Mock Draft 2.0
by tjdove123 on Feb 5, 2010 11:47 AM EST
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1. St. Louis- DT- Ndamukon Suh- Nebraska
- St. Louis could go quarterback in this spot and the recent development that Sam Bradford should be 100% for his pro day and workouts raises that possibility. However, I still think that Coach Spagnola will push hard for Suh and the fact that he is the best and most sure fire prospect, will ensure he gets his man.p>
2. Detroit- DT- Gerald McCoy- Oklahoma
- Detroit has a lot of needs and defensive line is one of them. McCoy is a disruptive force and would help in both the running game and creating pressure on the quarterback. Maybe they could trade down and pick up some extra picks and go after someone like Joe Haden. But who is going to trade up? Maybe someone after Bradford?
3. Tampa Bay- S- Eric Berry- Tennessee
- Berry is too good of a talent to pass up. The Bucs need playmakers on the defense and Berry arguably the top defensive playmaker, behind Suh. Tampa could go for Derrick Morgan to sure up their pass rush but Berry’s talent will win out.
4. Washington- OT- Russell Okung- Oklahoma State
- Washington could go for Bradford and that is very likely but I still feel that Shanahan will give Campbell a shot. The offensive line was a major issue last season and Okung could anchor the left side for a long time.
5. Kansas City- LB- Rolando McClain- Alabama
- This is really high for an inside linebacker, but it’s a major need for the Chiefs. The Chiefs showed last season that they will reach to fill need, will they do that again? In this mock Bradford is still on the board so this could be a really hot trade spot.
6. Seattle- QB- Sam Bradford- Oklahoma
- The recent news that Bradford will be 100% for his pro day and workouts really elevated his stock. I believe firmly that coaches and GMs fall in love with players during the draft process and the fact that Bradford will be able to work out helps him a lot. Seattle needs to find a quarterback of the future; they may not be in a better position than they are this year.
7. Cleveland- CB- Joe Haden- Florida
- Haden is by far the best corner in this draft. Cleveland really needs to upgrade their secondary and Haden is a perfect start.
8. Oakland- OT- Anthony Davis- Rutgers
- The Raiders need to stabilize the offensive line if JaMarcus or any quarterback is expected to succeed. Davis has a ton of athletic ability and the potential to be a dominate left tackle in the NFL.
9. Buffalo- WR- Dez Bryant- Oklahoma State
- Jimmy Clausen is a possibility here but Coach Gailey has shown that he could get production out of lower level talent. Dez Bryant adds a dynamic playmaker to the offense and whoever is at quarterback well be happy with this pick. The Bills might be making the switch to a 3-4 defense so if someone rises up the board that fits the scheme, which could be the pick.
10. (X) Denver (from Chicago) - DT- Dan Williams- Tennessee
- Denver misses out on both Dez Bryant and Rolando McClain but Dan Williams is fast rising prospect that can fill in at nose tackle.
11. (X) Jacksonville- DE- Derrick Morgan- Georgia Tech
- Jacksonville needs help in the pass rush department and Morgan is the best defensive end prospect in this year’s draft. This could be the potential steal of the first round because Morgan has a ton of talent.
12. Miami- DE/OLB- Brandon Graham- Michigan
- Graham had an impressive senior bowl week and that has lead to his rise up the draft boards. Graham showed that he can get to the quarterback with ease and is a constant threat to disrupt a play. Miami needs some help at the OLB position and Graham can help in that department.
13. San Francisco- S- Earl Thomas- Texas
- Thomas is a ball hawking cover safety and that’s exactly what the 49ers need. The 49ers need help at offensive tackle but Thomas’s value meets position of need here.
14. Seattle (from Denver)- RB- CJ Spiller - Clemson
- Seattle needs some speed in their offense and Spiller has a lot of speed. Spiller can solve the Seahawks running back problems. Seattle still needs help along the offensive line but that could be filled with later round picks.
15. New York Giants- DT- Brian Price- UCLA
- The Giants defensive line just didn’t get the job done last season. Price can be a disruptive force for the Giants defense.p>
16. (X) San Francisco (from Carolina) - T- Trent Williams- Oklahoma
- San Francisco needs an upgrade at the right tackle position and Williams has the potential to be a dominate right tackle. Williams might be a right tackle only because he struggled some last season at the left tackle position.
17. (X) Tennessee- DE- Jason Paul- Pierre - South Florida
- Paul- Pierre had one very successful season at South Florida but his lack of game experience could be an issue. However, he has all the physical tools to generate a pass rush.
18. Pittsburgh - G/T- Mike Iupati- Idaho
- Iupati is Pittsburgh’s kind of guy. He is big and physical and can help along the offensive line from day 1.
19. (X) Atlanta- CB- Patrick Robinson-Florida State
- Atlanta needs help in the secondary and Robinson will be battling Kyle Wilson to be the 2nd cornerback off the board. Robinson has a lot of speed and is a willing contributor in the run game.
20. (X) Houston- CB- Kyle Wilson- Boise State
- There are some questions surrounding Dunta Robinson and his pending free agency. Wilson had a very impressive week at the Senior Bowl and elevated his stock.
21. Cincinnati- WR- Arrelious Benn- Illinois
- Cincinnati needs a young play maker to add to its receiver core. Benn is going to have a good day at the combine and show that his lack of production was due to the inconsistent quarterback play at Illinois. Benn has added value in the return game and could replace Mr. Fumble (Caldwell) as the primary kick returner.
22. New England- LB- Sergio Kindle- Texas
- Kindle fills a need for the Patriots, as a pass rushing linebacker. Kindle has a chance to raise his stock if he has a good combine and impressive workouts.
23. Green Bay- OT- Brian Bulaga- Iowa
- Green Bay needs a lot of help at the tackle position and Bulaga can step right in and be a major upgrade. Aaron Rodgers is very pleased with this pick.
24. Philadelphia- DE- Carlos Dunlap- Florida
- Dunlap is a top 10 talent but his recent arrest on DUI charges dropped his stock. Some also question his drive and motors but he has all the talent to wreak havoc on opposing offenses.
25. Baltimore- TE- Jermaine Gresham- Oklahoma
- Baltimore needs to give Flacco as many weapons as possible. Gresham is coming off a major knee surgery but has a ton of potential.
26. Arizona- QB- Jimmy Clausen - Notre Dame
- Clausen really dropped in my latest mock draft. A lot of this has to do with the fact that nobody after Buffalo really needs a quarterback. There are some question marks about Clausen’s ability but he is worth the risk here for Arizona. Maybe Leinhart is the answer but if not they have a backup plan.
27. Dallas- S- Taylor Mays - USC
- Dallas needs help at safety and along the offensive line but it will be hard to pass up on the talent Mays. He has all the physical abilities but he needs to figure out the mental part of the game.
28. San Diego- T- Charles Brown- USC
- San Diego could look at Terrence Cody here but his less than impressive performance at the Senior Bowl could have his stock dropping. Brown would be a nice option along the Chargers offensive line.
29. New York Jets- DE/OLB- Ricky Sapp- Clemson
- The Jets need someone that can do what Vernon Gholston couldn’t and Sapp has the potential to be that guy. Sapp is a gifted athlete and is capable of providing a consistent pass rush.
30. Minnesota- DT- Jared Odrick- Penn State
- Odrick elevated his stock at the Senior Bowl and Minnesota could need help on the defensive line w/ the possible retirement/suspension of Pat Williams.
(X)- Position to be determined by coin flip
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Why is Suh Spagnuolo's man?
I don’t get that…Spags knows franchise QB’s will give you the best chance for success every year.
