Sunday NFL Scouting Combine ruminations, open thread
by Dan Kadar on Feb 28, 2010 9:33 AM EST
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PrintThe NFL Scouting Combine is really in full effect today with quarterbacks, running backs and wide receivers.
Yesterday, I dismissed the dazzling combine showing by Maryland offensive tackle Bruce Campbell. One Terrapin fan dropped this doozy in my inbox last night:
Bruce Campbell is an athlete freak! If you can't understand taht, u need to stop bloging. he's a top 10 lock now! fear da turtle!!!!
OK.
While I consider offensive linemen running and jumping being mostly worthless, it's not so for today's participants. Today is where a bunched up group of wide receivers and running backs can separate themselves.
For the quarterbacks, this is where players like Jevan Snead, Tony Pike or Sean Canfield can make a lot of money. There will be Sam Bradford, Jimmy Clausen, Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow or Dan LeFevour. So there is an opportunity for a quarterback to steal the show. And don't be surprised if it happens.
By the by, LeFevour may participate in some drills.
This is a day for players to step up. 3k from Turf Show Times breaks some of them down.
Along with the players he mentions, I'd also include wide receiver Mike Williams of Syracuse. He quit the Syracuse football team in November and has become somewhat of an unknown commodity.
The combine runs all day today on the NFL Network. Discuss your findings in this thread.
Other notes:
• Oklahoma State's Russell Okung tweaked his groin on Saturday. That's why you didn't see him participating in all drills.
• Tony Pauline of TFY Draft and Sports Illustrated gives his offensive lineman and tight end risers and fallers.
• Jimmy Clausen played through pain, pain killers.
• Battle Red Blog at the combine: I'm really tired of this place.
• Non-combine: NFL considering overtime rules change.
• Very good Q&A from Dan Williams.
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Tim Tebow registers a 38.5-inch vertical leap. Highest ever for a quarterback. Insert your own bad “He’s just jumping toward heaven” joke. Or whatever.
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Did John Skelton really run a 4.47? At his size, Holy ****
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 28, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t know. I’m really just turning it on now and they haven’t mentioned it.
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yeah it was awesome. Guy looks to be mid-rounder now after good East-West practices and combine. Someone will fall in love with his size/speed/potential
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
oops i must have been thinking about another guy
he just ran a 4.8
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
honestly i think i have gotten combine maddness and just imagined a QB running a fast 40time.
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
a 4.47
wow oakland here he comes
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Jarrett Brown
Throwing well.
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Why would Armanti Edwards’ agent let him work as a quarterback? He needs to strictly be doing wide receiver drills.
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Armanti could play wildcat QB
Doesn’t have the hight to play regular but he does have a good arm.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
He underthrew
All of his 9 routes. He may have a good short arm, but I don’t see him throwing deep unless it is out of a wildcat package, to an open receiver.
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Wildcat QBs are RBs or WRs.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Pat White?
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Pat White
Didn’t run the wildcat. He had his own package. Looked like the “pony set.”
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Still it's so obvious your running in the wildcat unless you have Cribbs
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Cribbs in the NFL became more of a RB/WR.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Word
I’m just saying he was a college QB. I think Armanti is going to do the same thing; maybe not at the same level as Cribbs though. Cribbs is pretty amazing.
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I just think they have to change mentally from being a college QB. In a wilcat, you rarely throw
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was
Wondering the same thing.
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Hoping lightning striked twice like it did for Pat White?
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 28, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
And Mayock said “Edwards will do some receiver drills as well.” Armanti needs to realize he is a receiver first. He should be doing some QB drills “as well,” rather than the other way around.
Nonetheless I’d love the Jags to grab him. Dude makes plays.
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White
And he actually outhrew all the other QBs last year.
He did well
But I don’t remember him out throwing everyone.
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Seneca Wallace
He is 5’11 and a backup with the Seahawks.
Backup quarterback in the NFL is a very good gig.
by medicineball on Feb 28, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace is 20 pounds heavier
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 1, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
What did he run?
I know Ford ran a 4.27.
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
4.36 unofficial
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by shake n bake on Feb 28, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
My bad
I was thinking 4.38, wasn’t sure though.
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Well good thing it was un-official
If it was official he’d be top 15.:(
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
4.37 unofficial for the 2nd run
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by shake n bake on Feb 28, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Crazy
He is almost gone for the Panthers.:(
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Tate?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Ok
That’s pretty good.:)
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I saw 4.36
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
When I was watching him, I compared him to hines ward
then the commentators said the same thing. I think Golden Tate will be good.
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LaFell
with a 4.59 and 4.60
Not so good for a man trying to break into the 1st round. He looks slow to get up to top speed.
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions
Ouch!
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I think he dropped himself to the second. He needed to run a low 4.5
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yeah he looks like the 1st would be a reach.
Jordan Shipley ran in the late 4.5… i thought he was meant to be late 4.3
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
No!
Late 4.4s.
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 28, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
ahh thats not too bad. i though the screen said 4.5 something.
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
just went back and looked at his time and the screen says unoffical times of
1st run = 4.57
2nd run = 4.60
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve always had LaFell in the second. He’s just a solid player.
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Yeah
He’s value in the second. Nice no. 2 receiver.
