out.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 29, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson won't go past 29
I think if he makes it that far the Jets scoop him. I have a feeling that Robinson and Wilson both end up being better then Haden, who I also think will be good.
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The Golden Tate pick was my other thought. My problem though was that
we really need O-line help and I am not sure it is something we should put off to a later round.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jan 28, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
No way the Cowboys take Bowman
Golden Tate
Maurkice Pouncey
Jared Odrick
Kyle Wilson
are all better choices
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by APerfectStar on Jan 28, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
He’s getting good reviews as 3-4 DE, I read that the Jets like him.
•Another prospect for fans to watch is Penn State DL Jared Odrick (6-5, 301). He really flashed on Tuesday and needs to become more consistent, but he’s a perfect fit as a 3-4 DE.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 29, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
I think this got worse
The Chiefs have Flowers at CB – this is the last position they need on defense.
Why would Cleveland not pay Cribbs more, then draft Spiller in a slot where he will make more money than Cribbs?
“Jacksonville missed with Derrick Harvey and Quenton Groves but they still need a pass rush and will hope Pierre-Paul could provide this”. If they have busted twice, can they afford to “hope” with the #11 pick?
I disagree with Miami, but like the rest of the picks in the teens.
Cincinnati likes their guards. Pro Football Focus has them rated as one of the top three tandems in the league. They are grooming Smith for RT, it’s a little early to give up on him.
I have not seen anyone else projecting Griffen as an OLB. Most sites seem to think of him as possibly a left end only.
I agree with most of the above comments. Especially regarding Cribbs.
I can’t understand why people would want to discard a proven NFL game changer for a higher paid prospect. That does not make sense.
I don’t agree with the Jacksonville comment. The Jaguars absolutely need to upgrade their pass rush. The performance of the previous draft picks is not relevant, besides offering a lesson in what not to draft. This is too important a facet of the game to be ignored. Unless the Jags think that Groves and Harvey will suddenly raise their play in 2010, they need to draft someone to apply some outside pressure. In my opinion.
jacksonville
Oh, I certainly agree the Jags need a pass rusher. I gave them Morgan in my mock. I was focusing on the “hope” comment. I don’t think they can afford to reach, at least not if the GM wants to keep his job. They need to pick someone more reliable and proven. Maybe Graham.
a good idea
Especially since they do not have a 2nd rounder. They can look at Graham, Hardy, Hughes, Griffen, even JPP later in the 1st round.
But people get all excited over these upside players. The big one at tackle was Capers. Watched him last night get bull-rushed by Selvie, JPP’s smaller 247-lb teammate. It was bad. I think Selvie had to slow down to avoid falling on top of him.
JPP and Dunlap to some degree have similar physical attributes and issues as Michael Johnson last year, who went in the 3rd round and did not see the field much in actual games.
our GM is going to keep his job regardless
We like him and I can tell you he has a high approval rating especially after last year’s draft.
I’m fine with DE’s. But we sinking suspicion says that our GM will not select a DE but whoever is the most BAP.
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I could see Griffen at OLB. He came out of a 2 point stance and dropped in coverage a lot more tha most college DE’s.
Sites that have him as a LE only are the kind of places that go: ZOMG 270+ = LE ONRY!
by microwave donut on Jan 28, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. the chiefs main problem was stopping the run (and also bad was protecting the QB and getting to the QB). I was looking and they were in a bad rushing division. the best team was Denver at 17th in the league (besides KC who was 11th). they faced a lot of good passing teams and a lot of bad rushing teams. by that logic they should be worse against the pass than against the run (if both squads are even). their passing D was 22nd which isn’t great but they played good passing teams. they also had a lot of bad running teams in their division. they are the WORST rushing D in the leauge. TB is slightly worst statistically but they also faced Carolina (3rd in rushing) twice, Saints (6th) twice, and Atlanta (15th) twice…
Dallas drafted 2 ILbs last year
This is not a need for Dallas. as much as I was hoping to have Iupati fall to us at 27, the next spot we would draft would probably be a WR or maybe Cody at NT. I only say those because of the no trades mock style. I really feel Jerry would try and trade up for Iupati or out if he is gone. If I had to pick a player it would be Golden Tate from Notre Dame or Binns from Illinois.