Also..what does Sam Bradford have to do with the #1 pick?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I will ridicule any mock draft that has a QB NOT taken by the rams.
this is what history tells us about the draft:
-QB is the position most often taken with the #1 pick in the last 30 years (by far)
-In general, a team that doesn’t take a QB almost always either recently traded for a good veteran or drafted a “franchise” QB within 3 years.
-Only twice has a team needed a QB and passed with the #1 overall (in the last 30 years). these 2 times there were horrible QB classes. like in 1985 when the bills passed on bruce smith. there was only one QB who started more than a couple seasons in that draft. that QB was bernie Kosar. kosar was a supplamental pick. probably the 2nd best QB from that draft was frank reich, taken by the bills (who had also traded for a decent veteran QB in the offseason.
-There were also 2 times that a team did not have the “Franchise” guy (young guy, face of franchise kind of guy).
-in 1996, the jets acquired the hot FA QB Neil O’Donnell in the offseason. he was heading into his prime and coming off a season where he threw for almost 3,000 yards and had a QB rating of about 88. he was a 5 year starter with the steelers and put up good numbers his whole career.
-In 2008 the Miami Dolphins took Jake long. they did not have that “franchise” QB yet. however they traded for an elite QB in his prime. this QB was chad pennington. whatever anyone will say about pennington, when he was healthy he was lights out. he had been injured the year before for about half the season but 2 years before that, he started all 16 games which was rare for him. He was a major injury risk so the dolphins took chad henne in the 2nd round. this honestly makes perfect sense rather then getting a QB with the first pick. the team already had acquired a temporary face for the franchise in pennington. yes he was an injury risk but drafting a QB in the first would be dumb, because if pennington was healthy (which he was that year) then you are paying a guy loads of money that the #1 gets just to sit on the bench. Henne was a guy that would be more of a bargain and would take a little time to develop, but that is what they wanted.
lets look at the Rams…their QB options IMO are the worst in the league. you have 3 QBs.
1. Marc Bulger. I think bulger always benefitted from having elite WRs like tory holt and being in the Mike Martz offense. once those were gone his numbers were extremely pedestrian (compared to pro bowl before). he had one good season without martz but the next season (2007) the team was losing players left and right. Orlando pace was on the decline and wasn’t the elite player to protect the blindside he once was, holt was declining, and bruce was completely tailing off. even steven jackson regressed a little. he didn’t have the ridiculous amount of support he once had.
2. Kyle Boller. 2 words WASHED UP. he is a former first round pick but he has been bad as a QB. when bulger went down, boller was even worse. he has never been able to make good decisions or lead an offense.
3. Keith Null. null might be good some day but he was a 6th round rookie who played against DII defenses. the guy might eventually be good but the level of competition between the DII lone star conference and the NFL is like from jumping straight from a small HS to the majors in baseball without spending time in the minors. there is a significant learning curve b/c of his conference and it showed with a 49 passer rating. my personal opinion of him is he is doomed never to be good b/c his position coach in college was ryan leaf…
in conclusion…any mock draft that has the Rams NOT taking a QB I will ridicule. and if they somehow are right and the rams do NOT take a QB (which is highly unlikely) then I will ridicule the rams…because really…they desperately need a QB…NO MORE KYLE BOLLER.
by bross09 on Feb 5, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wowzers.
Mocking the Draft: Your NFL Draft source.
by Mocking Dan on Feb 5, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First off, I don't know what MTD's guidelines are, but if you make a really long post,
can you post something in the subject line so I can choose to collapse what you say?
Suh is quite possibly the best defensive prospect in the last 20+ years.
Perhaps the Rams are not sold on Clausen or Bradford at QB, if that’s the case, you don’t take the guy #1.
There are no trade downs in this mock draft (as in most mocks), therefore if the Rams really wanted a QB, perhaps they would trade down, however that is not possible in this given scenario.
The Rams could possibly trade/sign for Vick, McNabb, Rosenfels, etc. And sorry to be rude, but by ridiculing any mock that doesn’t have Clausen/Bradford first, I’m sorry to say, just shows how narrow minded and stubborn you are.
by LantermanC on Feb 5, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not that its never happend but i have never seen a DT take over games in the nfl.
i would go with the QB if i had such a need.
by Troy O on Feb 5, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You must not have watched football very long.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
its quite possible that he is the best Defensive in the draft but that is all just speculation.
You could easily argue that coming out, warren sapp was just as good, if not better.
I am not narrow minded and stubborn at all for that. history shows that QBs go number 1 in the draft. the first overall pick decides the whole draft.
take a look at draft history. there have only been twice in the past 30 years that a team needed a QB, drafted #1, and didn’t take one. in both drafts, the highest a QB went (or was projected) was about 15. 1985 and 1980 were some of the worst QB drafts in the last 30 years.
when you look at other drafts in history, teams that didn’t draft a QB normally had a QB drafted in the first couple rounds that had been drafted within the past few years (or they had traded for a QB in his prime).
sorry I forgot to put a subject line.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Suh
Suh is a great player, but I think it is a bit much to label him a sure thing. Two knee surgeries and 300 lbs. is not a comfortable match.
by ct17 on Feb 5, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Glennn Dorsey + Bo Polini effect on Suh should be looked at
Dorsey was this indestructible force on the LSU line.
He’s good…position switches and some injuries have limited him a bit..but I wouldn’t call him the greatest thing since sliced bread like he’s being made out to be.
He’s not overrated
…But Jimmy Clausen is horrifically underrated by entirely too many people.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saw him play in HS and in College
Hes good, but to say horrifically underrated is a horrific exaggeration.
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Feb 7, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rams desperately need a lot of things
A QB would be a complete wash right now. They have no chance to compete until they build up there talent over several seasons. Neither Clausen or Bradford are clean #1s, in many years they would be second tier, but this is a weak QB class, so they are on top. The D-line talent is elite and deep in this class. If I was a rams fan I would hope that they trade down to get more talent. Given the constraints of this mock, i would take the best talent available. Suh is much more talented at his position then either Clausen or Bradford.
by stufr on Feb 5, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would it?
they drafted Jason Smith to protect a QB, so why not get one?
I don’t understand all this underrating of Clausen. What exactly has he dont to not be worthy of the #1 overall?
Matt Stafford seems like he was worth the #1 overall pick. He did not have a junior campaign like Clausen.
Clausen may not have Stafford’s cannon arm, but he’s got plenty strength on it, also, he’s a whole lot more accurate then Stafford.
I agree, given that within the top 3, it seems that the Rams could move down to #3 and still get Clausen (and pick up a pick or 2), but they need to get Clausen.
How many times are they gonna draft a defensive lineman in the first round before they get it?
For real…people used to rip the Lions for drafting WR in the first round…is there any real difference for the Rams if they draft Suh?
The Rams, even if Suh pans out (kinda like Calvin Johnson) will continue to be a joke of a franchise.
The Lions new regime finally “got it”. Will the Rams? (and I doubt Spags wants anyone but a Franchise QB…since he’s been in the NFL that’s the motto of his teams).
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Suh pick is more of a limitation of the mock for me
I think that they have to trade back. Pick up an extra 3 picks in the first 3 rounds.
by stufr on Feb 5, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's going to trade with them?
I’m sure a ton of teams in the top 10 would love to trade back, but they’re not going to get anything near equal value in return.
by ninjasocks on Feb 5, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say denver for Marshall and some picks
I don’t anybody will trade for straight picks that make it worth it
by stufr on Feb 5, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall plus an extra 3 picks in the first 3 rounds?
