A case for Sam Bradford going first overall
Ndamukong Suh may not be the lock everyone thought as the No. 1 overall pick. In just about every mock draft, the monstrous defensive tackle is given to the Rams without second thought.
Maybe it's time to think again.
Instead, think Sam Bradford. The former Oklahoma quarterback may be coming off major shoulder surgery, but he's ahead of schedule. Bradford likely won't throw at the combine, but he should be ready to go by Oklahoma's pro day, which has yet to be scheduled.
"We all know what the key on Bradford will be. We're anxious to see him at the combine in about three weeks," Rams general manager Billy Devaney told reporters last week. "It will be interesting to see where he is physically. I don't know what his rehab consists of right now, if he is throwing the ball, what his plans are. We need to find that out. But I think the guy is a great player."
Consider Bradford's history: He's an accurate thrower with elite decision making skills and a quick release He also has good enough athleticism, comes from a spread and is known as a good leader. There's also that nagging shoulder issue.
But close your eyes a moment and think of all those attributes. If Drew Brees didn't come to mind, maybe he should have. In a copycat league, drafting a similar player to this year's Super Bowl MVP makes sense.
Perhaps that's enough for Devaney to finally take that quarterback that he's passed on several times.
The Rams passed on Mark Sanchez in last year's draft. They were said to be very interested in Sanchez, just not with the second overall pick. Sanchez's Jets made the playoffs.
Maybe more infamously, the team didn't take Matt Ryan in 2008. The team had just given Marc Bulger a massive contract which it is now trying to restructure. Ryan's Falcons made the playoffs.
It may be somewhat unlikely the Rams will be contending for a playoff spot in the coming season. But taking a quarterback this year would allow him to ease into the starting spot. It will also give head coach Steve Spagnuolo another season to work over the team's defense while the team adds more talent.
Given the great depth at defensive tackle this year, maybe Spagnuolo can coach a player up to Suh's level. At some point, though, St. Louis has to add a top young signal caller and taking the next Drew Brees sure sounds good.
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The real question is
Is he durable for the NFL?
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 9, 2010 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it.
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by Patssuck456 on Feb 11, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How to put this...
NO CHANCE IN HELL! He didn’t play all year and has legitimate arm strength and durability concerns. He is a distant 2nd behind Clausen as far as QB prospects are concerned. I can see the Redskins considering him at #4, but that is a massive reach in my opinion. I agree with the idea of the Rams taking a QB, but it would be Clausen, not Bradford.
by invisibulman on Feb 9, 2010 9:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
I agree that Bradford has to be considered for the #1 pick. Playing in a dome half the year and warm weather for four other games a season should help the throwing power concerns somewhat. That said, I absolutely hate you reasoning for why a team must consider drafting the ever elusive “franchise” QB.
The Jets didn’t make it to the playoffs because of Mark Sachez, they made it there despite him! Unless, of course, you want to argue that his 63 QB rating was crucial to their success, as opposed to their elite defense and running game. Why don’t you focus on Matt Stafford instead, who was equally as ineffective but who’s lesser supporting cast lead to an abysmal, injury plagued season? As for Matt Ryan, am I the only one that noticed he regressed across the board this year despite an improved supporting cast? And what about mirages like Vince Young (who’s defense and running game have made successful), Jay Cutler (who had been great for fantasy but not reality until it all came undone this season) or Matt Leinart (who couldn’t stay on or get back on the field)?
The beauty about copycatting Drew Brees is that the guy was a second round pick, leading to a cost controlled contract, lowered expectations and greater value. Sure, Bradford reminds me of him and I actually like Sam, but he’s a big time gamble where he’s going to get drafted. For instance, I think Joe McKnight is a lot like Reggie Bush, but the reason why I think the former is a good pick despite the laters struggles is because he’ll go in the middle rounds instead of the first couple of picks; at that point, it’s worth the risk.
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by ejruiz on Feb 9, 2010 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos won 8 games DESPITE Orton.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 9, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos won 8 games DESPITE the O-line struggles.
Fixed that for you.
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by Rob4Braves on Feb 9, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I thought about Bradford more along the line of a lesser Peyton Manning, though. The Brees comparison is a better one though.
If the Rams draft Bradford, he’s a lock to play nine dome games per year (8 at home and once in Arizona). SF usually has good weather regardless of month. So that leaves 10 of 11 games a year that will likely have good conditions. That favors a high octane offense that Bradford would do well in.
Of the 12 remaining NFC teams, 5 play in domes, and two have good weather most of the year (TB and Carolina).
Suh is a great talent, but I’d take Bradford.
by Der Jaeger on Feb 9, 2010 9:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have heard Tony Dungy compare Clausen to Brees.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 9, 2010 10:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't use Tony Dungy's predictions for anything....
He’s made an ass of himself a lot this year……
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 9, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also said he'd take Tim Tebow in the first round.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
by Tackle Box on Feb 10, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the Cowboys have no chance against New Orleans (none)
the Colts would blow out the Saints, it wouldn’t be close.
Dungy’s predictions are garbage.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
two good points
I like the Brees comparison. When the Saints are in their quick-strike mode, their offense is similar to a spread offense. People knock spread QBs for their arm strength, but there are many teams running shorter, simpler pass routes and relying on quick throws to avoid the pass rush. Brees is too quick and accurate to stop.
I also like the point that a defensive coach is able to more with less on the defensive side of the ball. The same is true on offense. Everyone on here is always commenting on how Shanahan picks QB/RB/OL late in the draft – it’s because his system makes good players into great players.
That being said, I have no idea whether Bradford, Suh, or Clausen goes first. But I hope the Rams have a good plan for a new QB, and I hope for Spags’ sake that it is not Snead.
by ct17 on Feb 9, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've had Bradford number one all year
Because he is a special prospect. As a lions fan I was really pissed off last year when he decided not to come out because he was a lock for number one. Every person who dosen’t like him says he has durability problems and has average arm strength. Well he played two full seasons( had a great offensive line but still never got hurt) and this year gets hurt and tries to play through the injury and if that shoulder was never hurt in the first place the second hit wouldnt have hurt him. Arm strength is not a concern if anybody watches him throw. In his system he dosen’t have to throw it 50-60 yards every other play so he dosent but trust me he has got between Bress-Brady arm strength. The Bress comparisson is great so picture him as a slightly taller version of Drew Bress and then let the Rams decide if they want a Brees on their team.
by David7 on Feb 9, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bradford IS the number 1 QB
But is the difference in Bradford and say McCoy or LeFevour worth the difference between Suh and the BPA at DT @ 33? Without trading down this isn’t a good idea. It’s no safer to pick a QB because you have the number one choice in a QB weak draft, passing up on phenomenal talent than it is to draft Suh, depending on being able to pick up QB help both in trade or next draft when the class will be arguably deeper at the position.
The reason I don’t give the Bradford argument much merit is because I don’t buy into the ‘Gotta do it now’ attitude. No we don’t gotta do it now. We’re a couple of off-seasons away from needing anyone but the BPA at any one of 5-8 different positions. We’re that bad. A lot of the Bradford hype I hear is coming from Lion fans. Not exactly objective. I’ve even heard comments of stupidity if we don’t go QB with our first pick. So I wouldn’t say that Bradford is being dismissed without a second thought.
by dbcouver on Feb 10, 2010 12:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
definitely number 1, while I like Suh, I think if Bradford can develop like we think he can he’ll mean much more to us than Suh ever could
by Jae-So on Feb 10, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think drafting Bradford 1, project DT 2 is a better idea than drafting Suh 1 project QB 2.
I’m not saying the Rams have to draft Bradford in 2010 to win in 2010. To me, Bradford is just as much of a sure thing as anyone they’d draft next year. So why not start on the process of building up a quarterback now instead of later?
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by Mocking Dan on Feb 10, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I wouldn’t draft a project QB #2 after Suh. I’m in the Locker or Mallett camp, and have preferred either of them right up until both announced they were returning to school. QBs, DTs, MLBs, and OTs,……Get the best you can. I want Locker or Mallett. I want Suh. I’d like to think we can get both. If we go Bradford, then, yeah, pick up the best DT we can, but trade down to take Bradford. We NEED to maximize value.
But if we pick up Suh, I would go OLB or DE with our #2 pick. This draft is thick with DEs at about 33. We could then stock up on offensive line help and/or playmakers.
by dbcouver on Feb 11, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well what happens if Mallet or Locker don’t light the world on fire and there is another good defensive prospect, then you start the cycle over again.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 11, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful we have the #1 pick again,
therefore, the cycle doesn’t start all over again
But if we do, and there’s an obvious #1 guy in the draft, then it’s a good problem to have. Eventually the QB has to be filled. It may happen this year, although hopefully only after trading down. If not, something tells me the decision won’t be as difficult next year. We didn’t go to hell in 1-2 years and we aren’t gonna fix it in 1-2 years either.
Inevitably someone will be the #1 rated QB next year, and I’m thinking whomever that is will be better than this years prospects. It’s just not true that someone of Suhs’ ability comes along every year. There’s always a #! prospect but not like him.
by dbcouver on Feb 12, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford is NOT Brees, just satin
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He could be better. He could be a bust. No one knows. I’m just saying the attributes are similar.
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by Mocking Dan on Feb 10, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bress plays in a 3 step drop and throw system
Rams use a 3 step and “drop to the ground” system
Why is patience a virtue and procrastination a sin...I mean whats wrong with patiently procrastionating?
by Go_Blues on Feb 10, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain how they can say this is a DT rich draft?
I see two elite prospects [Suh and McCoy], a few nose tackles [Cody, Williams, Thomas, Troup], then a couple of legitimate first rounders [Price and Odrick] then………?
The rest of the prospects have the usual collection of question marks and negatives that make them picks in the third and fourth rounds.
I looked at the recent draft history for DTs picked by round:
2009 – 3 – 3 – 5 – 4
2008 – 2 – 2 – 3 – 2
2007 – 3 – 1 – 4 – 4
2006 – 3 – 0 – 2 – 4
2005 – 2 – 0 – 2 – 0 I saw four linemen listed as DEs now playing as DTs.
2004 – 3 – 3 – 4 – 3
2009 had fifteen DTs picked in the first four rounds. I don’t recall anyone touting that class as deep and high quality.
For the 2010 draft to equal that you would need to see players like Nate Collins UVA, D’Anthony Smith La. Tech, Jay Ross East Car., and Vince Oghobaase Duke going in the fourth round. Possible? Yes. But don’t try and tell me those guys are any surefire starters.
An interesting note is the extremely lean years in 2005 and 2006. They even started switching DEs to DTs due to the shortage of talent.
I guess people can’t look beyond the first round as it is possible there will be six DT/NTs picked in the first in 2010. After that? None of those guys really jump out at you.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 10, 2010 7:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can look past the first round. And I think getting Bradford in the first and a DT in the second is better than getting Suh in the first and a QB in the second.
Personally, I like the idea of getting Bradford in the first and someone like Arthur Jones, Jared Odrick or Lamarr Houston in the second. I like it more than getting Suh in the first and McCoy, Snead, LeFevour or Canfield in the second.
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by Mocking Dan on Feb 10, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you one million per cent.
Even though I mocked it that way, I don’t think that Odrick will get to the second round. But you are right MD, Lamarr Houston at #33 or Cam Thomas at #65 is a lot better than Colt McCoy or any of those other third round or later talents at #33.
I am just saying that I only see two real elite talents with a number of guys with potential to develop that way. I don’t think this class is a lot better than last years DT class…….after the top two.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 10, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still factor in Spagnuolo here. Most of those NYG defensive tackles were nothing special when they came into the league. But when the Giants were really good you’d be hard-pressed to find a better unit.
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by Mocking Dan on Feb 10, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a bucs fan
I sure hope the rams take a QB! That leaves either Suh or McCoy on the board.
by aakks on Feb 10, 2010 9:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As a rams fan I want Suh, but if they take Bradford I'm not going to be angry.
But can we stop using Mark Sanchez as justification for taking early QBs, I am in no way mad that the Rams passed on the guy. Sanchez had a bad year when everything around him was going right, imagine if you had him with the Rams talent.
The Jets as a team were good, Mark Sanchez still has A LOT to prove.
by TheBirds on Feb 10, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If they want to put people in the seats they will take Bradford
If they are commited to building a winner they will take Suh. Its gonna be interesting none the less.
Why is patience a virtue and procrastination a sin...I mean whats wrong with patiently procrastionating?
by Go_Blues on Feb 10, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WOW! You don't think a real QB could win you some games?
The Rams offence averaged scoring less than eleven 11 points per game last year. Suh, Berry or McCoy will not help with that.
A winning team will put fans in the seats. A QB is more likely to do that than a DT.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 10, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Bradford that good
from the seat of his ass. Because that’s where he’s gonna be.
by dbcouver on Feb 11, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get that. The Rams have added Jason Brown and Jason Smith to the O Line last year.
Alex Barron was a first round pick before that. When will your O Line ever be good enough for you to draft a QB early? Or at all?
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 11, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You never will get it
until you are no longer blinded by your closet love for Suh.
by dbcouver on Feb 11, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is pretty funny as on the Detroit site I am accused of being a Gerald McCoy supporter.
The fact is dbcouver your team has built up the O Line already. If you say they cannot protect a rookie QB, I guess you are saying that your line rebuild has been a failure.
So what now? Concentrate on the defensive line where you have used a #13 in "07, and a #2 in ’08? You took a CB at #15 in ’06. How did that work?
I know where you are now, because my Lions are still there too. We have some hope as we have a QB who has shown enough so far to make us believe that better times are ahead. If we had picked someone else at #1 last year we would be picking #1 again and faced with the same ugly dilemma.
I wish you guys the best, really.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 11, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you're picking #2
You’ve improved a lot. Do those whom accuse you of supporting McCoy see that you mocked yourself Suh? I was only responding to that and the continued persistence by many Lions fans to talk us into drafting Clausen or Bradford. I’m not saying it won’t happen, but I don’t think it’s as important to draft Clausen or Bradford, as it is to get value 100% of the time for a few drafts.
Does anyone really think by not drafting QB first overall that we’re happy with our QBs? That’s insulting and stupid. Sure Bradford or Clausen could fill the need. We need talent everywhere though. If you needed talent like we do, you wouldn’t want to draft anyone but the absolute best player availabe, unless you could trade down.
Theres no law or unwritten rule that it has to be a QB. Sure it’s the most important position. Thats exactly why you fill it with the one you want, not just the best available this year. Because it hasn’t been done for 3 years prior, when many QBs have bveen passed over, doesn’t mean it was wrong to pass on them. We haven’t got the shitty record we have because we didn’t draft a QB. We have this situation because we haven’t drafted ANYBODY worth a shit, last year excepted.
Drafting safely is pretty damn important for us for now. Taking chances is something hopefully we can afford in the near future. To me, drafting safely means trying to trade down out of the pick for more picks. Theres nothing wrong with helping my team market the value of their stock in trade in case that becomes possible. If not draft Suh, and move on.
by dbcouver on Feb 12, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks db, I appreciate your feedback.
I generally agree with your comment. I don’t mean to be insulting when I mock the Rams a QB, it is just my evaluation of the Best Value for that team with that pick.
We had this same debate at the Lions site last year and I moved from the Lineman [Monroe] camp to Stafford sometime during that debate. I am not trying to convince anyone that I am right or they are wrong. I really enjoy the back and forth of intelligent debate.
We will all see what the FOs of our teams really think once draft day approaches or actually occurs.
Keep posting.
by NorthLeft12 on Feb 12, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then draft a freakin lineman
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 11, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would if I had the choice
Not the first pick but by the 3rd. Last year I would have wound up with at least 3. It was a good year for O-line and it’s what we need the worst until it gets fixed. I would never pass on getting the most bang for our pick though, in the case of once in a while type talent like Suh represents. I hope we get 2 this year in the first 5 rounds.
by dbcouver on Feb 12, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ty Hill
Chris Long, Jason Smith.
Over Jay Cutler, Matty Ice and Mark Sanchez. Are these guys ‘great’? No. Would they at least give the Rams some hope every year and something to build around? Uhh…yea.
How does the future look with those non-QB guys? How many times are the Rams gonna draft a “safe” pick and pass up a QB?
“Wait till next year…the QB class is good next year”.
….and waiting. and waiting.
Maybe your waiting for one of the Mannings to have a kid to grow up and be the #1 pick?
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 11, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, they’ll take Warren Sapp’s kid over the new Manning.
by TheRealSlimShady on Feb 11, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Bradford??
the fact that he is considered as a #1 Qb in this years draft is pretty sad IMO.
by bovice on Feb 13, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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