The Chiefs and the 2011 NFL Draft
Joel Thorman of Arrowhead Pride and SB Nation has a nice overview of what positions the Chiefs may be looking in the 2011 NFL Draft.
He expounds on them, but he lists cornerback, wide receiver, nose tackle, running back, linebacker and offensive line in general.
The Chiefs are having an excellent season, but seem to especially need a young nose tackle early in the draft. However, that may not hold a first round value this year. Given that, and the number of excellent wide receiver prospects, that's the way I'd lean for Kansas City when I do another mock.Dwayne Bowe is having a very good year with 61 catches for 941 yards and 14 touchdowns. More importantly, he's dropping less passes. But Kansas City's success could depend on how consistent Bowe is this season and next, his last before becoming a free agent.
If the Chiefs used a first-round pick on a wide receiver, Michael Floyd (Notre Dame), Jonathan Baldwin (Pittsburgh) or Torrey Smith (Maryland) may be available.
The Chiefs may also have to consider someone in the deep crop of cornerbacks this year with starters Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr rapidly approaching free agency. Because Flowers and Carr have become one of the league's top corner duos, it allows the rest of Romeo Crennel's defense to get up field.
For the Chiefs, a cornerback with great developmental upside could be found in the fourth or fifth round. That's man cover cornerbacks like Jalil Brown (Colorado), Curtis Marsh (Utah State) or Chris L. Rucker (Michigan State) could land.
The Chiefs have their full stock of draft picks and a conditional selection received from New England for safety Jarrad Page. Considering that Page has missed six games for the Patriots, it's unlikely the pick would be any higher than a fifth-round selection.
Thorman also has a roundup of players from the greater Missouri area from my latest top 200.
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I have a slight issue with the whole top of the draft WR discussion
The Chiefs offense is just over 50% running plays with Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles. That leaves roughly half the offense to be sliced up between Dwayne Bowe, Dexter McCluster, Tony Moeaki, the other TE’s and the Fullbacks. How many touches per game is a new WR going to get and is it worth the 1st round pick with so many other talented WR’s scattered throughout this draft? Just My opinion :)
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Not only your opinion
but mine too! Time for us to beef it up……..The WR look like a deep bunch, so I hope we go front 7 or OL.
I have to do my home work on the SOLB’s and NT’s, but I think that would be a good start.
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 21, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
So what happens when Bowe cashes in after next season and the wide receiver class isn’t good?
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Fitz is a free agent in 2012 :)
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Myself I am more worried about our Running back by committee drying up.
But some O-lineman and/or D-lineman Front seven help seems like what the Chiefs should do in rounds one and two.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
One hallmark of Chiefs football
is they always field a formidable backfield. I think Haley believes in Battle and I fully trust Pioli to compliment Charles as he so excellently did with the Thomas Jones signing
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by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 21, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Also, it doesn't take long for most backs to make impacts
There are late-bloomers, like Thomas Jones and Priest Holmes, but most of the time a guy can come in and contribute right out of school. I don’t think there’s a reason to be in any hurry to take up a roster spot with TJ’s heir-apparent.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 21, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
What do we have now?
3 running backs. (not counting McCluster)
2 Fullbacks
3? Tightends
A stable of WR’s.
I guess when people say Best Player Available they only mean BPA that we need right now?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s always a best player available, but to an extent.
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I would love to add a Jerrel Jernigan or a Jacquizz Rodgers to the Chiefs playmaking group. I hope we at least grab one of those type players in the 2011 draft.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the Chiefs thread :)
Pioli is a very interesting person to watch Draft-wise
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Our new WR
will step in if needed. I just don’t want to grab Bowe’s hypothetical replacement in the first round……..
We need more beef first and foremost (Going up against some physical lines this year exposed us big time). We also need to put more pressure on the opposing QB.
I was mad as $#%@ when we drafted Dexter McCluster and now I'm ordering his jersey......oh the irony! Go Chiefs!
by Hail2DaChiefs on Dec 21, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
depends
Right now I suspect he could get a new deal. I think it’s pretty obvious that Haley likes him. Or at least he makes it seem like that. Then again, Bowe seems to have gone somewhat back to old Bowe of late. I have a hard time thinking that anyone else in the league could do better for Bowe than Haley so if in the end they don’t think he’s worth paying up for and they let him get away I’ll be fine with it. I think he’ll decline with that new team with a big new deal.