I think its more likely that a trade would involve a player than a just picks, but I’m not sure how likely a trade is from the #1. The cost in terms of salary and picks is just too great in most cases to trade down from the top 5 spots. I think a lot of teams would like to trade down, but there probably aren’t a lot of teams looking to trade up (in the top 5 or so).
by ninjasocks on Feb 6, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bucs are a good bet to do it.
I don’t think its known whether they prefer Berry, Suh or McCoy…but they can get any of the above obviously…but they are close enough to trade up to ensure they got one.
Not sure the cost, but I don’t think it’d be a gigantic haul of picks (maybe just one of their 2nd rounders?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think they value one of those guys that much more than the others
To pay more in salary and give up a high 2nd-round pick? I’m not saying that a trade would be impossible, but I don’t think there’s enough difference in value to make it likely.
by ninjasocks on Feb 6, 2010 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the Bucs do have some solid DB's on the squad
so that could mean that they don’t see Eric Berry necessary.
DT they got some players as well, but I’d think they got Suh or McCoy above absolutely everything, so yea, maybe they do have either one of those so high that they trade a pick.
Would it be one of their 2nd rounders? Not sure, but they could.
I’m sure the Bucs are praying that the Rams get Clausen (really…the Rams should be praying they get Clausen…) cuz then they either get Suh, McCoy or Berry, choice of 2 of the 3.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are in love with this guy
How many QB’s have been busts in the first round?
Building a solid D first is always the better option.
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Feb 7, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
riiiight.
Actually…I can’t stand ND and hate Clausen, but I respect his abilities.
How many QB’s have been busts?
How many DT’s in the top 10 have been busts? How many have panned out?
Most teams that build their defense….don’t do it with a high profile top overall pick, just so you know.
You get the QB first, protect the QB…then fill in with the defense.
There’s 7 rounds. IF you can’t find good defensive players in the middle rounds, your team’s gonna stink anyway.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 7, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Than?
Why do you have a hard on for him? All I have read is why people should draft him.
Sure, it is the era of the QB with all the new rules. Can’t even sneeze on a QB without a 15 yard penalty.
I noticed you mentioned Stafford and Detroit. He had a fine season didn’t he?
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Feb 7, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry on the double post!!! Internet browser pulled a quick one on me
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Feb 7, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Than?
Why do you have such a hard on for this guy?
Sure it is the era of the QB, but I see no reason why you would pick a QB over the plethora of D talent available in the first round.
Defense wins championships right? I rather have Suh than Clausen any day. Why? Because if you EVEN sneeze on a QB you get a 15 yarder. It leads me to believe that more and more QB’s are going to find success because of all the new rules. So why waste a pick on a QB in the first round when you can get a solid defensive addition and pick up another QB later on?
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Feb 7, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t matter if a QB is well protected if he can’t hit a receiver
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 7, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not many protected QB's that don't hit WR's...
Actually, I can’t think of one. There is a high correlation between a good line and a QB doing well.
Rodgers though was anomaly on that…
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Feb 9, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how many Defensive players (esp. DTs have been a bust)
have you ever heard of johnothan sullivan? 6th overall pick, played 3 seasons…DT
-Dewayne robertson: same draft as sullivan…also out of the NFL within 5 seasons
-yeah, carlos rogers and pacman jones have not been busts as defensive players…
-Michael huff has been great too, right?? he hasn’t been benched the last 2 years on a horrible raiders team, right??
-amobi akoye is a superstar too, right??
-Ryan Sims, Jamal Reynolds, and Gerard warren are great too, right??
the point is, that for every jamarcus russell you can mention there is a carson palmer. for every alex smith there is an eli manning.
the same for defensive players. for every mario williams, there is a jamal reynolds. for every john henderson or kevin williams there is a ryan sims or dewayne robertson. for every sean taylor there is a michael huff.
it would be assinine to try to say that defensive players do not bust like QBs, and do not bust at anywhere near a similar rate. most of the DTs taken in the top 5-10 since 2000 have been busts. a much larger percentage in fact than QBs taken there.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rams will still be a joke of a franchise if they select Clausen.
Their rebuilding will take years. Get talent where you can get it. They won’t get another shot at a Suh next year, but they will get a shot at a top-rated quarterback next year.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what they thought last year didn't they?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 7, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that I'm following...
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They passed on Sanchez
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 7, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what that would have to do with passing on a talent like Suh.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Passed on Sanchez to get Smith
they pass on Clausen to get Suh?
Next year….there’s zero guaranteed who’s in the draft. Last year, Lion fans didnt’ want Stafford because they thought this season would be littered with elite QB prospects.
Its got everything to do with passing on Suh, who believe it or not, doesn’t walk on water.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 8, 2010 7:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you. teams rarely pass once on a franchise QB when needed, It is almost a statistical impossibility that it happens twice.
I agree with you on Suh. I am extremely high on him as a prospect but that high positional value matters (because you do not want to pay a guy tons of money who might be elite but still does not make a huge impact b/c of his position).
I mean look at their QBs
1. Boller. they have a complete first round bust they signed in FA that has just been a flop everywhere he goes (and although I am biased against notre dame, clausen is a better prospect by far coming out than boller)
2. Bulger. bulger was a product of the mike martz system. his last great season was the last hurrah for Isaac bruce as a player (who has since been crap), a career year for steven jackson, the last year of the mike martz offense, and the peak year for Holt…also, that was the last year olando pace made any impact…he just had the pieces around him, he was no good.
3. Keith Null: Null was a 6th rounder out of DII. he should not have been starting. jumping from DII to NFL is like jumping from high school directly to the pros in MLB (no time in minors) and you are not even an elite talent either (Null is No A-Rod)…also, fun fact: Nulls position coach at college was ryan leaf…bad omen for him.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time there was a "clean #1" QB?
Picking QBs is always something of a crapshoot, but most Pro Bowl QBs come from the first round.
by ninjasocks on Feb 5, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eli Manning
there hasn’t been in awhile but Eli Manning, Palmer, Vick and Carr were all consensus #1 overall QB’s in the last 10 years
by microwave donut on Feb 5, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just about always
Derek Anderson was a pro bowler, but that was a fluke and those were dumb voters.
-Romo was Undrafted (but he went to a small school and most of the NFL passed on him…(but I still stand by that romo is a little overrated)
-David Garrard was a 4th rounder. he is good, and a pro bowler but nothing special
-Brees was the first pick in the 2nd (I am letting it slide a bit) and only b/c he was an inch too short. if he was an inch taller, he would have likely been top 20
-Marc Bulger in the 6th (SYSTEM QB)
but the point of this is that very rarely do you find a good QB outside the first.
people call QB a bust position in the first and point to Russell and Alex Smith. when you look at it though, QBs seem to have a higher rate than other positions in the first round of going to the pro bowl. they also have a significanly lower rate outside of the first (take away brees).
Kudos for the packers in taking Kampman over craig Nall. nall was a career backup at best and kampman is a great player.
look at the guys drafted in the 5th round and later that ended up being good…
DA-Fluke
Bulger-System QB.
It is hard to trust guys that are drafted there and end up performing well (because of what has happened with both bulger and DA)
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
System QB?
Or just not protected with no one to throw too?
The guy got banged up this year with a rotating line of new faces.
Walsh proved, heck even the Patriots proved, most QB’s are system products.
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Feb 9, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at the same time, once mike martz left, his QB rating zoomed down into the 90s. even when pace was still adewquate as a starter a few years ago, bulger was crap. he still had holt for a while and was sucky. once martz left, and bruce wasn’t great, he was crap. pace and holt were still there but pace was not elite anymore, but still solid…
please don’t tell me though that bulger is actually good??
by bross09 on Feb 9, 2010 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, good.
Certainty not elite or top notch.
