2nd Seven Round Mock New & Improved
by ENsDad27 on Mar 13, 2010 9:09 AM EST
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Round 1
1 St. Louis Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma The Rams go for biggest need instead of BPA & Sam Bradford is the best QB in this draft
2 Detroit Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska The Lions get the best player in the draft at a position they need
3 Tampa Bay Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma The next Warren Sapp
4 Washington Russel Okung LT Oklahoma State The best tackle for the team with the worst line
5 Kansas City Sergio Kindle OLB Texas Best player for teams need
6 Seattle Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame Pete Carroll liked him in high school & I think he picks him here
7 Cleveland Derrick Morgan DE Georgia Tech Best player for teams need
8 Oakland Dan Williams DT Tennessee Al Davis makes a solid choice ( this round )
9 Buffalo Bryan Baluga LT Iowa Best player for teams need
10 Jacksonville Eric Berry FS Tennessee Jacksonville gets lucky
11 Denver Everson Griffin DE USC Best player for teams need
12 Miami Brandon Graham OLB Michigan Really shined at Senior Bowl
13 San Francisco CJ Spiller RB Clemson San Francisco gets lucky
14 Seattle Charles Brown LT USC Pete Carroll gets one of his boys & one of the best tackles in this draft
15 NY Giants Rolando McClain ILB Alabama Best player for teams need
16 Tennessee Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida Perfect fit & best player for teams need
17 San Francisco Joe Haden CB Florida Best player for teams need
18 Pittsburgh Earl Thomas FS Texas Pittsburgh gets lucky
19 Atlanta Devin McCourty CB Rutgers Best player for teams need
20 Houston Mike Lupati G Idaho Best player for teams need
21 Cincinnati Brian Price DT UCLA Big upgrade on defense
22 New England Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State Perfect fit
23 Green Bay Trent Williams T Oklahoma Green Bay gets lucky
24 Philadelphia Carlos Dunlap DE Florida Andy Reid likes to pressure QBs & he will keep Dunlap in line
25 Baltimore Kyle Wilson CB Boise State Best player for teams need
26 Arizona Anthony Davis LT Rutgers Protection for Leinart
27 Dallas Golden Tate WR Notre Dame Tate & Austin make big problems for DCs
28 San Diego Ryan Matthews RB Fresno State Best player for teams need
29 NY Jets Maurkice Pouncey C/G Florida Offense needs help & O-line is the place to start
30 Minnesota Bruce Campbell T Maryland BPA
31 Indianapolis Jared Odrick DT Penn State A good D-line gets better
32 New Orleans Ricky Sapp OLB Clemson Best player for teams need
Round 2
1 St. Louis Sean Weatherspoon LB Missourri
2 Detroit Jahvid Best RB California
3 Tampa Bay Jerry Hughes DE TCU
4 Kansas City Terence Cody DT Alabama
5 Washington Nate Allen FS USF
6 Cleveland Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
7 Oakland Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
8 Seattle Tayler Mays S USC
9 Buffalo Damian Williams WR USC
10 Tampa Bay Arrelious Benn WR Illinois
11 Miami Branden LaFell WR LSU
12 New England Corey Wootton DE Northwestern
13 Denver Vladimir Ducassee T/G Massachusetts
14 NY Giants Rodger Saffold LT Indiana
15 Carolina Demaryious Thomas WR GT
16 New England Koa Misi OLB Utah
17 San Francisco Chad Jones SS LSU
18 Houston Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma
19 Kansas City John Jerry G Mississippi
20 Pittsburgh Navarro Bowman ILB Penn State
21 New England Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma
22 Cincinnati Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona
23 Philadelphia Morgan Burnett FS GT
24 Green Bay Jonathan Dwyer RB GT
25 Baltimore Darryl Washington OLB TCU
26 Arizona Sean Lee ILB Penn State
27 Dallas Jared Veldheer LT Hillsdale
28 San Diego Cam Thomas NT North Carolina
29 NY JETS Eric Norwood OLB South Carolina
30 Minnesota Reshad Jones SS Georgia
31 Indianapolis Brandon Ghee CB Wake Forrest
32 New Orleans Matt Tennant C Boston College
3rd Round
1 St. Louis Tyson Alualu DE California