Might as well say it now so it can be quoted back at me when proven wrong:
Raiders are NOT taking a DE in Round 1 and probably not Round 2 as well.
Their starters are Richard Seymour and Greg Ellis. Behind Ellis is Matt Shaughnessy who absolutely blew me away with how effective he was. Behind Seymour is Jay Richardson, who is a perfectly servicable backup, decent but not great as both a pass rusher and run stopper.
I won’t entirely rule out a DE in rounds 3-5, but no way, NO WAY does Davis go DE in the first round.
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Even if...
They were going to take a DE at their pick, wouldn’t they go with Dunlap? He has a DUI, Morgan doesn’t. Lol
LOL…………How can you say
NO WAY does Davis go DE in the first round
It’s Al freaking Davis. If it was any other team in the league I would agree with you but it’s not…it’s Al Davis we can’t count out CJ Spiller or Trindon Holliday……..yet.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 29, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
One of the best quotes I ever heard about Davis' drafting came from another Raider fan
“Davis drafts for need….it’s just that he drafts the wrong players to fill those needs”
Look at the last three 1st round positions: WR, RB, QB. All were needs at the time.
Davis can evaluate the holes in his team, it’s just that he’s a crappy personnel evaluator. He’s lucid enough to know he doesn’t need a 1st round defensive end.
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o tackle or a left tackle
why waste a pick on a d end , fill your needs. draft a o- tackle also trade fargas to seattle for a pick and pick up another rback.
by sports with steve on Jan 29, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Don't get stuck on McClain to the Broncos
It’s probably not going to happen, namely because he is too talented to fall that far. Tebow to the Broncos I like right now.
i think they would take McCoy over tebow
McDaniels…he likes the pocket passer type
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No way browns go for a RB there….defense is in need of a playmaker, they are not in the position for “best available.”
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Iupati going
- to the Giants is not out of the question. His whole attitude seems like something they need on offense.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 28, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
How could Everson Griffen play LB at 280 lbs?
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 28, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions
yea he is full of him self (witch can be good and bad)
witch i thing might make him fall a tad hoping lions get him in 3rd he just might be gone befor then.. + he has my name so that a few points right there
you just gave me a head ache
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by TexasHoosier on Jan 28, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
how is he full of himself?
If you’re referring to the van it’s his familes that used to travel to every game he played. He is originally from New Jersey so they used that to travel to Boise and his away games.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 29, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
The Vikes need a CB, do you think his stock is this high?
I don’t know enough about Wilson cana nyone fill me in?
I know mocks are hard
But there are some holes here, in my opinion. I can only venture educated guesses for 31 teams, but as for the Texans I can almost assure you that we won’t draft an offensive tackle for depth in the first round. Duane Brown was arguably our most improved player last year, and Eric Winston is one of the top 5-10 RT’s in the league. There are many possibilities at 19/20, but I seriously doubt that OT is one of them.
You know... for kids.
I was going to say the same thing...
But add that if this mocker has Iupati going 21, he might as well have him going 20 to the Texans. With Dan Williams, Earl Thomas, and Patrick Robinson all off the board the Texans’ biggest fillable need at the 20th pick is OG. I could see the Texans taking Sergio Kindle there also, but Id be surprised if we took anyone else listed after #20 on that mock.
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by TexasHoosier on Jan 28, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Only way Baluga makes sense
Is if the coaches actually decide to move Brown inside, which probably isn’t going to happen.