And I don’t attribute too much to Martz either. Obviously he is good, but he isn’t great. So it was a combination of good athletes, good QB and a great WR with a good line. Sounds like success to me.
If Manning got sacked 40+ times a year would he be putting up the numbers he did? Same with Brady, Brees, etc.
Like I said, most QB’s are system QB’s. And I do not see anything wrong with that. It doesn’t diminish their abilities but rather shows that certain QB’s flourish in certain situations. Warner = bad w/ Giants, HoF w/ Cards. Brees good w/ Chargers, elite w/ Saints…
They are who we thought they were!
by Jessesb on Feb 10, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but look at history.
my point is history. history repeats itself.
this is a much stronger QB draft that the 2 times in the last 30 years that a QB was needed and NOT drafted #1 overall. those times, there was a QB projected in the top 20 in 1980 (and went 15) and then there was an early second rounder in ’85 taken with a supplamental pick before the 2nd. I would put a lot of money on the fact that even colt mccoy would be a better player than marc wilson, the QB drafted 15th…
also, looking back, those 2 years the teams drafted a RB and DE (HOFer Bruce Smith and Billy Sims who would have been great if he had not had an unfortunate knee injury). by teams, these positions are considered to be more of an impact position than QB. QBs are the most common position to be drafted in the top 5. then there are LTs, then RBs because these positions make the most impact on the game. after those positions, the next most common positions are WR and DE. these positions make a large impact on the game as well. also around WR and DE (drafted around the same amount) are LBs (not including Rush LBs in a 3-4). then it is probably DTs and then CBs and safeties and then interior line.
positional value based on how often drafted in top 5
1. QB
2. LT
3. RB
4. DE
5. WR (it would be higher if I gave millen more credit for reaching for bad WRs)
6tie. DT
6tie. CB
7. S
8. TE
9. G/C
there is also a large dropoff between 5 and 6. the top 5 are consistently drafted high in the top 5 whereas DT and CB are not as common in the top 5. even an elite DT will not always go in the top 5. this is because there is much less value placed on DTs by GMs.
in conclusion, suh just won’t go #1.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is an argument for the idea that the Rams will be in a position to take a top 3 pick next year.
And perhaps a shot at another elite quarterback prospect. How often do you get a chance to draft a Suh? They will not get that chance next year.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you sure?
what about Robert Quinn? Could be the next LT?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 7, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LT?
Robert Quinn is a DE.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhh...what?
ohh!!
Maybe you mix him up with Ladanian Tomlinson.
I’m talking about LT fron UNC. The real LT.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 7, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the ONLY LT. I know you are a giants fan but I agree…
Tomlinson is great but the only one that deserves that nickname is the first true LT. tomlinson will never be as great as LT…
(I just thought of something funny. the emergence of LT and how he totally changed defense led to the focus on the position of Left Tackle, sometimes called LT)
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t pass on a guy b/c where you MIGHT draft next year. GMs just don’t do that. it relies on too much variables and speculation.
at the same time, maybe a guy emerges next year where we say the same thing. they draft #1 and are urged again (if they drafted suh) not to take a QB.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that Okung to the Skins is a slam dunk
I see it in almost every mock, but Shanahan drafted a grand total of 4 offensive linemen on the first day (rounds 1-3) in 13 seasons with the Broncos.
Shanahan has the thinking that in his zone blocking scheme, he can get offensive line talent anywhere. He probably won’t take one that high unless they are far and away the best player. If Okung is, I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade down.
by microwave donut on Feb 5, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s good knowledge. I didn’t know that about the 4 1st day OL in 13 years.
Mocking the Draft: Your NFL Draft source.
by Mocking Dan on Feb 5, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard to predict trades in a mock.
I do see it as a possibility that shanahan will trade down. if he takes an O-Lineman when trading down, I think he would take Trent Williams. williams doesn’t have elite strength or elite pass blocking technique but he is perfect for zone blocking. he is big, has long arms, is extremely athletic, has good movement, good instincts, and is a ballerina out there (with balance). all these skills fit well into a zone blocking scheme.
by bross09 on Feb 5, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
broncos vs. redskins
The difference between Shanahan with Washington and Shanahan with Denver is that in Denver he started with several good lineman. Denver had perennial all-pros in Zimmerman and Nalen, and Habib was an above-average guard. He also already had a franchise QB in Elway. So he could afford to groom replacements with late-round picks.
Washington has tackle trouble, an old RB, and an unknown QB situation. So it is hard to predict where he will go.
by ct17 on Feb 5, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's more like 5
Ryan Clady, Ryan Harris, Dan Neil, George Foster, Lennie Friedman.
In my mind you can’t compare the two situations, yes he doesn’t take offensive lineman high often, but has he ever had a offensive line this bad before? I don’t think so, I think Okung is a legit possibility due to that.
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by tj.hendricks on Feb 5, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He could, the Broncos took Clady a couple years ago. I’m just saying that EVERYONE has the redskins pegged for an OL or QB, where I could see them going a lot of directions.
by microwave donut on Feb 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was mostly Alex Gibbs' input with the O-line.
Even after he left, the ZBS was utilized in Denver, and they continued to go with later-round draft choices.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clausen
I think that if Clausen falls that far, like Quinn, you will see someone trade up from the top of the 2nd to get him, like Quinn. Given the fact that it is hard to separate the top corners and receivers, I would think Atlanta-Houston-Cincy may be amenable in your mock. After Bryant, the #2 WR is a big mystery. And the Pats are always looking to trade down.
by ct17 on Feb 5, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Clausen falls that far, I'm going to feel bad as a Seahawks fan for taking Bradford #6.
by LantermanC on Feb 5, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IF Clausen falls that far
I will be pissed the Bears traded for Jay Cutler.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Feb 5, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see PC taking a spread QB with his first ever pick
I don’t want Clausen, but at least I believe that its possible
by stufr on Feb 5, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Pete is a pro st guy. I think he takes Clausen over Bradford
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by WE ARE SC on Feb 6, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at my profile picture, you’ll love it.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 6, 2010 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh; What do you mean? God luvs the Trojans.
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by WE ARE SC on Feb 6, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Kelly will kill your ass clown of a coach
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 7, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He must have a "schematic advantage"
LMFAO. Dude talks cheap, they play the game on the field, not on the blog.
Banned from BN and proud of it
by WE ARE SC on Feb 7, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still have trouble understanding why people call Bradford a spread quarterback.
Only 60% of his passing plays were in shotgun formation.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m happy with any draft that has Iupati going to the Steelers. He ought to be a monster.
"I'm glad I got drafted first, because no one remembers number two." -- Alexandre Daigle
by Hooks Orpik on Feb 5, 2010 2:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dan Williams to Denver at 10/11
Would be a huge reach, and a major mistake.
by Sayre Bedinger on Feb 5, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He could be gone before that...
how is that a reach around?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Tebow at 10/11 isn't?
C’mon, man. Williams wouldn’t be THAT much of a reach.
"I'm a Michigan Wolverine, which means I'm the only one who watches 'Rudy' hoping he pulls a hamstring or pops a quad." - Rich Eisen
by Rob4Braves on Feb 5, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t the Broncos shock everyone by taking Knowshon Moreno last year? I know they shocked me. So is it really out of question that they take Dan WIlliams?
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Feb 5, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And with the 32nd (31st?) pick the Colts...
Go sprinting to the podium with the name BRUCE CAMPBELL on their card. Very unlikely that he falls that far. I would not be surprised to see Campbell go #8 to the Raiders.
by invisibulman on Feb 5, 2010 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
no way the vikings draft odrick.. no way he goes to anyone in the first
by hatethenate on Feb 5, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Odrick very well could go in the first round. He can playe DE in the 3-4 so teams like New England, New York, San Diego could all give him a look. I think if Denver trades down that he could be a candidate.