2 Detroit Jon Asamoah G Illinois
3 Tampa Bay Patrick Robinson CB FSU
4 Kansas City Thaddeus Gibson OLB Ohio State
5 Oakland Tim Tebow QB Florida
6 Philadelphia Colt McCoy QB Texas
7 Cleveland Taylor Price WR Ohio
8 Buffalo Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan
9 Miami TJ Ward SS Oregon
10 Jacksonville Alex Carrington DE Arkansas State
11 Chicago Jason Fox LT Miami
12 NY Giants Lamar Houston DT Texas
13 Tennessee Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
14 Carolina Jason Worilds OLB Va. Tech
15 San Francisco Jermaine Cunningham DE/OLB Florida
16 Denver Chris Cook CB UVA
17 Houston Toby Gerhart RB Stanford
18 Pittsburgh Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB Indiana
19 Atlanta Carlton Mitchell WR USF
20 Cincinnati Darryl Stuckey SS Kansas
21 Oakland Myron Rolle SS FSU
22 Green Bay Joe McKnight RB USC
23 Philadelphia Mike Johnson G Alabama
24 Arizona Dekoda Watson OLB FSU
25 Arizona Jerome Murphy CB USF
26 Dallas Major Wright FS Florida
27 San Diego Javier Arenas CB Alabama
28 Cleveland Jacoby Ford WR Clemson
29 Minnesota Mike Neal DT Purdue
30 Indianapolis Anthony McCoy TE USC
31 New Orleans Greg Hardy DE Mississippi
4th Round
1 St. Louis Geno Atkins DT Georgia
2 Detroit Perrish Cox CB Oklahoma State
3 Tampa Bay Amari Spievey CB Iowa
4 Kansas City Kyle Calloway T Iowa
5 Washington Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 Seattle Ed Dickson TE Oregon
7 Cleveland Dennis Pitta TE BYU
8 Oakland Mitch Petrus G Arkansas
9 Buffalo Ed Dickson TE Oregon
10 Jacksonville Jordan Shipley WR Texas
11 Chicago Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati
12 Miami Torrell Troup DT UCF
13 Tennessee Mike Williams WR Syracuse
14 Carolina Tony Pike QB Cincinnati
15 San Francisco Selvish Capers T West Va.
16 Denver JD Walton C Baylor
17 NY Giants Ben Tate RB Auburn
18 Pittsburgh Linval Joseph NT East Carolina
19 Atlanta Brandon Lang DE Troy
20 Houston Kam Chancellor FS Va. Tech
21 New England Jamar Chaney ILB Mississippi State
22 Cincinnati Donald Butler ILB Washington
23 Philadelphia Perry Riley OLB LSU
24 Green Bay Larry Asante SS Nebraska
25 Arizona Dexter McCluster WR Mississippi
26 NY Jets Eric Decker WR Minnesota
27 Dallas George Selvie DE USF
28 San Diego Lindsey Witten DE Connecticutt
29 Philadelphia James Starks RB Buffalo
30 Minnesota Kevin Thomas CB USC
31 Indianapolis Zane Beadles G Utah
32 New Orleans Rennie Curran OLB Georgia
5th Round
1 St. Louis Brandon Carter G Texas Tech
2 Atlanta AJ Edds OLB Iowa
3 Cleveland LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon
4 Washington Jonathan Crompton QB Tennessee
5 Kansas City Jarrett Brown QB West Va.
6 Cleveland Terrel Skinner FS Maryland
7 Oakland Alterruan Verner CB UCLA
8 Seattle Jeff Owens DT Georgia
9 Buffalo Marshall Newhouse G TCU
10 Chicago Ciron Black G LSU
11 Kansas City Dezmon Briscoe WR Kansas
12 Jacksonville Jeremy Williams WR Tulane
13 Kansas City Sam Shields CB Miami
14 San Francisco Andre Roberts WR Citadel
15 Cleveland Kevin Basped DE Nevada
16 NY Giants Myron Lewis CB/FS Vanderbilt
17 Tennessee AJ Jefferson CB Fresno State
18 Detroit Ed Wang T Va. Tech
19 Houston Arthur Jones DT Syracuse
20 Pittsburgh Sam Jones T Notre Dame
21 Cincinnati Riley Cooper WR Florida
22 Tampa Bay Kurt Coleman SS Ohio State
23 Green Bay Clay Harbor FB Missouri State
24 St. Louis Blair White WR Michigan State
25 Baltimore David Gettis WR Baylor
26 Baltimore Aaron Hernandez TE Florida
27 Oakland Phillip Dillard ILB Nebraska
28 San Diego Jimmy Graham TE Miami
29 Cleveland Brian Jackson CB Oklahoma
30 Minnesota Pat Angerer ILB Iowa
31 Indianapolis O'Brien Schofield OLB Wisconsin
32 NY Jets Willie Young DE NC State
6th Round
1 St. Louis Dorin Dickerson TE Pittsburgh
2 Atlanta D'Anthony Smith DT Louisiana Tech
3 Tampa Bay Adam Ulotski T Texas
4 Miami Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin
5 Miami Shawn Lauvao G Arizona State
6 Carolina Vince Oghobaase DT Duke
7 Seattle Shay Hodge WR Mississippi
8 Cleveland Arthur Moats OLB James Madison