I love me some Shaun Smith!
I don't really like the first-round WRs for KC
Floyd doesn’t come off as a true #1 receiver, just like Bowe often doesn’t. Spending a first-rounder on a WR should mean that guy is a dominant type, like Fitzgerald, Calvin, or Andre. Granted, those guys were all top-three picks, but I don’t see anyone in this draft who provides that burning speed, consistency, physicality, sure-handedness, and route-running ability KC needs. The Chiefs already have a beastly, inconsistent receiver who is prone to disappear at times, which is why I’m not on board with trading up to 10-20 range for Michael Floyd, Julio Jones or A.J. Green. I suppose I could see Baldwin, Broyles, or possibly even Posey in that range, but I think it’s likely that KC would be better-served by waiting until the second round to see if one of those guys, Pettis, Hankerson, Torrey Smith, or Blackmon.
I really think the best complements to Bowe would be Broyles or Smith, if either were to make it to the second. Otherwise there are good options further along in the draft.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 21, 2010 3:53 PM EST reply actions
Word I agree theirs no big standout receiver this year. We’re gonna end up taking best player avalible in the first round anyways now that Pioli has KC as a better team so therres gonna be a better player avlible than any of those receivers
AJ Green Says a BIG Hello
He’s got all of the things that BOH is saying, he’s just gonna in the top 3 so there is no chance of getting him. Julio also shares many of those qualities but his inconsistent hands are the biggest reason why I don’t like him.
by ChiefWarPaint on Dec 21, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
He's actually missing some of those things, which is why I implied that I think he's missing them
He’s prone to the disappearing act, and his hands aren’t really that reliable. He’s also injury-prone and doesn’t have burner speed. He can get up and go, sure, but he’s a far cry from Calvin Johnson.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 21, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no standout receiver? Really? AJ Green, Julio Jones, Michael Floyd, Blackmon? They stand out too me.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 22, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not every first round receiver will be a probowler. You have unrealistic expectations.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 22, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Additionally
The Chiefs should receive a compensatory draft pick for the departed Wade Smith (Texans)
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by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 21, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions
We won’t i’m afraid. You only get compensatory picks if you lose more free agents than you sign. We signed Jones, Weigman, Lilja, Urban.
more complicated than that
I believe they differentiate whether the player was cut, or just signed when their contract was up.
Jones, Weigmann, Lilja were all cuts from other teams
Wade Smith was a FA that signed elsewhere.
By my count, KC should be in line for a pick for him
It's all about the gameplan
UFAs KC signed all count as gains, while only UFAs KC did not release count as losses, IIRC
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 21, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
"Oh"
I thought it was contingent upon playing time, my bad
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by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 21, 2010 4:07 PM EST reply actions
Whether a pick is awarded or not depends on whether or not the team suffered a net loss in free agents
In rare cases, a pick can be awarded to a team that signs as many as it lost, as with KC almost a decade ago, but again, that’s rare, and only happens if the quality of the losses (based on their contract values) are much higher than the quality of the signings. The round of an awarded compensatory pick is based on contract value.
In the case of KC in the free-agency period of 2010, I don’t think there was a net loss of free agents.
Also, released players do not count as FA losses.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 21, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Edit: playing time also counts
Here’s the legendary AdamJT’s explanation:
http://forums.kffl.com/threads/225685-Projecting-the-2008-Compensatory-Draft-Picks
Note: while I’ve been at KFFL for around a decade, I’m not monetarily involved, and am only posting the link for informational purposes.
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by burntorangehorn on Dec 21, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't understand this then.
Say Lija is cut by the Colts, they get no compensatory picks with his loss cause the cut him.
But the Chiefs signed him and that counts toward UFA signings for the Chiefs?
I was hoping it was basically Wade Smith vs Urban and we know that Urban didn’t get 3 MIllion per season and started every game. I read that posting that we should be in line for a 6th round pick.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'd have to say I am on the fence for a 1st round Wide Receiver.
Would like to see us get a Julio Jones. But wouldnt be upset if we went with Beef on either side of the ball. Trust in Pioli!
