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Shady's Mock 3.0

 

 

  1. St. Louis                   Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska- Rams play it safe and decide they don't want to win next year.
  2. Detroit                      Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma- Either him or Eric Berry, but I think McCoy has a better combine.
  3. Tampa Bay                Eric Berry, S, Tennessee- With the DTs gone, Berry is the best option for Tampa.
  4. Washington               Anthony Davis, LT, Rutgers- I think Campbell stays, so he will need some help BAD! In the combine Davis will show he is better than Okung.
  5. Kansas City              Jason Pierre-Paul, DE/OLB, South Florida- After his freak workouts, he will shoot up like Brian Orakpo. KC needs OLBs and JPP has a very high ceiling.
  6. Seattle                      James Clausen, QB, Notre Dame- Carrol will want a QB to run his offense, and Clausen is the best QB and fits in Carrol's system.
  7. Cleveland                 Joe Haden, CB, Florida- Browns secondary needs some help and Haden is the best CB in the draft. 
  8. Oakland                    Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech- Even if they resign Seymour, DE is still a big need for Oakland. For some reason it sounds like Al won't give up on Jamarcus, so I doubt it will be Bradford.
  9. Buffalo                      Russell Okung, LT, OKST- This pick is a good value, and Bradford may be a reach here.
  10. Denver - from Chicago- Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State- He will rise due to playing 34 DE and having a great Senior Bowl. The Broncos also need playmakers on the defensive line.
  11. Jacksonville-             Brian Price, DT, UCLA- This was a tough pick to make, but the Jags need to get to the QB and there aren't any DEs worth this pick. Price could add explosiveness to the Jacksonville's Defensive line.
  12. Miami-                       Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas- McClain may be a safer pick, but Miami just needs an OLB too badly and OLB is more valuable to a 3-4 than an ILB.
  13. San Francisco           Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
  14. Seattle - from Denver  Bruce Campbell, LT, Maryland
  15. New York Giants       Rolando McClain, MLB, Alabama
  16. Tennessee                Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
  17. San Francisco - from Carolina Brian Bulaga, RT, Iowa
  18. Pittsburgh                Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
  19. Atlanta                      Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
  20. Houston                    CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
  21. Cincinnati                  Dez Bryant, WR, OKST
  22. New England             Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, MIchigan
  23. Green Bay                Charles Brown, LT, USC
  24. Philadelphia              Everson Griffen, DE, USC
  25. Baltimore                  Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
  26. Arizona                     Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
  27. Dallas                       Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
  28. San Diego                 Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
  29. New York Jets           Damian Williams, WR, USC
  30. Minnesota                 Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
  31. Indianapolis               Taylor Mays, S/MLB/OLB This pick will be criticized, but the Colts can afford to take a risk. Mays has the size of weakside linebacker and is bad in coverage for a safety, but for a linebacker he is good in coverage.
  32. New Orleans             Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Mizzouri
Round 2

 

  1. St. Louis                   Maukrice Pouncey, C/G, Florida
  2. Detroit                      Chad Jones, SS, LSU
  3. Tampa Bay               Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
  4. Kansas City              Terrance Cody, NT, Alabama
  5. Washington               Rejus Benn, WR, Illinois
  6. Cleveland                 Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
  7. Oakland                   Vladimir Ducasse, T/G, UMass
  8. Seattle                     Carlos Dunlap, DE/DT, Florida
  9. Buffalo                     Lamarr Houston, DT, Texas
  10. Tampa Bay - from Chicago Arthur Jones, DT, Syracuse
  11. Miami                      Jerry Hughes, OLB, TCU I know this I gave them 2 OLBs but this is such a big need for them.
  12. New England - from Jacksonville Jahvid Best, RB, California
  13. Denver                     Cam Thomas, NT, North Carolina
  14. New York Giants       Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech
  15. New England - from Tennessee  Tyson Alualu, DE, Cal
  16. Carolina                   Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
  17. San Francisco          Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
  18. Kansas City - from Atlanta Rob Gronkowski
  19. Houston                   Perrish Cox, CB, OKST
  20. Pittsburgh                Dominique Franks, CB, Oklahoma
  21. New England            Navorro Bowman, ILB, Penn State
  22. Cincinnati                Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
  23. Philadelphia             Eric Norwood, DE/OLB, South Carolina
  24. Green Bay               Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
  25. Baltimore                 Amari Spievy, CB, Iowa
  26. Arizona                   Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
  27. Dallas                     Nate Allen, FS, South Florida
  28. San Diego               Reshad Jones, S, Georgia
  29. New York Jets         Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
  30. Minnesota               Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
  31. Indianapolis             Corey Wooton, DE/DT, Northwestern
  32. New Orleans            Austen Lane, DE, Murray State       
Round 3                                                                                 

  1. St. Louis                 Daryl Washington, LB, TCU
  2. Detroit                    Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State
  3. Tampa Bay             Ciron Black, T/G, LSU
  4. Kansas City            Jared Veldheer, T, Hillsdale
  5. Oakland                  Kyle Calloway, T/G, Miami
  6. Philadelphia            Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee
  7. Cleveland                Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State
  8. Buffalo                    Jermaine Cunningham, OLB, Florida
  9. Miami                     Micah Johnson, ILB, Kentucky
  10. Jacksonville            Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
  11. Chicago                  Jason Fox, OT, Miami
  12. New York Giants     Geno Atkins, DT, Georigia
  13. Tennessee              Javier Arenas, CB, Alabama
  14. Carolina                  Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati
  15. San Francisco         Dexter McCluster, RB, Ole Miss
  16. Denver                    Mike Johnson, G, Alabama
  17. Houston                  John Jerry, G, Ole Miss
  18. Pittsburgh               Torrel Troup, NT, UCF
  19. Atlanta                    Sean Lee, LB, Penn State
  20. Cincinnati                Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson
  21. Oakland                  Jevan Snead, QB, Ole Miss
  22. Green Bay              Jason Worilds, OLB, Virginia Tech
  23. Philadelphia            Major Wright, S, Florida
  24. Baltimore                Dezmon Briscoe, WR, Kansas
  25. Arizona                   Pat Angerer, ILB, Iowa
  26. Dallas                     Jordan Shipley, WR, Texas
  27. San Diego               Matt Tenant, C/G, Boston College
  28. Cleveland                Thad Gibson, OLB, Ohio State
  29. Minnesota               Rodrick Muckelroy, OLB, Texas
  30. Indianapolis             Anthony McCoy, TE, USC
  31.  New Orleans          Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest

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I can almost guarantee you

The Colts won’t draft Mays. My feelings on him aside, he’s not our type of player. I mean, he could take over for Wheeler at WOLB, I guess, but Wheeler’s serviceable and there are more pressing needs. In our defense the MLB has to be MUCH better in coverage than Mays, and Session isn’t going anywhere on the strong side. That leaves Mays’s best bet at playing time at a safety position, where he’s still not good enough in coverage. If for some inexplicable reason they part ways with Bob Sanders during an uncapped year, where Bob’s only making 2.5 mil, I can see Mays getting some consideration, but he’s still be a huge coverage downgrade, and almost a liability against the pass. Remember, this is a team that is obsessed with stopping long plays. Pouncey, Gresham and even Perrish Cox would’ve made more sense there, and they were all available.

Also, I don’t think the Packers would pick Charles Brown. They like their OTs bigger than Brown, it seems.

"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"

by LukeNukem on Feb 15, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

I think as an LB he would be great in coverage

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

and...

The Colts would never take a LB in the first round…

by invisibulman on Feb 15, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that's the real issue

If you say Mays is coming in as a safety, then I could see the Colts using a 1st rounder to replace Bethea or Bullitt (if they have to). But if the argument is based on Mays coming in as a weakside LB, then there’s just no precedent to say that the Colts would an OLB that high.

by Naptime! on Feb 15, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That is incredible considering how good that group is. I am a big time Sessions fan. He is a thumper.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 15, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

also have

Mike Peterson, David Thornton and Cato June as guys that were taken and moved on.

by shake n bake on Feb 15, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea, I was always a big Cato June fan. I thought he was going to do really good for TB, but sort of fell off. He has been available a few times in the last 2 seasons or so. I always wanted the Ravens to pick him up.

Hey, why not take a guy in the 1st or 2nd round? Why not a guy like Spikes at 32 if to possibly takeover for Brackett or if he walks (which wont happen). Even a guy like Weatherspoon if somehow he drops. Any consideration to replace Bob Sanders? Guy is good, but plays 5 games a year…..if that.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 16, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Spikes can't cover

I love Spoon but we have O-line and KR/CB needs that come first, and by the time we get around to drafting an LB, he won’t be there. If Polian truly goes BPA and he’s the guy at 31, I wouldn’t be shocked, but as you can see above, history points elsewhere. Sanders is cheap enough next year that they won’t start thinking about replacing him until after that. They’ll have to retain Bullitt, who they feel is a very nice backup option, and probably the heir apparent at SS if Sanders gets cut for 2011 (assuming there is a 2011).

"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"

by LukeNukem on Feb 16, 2010 6:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Just look at the guy...

6’3, 260, slow 40…not our type. Too big, not enough experience in deep coverage. Maybe he could switch to SOLB or something, but like I said, there’s more pressing needs and he doesn’t blow me away enough to take him at 31.

"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"

by LukeNukem on Feb 16, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

we agree

he doesn’t have the cover skills to play MLB in Indy, but I do think he could be a great SAM (which is a spot the Colts won’t spend a 1st round pick on).

by shake n bake on Feb 16, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing is though, you cannot keep hoping for 5’11 LB to pan out the way Brackett did. And to LukeNukem, not too sure where you get the idea that Spikes cannot cover. He is the best MLB in coverage in this draft. Go look at his game film and you will see that.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Feb 16, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I was too harsh

He covers fine for a MLB. I am going by games I’ve seen though, and I’ve seen some lapses that wouldn’t get him any burn at MLB for this team (SOLB more likely). That said, I’m no expert. The real point is the MLB in our system can’t just be good at coverage for an MLB, he’s got to be really good at deep coverage, and he’s got to be really good at read/react. That’s why people keep mocking converted safeties to us at the 31 spot (like Taylor Mays) because they’d convert to Brackett replacements, theoretically (though I strongly disagree that Mays is capable of that).

"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"

by LukeNukem on Feb 16, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

June is a guy that does one thing very very well

and the rest, not so much. June is a Pro Bowl caliber cover guy. If you can keep blockers off him in the running game. He’s a converted safety and still plays like it all these years later.

by shake n bake on Feb 16, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

consider me officially pissy TRSS

if you and Dar start a Mays to Indy meme on here I’m banning you from stampede blue on principle. I don’t even care if you aren’t joined and have no plans to.

by shake n bake on Feb 15, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I cant beleive you would be upset

He has top 5 athletiscism. I would be happpy if the Chiefs got him in the top of the 2nd.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Packers need Oline and Charles brown is a good value

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

PS -

Wheeler is the SAM after Hagler got hurt. Session played weakside last year.

by invisibulman on Feb 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad

"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"

by LukeNukem on Feb 15, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pack

Packers have actually tended towards small linemen, since they have been a passing-oriented team. They would love Brown

by ct17 on Feb 15, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

But...

He’d be replacing a guy who’s 30-40 pounds heavier (depending on how Brown weighs in). In fact, who, besides Allen Barbre on that team is prototypically undersized? Who are these “small linemen” you’re referring to? I’m just curious, because last I checked they don’t have a guy under 305 in their rotation, and the two heaviest guys on their line outweigh Brown by 40 and 50 pounds respectively. On the Colts…he fits. He’s right there with all the other fringe 300 pounders. But the Packers’ mentality, despite what you say, does not seem to tend toward small linemen.

"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"

by LukeNukem on Feb 15, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

linemen

All o-linemen are over 300 lbs these days. Wells and Colledge are barely over. Tauscher is small for a RT, Lang is not much bigger (6-4 315ish). Clifton is on the heavy side for his height at LT, but him and Sitton are no more than 320. No one on the roster over 330. They were even smaller in the Holmgren days. They need a left tackle. If a good one is available, they will take him, whether it is Bulaga or Brown.

The Colts small o-line is unusual, and not really fit for a comparison to other teams. If you used Dallas for comparisons, you would say that every team has a small o-line.

by ct17 on Feb 16, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Taking me out of context

I’m saying Brown is small (he is…he’s under 290 at last check) and would fit in better on a team like Indianapolis, who doesn’t seem to mind it’s tackles being in the 290-300 range. I agree with you. Most teams want their linemen to be bigger than Brown, and GB is one of those teams. If Brown doesn’t bulk up to closer to 295 he slips, and the Colts would be happy to take him.

"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"

by LukeNukem on Feb 16, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Last weight for Charles Brown was 296.

That is higher than what he was listed at in college. The Combine weigh in will be very big for him. If he is 296 or higher, and still moves well, he may move up the boards.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't know he was that big now

You’re right, if he’s still pushing 300 and if he maintains what he does best (kicking out, blocking in space, keeping his feet quick) he’s a top 20 lock, in my opinion, and I bet he doesn’t get past his former coach at #14.

"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"

by LukeNukem on Feb 16, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

great

Now we’re going to have to hear from the Seattle fans about how Gibbs doesn’t choose offensive linemen in the first three rounds.

I agree with you, Brown is a strong contender for the #14 slot.

by ct17 on Feb 16, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never read a Seattle fan say

that Gibbs doesn’t go for OL in the first 3 rounds. I do think, though, that there are serious questions about whether the Seahawks would use the #6 pick on an OT in a weak class (especially on a guy that may or may not fit the ZBS).

by ninjasocks on Feb 16, 2010 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I am starting to agree that Seattle will probably not use the #6 pick on an LT.

They may have the opportunity to grab one of the two first round worthy QBs. And if not, then something else with that #6 pick.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Glorious.

And Geno Atkins can get reacquainted with “Lupita” on Dallass.

Interesting that a few now have Big Bad Rolando McClain falling to the Gints.

Bye, AP :(

by FreeBradshaw on Feb 15, 2010 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

lol i wil beat you any thing bradfor will not fall that far..

i cant see him out of top 10.. there is like 10 teams looking at QB this year.. if he falls that far some one would trade up.. (maybe vikings)

by det32 on Feb 15, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

You Never Know...

No matter what teams may think of Bradford, we’re talking about a QB who barely played last year because he hurt the joint that allows a person to lift his arm over his head. That’s a big, big concern (to say the least), and a team with any sort of risk aversion is going to lose some sleep over potentially giving the guy a Top-10-Pick contract. And if slips past 10-15, who knows?

Also any sort of opinion on Bradford before his pro day is probably premature. I know he tweeted he’s 100% and he’s throwing 30 yard ropes, but of course he’s going to say that. If he’s two-hopping the out routes at his pro day (or, more likely, cancels it) things might get ugly.

I get the sense many insider types still like him better than Clausen, but his situation is just so unique it’s hard to guess what will happen. Personally, I have a hard time imagining any team taking him early (say, top 10), simply because he didn’t play last year. The earliest I see him going is to Denver. Denver’s one team that won’t sweat his shotgun heavy background, and Josh McDaniels might be the first guy brave/crazy/dumb enough (ask me in 5 years) to spring that kind of cash/asset on him.

by jianfu on Feb 15, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think this injury is near as bad as you’re making it out. eli manning had the exact same thing, and he’s fine.

I hate the steelers the way a mother loves a child.

by notthatnoise on Feb 15, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradford hurt the joint twice though

I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

by Steel in FL on Feb 17, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Bradford's doctor

He’s got the same doctor working on his shoulder as Drew Brees. That worked out for Brees.

by medicineball on Feb 21, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

lions

1st Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma nuff said
2nd Chad Jones, SS, LSU i think this is a tad soon for him but it does fill a need.. i hope the go CB though.. jones isnt as versitel as JS likes in his S… Morgan Burnett is more of a fit for what he likes.. he can play both FS and SS..
3rd Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State more of are problem is pass rush… and carrington is more of a run stopper( though we need that as well) so i donno what to think here.. you can make the agreement he is the best DE on bored but i donno that he real fits us that well

basically good job on positions just not the players/ scheme

by det32 on Feb 15, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Chad Jones is one of the most versatile safties in the draft....

he’s bigger then Taylor Mays…probably bigger then Ernie Sims and DeAndre Levy for that matter, but he’s a legit SS.

He’s a balhawk too.

Dunno where you get this “too soon” stuff…but Jones could be a late first rounder or quite possibly go #15 overall

Bye, AP :(

by FreeBradshaw on Feb 15, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i still stand by the fact that

Morgan Burnett would be a better pick then Chad Jones.. if we do go S there… and jones only has 5 iint in his carrer so donno how he is a ball hawk.. i mean dont get me wrong i wouldnt mind jones i just dont think he is the best on the bored

by det32 on Feb 15, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Carrington can get some pass rush, but his best skill is still run defense. He is a pretty good value in the third.

Chad Jones is a GREAT value in the 2nd round.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with the Carrington being good value and such

but i think we need a pash rush more with the pakers and now marts in CHI.. but we will see… jones might be good value or w/e but i feel that Morgan Burnett is better

by det32 on Feb 15, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Well please let me know who is the better pass rusher than Carrington

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Chiefs

Most ridiculous mock draft I have ever seen for the Chiefs. A guy from D-II Hillsdale as a 3rd round pick? Come on!

by JASiege on Feb 15, 2010 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

This is what we call an idiot folks. A guy who says a mock is ridiculus based on 1 pick because he hasn’t heard of a small school guy.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

speeking of small school

where is Akwasi Owusu-Ansah he has played his way into the 3rd if you ask me

by det32 on Feb 15, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

He has injuries and was benched at the end of the year because he was playing not to get hurt.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not just the one pick.

It’s terrible picks throughout. But nono, you’re right. You know more about the Chiefs then a Chiefs fan does. Don’t let us get in your way, oh wise one.

by The Insider on Feb 15, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Then mention other picks. And I’d like to see you make a mock before you start being a smartass

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see a mock as well.

Instead of you throwing up on your keyboard and passing it off as anything good.

by The Insider on Feb 15, 2010 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor little Chiefs fan. You are pathetic.

In all seriousness, show me your mock if you really think I am stupid.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a pretty bad Chiefs mock and I am a Cowboys fan.

Do you really think Pioli is going to reach for a 4-3 DE? JPP does not fit the system and I seriously doubt he would be able to play OLB. Cody is a good pick, but that is pretty early for a TE. Sapp would fit better there because he is a 3-4 OLB. I also think they would draft John Jerry over Valdeheer because they need interior OL more than a project OT.

by Flounder69 on Feb 15, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

JPP will shoot up draft boards when he lights up the combine. He is rumored to run a 4.5-4.6 and is listed at 265, and combine numbers really assist draft stocks. And its not like Pioli is scared to reach for a position of need.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Flounder

John Jerry doesnt fit our scheme. Valdeheer is a better fit. Slim, this is a good Chiefs mock except JPP.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 21, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

See the thing is.

I wouldn’t have minded the mock so much had you not been a Grade A asshole to JASiege, who simply disagreed with one of your picks. I really think you should learn to take what you dish out. You sure can be a jackass to other people, but GOD FORBID they be a jackass to you. Enjoy living with your parents for another 30 years.

by The Insider on Feb 15, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Simply disagreeing is fine, but saying this is the “most ridiculous mock” because he hasn’t heard of a 3rd/4th round prospect that fits KC’s scheme well and can fill a need. That is not simply disagreeing.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, JA Siege started it

Also, Insider I dont know if you come here often but acting like this wont help you stay.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubt it

No it is ridiculous, because you have the Chiefs taking Jason Pierre-Paul with their first pick, based off of “freak” workouts….workouts don’t translate well to the NFL, we have all seen guys with “freak” workouts in the NFL Combine that don’t go anywhere. Cody is alright as a 2nd round pick, but a TE as the Chiefs 2b pick? That is as stupid as the JPP pick becaue a TE is not a big part of a Todd Haley offense. As for Veldheer, he is the fourth best D-II offensive lineman, even according to his own schools website! I’m not scoffing the drafting of a D-II player, I’m scoffing the drafting of a D-II player in the 3rd round when there would be better prospects of need available. Don’t act like you think you are so smart because you can throw around some D-II players names. I went to a D-II school, so I pay attention to D-II football.

by JASiege on Feb 16, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that freak workouts don’t often translate to the NFL, but they do translate to very high draft picks and you can’t deny that.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but...

I don’t see Pioli getting all worked up over a Combine. We are talking about KC here, not Oakland. The reason I called your mock for the Chiefs ridiculous was because I don’t think it touches much of the Chiefs needs. The Chiefs are in need of a good Safety, a true ILB, a NT, a good OL or two. You picked Cody, which would work as a second round pick, but the others I’m not so sure about. I would have to read more on Veldheer to see how he works in zone blocking, because that is what the Chiefs are doing. Our currently LT, Albert, did really good the second half of the season, because Jamaal Charles knows how to run behind that type of blocking and LJ did not. I don’t see the Chiefs taking a big LT, more than likely a new OG or Center. I just didn’t feel the needs were met and that’s my opinion.

by JASiege on Feb 16, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyson Jackson had great workouts and rose up the boards, dont be surprised if JPP does too. The Chiefs also need OLB because Vrabel is very washed up.

Veldheer fits well in a ZBS but he could also probably paly guard.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

JPP would play Hali's posistion though Slim

Not Vrabel’s posistion. One is a SAM OLB and the other is a Predator type.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd be surprised

Veldheer’s already got tons of hype. Wait until the combine when teams see his benchpress and his 40. He may not pan out, but you can’t argue that people aren’t talking about him.

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by LukeNukem on Feb 15, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Chiefs

I just don’t see my team taking a TE in round 2. A WR, maybe, or ILB.

by Special K on Feb 15, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Gronkowski is value right there

Also, those of you that still say Heley doesnt use a TE are crazy.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Colts would be happy to have him in the 3rd. Probably won’t make it to us.

by invisibulman on Feb 15, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been hoping he'll have just an average combine

so he could fall to the end of the 3rd and the Colts can concentrate on other areas w/their first 2 picks – CB/Returner and a pass rushing DE to rotate in w/Freeney and Mathis.

by Naptime! on Feb 15, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Siege

He is the best pick in this mock. JPP is the only bad one IMO. He is a Predator OLB and we have one of the best in the league in Hali. We need a SAM OLB Slim, Graham, Norwood are the best fits right there.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Hali is far from the best.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 21, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Not bad at all

        I could see this for the Rams. If Bradford did start to plummet, I would hope we’d trade up to get him and Suh though. But I like the idea of staying in the trenches for the first 2 rounds, and Pouncy is the best non-iupati or OT on the board, for O-line.

by dbcouver on Feb 15, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

I like the draft a lot for the Cowboys.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 15, 2010 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Me too

Especially since we’ve had good luck with USF DBs lately. Of course, we’ve had bad luck with UT wideouts lately, too…. I’d be pleased if it broke this way for the Cowboys.

by RickT on Feb 15, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

For sure...

It will be interesting to see how Shipley runs in the upcoming combine.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 15, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

In the 2nd Bucs take Thomas

over a guy like Lafell? I have been hearing Lafell is the better one.Can you explain your resoning?

I want to see Malcom Floyd in Pewter and Red next season!

by thedudeofdudes on Feb 15, 2010 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Thomas has a much higher ceiling. He is faster, bigger, and a better blocker.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ive heard Lafell is faster(noy by much), and is a better route runner

who can bulk up to get bigger.I dont know about ceiling but I know as of now Lafell is better.From what I hear though Thomas’s stock could improve well after combine.

I want to see Malcom Floyd in Pewter and Red next season!

by thedudeofdudes on Feb 15, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

texans

no spiller…rb wont be addressed till round 3 the earliest…dez bryant maybe…otherwise Carles Brown even…then maybe a guy like troup in the 3rd if we go OL in 1st

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 15, 2010 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

From a Lions perspective I really like the selection of Chad Jones at #34.

However, there is no way Carrington [a 3-4 DE] is drafted by Detroit. A Guard/Tackle like Calloway or John Jerry would be better or the CB , Brandon Ghee, that you have at the bottom of the round would be even better.

Lastly, if Bradford lasts until #30 he has to show that he is damaged goods. If he looks okay in his pro day and private workouts he will go by the eleventh pick. Hell, I think the Patriots would snap him up at #22 just based on value. Then what about the Cardinals at #26.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 15, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

Carrinton can play 43 de

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

But he is not a pass rusher. Lions would take someone like Austen Lane if he was not already gone!?!

I would be amazed that Lane would go in the second round. I think he is good, but not sure he moves up that much. Never know though.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 15, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

you are saying you would want him, then you say he is way too early. Can’t have it both ways

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Because the Lions would be accused of reaching at #66.

Well, I guess having him go at #64 is not that much earlier. Yeah, I think Lane will be that good.
I still say that Carrington is not a 4-3 DE. He will not fit Detroit’s needs for a DE.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 15, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We are going in circles. Please tell me who you would rather have.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Give me Austen Lane or ....

….give me death John Jerry or Brandon Ghee!

None of the DEs after Lane really fit what Detroit is looking for. At least that early. They may take a flyer on a guy in the fifth or sixth round.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Gunther Cunningham likes bigger DEs

So I doubt Carrington wouldnt fit his system.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a horrible D Cord though

He had Hali at 285 lbs! Everyone was calling him a bust. After he lost the wight and switched to the 3-4, he proved he wasnt. My point is, Cunningham likes fat DEs.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I like this draft for the Hawks

You get a QB with the #6, a ZBS LT with the #14 (here’s hoping he holds up) and risky high-upside DE in the second. I’m not a big fan of drafting Campbell with the #6 or Dunlap in the first round, but they look pretty decent at #14 and #40, respectively.

by ninjasocks on Feb 15, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

Like the phins

and about how I expect to go, 3 lbers in first 3 rounds

3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
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by Blaze453 on Feb 15, 2010 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

Really?

I really don’t know, I’m asking. Who are they losing besides Porter?

by Naptime! on Feb 15, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Who are they losing besides Porter? I’m not questioning you, I really don’t know.

by Naptime! on Feb 15, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Taylor will be 36

and is a FA I would like to move on at the LBer position

3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
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by Blaze453 on Feb 15, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

jaguars Draft

Personally I prefer rolando mcclain to Price, however I’d still like getting Price.

Do you think Tebow could drop to the Jaguars in the 4th?

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by TheTealDeal on Feb 15, 2010 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

I'll pipe up for the Bills fans.....why Lamarr Houston as a DT when they need a Nose Tackle for their 3-4.

Cam Thomas would be the pick at #41 to man the nose. Houston is only 300 pounds, severely undersized for a NT.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 15, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

I have been on the Bills SB site and they are talking about their options this year.

One of the discussions is along the lines of using what they have this year [Stroud at NT, Kyle Williams at DE] until they can upgrade next year. Like my Lions, they have a lot of big holes [QB, LT, NT, DE, OLB] that need early round fixing. Not enough picks and not that much depth in this deep class.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll pipe up for nose tackles

Why do they have to be so fat? Maybe teams should be drafting guys that are strong instead. Ratliff is less than 300 lbs.

by ct17 on Feb 15, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ratliff is about 6'4 310 - 304 depending on the site.

I agree I think J Rat is changing how teams look at 3-4 NTs.

by Flounder69 on Feb 15, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Cam Thomas is fat.

You need a guy with the ability to take up two blockers and not get pushed aside. Ratliff may be able to hold up that way because of his outstanding use of leverage and strength. There may be other guys like him around………although from what I have read, Lamarr Houston is not like that.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Houston is more like ziggy hood

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but does that mean you are projecting Houston as a 3-4 DE?

I think he is a little short for that position. 6’ 2 1/4". Ziggy is 6’ 5" I believe.
Alex Carrington is 6’ 5 1/4" and 284 pounds. Perfect for a 3-4 DE.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I still think he can play 3-4 DE.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Glenn Dorsey is a 6'1

and he was 4th in tackles among all 3-4 DEs and he missed 2 games.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Broncos.

I like Cam Thomas, though maybe not in the 2nd. I like Mike Johnson in the third, though I’d prefer John Jerry at this point. The pick that gets to me is Jared Odrick in the first; I mean, wouldn’t even Brian Price be a better gamble for DT-turned-DE at that point? Not to mention the more than half a dozen prospects that would be better value and otherwise associated with Denver still available…

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by ejruiz on Feb 15, 2010 7:32 PM EST reply actions  

I think Odrick will shoot up the boards as we get closer to the draft.

It was either him or Sam Bradford, and next time I’ll probably give you sam

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Seriously?

With McClain still on the board, those were your only two options? Dan Williams, Mike Iupati, Dez Bryant? Really?

by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 15, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Redskins

You might be right about Davis having a great combine & moving ahead of Okung but I like Okung better because I think he will be a perfect fit in Shannahans ZBS. I doubt that a WR will be their #2 pick tho, especially Arrelious Benn as he is much like Devin Thomas who they drafted in the 2nd two years ago. They have Santana Moss, Antwan Randle El & Malcolm Kelly as well as Thomas so they are set at WR.

by ENsDad27 on Feb 15, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions  

Really?

How many people here would trade their team’s WRs for Washington’s? Randle El had zero TDs last year. Lots of drops among these guys. I’m not sure anyone is safe in Washington.

by ct17 on Feb 15, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You misunderstand

I am not suggesting that our WRs are all that great, ( altho Devin Thomas is very good ), I am saying that with so many needs, three Offensive linemen, FS & most likely RB plus LB depth it is very unlikely that we will go with a WR in the 2nd, especially when we only have 5 picks (12457)

by ENsDad27 on Feb 16, 2010 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Devin Thomas? Very Good?

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ummmmm

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 17, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

trust me, watch a skins game, he is very good

by ENsDad27 on Feb 17, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Whateeeeeever you say

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 17, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I would agree to that argument. Thomas shows promise.

The first thing you need to do is stop trading away draft picks. Then find the next Jacoby and Grimm.

by ct17 on Feb 16, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Then find the next Jacoby and Grimm

So you’re saying the Redskins will draft Jacoby Ford and Cody Grimm? That way they get the next Jacoby/Grimm? Nice.

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by tj.hendricks on Feb 17, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The 1st thing we need to do

was to get rid of Vinny “Dumbass” Cerratto, which we did in November. Bruce Allen is now the GM & Mike Shannahan is the Coach, I think that there will be immediate improvement. ( Still looking for Jacoby & Grimm tho…lol) Still dealing with the legacy of Vinny tho, no 6th rd. pick because we traded it to MIami for Jason Taylor who after being released by the Skins is once again MIAMI’s starting DE. No 3rd because we took Jarvis Jarmon last year in the supplemental draft.

by ENsDad27 on Feb 17, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Davis seems in the Clady mold to me.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He is nothing like Clady Slim

Okung is more like Clady. Davis doesnt have the quick feet like O Kung. Davis is more like Flozell in his prime.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So you are effectively having the Fins take Micah Johnson over McClain

There is no way the Dolphins pass on McClain unless Dez Bryant or Eric Berry are there at 12.

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by Patssuck456 on Feb 15, 2010 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

No this isn’t McClain vs. Johnson

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Good mock. Couple things though.

- I do not think Weatherspoon will make it out of the top 25.
- Don’t see Nate Allen being drafted that early.
- Think Daryl Washington will go in the 2nd, but first in the 3rd sounds good still
- And where in the world did you get the hunch that Pierre-Paul is going to be a top 5 pick? I agree that he is really good (Justin Tuck mold), but no way he goes even in the top 20.

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by Mr MaLoR on Feb 15, 2010 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

And Like I said above, i think JPP shoots up after a crazy combine

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

JPP and Dunlap

JPP and Dunlap are so similar to Michael Johnson last year. All tall, fast, accused (well, proven) of taking plays off. Johnson went in the 3rd. Did not even start after Odom got hurt. You need more than physical skills to play football. There is a reason that all WRs are not track stars.

by ct17 on Feb 15, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

I’m not saying they will be good, but they will go high. And they are much more talented than Johnson.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 15, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

also...

Mario Williams and Julius Peppers were proven to take plays off in college.

Juts sayin (JPP isn’t in that league tho…no where near the production on plays he did play)

Bye, AP :(

by FreeBradshaw on Feb 16, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

JPP only had one year to make plays though

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

re-read...

on the plays he did play..he didn’t have near the prodution.

He’s all potential and gonna be a workout warrior.

Bye, AP :(

by FreeBradshaw on Feb 16, 2010 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick question TRSS

So with Bill Stull you worry about a possible one year wonder?

Yet it seems you are making excuses for JPP due to his one year production.

I can see where you coming from with Stull, but then think the same about JPP. A one year wonder is a one year wonder.

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by tj.hendricks on Feb 17, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Because JPP is from Junior College. This was his first year of D1.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 17, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

so?

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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm, can you really fault someone for having 1 good year in one year of playing?

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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 17, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

..you can fault someone for only playing one year..cuz you don’t know what he can do going forward.

Lots of players have one good year.

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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s hard to judge him by it but he was great in JUCO.

Let me ask you this; If you owned an NBA team would you have avoided drafted Kevin Durant because he only had 1 good year?

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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 17, 2010 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

are you seriously trying to correlate NBA picks to NFL picks?

I won’t even give you an answer to that.

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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 17, 2010 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

So because he is from JUCO he isn’t a one year wonder?

Like I said, a one year wonder is a one year wonder.

By the way LOVE the sig.

McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.

by tj.hendricks on Feb 17, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, I was proud of the sig.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 17, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Good job.

I don’t like that all the players I want in the first round are gone before the Steelers pick. Therefore this is obviously a horrible mock.

I fear it will happen though, and Spikes would work, although I’d love to see Graham in that slot and Warren in the second (Go Blue!!)

Lupati fell in this mock compared to most, Just wondering why, are you not high on him, or you expect a poor combine?

If the 12-17 picks go like your mock Steeler fans will be pulling out their hair and yelling about not trading up. Then passing on Lupati will have them calling for Tomlin’s head.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 16, 2010 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

I kinda doubt a guard will go top 20. Position value

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Hutchinson went at # 17 in 2001.

Leonard Davis went at # 2 that same year. Kyle Turley went #7 in 1998. Chris Naeole went #10 in 1997. Reuben Brown went #14 in 1995.

But generally, they don’t unless the team thinks they can convert them to a Tackle. But at #18 it is more than possible that Iupati gets picked there. Especially if all the big good tackles are gone. Which they might be.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t care what happened 10+ years ago.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Lombardi said that just before he made the trophy that now carries his name. Look it up.

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 16, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Draft patterns from 10 years ago are completely irrelevant. Football has changed A TON since then.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It is all in the player

the teams wont even look at the posistional value with a top tier player. Also, LG has only gained value since then so you should look at 5, 10, or even 15 years ago.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say time is the issue so much as level of talent available.

by Phantaskippy on Feb 17, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, are u a Michigan AND steelers fan

by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 16, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't want to see Spikes.

not with Iupati, Graham, and Wilson still there. I’d also like Allen over Franks in the 2nd.

I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.

by Steel in FL on Feb 17, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I really don't understand everyones obsession with Sergio Kindle. To me he's a 2nd-3rd round prospect.

I’ve said it plenty of times, I’ll say it again. 0% chance the Dolphins take a weakside rush linebacker with there first round pick. Especially is Rolando McClain is still available. Yes, you’re absolutely right, the rush linebacker position is far more important in a 3-4 defense than an ILB. However, if the Fins do decide to go with a rush linebacker in round one, it will be for one who can play strongside linebacker like Brandon Graham or Jason Pierre-Paul. The Fins already have Cameron Wake and Jason Taylor to play the weakside. The reason for Miami’s struggles rushing the QB last season were two words… Joey Porter. Because Porter played on the weakside, Jason Taylor was forced to move to the strongside where not only does the QB see when you’re coming, but you are going up against a much bigger (maybe a little less athletic) offensive tackle where you can easily be thrown around like a rag doll if you are not built Ford tough. Even then, JT was able to accumulate 8 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and an INT for a TD at 34 years of age. Not terrible I must say. He’ll be moving back to the weakside next season. Another reason why Cameron Wake. Dudes a freak and he’ll prove it next season as he’ll finally be the starting weakside linebacker, as he should have been if it wasn’t for Joey Porter starting who frankly shouldn’t even have been on the field if it wasn’t for him being the vocal leader of this team. Porter was a cancer to the Fins both on the field with his poor play and off it with his big mouth. Now that he’s gone, Wake and JT will split time on the weakside. That is filled. The Fins don’t need another weakside LB, they already had a difficult time with 3 weakside LB’s last season and no one to man the strongside (although I blame management for that, they had the perfect guy in Matt Roth but they cut him. That bit us in the ass!). Kindle should be completely out of the question as he’ll get killed on the strong side. If the Fins go OLB, it’ll be Graham who’s strong enough to shed RT’s. OLB is really not that big of a need as some of you guys may think it is for the Fins. Especially not Weakside. Yes Porter is gone, but that might actually be an upgrade considering all I’ve stated above.
The Dolphins simply won’t pass on Rolando McClain for yet another weakside linebacker. Maybe Jerry Hughes could handle the strongside, but I’m still up in the air on that. I don’t think he’s strong enough.

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by JP 23 on Feb 16, 2010 11:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

According to NFL.com Joey Porter led the Dolphins in sacks with Nine.

Porter played in two less games than Taylor and had the same number of tackles. Taylor only had seven sacks in those stats.
I am not saying that Porter is great, he just accomplished more for your team than you let on.
I do appreciate your post as I will think about this when I revise my mock.
FYI I do have Kindle going in the mid second round although I cannot remember to who. I just checked. I have him going to Miami. Any suggestions for who else might fit the bill? Graham is long gone [pick #24].

by NorthLeft12 on Feb 17, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

9 sacks from the weakside isn't all that great. JT would have had more sacks had he played in his natural position. That was the point I was trying to make.

Graham, Pierre-Paul, Everson Griffin, MAYBE Jerry Hughes (We’ll see at the combine). Thaddeus Gibson maybe (but he’s a 3rd or 4th rounder).

Derrick Morgan if he a shows that he’s athletic enough to stand up in a 3-4 at the combine would be the absolute perfect fit. He might have a tough time learning to play in coverage early on, as will most college DE’s who will switching positions at the pro-level to the 3-4 scheme. However, he’s a hard worker and has a great football IQ so I would imagine that he would catch on quickly. He’s already a great pass rusher and does a good job against the run. That’s already 2/3’s of the job. If he can prove to a team at the combine that he is athletic enough to play standing up in a 3-4 scheme, he’d be the perfect fit for the strongside.

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by JP 23 on Feb 17, 2010 10:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Another name, is Greg Hardy to man the strongside in a 3-4 Defense.

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by JP 23 on Feb 17, 2010 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t think Hardy or Griffen could play in a 3-4.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 17, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If Matt Roth can play and succeed in a 3-4 Defense playing the strongside at 6-4 275 Ibs. So can Griffin whose way more athletic.

Roth is just an example cause he played for the Fins.

Greg Hardy can move man. I think he can do it. The both can get to the sidelines and are good against the run which is what you look for from your outside linebackers (besides rushing the QB.) I honestly believe they can. Maybe I’m alone on this one but if Griffin dropped to the Fins in round 2 and I had to choose between him and let’s say…. Ricky Sapp, I’m going with Griffin and converting him to a strongside linebacker.

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by JP 23 on Feb 18, 2010 9:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks for Roth by the way, Browns really like him. But he is about 270, which is about the max you can be as an LB and Griffin is 280

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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 18, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Griffen can loss that weight

Everyone said Hali couldnt play 3-4 OLB and he turned into a very effective player. Roth didnt do well in Miami and was playing for a contract in CLE. He could turn out to bve good but he does lack athleticism. Griffen and Hardy would be risky but they could maybe play in the 34.

by darwithabar on Feb 20, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradford could be a bust

He has a lot of talent, but he was never great under pressure or throwing into tight windows. I don’t think he can handle the NFL well. That’s why I hope the Vikings would not take him in the first round, even if he fell.

by medicineball on Feb 21, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

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