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Having a safety tandem of Berry and Delmas is a luxury this poor Lions team just can’t haveHow is improving the worst secondary in the league a luxury?
out of Detroits 7 leading tacklers, 3 were cornerbacks. usually it isn’t good for a CB to get a ton of tackles b/c it means that they are being passed on a lot. if you play the run well like rhonde barber, it is a good thing though. sadly, all the lions’ CBs are cover corners that just completely stink. they get no pressure on the QB (29th in sacks).
I would say that getting a corner in the draft in the first 2 rounds would be a significant upgrade at the position and make much more of an impact than a safety. delmas is a budding star and it would be great to have 2 stars back there, but they do not make up for the worst CBs in the league. these are the types of corners that bite on every pump fake and are constantly out of position. their FS position is average but there is no way you need to address.
this is the order of need for position on the lions IMO. CB (none worth that pick) DT, LT, DE, 2nd WR, LB (In or out), FS, Interior Lineman…
See, free safety is far down on the list of needs…
ya we need CBs
but there isn’t anyone thats worth the 2nd pick. I don’t think McCoy fits the scheme the Lions run, which is why I don’t think they will select him @ 2. Berry is no luxury pick….as bad as our CBs have been, our FS has been just as bad…I mean we had some guy who was on the streets start for majority of the season. Besides, the lions FO usually takes the BPA that fills a need, and in this case it could very well be Berry.
IMO, if they can…they should trade down and pick up early round picks (ie 2nd, 3rd rounders). We should be taking a corner in the first four rounds, thats for sure…I think it will most likely come in the 3rd
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I agree. there are too many holes on the lions though. I do think that compared to other positions, their free safety was at least adequate. also, a great safety does not make the impact a shutdown corner does…
My point also was that an elite corner in the draft would be more of an upgrade than berry at FS from what I can see. the lions have so many holes. After the CBs are fixed, a LT is needed, and a whole new D-Line. that D-Line is horrible. It can’t stop the run or put pressure on the QB. the pressure on the QB does not help the passing game when your corners are anthony henry and phillip buchannon. the CBs on your team are literally NFL rejects.
I do think that if you have the opportunity, take Suh. if he is not there, I think the lions should trade down b/c there is no player worth that pick that is also of need. I would not honestly take berry there if I were running the Lions. I would probably flirt with an LT like Okung and then try to trade with Seattle. there, the lions can take Haden and the seahawks can take okung to be a successor to Walter Jones (who probably only has about a year or 2 in the league left IMO.
Not an LT
Okung isn’t worth the pick. Here is the thing with our line:
Almost ever game, the Lions play from behind, so that means the Lions have to pass the ball, which means that the other team can get aggressive and blitz on us all they want. WIth a good defense, that will change. Plus, backus is a decent tackle…in fact he was ranked as the 12th best tackle. We need guards more than tackles…I hope Iupati is there in the 2nd round
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I agree an LT is not needed. yes the guards are bad but there is never a guard worth the 2nd overall pick. I think more teams think you need an LT and I have seen some mocks with the lions taking an LT. I was more talking the lions try to trade down is suh isn’t there. thankfully for you guys, I have confidence that suh will drop to number 2 for several reasons.
1. The rams had horrible QB play. granted their D-Line wasn’t great but their last 2 first rounders were on the line. that is like when the lions kept drafting receivers (i know, bad memories for you).
2. The rams really need a face of that franchise. there were rumors that the owners were selling and they need a QB to be the face of the franchise (like ryan or stafford).
3. QBs are drafted #1, or in the top 3-5: Since 1998 (12 drafts) only one year, in 2000 were there no QBs in the top 5. In those 12 years, there were 16 QBs drafted in the top 5. During that span, there were only 3 DTs drafted in the top 5. Also during that span, 9 of the 12 number one picks were QBs.
4. Teams seem to want to draft that “face of the franchise”. for the price of the salary for that pick, it seems teams would much rather have a QB b/c of the positional value. In fact, you have to go back about 16 years, to 1994, to find the last DT who was drafted number 1 (and was also a bust).