Off season - Trade ARIZONA enough to get Fitzgerald (thanks Eyepod for free agent status)w/o destroying our draft (thanks Texas Chief)
Pick 1 - Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State (Team Captain)Projected to go around 24th.
Pick 2 - Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi (Team Captain)
Pick 3 - Demarcus Love OT - Arkansas (Team Captain)
Pick 4 - Edmund Gates WR - Abilene Christian (Team Captain)
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Yeah. I'd be pretty surprised if Julio Jones is available when we pick.
Then again, things happen. Look how far Dez Bryant fell last year.
It would really be hard to bet upset with Pioli just grabbing the best player available though.
Pioli has selected 5 Notre Dame players in the draft
most of any team
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
My bad
He has selected One Alabama player
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Linebacker
The Chiefs are extremely old at the position and another OLB to compliment Tamba Hali as a pass rusher would make the defense less predictable. The Chiefs pass rush has gotten better but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if KC focuses on the front seven with their first pick.
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Totally agree..OLB
Akeen Ayers or Von MIller..both pass rushers, can cover out of backfield, and captains of their defenses.
Trying to understand Pioli's draft board is enough to drive a man nuts.
For me, it’s a twofold task. Task (1) Offensively, to throw deep we need O-lineman who can pass block WR’s who can get to the ball and catch it. Speedy play makers break games open. Look at Maclin and Jackson up in Philly. Philly also has line problems, but big play guys with speed can make it happen any time if utilized properly. Task (2) is Defensively deciding the best way to improve, a NT or LB. I believe a first round pick goes for the speed of a linebacker who can pressure or sack the QB. I really think it depends on what falls into our needs. As the first round pick went into defense the last 2 years, this year I expect offense to get the nod.
Pioli says: "Not so fast my man."
A running game requires eating clock. Whether you do it with a Thomas Jones 3 yard rush, or a 6 yard pass to the TE. Objective control the ball. The Patriots are not at the top of Yardage stats and not very good on Defense, yet they win the games on the scoreboard.
Keep the Defense resting on the sidelines.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
OLB or RT
Call me crazy. I know they say that RTs aren’t taken early in drafts ever but Jeff Otah and Gosder Cherilus are both tackles who were taken early and play strictly right side. Hell, the guy that St. Louis selected in the top 5 is currently only gonna cut it @ RT.
Dan recently had an article saying that Gabe Camiri is perhaps the most NFL ready player in the ENTIRE draft. With our RT position being anything but solid, is that a position we choose to upgrade in the 1st/2nd round? Or do we feel that OC is the bigger need? Perhaps a guy like Moffitt is available in Round 3 to fix our Center problem.
But, IMHO, I believe that OLB is going to be the pick in the 1st round next year. With guys like Ryan Kerrigan, Von Miller, and Akeem Ayers there is definitely 1st round talent there. Vrabel is done and Jovan Belcher shouldn’t be a starter but more like a quality backup and spot player. We need a pass rushing threat who can also cover TEs if needed.
Without more pressure, our DBs are going to continue to get carved up by the good passing QBs who have tons of time in the pocket.
OLB, NT, C/RT, and developmental QB (Tolzien/Hartline) and this draft is a success.
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Otah is the difference maker for the Panthers offense.
Any power run team wants a RT like that, 6’6" 330 LBS wall of man for those 3rd and 1 situations, and Gabe Camiri fits that mold to a T and then some.
by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 21, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Sorta goes to the point
The Chiefs run a Zone Block Scheme right now, there is nothing to say a player can’t be a mauler type in the RT position. I would think that the Center and Guards need to be good pull block types. I don’t know if Tackles need to be a certain way or not.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Dec 21, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Quick Footwork is key for the tackles.
Dunno about Camiri’s though.
by RjTheMetalhead on Dec 21, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
I cant see any other position standing out as more of a need then WR.
Hopefully we can land justin blackmon out of oklahoma st., im thinking aj green goes top 5, julio jones top 15, michael floyd top 20, and i dont think baldwin will go until round 2 or later.
imagine not being so 1 dimensional on offense, its either what run or pass to bowe, maybe moeaki? why not open the field and add another threat on the other side.
that would help cassel, the run game, bowe, and moeaki. you happy with cooper or tucker?
by the great thunderlips on Dec 22, 2010 12:05 AM EST reply actions
does everyone really think it will be OLB?
im not really sold? we signed studebaker to an extension mid season, to be a backup? what about sheffield we just have him as a backup? i know hali needs help but is this a bigger need then an upgrade of cooper or tucker opposite bowe? i have to disagree.
