Boldin's worth
The common thought with most Cardinals fans right now is Boldin will be traded. The only thing people don’t agree on is what the front office is willing to take for him. So I come to you...The people who spend your time analyzing and breaking down every aspect of the upcoming draft. What do you think Boldin is worth to another team? He is a great talent but tends to get hurt at the worst times. He will most likely want a big contract so that may affect who's willing to trade what for him. Will it be one pick or multiple picks? Or even a player for a player? Please any feed back or ideas are welcome. Thank you.
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3rd rounder at most
maybe a Joey Porter for B. He is older and injury prone
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
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by Blaze453 on Feb 9, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That seems like a trade that might work
The Phins need a WR and the Cards need a LB.
by ninjasocks on Feb 9, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards wouldn’t trade Porter for Bolden straight up. Porter is too old.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 9, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin's getting old as well
But I think any player-for-player trade is probably going to get a 4rd-6th thrown in to even things out.
by ninjasocks on Feb 9, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet it would take a 4th and Porter but I doubt that happens.
Boldin isnt 30 yet and Porters age definitly is catching up with him.
by darwithabar on Feb 9, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but he had 17.5 sacks just last year.
by LantermanC on Feb 9, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Boldin is 30
I thought he was 29. Wasnt the 17.5 sacks the year before last? I think thats what you ment to say.
by darwithabar on Feb 9, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i say a 2nd and a 5th.. is about what you will get..
by det32 on Feb 9, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think most Cards fans would be happy with that
I know at ROTB we’ve kind of targeted a 2nd and a 4th.
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by Bezekira on Feb 9, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
Last year the Max offer was a 3rd and a player. His trade value has dropped since then considerably. He is a year older, the injury concerns, and he is in a contract deal. Those 3 reasons will stop the Cards from getting fair compensation for Boldin. Last year, nobody was willing to give up a 2nd rounder for him, why would they give up more this year? I bet they dont trade him because of it and just let him walk next year.
by darwithabar on Feb 9, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the only thing that has changed since last year is that he's a year older
last year he still had the “injury bug” and he still wanted a new contract, so not much has really changed.
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by Bezekira on Feb 10, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the Ravens reportedly offered a 2nd and Heap for Q last year.
30 teams can say he’s not worth it, but it only takes 1 team to say let’s make a deal. Honestly, how many teams besides the Cowboys would have made that deal for Roy? Exactly.
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by hevchv on Feb 10, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No chance.
There might be a couple teams that would contemplate a 2nd rounder, but you are more likely looking at a 3rd.
by invisibulman on Feb 10, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends
a team that wants to get a first round WR, may get Boldin for the 5th. Say…the Ravens?
Obviously I think they’d try to get him for a lower pick, but a 1st rounder is not out of the question.
If Braylon Edwards gets a 3rd rounder, Anquan Boldin’s getting more then that. I dunno if there’s any idiots like Jerry Jones that would give up the sort of haul like he did for Roy Williams….then again, maybe the idiot does it again after he cuts Roy Williams?
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 9, 2010 12:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think a play-for-player trade is most likely
with maybe a late-round draft pick thrown in to even things out. Anybody who trades for Boldin is getting a guy who is only signed for one year, is getting older and more injured. It can’t help things that the Cards seem to do pretty well without him on the field.
by ninjasocks on Feb 9, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like the two responses above
Jerry Jones has the pockets to afford a contract extension, especially since this move allows them to jettison Williams. You would not get the Williams trade package, however. How about Bobby Carpenter and a mid-rounder (3 or 4) for Boldin. Jerry gets a proven veteran receiver for a few years. The Cards get an ILB that has not played as well as hoped, but maybe could turn it around in a new setting.
by ct17 on Feb 9, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All of you can keep hating on Jerry
Yes the Roy trade was awful. but we are stuck with him at least 1 more year. He is owed 9.25 million whether he plays or not. I makes sense financially, which Jerry is very good at, to keep Roy. Next year he is not owed nearly as much in guaranteed money. This is truly his put up or shut up year.
by Flounder69 on Feb 9, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're trippin!
why would the cardinals do this?
by lifelongcardfan on Feb 10, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
player for player trades are far to rare
Especially ‘star’ players. The last one was Portis for Champ right?