Why do you think he isn’t a 1st rounder?
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Feb 5, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Clausen falls, there is no way Denver takes him.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 5, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
QB is not their biggest need. There are a number of different positions that the Broncos would take at 10/11 before they take a QB
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They had Jake Plummer didn't they?
then took Cutler even tho they had bigger needs?
You honestly think they pass on a Franchise QB when Kyle Orton as their QB?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was with a completely different staff.
I seriously doubt that McDaniels will do that. Now, Shanny with the redskins…… who knows?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, McD already got his QB of the future. Watch for Tom Brandstater to come in later this year or next year.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Orton or Tom Brandstater...
vs. Jimmy Clausen.
OK.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, think of it this way.
Assuming we did draft Clausen, he wouldn’t start his first year. It would be Orton, Brandstater and Clausen on the depth chart, in that order. So, Clausen wouldn’t even be the backup, in that case, because Brandstater has already had a year to digest the system (not to mention that he is a really smart guy, getting his masters degree already while playing football).
So, with McDaniels complicated New England system, we have a guy in Orton who is going into his second year of the system and Brandstater who is going into his second year of the system. Who do you think McD would rather have? Another rookie QB to hold a clipboard on the sidelines or an OG, center, MLB, DT, or DE that he could put in right away that could help the Broncos win right away? If anything, he is going to get a guy who can go in right away and IF (that’s a big if) he picks a QB, it won’t be in the first round.
It just doesn’t make sense to take a first round QB for the Broncos. I think that we either get a veteran QB in free agency to take the spot of Chris Simms or we take a late round QB and let Brandstater be the number two, putting the rookie as number 3.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing....
McDaniels learned everything he knows from Charlie Weis, who was Clausen’s college coach. Clausen is not Sam Bradford. Clausen’s grown up in an NFL offensive scheme and pretty much mastered it.
Brandstater…aside from the idea 6th round, tall QB so he must be the next Brady delusion….is not gonna be the next Brady. They might be high on him….but the guy was a 6th round pick for a reason, he’s not in Clausen’s class (Clausen’s not a dummy BTW…)
I doubt that Brandstater, even as a 2nd year QB, is farther in any development then Clausen would be.
Clausen is as much a franchise QB as any QB in recent drafts. I don’t understand why he’s underrated so much, but the guy should be the #1 pick if the Rams have any clue what they are doing.
I would not be surprised if they draft him (in the highly unliked situation he falls)
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the Rams have lots more holes than a "franchise QB" could fix, anyways.
They aren’t one piece away from being a serviceable team.
Since neither of us are inside the Broncos meeting rooms or on the practice field, we can’t speculate and say how far Brandstater is in development. I never said that Clausen was a dummy, by the way. I just meant that Brandstater should be able to pick up the offense and he has all the tools that it takes to be an NFL QB.
All of his issues were fixable with quality coaching. One thing is for certain, he has more physical tools than Orton does. So, we’ll see. I am not saying that he will be the next Brady, but I think that he can be a starter in the NFL, especially given McDaniel’s track record with late round quarterbacks (Brady, Cassel).
Regardless, McDaniels comes from the Patriots tree, who doesn’t like drafting first round QBs. If he picks a QB AT ALL, it will be in the back half of the draft. So, I would be very surprised if they took Clausen.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard about a team with 'more holes then a franchise Qb' can fix
last year, the Lions. Stafford’s doing just fine and maybe the Lions might finally be relevant?
I’m not denying that Mcdaniels can ‘work his magic’ with Brandstater.
Tho Brady wasn’t really McDaniels..he was Charlie Weis’ project (like Clausen).
I don’t understand this Patriots “motto” thing. They didn’t draft a QB in round one cuz they had Brady. Drew Bledsoe before that for all those years…he was the #1 overall pick.
The greatness of Brady’s ‘story’ shouldn’t be underrated, its rare and its not just cuz of Weis or McDaniels. Cassel remains to be seen if he’s a success…one year doesn’t mean he’s gonna be a great QB.
We’ll see. I agree, no one knows what they’re gonna do. But while McDaniels seems to like getting more out of less…sometimes getting more out of more is not a bad idea.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cassel situation only helps McD's legacy.
The fact that he took a guy who hadn’t started a game since high school and coached him to an 11-5 finish after Brady went down is pretty outstanding.
You’re right, though. It remains to be seen. Certainly, free agency will answer a lot of questions. If we end up getting a QB in free agency, then that will really eliminate any need for a QB. We might take some linemen. Who knows? We’ll have a much clearer picture in a few months.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That post is full of BS. Bradanstater is ’’’’ compared to Clausen on his worst day
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 6, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, neither QB has played a down in a regular season NFL game. So, that might be overstepping your bounds.
Brandstater looked amazing in the preseason and has had a full season of NFL practice against some of the best in the game (Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins and Elvis Dumervil). Clausen hasn’t.
Certainly, as college prospects, Clausen is a better prospect than Brandstater was. However, the one thing that we can say about the draft is that a player drafted in the first round is not always going to end up being the best NFL player. Ryan Leaf? Tim Couch? Jamarcus Russel?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hate talking to Bronco fans. HOMERS
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 6, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Homer?
Did I say something about us going to the superbowl next year? I don’t recall that.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You said Bradanstater is the future at QB.
If he was, I think he would be ahead of Simms on the depth chart. Or is he a franchise guy too…?
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 6, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a rookie QB.
Looking at it from a week 1 perspective, why would they put him ahead of Chis Simms who has started in four different seasons? Now, obviously, McD was hoping Orton could play without being injured, but Simms was the QB who had been in the Broncos building for the longest (since March). He had more time to learn than any of the other QBs, so it made sense for him to be the number 2.
When he did come in, he played like he was still scared of getting hit, which is a very bad thing when your interior offensive line is not playing well.
So, I’m fairly confident that Brandstater technically was the number two after the second San Diego game. They didn’t make the change on the depth chart, though, because they don’t switch the depth chart, publicly, throughout the season.
If you notice, the depth chart still had Marshall listed as the number 1 receiver during week 17, even though he wasn’t playing.
I’d be extremely surprised and disappointed if Chris Simms is still on the Broncos sideline next season. I’d expect us to cut him or trade him in a month or so and then either get a free agent QB or draft one in the later rounds.
So, just because I said that Brandstater should come into the starting job in a year or two, that makes me a homer? That doesn’t make sense. Do you call John Clayton a homer when he gives his opinion on who will win a QB controversy? That doesn’t make sense.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 7, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the Rams don’t a new QB, Null is the future there.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 7, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you totally went there TRSS…
I was just about to say that when he dropped the “6th round” comment..
I also looked at brandastar’s stats and they are pretty pedestrian. not a good completion #, not more than 2,700 yards any of his 3 starting seasons…not a good TD-INT ratio, and never threw for more than 18 TDs.
Null isn’t much worse…except I believe null will be cursed b/c his position coach was ryan leaf.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just read this from the Denver Post
Bowlen revealed the plan is for Kyle Orton to remain the Broncos’ quarterback, but the team hopes toanother quarterback in the upcoming draft
It doesn’t mention in which round but just maybe if Bradford/Clausen fall and impress the front office enough they can be the pick.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Feb 8, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is also talk of the Broncos going after McNabb, which would mean we don't need another QB.
So, who knows? I still don’t see us taking one in the first round. I’d be pretty surprised.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was RB their biggest need last year?
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Feb 6, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it depends on if you think losing 8 running backs during one season to IR classifies as a "need".
Considering we had to bring Tatum Bell out of the mall where he was selling cell phones and slap a broncos uniform on him, I’d say that we could certainly use some help at RB…..
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point
I just remember last year Knowshon Moreno was a big shock to some including me.
What exactly makes Brandstater the QB of the future? Has McDaniels said something? or just the fact he was drafted?
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Feb 6, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was a shock to a lot of broncos fans, but after analyzing it, it made sense.
Brandstater appears to be the QB of the future because of the way he performed in the preseason when Orton was hurt. He was making Brandon Lloyd look like Brandon Marshall in that game.
Sure, it was a small sample size of action, but he was going against the starting defense of the Arizona Cardinals, who were desperately trying to get a win in the preseason.
McDaniels hasn’t said anything about Brandstater, other than the fact that he is progressing well. One can put two and two together, though. It’s just a matter of him learning the system and having more experience studying NFL defenses and he should be alright.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
"I think we’re past that. I love the city of Denver. I started there and I’d like to finish there." - Brandon Marshall at the 2010 Pro Bowl
by kentuckybronco on Feb 6, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So if Brandstater is the QB of the “future”
Is Nate Davis the future for San Francisco?
Is Rhett Bomar the future for the Giants?
Is Stephen McGee the future for the Cowboys?
All those guys were taken before Brandstater.
I’m not trying to be an ass. I apologiz if I’m coming off that way, I just don’t get the “no way we take Bradford”. Especially when the Denver front office already shocked people their first go around.
McShay, Todd McShay you hear me boy? It's me TJ and I'm coming for your damn job boy! Oh be scared, be very scared McShay.
by tj.hendricks on Feb 6, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like Suh #1. He might be the best player in the draft, but I dont think he gets taken there.
That’s reserved for Claussen or Bradford (Claussen first)
by Owner on Feb 5, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
3rd
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
St.Louis should have bitten the bullet and drafted Ryan then. But at that time they believed in Bulger.
Miami had Pennington and got henne in the top of the 2nd round.
He makes a good point about St.Louis needing a QB now.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 5, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but have you seen that team? They need everything but MLB.
Chris Long is not Kong Suh.
by LantermanC on Feb 5, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They've already spent 2 DL picks in the past couple of years
Long and Carriker (don’t even think he’s in the league anymore).
I’m not saying its possible that Suh is worse than those players, but 3 top picks on 3 DL in 5 years (or so) …yeah, that doesn’t seem so smart.
by Owner on Feb 5, 2010 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not with Bulger's contract at the time.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, that was rhetorical.
Ryan got selected 3rd, and people didn’t bash it because Jake Long is a stud. Matt Ryan turned out to be a probable pro bowler, but that doesn’t make the Jake Long pick bad.
by LantermanC on Feb 5, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No they didn't bash it because everyone believed Bulger was a top Qb in 2007
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 5, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at the same time, the Dolphins did not have a need at QB and someone to be the face of the franchise like the Falcons did. Teams that pass on a QB at number 1, historically either recently acquired a talented veteran QB in free agency or recently drafted a QB in the first 2 rounds. Miami had done both in Pennington and John Beck.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Miami Dolphins. before the draft, the dolphins had acquired chad pennington. when healthy, pennington was a pro bowler and was still in his prime. he had also been more consistently healthy the last 2 seasons than he ever had been (though still not completely healthy). it would be dumb and a waste of money to draft a QB #1. it would also somewhat create a QB contraversay in the media and with the fans. instead they went out and got an elite LT to protect their QB. they had already drafted a QB too in the 2nd round the year before (John Beck) and then acquired another 2nd round QB in chad henne. they had enough youth at QB (even without Henne you could argue that).
2. Rams-Idiotically they still had faith in Marc Bulger. I have believed that bulger for a while was overrated and it has now shown. It doesn’t make sense in a GMs eye to bail on a player who was good for a while b/c he has one or 2 mediocre seasons.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo, Denver, Jags, and 49rs all pass on Jimmy Clausen.
If that is true then Clausen must not be a first round QB at all. Everything written and scouted on him is a lie. I would think any of these teams would rather have a #1 QB than anyone else you have them taking.
If the Vikes don’t move up to 25 and take Clausen I will have to go eat Rhubarb or something else to make me SICK!!!!!!
Odrick is best suited for a 3-4 defense I think. Vikes play a 4-3.
I think we will take Weatherspoon or Donavan here. Greg Hardy is a possibility if he rates high enough.
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by lifelongvike on Feb 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
haha, Jimmy clausen in Jax would be very funny
Its a interesting scenario
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 5, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a guy who was mocked to go #1 goes to us
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 5, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You would take him if available, correct?
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by lifelongvike on Feb 5, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a QB to groom,
though I don’t think he gets out of the top 10. He would be the BAP. It could happen. Though we have passed top 10 QBs before (Brady Quinn).
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 6, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do we need help at safety?
I’m not saying we would pass up an elite safety prospect in the first, but which safety would you like to replace and why? (this is not a rhetorical question)
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
we being the Cowboys
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 5, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think this will happen. I read the thread and I do agree somewhat with what flounder was saying about hamlin.
I actually did a mock I have yet to post on here. in this mock, I have the cowboys taking Mays. I did not to it at all b/c it was the biggest need, sometimes you have to know how the guy in charge picks. with jerry jones, if mays is still there, it is likely he picks him.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Hamlin
He is the Achilles heel of the Cowboys defense. Hamlin is what keeps Dallas from having the best defense in the league. On that note Taylor Mays will NOT be a Dallas Cowboy. His is a faster version of Roy Williams. All hit no cover. Bruce Campbell is the pick at 27!
by Flounder69 on Feb 5, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor Mays is a younger more athletic version of Hamlin
If Mays showed more balls skills this year, he would be a lock in the top 10. But he showed a tendancy to be more of a hitter like Hamlin.
by stufr on Feb 5, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor Mays is nothing like Hamlin
Mays is much bigger and stronger, and Hamlin is better in coverage and is a FS not a SS like Mays.
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 5, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin is not much of a cover guy
Thats why the Seahawks let him go. He makes the big hit and plays the run well. He doesn’t cover well. His skill set is similar to Mays.
by stufr on Feb 6, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he has done a good job in coverage for us the past 3 years
He plays FS for us and he played SS for you guys.
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has 14 INT as a career total
He had 0 INT this year. He has never had a pick 6. Not a single one.
He is a good hitter, but he doesn’t provide much in center field.
by stufr on Feb 6, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a silly statistic to prove your point
I guess nnamdi asomugha sucks in coverage because he only had 1 int this year.
Hamlin has shown great range as a centerfielder. So I have no clue what you are talking about.
Fact of the matter is Hamlin has been more of a cover guy than a hitter here in Dallas. It was different in Seattle, but he obviously changed as a player since being in Dallas where he has played as FS whereas he played SS for you guys.
Furthermore, you haven’t seen him play on a consistent basis the past three years to make an accurate evaluation of him as a player. You are basing your entire assessment on him based on his time early in his career when he was a SS in Seattle.
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If a FS gets no INTs in a year there is something wrong
If he was still playing SS you could kinda explain it.
I don’t live in Seattle. I’m forced to watch Dallas play 6-9 times a year. He is good, but I would never think of him as cover first. He is a hitter.
by stufr on Feb 6, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Name the games this year where he got killed in coverage?
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin
Did not look good in either of the Giants games. The first one someone ran right by him. Sensabaugh had his ups and downs, so he could be the replacement target as well.