I would crap my pants if St Louis takes Suh. people keep projecting it and it looks good, but when you go into draft day, with that number one pick, you usually end up with a face of the franchise. there was talk in ‘07 that the raiders would take Calvin Johnson. on draft day they decided to go with the QB. in ’04 Gallery was everyone’s favorite pick but the #1 ended up being a QB for the face of the franchise.
the lions will get suh and be happy. they will also probably pick up a CB in the second (or possibly a guard). if they pick up a CB then, then I see them going OG in the 3rd.
i know wat u mean
I think it all depends on how well Claussen does in the combine and pro days. We already know that Suh can play….it all depends that if Cluassen can prove if hes the no 1 pick worthy
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I do somewhat agree. I doubt though that it won’t be a QB going number 1 just looking at it. D-Line is important but it isn’t where you build a team. the last 2 drafts, the rams have drafted Long and Carriker. Carriker has had some injury problems but was good when he was on the field.
There main problem along the line is health. if everyone is healthy that is a decent interior defensive line. It is definitely better than their D-Backfield where they have no guys who really should be starting. they can’t pass and they can’t stop the pass. their receivers are average but are young. that isn’t as big of a need as someone who can get the receivers the ball.
Their receivers I think are good. avery caught 50% of targets. while that isn’t great, when you consider he got throws from boller and keith null that is pretty darn good. with a halfway decent QB. amendola is really nice and is like a younger wes welker. Their biggest need is QB and everything on D except the line and MLB.
this is the order of need I see them at.
1. QB
2. CB (both of them. bartell is a nickel but a good nickel)
3. OLB (sam and mike. no playmakers in the LB corps except laurinitis)
4.G (both guards are avg starters at best. no good depth)
5. DT (finally DT. good players but injury bug at this position. depth. youth)
6. DE (good players but james hall and little are aging)
7. #1 WR (eventually is needed. I like avery but should be #2. amendola is welker slot type)
granted, DT does make it on the list, but I can think of 7-8 Starting positions that should be upgraded before DT.
plus, like I said, DTs rarely go top 3 or even #1. a team that is number 1, most often these days takes a QB. only 3 times since ’98 has the #1 pick not been a QB, and one of those drafts was probably the worst QB draft in the last 15 yrs.
+100 I think it is finally starting to sink into people that the Lions need a Guard, not an LT.
Thanks nestDC. It is nice to know that some other fans are listening.
the Lions need a lot
Last year, they went BPA and filled needs that many would say are of lesser importance on teams. I think most people are happy with Pettigrew and Delmas. Both looked impressive to me. They should do the same again.
same wit hte Chiefs, btw
Their OL need is C/G…NOT LT
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by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2010 9:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
at the same time, that is something you get in later rounds and not in the top 5 picks.
IMO there are very few players that I think the lions should get at that pick. to me it is suh really. McCoy I don’t think is worth the pick. you could also trade down and get haden or morgan.
Trade down with who?
It is highly unlikely that we could trade down out of #2 without giving it away. I wish people would just stop saying that.
well....
if Gerald McCoy is being hyped as much as he is, then there should be a bunch of teams looking to trade for him. Plus, if STL takes Suh, then there is claussen on the board, so there should be teams looking to move up
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yes. carroll might see the redskins and think clausen will be gone. he trades up and tries to take clausen. I don’t think McCoy is worth that pick Honestly. when it comes to draft day, DTs are not often drafted in the top 5 (see my comment above). also, (see my comment above) I doubt that suh gets taken number one. I am pretty confident it will be clausen.
like i said
McCoy is “hyped”….and hype works pretty well in the draft
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yes. maybe. I just don’t see 2 DTs being drafted in the top 5. this is probably one of the best DT classes in history but still. The highest value positions are QB, LT, WR, DE, RB, and occasionally LB. these 5-6 positions make the biggest impact on the game. because of this, they are much more likely to be drafted in the top 5. DTs, even elite ones, don’t have the impact that these other positions do. when you draft that high, you want impact. DT, as far as impact, ranks up there with interior lineman. some but not much. CB and sometimes safeties make more of an impact.