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My man Arrelious Benn tearing it up. Ive been on his badwagon since November and he is showing now why he is going to be a 1st round pick. 20 reps and a sub 4.4. Dude is a beast.
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Body caught
All of his catches.
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i wish they would stop
showing Tebow in slow motion. He has a facial expression like he’s trying to take a dump
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions
I wish they would SHUT UP about tebow and all this man love for him.
they are like “OOOOHHH He had a ’97’’ broad jump…thats so amazing..” wait, he didn’t even have the best broad jump for a QB…
FAIL.
I agree...
I agree that they are giving him more attention than they should, but don’t knock down what he has done. Yes, he hasn’t had the best broad jump or 40 time for a QB. But he has done extremely well across the board. What QB has a better broad jump? How about vertical? Tebow is preforming extremely well.
But don’t blame them for focusing on him. Don’t blame Tebow either. Keep in mind that most people who are watching the combine want to see how Tebow preforms.I know groups of people here in Florida only watching to see Tebow and no on else. This is about the money, first and foremost. If the NFL network wants to be successful all of these events must be, and Tebow is the biggest draw this year. They /have/ to focus on him slightly. Not all of the fans care as much as we do here about seeing the best performers, Most only want to see their performers, and the network has to give them, at least in part, what they want.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Feb 28, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
that doesn’t deny that these guys are stinking up the place.
actually he didn’t have the longest broad jump but they have said something along the lines that he did…even though on the combine website AND on the scroll on the top it lists tim hiller as higher.
I am not knocking tebow at all. the fail was more directed at rich eisen.
Who cares how high a QB jumps. That will never matter
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if he’s diving for the endzone or hurdling a tackler, then it might.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Feb 28, 2010 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Which is about never
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 1, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
If those extra vertical inches mean a TD on a third and goal instead of a FG, that could just as easily be the difference between a win and a loss. Depending on the team he is drafted to, it could mean the difference between playoffs and no playoffs.
So, yeah. It does make a difference.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 1, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if you could tell, but I was being completely sarcastic.
lets draft a QB for what he might be able to do slightly better on one play each season!!
If he can’t throw and still throws that frittata it doesn’t matter. right now to me, his physical skills that were tested at the combine come 7th to
1. Mechanics, throwing motion, footwork
2. Intangibles
3. Ability to read a defense and go through progressions
4. Decision making
5. Arm Accuracy
6. Arm Strength
So far, I believe that puts TheTealDeal the front runner for my $20.
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Tell me what you need in order to allow the transfer/whatever I’d need to do.
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Anyone else read the Clausen article?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 1:52 PM EST reply actions
No, the one you posted a link to up in this post. I just wanted to know someone else’s opinion on it.
Yahoo Sports is butt, by the way.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting...
Tebow’s 3 cone drill timed in unofficially at 6.66. Anyone else laugh at that?
by alwaysforgiven821 on Feb 28, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions
(raises hand)
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by shake n bake on Feb 28, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
RB 40 times:
Gerhart with a 4.53… guy looked like a beast.
Dwyer ran a 4.6 something. looked slightly chubby in the guy and lost alot of speed sideways (ie could get faster in the future).
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions
Spiller
Spiller just came in at 4.28 unofficially.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Feb 28, 2010 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
good point
but Dwyer did look slow. Ben Tate looked good.
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Javid Best with a 4.33 unofficial… guy looks good.
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Dwyer isn’t a speed guy, he’s a power guy. I don’t really care about his 40.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
NOt trying to sound mean.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
that’s still kinda slow tho.
Gerhart is more of a power guy, and he ran a 4.5.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 28, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Knowshawn ran 4.6 last year
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Speed isn’t a running backs biggest asset, especially if being a scat back isn’t your thing.
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that’s Knowshawn Moreno..that’s irrelevant.
Moreno’s not as big and probably graded out well on his quickness.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 28, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
that's slow if he wants to be a 1st rounder.
plus he looked alittle chubby (and thats more concerning considering that he had a lot of time to sculpt himself in prep for the combine).
Plus, you want a RB, even if he is a power back, to have good burst and acceleration. That said… might mean that the Browns can get him in the 2nd.
by Sheffieldbengal on Feb 28, 2010 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
40 times don’t measure burst and acceleration
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
NICE…
James starks from buffalo puts up an unofficial time of 4.48…If this is accurate, this is BIG…
big sleeper there…for a guy close to 220 that is impressive.
I was thinking the same thing. Nice to see that. I like him a lot.
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You got me interested in him the other day, bross.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Juice Williams supposedly ran a 3.98. It was so fast, that it was not caught on tape and they have no idea where Juice is now.
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is that official or unoffocial time?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 28, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Carlton Mitchell
At nfl.com/combine he is offically listed as 6’2, 296 lbs, and runs a 4.45 40. I’m thinking he would be an awesome tight end. Do not try to tackle a man that large going that fast.
OK, it’s probably a misprint. 196 is more likely for the lanky kid. He’s a good prospect though.
How far would Bryant drop since he wasnt participating?
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Not much
Everyone will see his pro day. Most scouts will tell you that film matters the most, and that the combine is most valuable for the interviews and health examines. Bryant is a beast. Not likely a top-10 beast, but a beast nonetheless.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Feb 28, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
If the Browns take him I wouldn’t complain
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