There are many Dallas fans posting here that want a safety. There is also much disagreement over whether a WR will be an early pick. Ogletree seems to be the variable in these discussions.
by ct17 on Feb 6, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we lost both Giants games this year
a lot of our players didn’t look good in either game, but I don’t recall Hamlins poor play standing out.
And your comment on Sensebaugh is silly. Most would agree that was a successful signing, and he should be signed long term as soon as possible. The fact that you think Sensi should be replaced, a statement that most Dallas observers would strongly disagree with, makes me question your evaluation of Hamlin.
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Name another starting FS who has 1 INT in the last 2 years?
by stufr on Feb 6, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Hamlin is not making the plays he should and I wouldn't mind replacing him
but he is not getting killed in coverage and he is not hurting our team
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2010 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and like I said before
low int total does not necessarily equal bad coverage. That is just absurd.
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Achilles heel how so?
I never see him get beat in coverage. Care to backup your assertions. Unlike tjdove who just makes wild and unfounded statements and doesn’t have the chops to back them up.
I’m disappointed with the fact he is not making plays like he should, but he is not hurting our defense per se. In fact Hamlin is the one lining up our secondary and calling out the plays. I wouldn’t mind him being replaced with a playmaker, but Hamlin is certainly not hurting our secondary.
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 5, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its true he doesn't hurt us
but 1 INT in the last 2 years is horrible… I wouldn’t want Mays but I can see where they thought of this pick
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 5, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see why we would draft a safety because of the lack of playmaking
but his thought process is wrong
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by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I do know is that Ken Hamlin allowed more TD's than any other safety between the years that he was drafted and released by the Seahawks.
I have a hard time imagining him to be more anchor than achilles heel for the Cowboys.
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by Carl Shinyama on Feb 7, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with Kyle Wilson as the 3rd CB selected
Perrish Cox is better and can return.
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by HudBaby on Feb 5, 2010 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is Cox better than Donavan or Robinson? If not that would make him 4th.
I think this is a deep pool of CBs this year.
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by lifelongvike on Feb 5, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After the senior bowl practices, many had Kyle Wilson as the #1 senior corner. If a team is set as far as the return game is considered then it isn’t out of question that a team take Wilson instead of Cox.
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by tj.hendricks on Feb 6, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson also returns punts. And is better at it than Cox.
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by Mocking Dan on Feb 6, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not trying to read too much into the stats but….
PERRISH COX
KR YDS AVG TD PR YDS AVG TD
2006 25 595 23.8 1 24 308 12.8 0
2007 31 665 21.5 1 17 188 11,1 1
2008 30 895 29.8 2 0 0 0 0
2009 31 649 20.9 0 19 198 10.4 1
Total 117 2804 23.9 4 60 694 11.5 2
KYLE WILSON
2006 0 0 0 0 1 3 3.0 0
2007 0 0 0 0 5 70 14.0 0
2008 0 0 0 0 33 470 14.2 3
2009 2 32 16.0 0 24 250 10.4 0
Total 2 32 16.0 0 63 793 12.5 3
I guess in punt returns it goes to Wilson barely, and we don’t know how well he could have done at kick returner but I give the edge to Cox in the return game.
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by tj.hendricks on Feb 6, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Clausen taking a big slide on draft day. Mock drafts love him because his production speaks for itself and there’s a vacuum at the top of the QB class, but reading between the lines of some of the more “scouty” types (e.g., Rob Rang, Mike Mayock, Scouts, Inc. (where he’s not even listed as a top 32 prospect)) suggest he might be one of those QBs where something just seems “off,” and he may not be as highly thought of by insider types as most might assume.
It happens, and if it does with Clausen, it won’t necessarily dictate how his career might turn out: Sometimes these types of guys turn into Brian Brohm and Brady Quinn, but they also sometimes turn into Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees.
Other things to consider: nearly every team with a QB black hole at the top also have a black hole at least as big on the o-line, specifically at LT. Washington, Seattle, Buffalo…
Also, this perhaps being the final draft shackling teams picking in the top 10 with absurd rookie contracts, teams might be more tempted to go for more of a “sure thing” than QB.
Now, could he go top 5 or even #1? Absolutely. Particularly in this QB class. But again, I don’t think a slide can be ruled out, either. I’d say Seattle is his most likely destination, though.
by jianfu on Feb 5, 2010 5:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He could slide on character. I wouldn’t be that surprised.
by microwave donut on Feb 5, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KEY POINT MADE ABOVE
“nearly every team with a QB black hole at the top also have a black hole at least as big on the o-line, specifically at LT. Washington, Seattle, Buffalo”
Yes. Every team that matches QB trouble with LT trouble are drafting in the Top 10. Great LTs in the top 10 – 1 – Joe Thomas, Cleveland. And while you may be able to call several of the QBs “good”, none of them were in Pro Bowl contention.
by ct17 on Feb 6, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine Clausen dropping to the Cardinals.
If he does it would not surprise me at all that they take him though. Leinart has a year to prove himself and as it currently stands there is one behind him. Third stringer St. Pierre is not expected back.
It would also not surprise me if they pass. There are a great many other needs. Depending on how they fill out the roster before draft day, they probably won’t need to draft a QB til the mid to late rounds.
by hadrarius on Feb 5, 2010 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Much better than V1.0
But some of the picks didn’t make sense. Claussen isn’t going to Arizona..I’m willing to bet my life on that, and why would Baltimore take a tight end…they already have pro-bowl caliber TE in Todd Heap. They need a WR!!!!
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by latif on Feb 5, 2010 7:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
mocks are hard to predict trades and i really think someone will trade back into the first if clausen starts to slide; what reciever should go in the first other than bryant
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by tjdove123 on Feb 5, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I talked with a few people Senior Bowl Week, interesting things said about him. Basicly made him out to be Ryan Leaf 2.0
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 5, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would like to hear what they said.
Is it his arm
Attitude,
Character,
Leadership’
Work ethics?
Nothing in print so far has him showing much weakness in any of these areas. Maybe there is some deep dark secret but I have a hard time believing it hasn’t come out to the public yet.
I’m not saying it isn’t true. I just don’t know what they mean by that statement.
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by lifelongvike on Feb 5, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's some lofty "praise" for Clausen.
I haven’t heard that “leaf” unturned on Clausen yet, so yea..I’d like to hear what was said.
I’ve heard that he’s cocky and can rub teammates the wrong way (pause?), but the “R” word?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 5, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he rubs his teammates the wrong way, why would he have been voted team captain by his TEAMMATES?
Not trying to sound like a jerk, I was just pointing it out.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 6, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz he's the QB?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Leaf was voted captain too
In college Ryan Leaf wasn’t even “Ryan Leaf” yet. He was really arogant and cocky, but he won WSU games and was a big deal to a team that had been down a long time. But if you asked the average student, he was an ass. I was at UW at the time and had several high school friends at WSU and they all thought he was an ass. As it turns out he was an ass who was emotionally unstable and addicted to pain killers. By all signs Clausen is a cocky, arrogant ass. That doesn’t mean he won’t win or succeed, its just something that a lot of teams try to stay away from.
by stufr on Feb 6, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could be...
but Phillip Rivers also seems that way. He’s good.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the point
There are lots of these guys in college who are complete asses and it works. They move to the pro’s and some of them make it work there too, but some of them flow because their egos doen’t mesh well with other NFL ego’s.
Teams spend a lot of time investigating character, its going to be a flag and I believe a negative on him. Thats based completely on rumor, but its been passed around enough and McShay wouldn’t say it unless he had heard it from scouts too.
by stufr on Feb 6, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was hit attitude. Basicly seems like the first time $hit hits the fan he's going to crack.
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 6, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He put up with a lot of ____ at ND.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 6, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see where people may think he’s cocky from his high school days showing up to his press conference in a stretch limo, but I have a hard time buying Ryan Leaf 2.0
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by tj.hendricks on Feb 6, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
safe picks
Last year the safe picks were Jason Smith (only 5 starts – at RT) and Curry (most penalized OLB in the league)
In 2008 the can’t-miss great safe pick was Dorsey
In 2007 probably Calvin Johnson – that one worked out
In 2006 it was Bush, and Leinart was the best QB
Which proves the “experts” don’t know any more than us fools.
The fact the Clausen gets so much attention on his flaws is actually the proof he deserves to be a very early (if not the 1st) pick.
by ct17 on Feb 5, 2010 11:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love the draft
that is why they call it an inexact science. Everyone is guarenteed to be at least 65% wrong…….at least.
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by tj.hendricks on Feb 6, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and maybe the fact that everyone praises suh is a bad sign.
by bross09 on Feb 8, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clausen Hater (Klaw sin heyt er)
-noun
1. A person who thinks Jimmy Clausen will be a bust mainly because of their hate for Notre Dame.
2. Someone who looks for anything somewhat negative about Jimmy Clausen, assumes it’s true, exaggerates it, and tells everyone he knows about it.
3. Someone who compares Jimmy Clausen to Ryan Leaf.
SYNONYMS: Notre Dame hater
ANTONYMS: Smart draft follower
Origin:
American, 2007
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 6, 2010 12:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Where do I fit in?
I hate Notre Dame, but like Clausen.
by ct17 on Feb 6, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate the Domers
But Clausen has skills. He’s a tough SOB. I wish him well; and think he will do ok.
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by WE ARE SC on Feb 6, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say I’m a hater but I do have a strong dislike for them, but I do seem to always overrate their players.
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by tj.hendricks on Feb 6, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clausen and the 49ers
This absolutely will not happen. We have larger issues than quarterback and Alex Smith played just well enough to justify getting another year to prove himself. Plus, if we draft Clausen, then we would have either a rookie or a 2nd year player (Nate Davis) as Smith’s primary backup. I like both of the picks in the mock, although something to keep an eye on is Nate Clements’ situation. He may slide to free safety, in which case Trent Williams could be our first pick and then either Kyle Wilson or Patrick Robinson our second pick.
by BSU_Alum07 on Feb 6, 2010 12:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Patriots haven't spent money on a first round QB in awhile. Doesn't sound like them to me.
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by lifelongvike on Feb 6, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
They had Bledsoe way back when..he was the starter until Brady.
Didn’t make much sense to draft a 1st rounder with Brady there, as he’s getting old it makes a lot of sense now.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Hoyer, 6'2",215lbs. Played in 4 games. 70% passing completions. 1 rushing TD.
Why would they go outside of what they do now. Brady, Cassell, Hoyer. I see them picking up an old pro (pennington) to back up Hoyer. For a team that trades out of the 1st round I see them building that defense back up with a first rounder this year.
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by lifelongvike on Feb 6, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They haven't been in position to draft a QB in the first round...is my point.
Brady aside from freak, Bernard Pollard injuries, is about as tough as a NFL QB can get, every bit as durable and tough to play through lingering injuries as the Mannings and Farve.
Its just not a big enough need to that Brady is at the point of his eventual replacement being needed. You usually don’t draft a QB in the first round unless you need it or are considering replacing your QB in the near future (like Rogers with Farve)
Hoyer…..is not enough of a reason for them to pass on Clausen if he’s there. They have a ton of other round picks too.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 6, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
QBs
Indy has not drafted a 1st round QB in years either. So I guess it must not be “their thing”.
I had to look up Drew Bledsoe’s draft position – can you believe it was 1993!
Hoyer was an extremely inconsistent college QB. Which is why one week Mich St. could knock off a top-10 ranked team, and lose to a .500 team the next week. He played well in the preseason, but not enough to hand him the keys to the franchise uncontested. If QB is a concern, it is hard to pass up a potential #1 pick at the end of the 1st round.
by ct17 on Feb 6, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know what your saying but do you really see NE paying first round money
for a Quarterback to sit on the bench for 3-4 years. Its just not their style. Their last 3 QBs have come in the back half of the draft. Nobody would draft a QB in the first part of the draft if they could consistently find and train a QB like NE does. I bet they keep doing it until it fails.
I repeat. Hoyer completed 70% of his passes in the four games he played.
Cassell had not started a game since high school.
Yes, I think they will give him the keys to the patriots car with an old guy as their backup if Brady gets hurt. They never panic.
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by lifelongvike on Feb 6, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your sample size is zero
NE has never drafted and developed a QB early because they never had to. Brady became the starter because of Bledsoe’s injury, it was not planned. Everyone since then has been drafted as clipboard holders. Emergency use only. No one drafts backups early.
I agree Hoyer has looked good. But he only threw 27 times this year.
If the Pats are concerned about Brady’s knee or age or think he is declining or think he is going to run off to join a hippie commune with his family, then they address the issue. Clausen is perfectly reasonable then. If they see Brady as their QB for the next several years, then they take a pass as you say.
by ct17 on Feb 7, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They never panic
And it’s disgusting.
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by Jessesb on Feb 7, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Every week you somehow manage to make your pick for the Bills worse.
I’m impressed!
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by UZ on Feb 6, 2010 3:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If the Bills pick Dez Bryant my head might literally explode. HYPERBOLE IS THE GREATEST! :-)
Seriously though, if the Bills don’t want Clausen at nine they should trade out and get a few more picks to transition to the 3-4 and take someone else. Bryant is more valuable to the Bills as trade bait on draft day IMO.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 6, 2010 7:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because Bills fans refuse to take an elite player from the draft. They would all rather trade down and get inferior talent to fill a perceived need then add a guy who could be an elite top end talent player in the league for years. Then they can bitch and moan about how they don’t get many guys going to the pro-bowl. That would be of course be because all their players are mediocre at best.
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by sireric on Feb 6, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I’m not disputing that Dez Bryant has talent. I think he can help the Bills more by being available because the Bills have about half a roster to fill spots on. If they are getting calls for a first and third or something like that they should take it, drop down, and get more guys.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2010 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again, lets add lesser player just to fill needs….
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by sireric on Feb 8, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Packers and O/T first round
For some reason, not sure why but there are very few offensive linemen picked in the first few round ever make it in the NFL. Seem as though most of the O-line men thaat make the real difference anre the ones picked in the later rounds of the draft. I think spending first round money on a lineman is notthe way to go. We have too many other needs to address and as I said the good o-linemen will be there. Seems as though we are getting older everywhere on the team. You may be right about this pick but I dont see it.
by graygoose41 on Feb 9, 2010 8:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
QB's in draft
1. Sam Bradford………. I dont see this one panning out as everyone thinks. He hasnt played a down since the surgery to his shoulder. He is going to be tentative and scared the first time someone like Jared aAllen sacks him. I dont see him doing well unless he is in a program where they an sit him and bring him along slowly as Green Bay was able to do with Rodgers.
2. Jimmy Clausen……. Clausen is a toss up he is eoither going to be a superstar or fall flat on his face. I believe in the later I dont think he has the football sense to make it at the pro level. He doesnt have the feel for the pass rush and hurries through his progressions when he has the patience to even go through them. Now not being a Notre Dame fan I haent watched him play much but when I have he jsut seems to go throught the motions and runs scared when he gets in tight positions. his accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. For the most part he doesnt have the arm strength to put the zip on the ball that is required for some throws in th NFL. I dont see hiim as anythign higher than 3rd or 4th round flyer with any team
by graygoose41 on Feb 9, 2010 8:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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