9 Buffalo Earl Mitchell DT Arizona
10 Miami Rashawn Jackson FB UVA
11 Jacksonville Chris Hall C Texas
12 Chicago Chris Scott T Tennessee
13 San Francisco Tony Moeaki TE Iowa
14 Denver Darryl Sharpton ILB Miami
15 NY Giants Syd Quan Thompson CB California
16 Tennessee Joshua Moore CB Kansas State
17 Cleveland Kevin Haslam T Rutgers
18 Houston CJ Wilson DE East Carolina
19 Pittsburgh Shelley Smith G Colorado State
20 Atlanta Chris DeGeare G Wake Forrest
21 New England Freddie Barnes WR Bowling Green
22 Cincinnati Donovan Warren CB Michigan
23 Buffalo Derek Hardman T Eastern Kentucky
24 Green Bay Rahim Allen DE LSU
25 Baltimore Daniel Teo-Nestiem DE Washington
26 Arizona Jevan Snead QB Mississippi
27 Dallas Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky
28 Houston Antonio Brown WR Central Michigan
29 NY Jets Walter Thurmond CB Oregon
30 Minnesota Nate Collins DT UVA
31 Philadelphia Jamar Wall CB Texas
32 New Orleans Colin Peek TE Alabama
7th Round
1 St. Louis Andrew Quarless TE Penn State
2 Buffalo Marcus Easley WR Conecticutt
3 Tampa Bay Thomas Welch T Vanderbilt
4 Washington Ted Larsen C NC State
5 Miami Barry Church SS Toledo
6 Seattle Mike Tepper G California
7 Detroit Alex Parsons G USC
8 Oakland Trindon Holliday WR LSU
9 Buffalo John Conner FB Kentucky
10 Tampa Bay Nick Polk FS Indiana
11 Chicago Robert Johnson FS Utah
12 Miami Jamie Kirlew DE Indiana
13 Denver Brandon Deaderick DT Alabama
14 NY Giants Brandon James RB/KR Florida
15 Tennessee Brian Simmons G Oklahoma
16 Carolina John Estes C Hawaii
17 San Francisco Al Woods DT LSU
18 Pittsburgh Sergio Render G Va. Tech
19 St. Louis David Pender CB Purdue
20 Houston Kevein Conner OLB Clemson
21 Cincinnati Cord Howard G GT
22 New England Lonvae Miller RB Fresno State
23 Green Bay Nate Collins DT UVA
24 New England Thomas Austin G Clemson
25 Baltimore Isiah Williams QB Illinois ( No Tate, no Jackson & you got "Juice Williams"..happy?? lol )
26 Arizona Jeff Byers C USC
27 Dallas Nolan Carroll CB Maryland
28 San Diego Chris Marinalli T Stanford
29 NY Jets Travis Ivey DT Maryland
30 Minnesota Emmanuel Sanders WR Southern Methodist
31 Indianapolis Eric Olsen C Notre Dame
32 New Orleans Leigh Tiffin K Alabama
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phins
a round 3 SS?!?!?! Or even 2 SS?!?!?! Way off there rest minus lefell ok fair anyways
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
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not in the first round i meant in third
by rhettchrystal on Mar 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
not in the first round i meant in third
by rhettchrystal on Mar 13, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
he got taken by oakland in third round jags will surely grab im if hes available
by rhettchrystal on Mar 15, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
was pretty sure you would like the 1st pick & it could easily fall out that way. Saffold that early seemed like a reach but I didn’t see him still there for you in the 3rd
my god
if it played out that way…that’s beastly
Jerry Reese = Omar Minaya?
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 13, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
this is awesome
Are you Jerry Reese? I love these picks for the Giants, even down to picking a KR in the 7th. We fill all of our needs, plus get value. I think even the specific players you chose would work for us.
Although if I really wanted to be picky, I think Saffold would play RT. We have Beatty at LT and he doesn’t seem like the RT type – he needs to get stronger. But we need a RT.
I like Chad Jones over Saffold
I havent heard much about Saffold but Chad Jones out of LSU (i think) would fill a major need
And even better
Zoltan Mesko goes undrafted!!!!!! we could pick him up
and he could fill in at MLB if needed
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by Mother Tucker on Mar 14, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I like Chad Jones there too
but don’t say that about Saffold if you don’t know who he is.