Pete Carroll may want to take a chance on Jimmy Clausen but it seems unlikely. Carroll didn’t come back to the NFL to struggle with a rookie quarterback.
What’s funny about this is that you give them Sam Bradford with their next pick.
It also is dumb to act like Clausen having a toe injury is a big deal. I mean, first of all; its a toe. Second, he played with that injury most of the year, so that just means he’ll be even better when his toe is healthy. It also seems tough
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 28, 2010 10:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Many people are trying to equate Bradford’s injuries to Clausen’s injury. Let’s compare shall we?
Bradford; injured his throwing shoulder twice. The second time it ended his season and needed surgery to repair. He played one full game in 2009 and has not thrown a football since October 17.
Clausen; injured his toe. Played all season with this injury. Put up spectacular numbers and opted for corrective surgery in the off season.
Please, stop trying to equate the two.
injuries
I am not saying that the injuries will impact how they play, I am saying that workouts are important and due to their injuries they wont be able to workout and raise their stocks. There are questions about both these quarterbacks and being unable to workout for interested teams will have an affect on their status. And both of there reps would be crazy to allow them to work out w/ injuries b/c that might do more harm than good.
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- The Chiefs main need is on the defensive side of the ball and the secondary is arguably the weakest position.
very arguably. I am guessing you did not watch them much. their pass defense wasn’t great but when you compare it to their run defense, it was all pro. they couldn’t stop anybody running the ball. look at that division they are in too. SD was 31st in rushing, Oakland was 21st and Denver was 18th. with those 3 below average teams that constitute over 1/3 of their games, they were still horrible.
I will say with certainty that they were the worst rushing team in the league. yes the bucs were slightly worse but they faced Michael turner twice (atl was 15th total rushing) the saints were good (6th at running) and Deangelo williams & the panthers(3rd in total rushing). the competition rushing the ball the bucs faced was much better (4 games in the division against top 6 rushing teams). KC also played in a passing division (SD and denver) and still weren’t horrible. brandon flowers is a budding star, they have mike brown back there who will be good for another couple years, and brandon carr isn’t horrible.
who do they have to rush the passer? who do they have to protect the QB? who do they have to stop the run in the middle at ILB? no one of significance. their O-Line is a turnstile, Vrabel is no longer a pass rusher and hali should not be the best pass rusher on a team, and the ILBs Demorrio wiliams??
when you look at that team, their defensive backfield is one of their strengths (along with QB, RB and D-Line).
20 is perfect for Lupati
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thats probably one of the few picks that make sense in this mock
btw…its Iupati…not Lupati…why does everyone make that mistake?
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Because the uppercase I looks like a lowercase L.
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I agree…ish. I saw one that was ridiculous before. It was all over the place. tim tebow in the first, the broncos drafting McClain…the guy was just throwing shit on a wall and hoping it would stick.
And the same goes for you. If this mock is such a joke to you, make one better.
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I do have one
it needs some rethinking, but it definately it will be better
look for v2.0 at the end of february
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haha well of course your mock at the end of Feb will be different than the one i just posted.
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well...
I just posted a mock last week, so ya i’m gonna hold back until there is substantially more info out there
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I checked it out…Not bad. I just still do not see suh going #1. DTs just don’t go #1…sapp went 12th.
Sapp also fell to #12 because of a rumored failed drug test.
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by tj.hendricks on Jan 29, 2010 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
yes. that could happen with these guys too.
My point is more that it is rare for 1 DT to be in the top 5. out of “real” positions (positions drafted high…not K, P, or FB) DT gets drafted in the top 5 near the bottom of the list these days.