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by Bezekira on Feb 9, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They've been really rare in the past
This year, they’ll be more common because the FA market will be pretty lean due to UFAs becoming RFAs. Teams aren’t going to go crazy with player-for-player trades, but you’re going to see a lot more of them this year than in previous years.
Boldin’s 30 years old, in the last year of his contract (which makes him a 1 year rental), he’s got all sorts of nagging injuries (that he plays through) and probably isn’t the 2nd best WR on the team anymore. He’s not really what you’d call a “star” anymore and you can’t really expect to get a “star” in return for him.
by ninjasocks on Feb 9, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And this doesn't mean that Boldin isn't a good player
Its just that he’s getting older and, being a 1-year rental, he’s not going to attract the same sort of offers he would have gotten had he been traded last year.
by ninjasocks on Feb 9, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the contract thing is getting a bit overblown
The fact that he’s in the last year of his deal versus him having two years last year is pretty irrelevant. Anyone who trades or would have traded for him last year is going to have to sign him to a long term contract. This fact hasn’t changed in the past twelve months.
Be careful....to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
by Bezekira on Feb 10, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a significant qualitative difference
between 1 year remaining on a contract and 2 years. I don’t think, though, that there is any way for us to factually determine who’s right.
by ninjasocks on Feb 10, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The years remaining is regardless b/c anyone who trades for Boldin would have to give him a new contract anyways. You wouldn’t trade for a guy who’s bitching about his contract unless you had plans on rectifying the problem.
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by Bezekira on Feb 10, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is how most of these trades work out.
The player wants more money. He asks for a trade. The team that gets him offers a contract extension as part of the deal. The player doesn’t usually have much say in the matter, but why would a team get an unhappy camper who could potentially sit out if he doesn’t get what he wants in his new surroundings?
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by hevchv on Feb 10, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to the Raiders
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by FinFanFromCA on Feb 11, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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As a final Eight team The cards are limited in F/A. So a trade for a player for player is in your best interest. Unless you think picks are all guarantee shots at starting. Most teams know that the Cards are loaded at receiver. Boldin wants to play for Miami. Parcells thinks highly of Boldin and has said so. Plus Miami is going to cut J. Porter or trade him. Porter has averaged roughly 9 sacks per year for his career. J. Porter has expressed interest in playing for the Card. You might get a second straight up from Miami, but, most feel a third is more probable. If Porter is traded with a pick don’t expect to get anything higher than a fourth with him. By the way Miami’s owner “Ross” is the second richest owner in the NFL behind Allen of the Seahawks. We all know the Card’s Owners have to sign Rolle to a new contract and are losing Dansby to F/A. I could see a multi player swap between the teams.
by FinFanFromCA on Feb 11, 2010 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not postive on Dansby
I know he wants money but our LB situation looks dire and so that might force our hand. Besides Porter, what kind of deal do you think the fins would make for Q? 2 and 5?
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by Jessesb on Feb 11, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tough to Say
With B. Parcells running Miami he values draft picks. He builds his teams mainly through the draft and Above average F/A acquasitons. This year is different though with there being no salary cap hit for dumping players. Most teams will be trying to dump their bad or heavy contracts. Cards fans know that the Bidwells are slightly on the cheap side. Dansby knows he will bring a heavy offer if he goes into F/A. To retain Dansby you either Franchise @ roughly $12-14mil or you give the long term contract he wants and still have to show him the money. I don’t see that happening. Sorry. I see the possiblity of a 2nd for Q. Like I said most feel a third would be guaranteed. We don’t have a 5th. We used that to get T. Thigpen from K.C. You would better off working a multi-player deal with Miami. Again you may be losing A. Rolle if he doesn’t re-structrue his contract. He is due I believe $12mil this year. Final eight teams can only aquire F/Ss’ if they lose one. I could see a trade of Porter/Crowder/Wilson for Boldin/Rolle. This trade fills your needs with three starter from our team for 2 starters on your team. You may even be able to get them to throw in a QB.
by FinFanFromCA on Feb 12, 2010 3:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a very interesting trade idea.
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by Jessesb on Feb 12, 2010 5:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1st round
Is what a lot of the cardinals fans are looking for but it seems un likely at this stage in his career thank you all for you input and please keep it coming.
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by McCards010 on Feb 9, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that'd be tough
Chiefs fans REALLY wanted him last year, but seem to have really cooled off on the idea this offseason.