NT seemed like it came up alot also, but shaun smith plays NT and he starts at DE most of the time you would have to assume TJ will maintain his starting spot along with dorsey on the ends, so you keep smith on the bench or play him at NT? with edwards as a backup where he should be and you got gilberry as a backup DE seems better than cooper and tucker starting doesnt it?
by the great thunderlips on Dec 22, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
how in the world would we be able to release any of those mentioned players?
flowers released, really? no way they would do that, hali released? this a joke? carr released? im not thinking we are in a position to be releasing guys we really need?
we got enough money im not seeing the problem where we have to release these guys? DJ was a top 15 pick really think his extension was so much more than what he was already getting? charles got paid dirt cheap, cassel’s money will be going down soon i would assume, really think we resign dorsey and TJ to they top 5 money they got? or less? im banking on less and they will be around after we pay flowers, hali, and get to a point where we actually need money or its an issue.
wheres the problem here that im not seeing?
by the great thunderlips on Dec 22, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
im not really sold? we signed studebaker to an extension mid season, to be a backup? what about sheffield we just have him as a backup? i know hali needs help but is this a bigger need then an upgrade of cooper or tucker opposite bowe? i have to disagree.
I think it has to be. Our defense is going to continue to get tore up in the passing game if we can’t put pressure on the QB. There is that saying that you can’t cover in the NFL forever. Eventually the QB is going to find someone who’s open. You have to get to the QB.
I’m hoping that a new NT in the 340lb range and another OLB will really help with the development of Tyson Jackson. He’s improving. As for Studebaker, I think he’s a situational and rotational player who is definitely worth locking up as a solid guy on special teams and as a backup, but probably not a full-time starter. Not to say it won’t happen, but consider me skeptical.
I’m still a member of the camp that we are waiting for Fitzgerald to become available next offseason. We aren’t going to take a young wideout and risk there not being room for Fitz. Haley and Fitz have some kind of bro-mance goin’ and no reason to spoil that with a wideout who could just as easily bust as be a superstar.
The Chiefs run a Zone Block Scheme right now, there is nothing to say a player can’t be a mauler type in the RT position. I would think that the Center and Guards need to be good pull block types. I don’t know if Tackles need to be a certain way or not.
You’re correct. We do run a zone blocking scheme, but I’m not completely sure if that’s designated by coaches preference or the dreaded “we run what fits our players best” type situation. I think we could be a very good power blocking team with our RBs and Jamaal Charles is the type of guy who could really benefit from a power blocking scheme. The cutback requires you to run through a couple defenders when you make the cutback and break tackles, something that Charles isn’t always great at.
I don’t know if RT is a luxury we can afford right now with an early pick, but I’m convinced that we won’t take the next step as an offense until we can finally find another John Tait to lock down the right side.
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Does anyone think the fact that Floyd played for Charlie Weis will be important for the Chiefs pick?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 22, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions
Does anyone think the fact that Floyd played for Charlie Weis will be important for the Chiefs pick?
I think that in the end, the actual amount of difference it will make will be very little. The Chiefs were in prime position to draft Golden Tate this last draft at the top of Round 2, who played well under the Weis system, but that didn’t happen.
Clausen was available well into the 3rd round, and he played well under the Weis system but again, we didn’t bring him in.
I’m not convinced that Haley/Pioli or anyone in KC cares about the players from Notre Dame that Weis coached.
That being said, Floyd is a very talented WR prospect who’s been plauged by injuries and poor QB play so he could very well be on KC’s radar if we are looking for a 1st round wideout. Where he ranks among the wideouts in my mind is probably @ #4 behind Green, Jones, Baldwin, and then Floyd. I’m not as high as others on Blackmon to KC because he’s not the taller type WR that we need. He’s more like Bowe than Fitzgerald if your looking for a literal example.
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How about...
Round 1) Von Miller/OLB/Texas A&M
Round 2) Ryan Broyles/WR/Oklahoma
Round 3) Jerrel Powe/NT/Mississippi
Round 4-7) BPA
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