1. QBs
2. LTs
3. DEs
4. WR
5(tie). RB and LB (In or out)
7., DT
8. CB
9. S
10. RT (not like jake long. a guy projected as a RT and not at all a LT)
11. G
12. C
this is not a completely accurate list I will admit. this is just from looking at previous drafts and noticing trends. If i actually crunched the numbers since 1998, it would probably be pretty similar. the point is that DT is not much of a value position and it is highly unlikely for one to be drafted #1 and even more unlikely for 2 to be in the top 5.
this is a great DT draft but 9 out of the last 12 years a QB has been taken number 1. those other 3 years, 1 was an LT, and 2 were DEs (and one yr, 2000, where a DE was taken was arguably the worst QB draft by far in the last 15 years).
a DT has not been drafted #1 in 16 years, and that draft I would say is one of the worst QB drafts since the early 80s or even earlier.
the point is. DTs just don’t go at that pick, especially in the last 10 or so years. there has been a trend in the NFL for QBs at the #1 pick, especially since there has been a trend for more salary. teams want to give that salary to a position that makes the most impact. QB makes the most imact on a team so they got a lot more frequently in the top 5 (17 QBs in the past 12 yrs) and #1. DTs are not as high of a value (5 top 5 DTs since ’98)
Make a better one in a fanpost. It’ll be so great, I’ll pull it onto the main part of the site for all to admire.
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I'm confused
Pete Carroll may want to take a chance on Jimmy Clausen but it seems unlikely. Carroll didn’t come back to the NFL to struggle with a rookie quarterback
Fair point I guess.
If Carroll wants to have long term success in his second go round in the NFL, he needs to draft a quarterback for the future. Bradford can learn behind Hasselbeck and take over the team once he moves on
And you lost me. Is it simply because a QB at #14 is better value? Or is it that Bradford won’t struggle while Clausen will?
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I guess its all in the way i do my mocks… i bascially start from scratch each time. I think Carroll will try to win now and to do so he needs to upgrade his offensive line. However then at pick #14 he wont be able to pass up someone like Bradford. Again I doubt Bradford makes it to #14 b/c someone will prob trade up to get him if he starts to slip.
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new coaches love high drafted rookie qb's
It give’s them an excuse for a couple of years if they’re doing poorly
well...
I would expect Claussen to struggle a less than Bradford, cause he has played/prepped in a pro-style offense
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seahawks
Carroll has to win enough to keep his job, but realize the team is in a rebuilding mode. Jones is done and Hasselbeck and Kerney not far behind.
soooo, in this mock it works to his advantage…. he gets oline help and a future quarterback, so he could win now w/ hasselbeck and then make a transition to Bradford in 1 or 2 years after he has learned behind hasselbeck.
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oh thats what u meant
lol…I thought you meant he can win with Bradcord at QB
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Both of them are done.
Brian Russell would bite on play-action despite the QB being in an empty backfield.
by SSreporters on Jan 29, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure how
But I have a feeling if the Chargers don’t want Jahvid Best or Jonathan Dwyer, they’ll trade up to get Spiller. I’m not sure they keep LT or Sproles so drafting Spiller is a start.
Brian Russell would bite on play-action despite the QB being in an empty backfield.
San Diego
Don’t know why I never thought of that. Sproles is an expensive player who they did not use as often as they could have. Maybe Spiller replaces both. But it could be expensive to go get him. He would have to start falling a la Brady Quinn.
Brian Russell has nothing on Michael Johnson (S, NYG). He left his two-deep position to double-cover a third-string TE.
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I’m hoping we don’t pick up Price. He looks to be a great player, but we need a DT who can eat up blockers to free up Tuck and Osi. We don’t need three players all struggling to get off blocks. I’m really hoping Dan Williams slips to the second and we grab him there. I’m also in the camp that wouldn’t be surprised to see us grab Iupati. This draft seems pretty stacked in DTs so at worst we can grab a decent one later on. I’m actually kind of hoping that we trade down and try to get some second round steals.
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