He could be BPA at #46 in the draft, so that wouldn’t be a bad pick
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 14, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Saffold dosent sound impressive
He seems a little weak for RT and a little slow for LT (which will be fillled by beatty anyway). I think Jones sounds like the better player as well as the better fit for us right now. I worry more about phillips knees then the combined knees of Diehl and Mckenzie
colt mccoy?
sorry man but we already have 3 qb’s with our qb of the future. not sure if you read but the eagles put a 2 first round trade cap on kevin kolb. i dont think they plan on having him going anywhere. we have to many other needs to go qb in round 2 such as olb, cb depth, id even say dt.
but then again. it is andy reid. and everything else was spot on
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had said on here that as funny as it sounded with Vick, McNabb & Kolb that he thought you gys would need a QB because he thought that one or two of those guys would be gone by the beginning of the season & I thought he might be right. That is why I gave you McCoy in the 3rd, but I could easily be way off on that one.
I think it's good reasoning.
The Eagles have no QB signed after 2010.
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by no1pipelayer on Mar 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Colts
Odrick is fine if the board is that bare of guys I really like. Like Ghee in the 2nd a lot.
In the 3rd I’d like Kyle Calloway, I think he’s a guy they can drop right in at RT.
Beadles is good there, Indy needs to add something on the OL, and pretty much any spot helps.
Schofield would be a DE in the Mathis mold, Indy asks too much of their LBs in coverage to expect someone who didn’t play coverage regularly in college to learn fast and well enough for them. The pick is fine, but I like C.J. Wilson better since he fills the Raheem Brock role so will contribute right now. Schofield wouldn’t play unless Freeney/Mathis were hurt, even if he was healthy, while Wilson would contribute taking run downs and maybe playing some 3-tech DT in passing situations.
Like Olsen that late, but Tiffin would be hard to pass up. Vinatieri is old, expensive and isn’t staying healthy. Tiffin’s accurate with a strong leg.
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oh, and Malor will be pissed at you for calling him Isiah.
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by shake n bake on Mar 13, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Vikings comments
The Vikings can take the BPA, but I don’t think Campbell is the BPA there. Weatherspoon, Mays, and Gresham would all fit the Vikings well and they are proven football players, while Campbell is not.
The rest of the picks were not that great. Two defensive tackles? I guess, but those picks were just not inspiring.
Lions
I like the picks except for the 2nd rd. I think Jahvid Best would be a better pick there. I didn’t see his name anywhere in there
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The worst Buc
Mock i’ve seen. I’d pass on Benn because we have one already on the roster and his name is Michael ( cant catch ) Clayton. Taking a CB in the 4th when you’ve already done that in the 3rd and when LB is a need. Taking a FS when there is no need for it.
I disagree
You make no sense when you say that you don’t need a WR when you already have one “Michael ( can’t catch ) Clayton”, doesn’t the ( can’t catch ) part of your statement mean that you do need a WR & didn’t you just lose Antonio Bryant ?? I like Ronde Barber but isn’t the guy about ready for social security, & most teams have more than one CB. Busting on me for taking a FS in the 7th is BS, that is when you are drafting BPA .
Jaguars
Don’t see them taking 2, if any, WRs especially in the later rounds.
I know i'm being picky here
but you left off quite a few players including Dexter McCluster and you have Jevan Snead drafted twice.
Mclusters in the 4th
and sneads only once
both great picks for that team
and also
if the 9ers draft both Haden and Spiller (which would be amazing value) Haden would be 13 and Spiller at 17 as the secondary would be their greater need.
Haden in the top CB talent in the draft
that 40 time is being blown way out of proportion..it’s not even a representation of his actual speed. I haven’t seen a mock with Haden lower than 15. If he was available at 15 I’d expect the Giants to draft him even without the need for a corner.
The Giants will not draft Haden with McClain on the board
& that 40 time is what he ran, regardless, & it will affect his draft stock.
Jags
The first and third round were ideal.
I was going to say we should’ve taken Walton in the 4th round because the Broncos took him 7 picks later, but that’s ok because we just stole him away from them in the 6th.
As for the WR picks, that’s very doubtful. Alterraun Verner, Brandon Lang and J.D. Walton would make more sense in the 4th round spot instead of Shipley.
Phillip Dillard is a guy the Jags have showed interest in so I think they’d scoop him up if he’s available in the 5th. Kevin Basped, Myron Lewis and Vince Oghobaase would also make sense in that 5th round spot.
If you end up taking J.D. Walton from us in the 6th round, I’d be ok with whoever is the BAP. Looking at the rest of the board I’d go Donovan Warren, Eric Olsen or C.J. Wilson.