Lots of us would consider a low 2nd round, or a 2011 pick…
But, it’s a somewhat spirited debate.
you’d think that KC is a pretty likely landing spot, though… with Haley and the Chiefs’ need for WRs
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
by stagdsp on Feb 9, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
id give up the Bengals 2nd
deal?
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by firstPick on Feb 9, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably a 2nd, 5th, and a decent player.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 9, 2010 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think they'd pack Boldin's bag for him if they were able to pull off a deal like that
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by Bezekira on Feb 9, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, No way thats waaaay too much.
I think even a 2nd is too much. I think a 3rd and a player or a 3rd and a future 5th
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by CapitolLions on Feb 14, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give up a 3rd
He’s a injury proned WR who’s gonna want a huge salary.
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by chinchillas sword on Feb 9, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lets compare.
Brandon Marshall is 26 years old. Boldin is 30. There stats are remakably the same. Marshall has averaged missing one game per season and Boldin has averaged missing 2 games per season. Marshall will be tendered either for a 1st and 3rd draft pick or franchised this year. To replace him the Broncos will need to use their #1 pick on Dez Bryant to assure eqaul value.
So production wise Boldin is almost as good. I think a late 1 or a second round pick (due to age) would be fair. I like the thought of a player trade. It seems like the Cardinals have needs. If a team like Baltimore could give up a Todd Heap or other aging veteran that still produces, a trade like that makes sense.
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by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
here is whats going to happen
ravens are going to trade there
1st and 3rd for Marshall
2nd for Boldin
by det32 on Feb 9, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2nd and a 4th and it's a deal.
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by Bezekira on Feb 9, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Luck but the Cardinals wont get that
This draft is deeper than ever. Boldins trade value last year was a 3rd and Lendale White (Rumors). How could it go up this year? He had several injury problems, he is gonna want a huge deal as well. I think the best possible senario is a 3rd and a decent role player. I could see the Cardinals settling for just a 3rd round pick even. Ill stand by this too. The only way a team gives up more than a 3rd is if the Al Davis effect comes into play. I could see the Raiders giving up a 2012 1st round pick for Boldin so Davis could make an imaginary run at a SB. Other than that, a 3rd and some change is all the Cards will get. I think they will hold on to Boldin and make a SB run and then let him go. The Cards are a very good team IMO and Boldin would only help them develop Lienhart.
by darwithabar on Feb 9, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dar, How can you say he is so valuable that he helps them win a SB but he isn't worth but a 3rd?
A 3rd and a player is a lot more than a 3rd. I would take Boldin, if I needed a guy now, over an untested 2nd round rookie. Baltimore has no WR. Everyone is a FA or RFA. Their best guy is 34 years old. Not sure they can wait for maturity. I think your being harsh on him. Only 2 missed games per year on average ( although age is catching up). Great player.
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by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never heard that specific rumor
The only specific rumor that I ever heard was that the Ravens offered a third and Todd Heap but I guess that’s a fairly similar offer, value wise.
One thing that may be different this year is that the Cards might be more motivated to move him. We all know that all of these trade talks end up being a negotiation so if the Titans or Ravens really did make those offers it’s conceivable that the Cards could squeeze slightly more out of them if they are really motivated to move Boldin. Last year I really believe that they were listening but it was a case were they would have to be blown away with an offer. This year they might open up talks with a “third and a player” and turn it into a second and a later round pick.
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by Bezekira on Feb 10, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow- That sure takes care of your WR free agency problem.
I think Mr. Flacco will be very happy. Apparently you don’t feel any other real needs for this draft. I’m no expert on your team but I remember the Vikes tearing up your secondary. No worries about no high draft picks?
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by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That last post was meant for Bezekira.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Feb 9, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I must be missing something......
wouldn’t that give us an extra second and fourth round pick?
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by Bezekira on Feb 10, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1st and a 3rd for Marshall?
Det are you living on the ludacris deal the Boys gave up for our old Roy?
A 1st and a 3rd is too much for any WR without the last name Johnson or Fitzgerald
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by CapitolLions on Feb 14, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone mentioned on our board
Boldin and our first for KC’s 1st so we could grab McClain? Seem possible? Former OC of the Cards now the KC head coach so he truly knows Boldin’s value… whatever that might be to him.
To me, this sounds very interesting. Or maybe another deal similar.
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by Jessesb on Feb 10, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Would be a good deal for the Chiefs...
They get a WR for a couple of years and dodge that top 5 draft pick salary. Not sure why Arizona would do that, especially targeting a LB.
by invisibulman on Feb 10, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
We need an LB badly. Okeafor is terrible, Barry retired and Cody Brown is basically still a rookie after being on IR. With Boldin and Warner off the books we might be able to squeeze him in. And if the rookie salary cap comes into play, who knows.
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by Jessesb on Feb 10, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I'd take that trade for KC
then sign Dansby as a FA :)
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* Pioli will make at least one trade in the offseason, and 2 trades during the draft
* I'd prefer "lightning and lightning" as opposed to "lightning and thunder" when it comes to RBs
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
by stagdsp on Feb 10, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we don't lose Dansby too
Our apparent LB situation would go from bad to terrible.
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by Jessesb on Feb 11, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually kind of like that
KC gets a familiar WR and could still be in position to grab a number of players like Cody, Spikes, Hughes/Sapp.
Arizona could get Rolando McClain. I love that guy.
Nice trade I think.
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by tj.hendricks on Feb 10, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
waaaayyyy undervalued!!
anquan is worth a minimum of a mid first round pick! I’ve seen injuries mentioned here and he did miss time but look at his production. i’ve seen the age factor mentioned here that applies to speed receivers and that isn’t anquans game. he gets open using good route running and superior positioning. The guy still has 4 or 5 very good years left in him and will finish his career with somewhere between 875-1000 catches for over 10,000 yards. those are hall of fame numbers! for a 2nd or 3rd round pick? get the hell out of here with this nonsense!
by lifelongcardfan on Feb 10, 2010 5:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
dude come on
Don’t let your love for Anquan cloud the truth. First of all no one is trading for what he’s done in that past so his career totals are irrelevant. Secondly we’re talking about a very good receiver if he’s healthy but that’s a huge IF. Consider that you’re talking about a guy who thinks of himself as a premier receiver yet he’s failed to top 90 catches or 1,100 yards in any of the past three seasons, all while playing in a very pass heavy offense.
If we can squeeze out a second and a later round pick, I’d be ecstatic but a mid first round pick is crazy talk. This isn’t Madden.
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by Bezekira on Feb 10, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reality
How many players can you name that have been traded for a early- to mid- 1st round pick. It is a rare event. Typically it is either a QB or meddling owners overpaying. The 49ers did not get that much for Owens. Edwards was a third this past year, and the Jets were desperate.
Timing is an important factor. Boldin has only one year left on his deal. Someone trading a high pick would want an extension in place. Also, right now teams are looking towards the draft to fix holes. Midseason teams have fewer options, rarely good ones, so Boldin could command more then.
If someone was making good offers for him, he would have been traded already.
by ct17 on Feb 11, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No shit
No one pays a 1st for Quan…
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by CapitolLions on Feb 14, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Cards fan....
I understand how ur feeling, Boldin is a 1st round talent and holds several rookie and receiver records BUT under the current circumstances i.e. age, injuries, current draft value with this class, i think the most we’ll get is a 2nd, and if we hit the jackpot, a 5th. Boldin’s problem is that hes too tough for his own good, he plays injured and doesnt rest to get recovered.
But a 1st round pick is outta the question.
by Ogre7 on Feb 16, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great player, will not get much for him
The Cardinals need to entertain the idea of trading Boldin. The numbers show that WITHOUT him playing, they win plenty of games. If they trade him, re-sign Steve Breaston, then they will have Fitzgerald, Breaston, and Early Doucet as their WRs. They should be able to draft Jermaine Gresham, TE from Oklahoma to help out on that side of the ball. Get what they can for him, whether its a 3rd or 4th round pick, and address the defensive side of the ball.
by jake e on Feb 10, 2010 6:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree with everything but Gresham.
We don’t need pass catching TEs. We have two of those (Patrick and Byrd). If we get a TE it should be a blocking TE who can catch. But def not in the 1st round. That need shouldn’t be addressed until the 5th-UDFA if you ask me.
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by hevchv on Feb 10, 2010 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i could see 2nd round
at best
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