The Andrew Luck Bowl no more

by Dan Kadar on Dec 10, 2010 1:53 PM EST in 2011 NFL Draft

Early in the season, Sunday's Browns/Bills game was tabbed the Andrew Luck Bowl.

But with Buffalo currently holding the fourth pick in the 2011 NFL Draft and Cleveland the 13th pick, that is unlikely.

It's not necessarily their draft position that eliminates either team from taking the talented Stanford quarterback. Instead, it's been surprising quarterback play.

For the Browns, third-round pick Colt McCoy showed he has the accuracy and leadership ability to be the Browns' future starter. Only a high ankle sprain has kept him out the past two games and will likely do so again this week.

But McCoy has shown he can not only manage games, but win them for the run-first Browns.

For the Bills, Ryan Fitzpatrick may be doing enough to warrant another season as the starting quarterback. Against the Bengals, he brought the team back from a 21-point deficit. Even before that game, Bills general manager Buddy Nix said Fitzpatrick isn't the problem in Buffalo.

Whether fans agree or not, if the front office believes it, Luck may not be the choice for Buffalo in April. The same can be said for Cleveland.

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I don't think Buffalo would pass up an elite QB prospect

if the opportunity presented itself. They do seem to like Fitzpatrick, but I doubt they’re planning to build around him.

by WearShades on Dec 10, 2010 2:03 PM EST reply actions

Fitz is fool's gold

Most of his production has come late in games against soft defenses.

But Carolina is going to get Luck. They don’t have a QB on that team.

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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 10, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions

Need to give the guy more cred then that . you do understand he plays for the Bills ?

20 TDs in 10 games on a 2 win team is nothing to sneeze at.

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by Troy O on Dec 10, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

As a Bills fan who watched every game.

20 TDs in 10 games on a 2 win team is nothing to sneeze at.

He padded his statistics in garbage time when the game isn’t on the line. Most of those 10 picks came with a close score, while a bunch of TDs came when the game is out of reach, or we are way behind and there is nothing to lose by slinging it.

That’s why we have 2 wins but Fitz has good stats, he is not the answer at QB.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 11, 2010 2:05 AM EST up reply actions

Fitz is fool’s gold

You sure have that right.

I think my new nickname for Fitzpatrick is Pyrite.

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by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 11, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions

i respect your opinion as a bills fan but something tells me not many QBs would look much better.

he s not exactly working with future HOF’s . but good luck in the Luck sweepstakes.

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by Troy O on Dec 11, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions

word

if they do, it will probably be similar to what the Giants gave up to get Eli Manning, 2 1st rounders and a 3rd.

by keebler elf on Dec 11, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions

Go Buffalo!

Being a Panther’s fan I’ve also become a huge Bills fan. I hope they win this game, so we can give ourselves more of a cushion. Now if only Cincy and Detroit would win some games.

by keebler elf on Dec 10, 2010 5:23 PM EST reply actions

CAR is a lock for the #1

Hopefully Luck will provide your team the same kind of success Bradford has St.Louis.

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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 11, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions

I like Fitzpatrick

But I’m not sold on McCoy. I saw him throw a pass against the Jaguars. It was about a 40 yard throw when it needed to go about 55. If Rashean Mathis didn’t all of a sudden suck he would have picked it off easily

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by Bestjagfan on Dec 10, 2010 7:42 PM EST reply actions

Yeah, I'm not sold either

Granted, I haven’t watched much of the Browns this season. But I live in Ohio and I think that team’s fans are just amazed at average QB play. Their QBs have been SO BAD for SO LONG that an average QB steps in the pocket and they are amazed by what average looks like.

Colt is better than Brady Quinn and Derrick Anderson for sure. But is his ceiling in the NFL high enough to build a team around? I don’t think so.

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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 11, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions

Carolina vs Arizona will be the Andrew Luck bowl.

That is, if he declares for the draft at all.

by hadrarius on Dec 10, 2010 10:26 PM EST reply actions

Arizona already has 3 wins

Its very doubtful that Carolina gets 2 more wins this year. But, yeah, Arizona is awful.

by keebler elf on Dec 11, 2010 3:48 AM EST up reply actions

Maybe not but Arizona could easily end up drafting 2nd.

There’s no guarantee Carolina will take Luck. They did just draft Clausen. Arizona drafted a QB in the fifth round, John Skelton, who was passed over for an undrafted rookie free agent as Derek Anderson’s back up. The Cardinals won’t hesitate to pull the trigger. Carolina has three options, draft Luck, pass him over, or trade down.

by hadrarius on Dec 12, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions

I’d say Carolina only has two options: draft Luck or trade the pick. Any other scenario is highly unlikely if Luck declares. Have you seen Jimmy Clausen play lately? He has 1 TD vs. 7 INTs and hasn’t thrown a TD in his last 193 passes. Trust me, the Panthers won’t pass on Luck.

by keebler elf on Dec 13, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions

i thought the panthers drafted a qb last draft

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by chaucer on Dec 12, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions

yeah they did

read the my comments below

by keebler elf on Dec 12, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions

i hope that the panthers are dissuaded to take a qb, given that they have a small investment in one already, and, that somehow, andrew luck falls on the bills’ laps.