I don’t want to sound too much like a stickler. The first and third round picks were perfect for the Jags.
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Fixed the 2nd Walton pick
sorry about the two WRs, that was not intentional but I do like Shipley a lot, I thought he was a great value in the 4th but I shouldn’t have gone with another one in the 5th
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I loved the 1st and 3rd (though I thought Berry was a strong safety, not free?).
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 13, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'm very happy with that draft
the only thing I’d change would be adding a OLB maybe Schofield
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
I don't see the Patriots taking a WR in the 1st.
That could be spent on a OL or a combo DE/OLB.
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what happened
with the raiders 2nd round pick?
i doubt oakland will take tim tebow
theres really no reason to, we have a project QB already
we have bigger meeds than a safety in the 3rd round
u didnt take an OT, that kinda scares me
the rest of the picks are fine
Sorry about the 2nd
I wrote the packers down in your spot, it’s changed now but I am not too sure if CB would be a good fit for your team. I think that Al Davis might draft Tebow with the thought that he could say he drafted him for his athletic abilities & not because he screwed up by taking Russell. Tackle was the 2nd highest need on my list for you, so I have no excuse for not taking one, maybe if I hadn’t messed up your 2nd rd. pick I would have taken one there
thanks
we could take a CB, across from nnamdi, chris johnson sucks
im not to knowledgeable on dan williams, is he good
yea id rather have a OT in the second or third
by raiderfan4life on Mar 14, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like the Browns draft.
No way the Browns pass on Berry. ESPECIALLY for Morgan
Spikes is fine.
Price? Carlton Mitchell would be a much better fit, and so would a CB. like maybe Cox.
Pitta isn’t really a good fit. He can’t block.
Blount is good.
Baspeed wouldn’t be able to play in our defense.
That is too early for Haslam.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 13, 2010 3:19 PM EST reply actions
Sorry Slim
I don’t understand why you guys are so down on my picks for your team, I have always respected your opinion here on MTD so here is my reasoning
I don’t see how any team will go wrong with Derrick Morgan & Brandon Spikes 1 & 2 in a 3-4 D
I used NFLDraftscout for my projections & they had Taylor Price slightly ahead of Cameron Mitchell at 2nd or 3rd rd.you got him in the 3rd.
Dennis Pitta at 2nd or 3rd rd. you got him in the 4th. & I had not heard that he can’t block
Blount was projected at the 6th rd. you got him in the 5th but I thought he would be a good fit as a power RB
Arthur Moats projected at 5th,you got him in the 6th
Haslam projected at 5-6 you got him in the 7th.
Lets look at the browns because you obviously didn’t follow free agency, or even the past season.
Round 1: Lets see, a team that was top 5 at rushing the passer last year and might have had the worst secondary, passes up the best secondary player for a pass rusher? and you say it is best for their need
Round 2: Okay, the browns get DQwell Jackson back healthy and just got Scott Fujita as a free agent, and they use their second round pick on an ILB?? Have you ever watched a browns game? brandon mcdonald is a TERRIBLE CB and the browns pass up some great CBs in round 2.
Round 3: A team that could use another good young RB like Gerhart or Hardesty, or a young QB to groom like Lefevour passes up all of those to reach a little for a receiver? after reaching for receivers last year??? Highly unlikely and very stupid…remember, mangini isn’t the GM anymore.
Roound 3 (2nd pick): the browns pass up More CBs (like Perrish Cox) and passes up a couple of good DTs for the 3-4 (like Mike Neal) to get another receiver? and this one doesn’t fit the new offensive style either…so you actually think the browns will draft 4 WRs in the first 3 rounds, in 2 years?
Round 4: At this point, there are still a couple good CBs available. Also, the browns could use depth at NT and troup can play NT.
Round 5: finally get their RB but still passing up positions such as CB and Safety.
the browns WILL draft at least one DB before the fifth round. that is obvious to anyone who knows anything about the team.
Browns
I’m working on my own 7-rounder, and have many of the same general thoughts about the Browns as this draft. I’ll probably have Morgan in the 1st (Berry is gone in mine), and the CB need does not get addressed quickly. However, between questions about who to pair with Wright and the release of Pool, I think they will draft at least one DB early. Maybe two. Then again, Holmgren thinks Delhomme is a good QB. Under those assumptions, we could see Zoltan in the 1st.
7 rounders are hard. The Browns signed Fujita, I changed 30 picks on my board. And comp picks are still to come!
Top five in rushing the passer??
You guys had the 32nd ranked D in YPG, you were 31st against the rush & 28th against the pass & 29th in YPR which is yards per run. