Formula for Drafting QB's
Good morning everyone on this wonderful Super Sunday. I hope your day has been enjoyable so far. The game has brought something to the forefront, the need for a franchise QB to be successful. Both teams have average run games, the Saints have a decent ground attack, not on the same caliber as a team like Carolina or the Jets, but very serviceable. The Colts are just bad on the ground, but they do have the edge on defense. Both D's are a little soft, the Colts can be run on, the Saints can be passed on. The thing that gave them the edge over the rest of the NFL was a guy taking snaps who could execute their schemes and get it done in the clutch. That's how I define franchise QB, not an All-Star like Manning or Brees, but a guy who is competent in your scheme, can make the throws necessary, and who can be trusted to deliver with 1 minute left down by four. With that in mind, let's move on to the checklist I use to grade prospects coming out at QB.
Arm Strength: This is one of the major components to being a successful. It isn't an end be all, Jamarcus Russel and Jeff Garcia are the two extreme examples of that, but the arm to stretch the defense and fit a pass into tight windows is a trait that is invaluable to an offense. It isn't an attribute that can be taught, it's something you either have or don't. The ability to deliver a pass with zip and velocity at the second level of the defense is a skill that separates many of the greats from the not so greats.
Accuracy: You have to be able to aim your cannon. Putting the ball where only your guy can make the play on it is an invaluable asset to have. But being spot on isn't the only factor, timing is a key component. Anticipation of the coverage and when the receiver will get into his break is something that many successful QB's have had. It's the key to Bill Walsh's success and the West Coast offense's success over the years. Good accuracy is also a sign of good mechanics as well.
Mobility: There is a common misconception about mobility and QB's. Many casual fans, and some hardcore ones, mistake running ability for mobility, a la Michael Vick and Vince Young. But the most mobile QB in the NFL isn't Vick or Young or even Ben Roethlisberger, although Big Ben is very good. Peyton Manning is, IMO, the most mobile QB in the NFL. He has a sixth sense for the rush, and he can navigate to a clear area in the pocket and deliver the ball. That's what real QB mobility is, the talent of evading the rush and delivering the ball where it needs to go.
Size: Heighth, weighth, and durability all fit under this category. This is one of the more overrated attributes, just look at Drew Brees. Despite that, it does help to see over the guys blocking for you. ;) And as a QB, you will take a pounding, you have to be able to get up and show that you are still in control.
Intangibles: This is possibly the most important attribute to have. God-given talent like arm strength, mobility, and size is something you either have or don't. But intangibles are what makes the position. A great work ethic can make up for your deficiencies, or propel you over everyone else who has the same talent as you do. Being a QB requires more work than any other position, those without the desire to work at their problem areas will not last long. Confidence in yourself and your abilities is needed. You have to be able to inspire your teammates and make them believe that you can get the job done. That's what all the great clutch QB's have, an unshakable faith in their own ability to make a play, and that faith carries over to their teammates.
System QB?: See below.
That's what I look for in a QB, but there are other criteria I use to decide whether I should draft that particular QB, if I draft a QB at all. I call this the Bust List.
1. Intangibles; Again, this is important. He could of shown good intangibles at the college level, but really only a sit down interview will answer that question. Being clutch at the college level doesn't gurantee success in the pros. And a good work ethic is a must, just ask the Raiders.
2. Offensive Line; You could be the prototype for the position, but if you don't get any protection you won't succeed. David Carr and Joey Harrington could have been good if they could have avoided those seventy sack seasons. And eventually after you take that much of a pounding, you become gun shy and unable to succeed.
3. System QB?; This isn't an end be all, you can learn an NFL offense. But being in a pro style system in college really reduces the transition. You have practice with pro style routes, reading the defense as you drop back, going through reads and progressions, etc. Shotgun spread QB's have more of a learning curve, which while it isn't insurmountable, it still is sometimes too much for some guys.
So there you have it, I hope this answers some of your questions about the QB prospects coming out this April.
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Sam Bradford= overrated
- Offensive Line: you were talking about OLine in NFL, but I want to make the point that Bradford had the best OLine, and best TE (slight edge over Petegrew) in college football during his heisman trophy year, and after losing most of those, he proved to be fragile and not as acurate, NFL teams SHOULD take notice, we didnt realize Ken Dorsey was the product superior OLine and skill position players until AFTER he has in the NFL
- system QB: anybody else see a little run-n-shoot in the OU offense? Andre Ware anybody?
by durst on Feb 7, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Almost everybody knew Dorsey was garbage.
That is why he was not drafted until the 7th round. He had no arm and little mobility. Bradford, though brittle, has a good arm and decent mobility. If Trent Williams did not stink on ice, Oklahoma may have made a run at another NCG. On the other hand Bradford is not going to be a great NFL QB. There are not any QBs in this draft other than LeFevour that IMO has all the talent plus intangibles to be a successful starter.
by Flounder69 on Feb 7, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LeFevour
As much as I like his intangibles, his throwing motion is not great, and he doesn’t throw spirals. He doesn’t put a lot of velocity on the ball either.
by medicineball on Feb 7, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Montana threw ugly as well.
He is very accurate and throws well on the move.
by Flounder69 on Feb 7, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you tell me
If you tell me that Dan LeFevour once ate chicken soup at halftime of his bowl game and came back to win it in dramatic fashion…. now you would start scaring me about him.
by medicineball on Feb 8, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say levevour is the next joe montana but there are similarities. they both had ugly throwing motions and subpar arms. however they had the intangibles, leadership, mobility at times, and accuracy to succeed. however lefevour was nowhere near as accurate as montana, and he played against much worse schools.
by bross09 on Feb 9, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
those QBs from the sunshine state
Torretta, Dorsey, Ward, Weinke, Matthews, Grossman. All looked good in college because of their offensive systems and the fact that their schools consistently produced good receiving talent.
Which should be the first thought in everyone’s head when Tebow is mentioned.
The key to not having arm strength is to be aware of that fact. You just have to throw the ball differently and avoid certain pass routes.
by ct17 on Feb 7, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the thing I'm going to come back with every time is this
Tebow has the “unteachables”, natural talent. He has the arm, intangibles, and athleticism. And because he has the intangibles, the other learnable skills will come to him eventually. He’s a project for sure, but for a team (like jacksonville :D) with a solid starter already, he’d be a good potential backup/future starter. He does need two to three years.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Feb 8, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's got to re-learn every aspect of being a QB
from the basics of taking a snap and throwing the ball to reading defenses. Most QBs entering the NFL need 2-3 years to adapt to the faster speed of the game, even ones who are already able to throw the ball and take snaps from center.
by ninjasocks on Feb 8, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not denying he has a learning curve of two to three years
What I’m saying is he has the unteachables of an elite QB, that’s worth a late first to second round pick to me.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Feb 9, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much every NFL QB has a learning curve of 2-3 years
Tebow has more to work on than most QBs, so he’ll have a longer/steeper learning curve. 1st and 2nd round picks are usually spent on guys that are expected to start their rookie year. It would be a big gamble to grab a guy there that you don’t expect to start for 3-4 years.
by ninjasocks on Feb 9, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, his unteachables are very appealing.
Plus with his athleticism, he could contribute immediately in some Wildcat packages. All QB’s have that learning curve, but some are effective while they learn, that’s the main difference with Tebow, he is a project.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Feb 10, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at the same time. bradford easily has the best intangibles in the draft and the best true accuracy. he also IMO has some of the best intangibles in the past 4-5 years of drafting coming right out. his intangibles also will translate to the NFL level.
by bross09 on Feb 9, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are 2 more things to consider
I look for anticipation and pocket awareness. In college, a QB can wait till a reciever comes open and thgen throw him the ball. I the pros, you have to anticipate the reciever coming open. If you wait till you see the reciever open, he is already covered. The other thing I look at is pocket awareness. This maybe covered in intangible, but I believe it is so important that it deserves its own point. Payton Manning is the perfect example of this. This is one of the main reasons why he was only sacked 10 times this year. It is almost a 6th sense. You “feel” the pressure coming. Jake locker is good at this. Having this ability gives a QB the abilityt to extend palys and give recievers time to ge through their routes.
by The Irishman on Feb 7, 2010 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I covered those in accuracy and mobility.
Only briefly though, there’s so much here that could be fleshed out.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Feb 8, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I have not interviewed him but it looks like Clausen meets and passes all your tests.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 7, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tony Dungy said that he evaluates QBs like this:
Must Haves: Accuracy, Intagibles, abilty to read defense
Good to have: Arm Strength, Mobility
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 7, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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