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by chaucer on Dec 13, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions

I really doubt that will happen

If the Panthers don’t draft Luck, they will most likely field trade offers for him. Some team is going to offer a trade to Carolina to get him. It could very well be the Bills, but I don’t think you can count on him falling into the Bill’s lap.

by keebler elf on Dec 13, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions

Fitzpatrick can be the bridge QB but he’s not Andrew Luck. Too bad the Panthers will take him.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 11, 2010 8:44 AM EST reply actions

Cam Newton will be on the board when Buffalo is on the clock

Do you think the Bills should take him?

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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 11, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions

Here's my question - If Carolina takes Luck, who takes Clausen?

Does Buffalo and Arizona passing on him twice last year mean they were not interested, or that they were not interested in a QB? Minnesota and SF passed on him only once, and SF went the lets-collect-a-couple-backups-with-potential route. Cincy was probably not thinking QB.

My thinking is if they pick Luck, they try to get a 2nd or 3rd back for Clausen. But since Clausen fell, maybe nobody likes him, and Carolina eats the pick.

by ct17 on Dec 11, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions

Clausen's has essentially no trade value

People saw what he did playing for the Panthers this year and it was absolutely brutal. I don’t think there are many NFL teams that would even want him on the 53 much less actually trade for him.

He just joins the very long long list of yet another college QB that busts in the NFL

Especially with this year’s hot crop of QBs in Luck, Cam, Locker, and Mallett, the NFL has to be ready to turn the page on Clausen.

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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 12, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions

If Carolina takes Luck...

I think the Panthers will keep Clausen for next year even if they picked Luck. Remember that Clausen’s contract isn’t too steep, so they can afford to have them both on their roster. Having Clausen compete with Luck for the starting QB job will be good for the both of them. I don’t think Carolina is completely giving up on Clausen, especially considering the horrible team that they’ve surrounded him with. I think it’s a bit much to say that he’s a bust yet and that most NFL teams wouldn’t want him on their 53 man roster. Remember he’s a rookie, and most rookies don’t have good years like Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford.

I think Carolina keeps Clausen and tries to build up his trade value, kind of like what Philly did with Kolb.

by keebler elf on Dec 12, 2010 4:37 AM EST up reply actions

I agree Clausen is not a bust

A rookie QB playing with his best WR and two best RBs hurt, along with a starting tackle, can hardly be expected to be impressive. And Carolina fans, whether pro- or anti-luck, are not saying anything bad about Clausen.

by ct17 on Dec 12, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I’m not saying that he couldn’t be a bust, but it’s too early to determine if he is or not. Also, Steve Smith isn’t hurt. He only missed one game. And Stewart is back.

by keebler elf on Dec 12, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions

Clausen's Passer rating is 55.3

55.3!

That is the lowest passer rating in the NFL among starting QBs according to NFL.com. In fact, it is so bad that the next-highest passer rating is Derek Anderson at 65.9 – a full 10 points higher.

Clausen has had a disaster of a year and it is difficult to imagine him on an NFL roster 2 years from now.

He has no trade value.

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by Blue Eyed Devil on Dec 12, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions

A rookie QB on the potentially worst team in the NFL

With missing/injured pieces at various times. Should and will get more time to prove himself.

Stafford’s rating last year was a 61. He had that rating throwing to 6-5 Calvin Johnson. In a dome. Should the Lions cut him? Does he have no trade value?

Vick started with a 62.7 Peyton a 71. Eli a 55.4! McNabb a 60. Freeman a 60 last year. Sanchez had a 63 last year. All of these guys not only did not lose their job, they were given the starter job the next year.

QBs get time to develop.

by ct17 on Dec 12, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions

I agree, he’s been awful this year, but I highly doubt the Panthers give up on him yet and just drop him or give him away for next to nothing. Don’t get me wrong, the Panthers will draft Andrew Luck if they can, but there is no point in getting rid of Clausen right away either, given that he doesn’t have any trade value. They will see what he has with a good team surrounding him before they show him the door.

I imagine him as a career backup-type of QB.

by keebler elf on Dec 13, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions

so throw him away after one

Go look at Eli’s stats his rookie season. They are just as bad but you don’t give up on a guy so quickly.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Dec 13, 2010 11:06 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah but Eli was also the #1 overall pick

Clausen was the 48th pick in the draft. The Giants had a huge amount of money invested in Eli, Carolina doesn’t in Clausen. I’m not saying that Carolina gives up on Clausen, but I still think they should draft Luck so the two can compete for the starting job.

by keebler elf on Dec 13, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions

I’m not the guy to answer that question. I haven’t watched Newton play. I think the Bills will take a QB they love or really like in the first or second round. Of course I thought that last April, too.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions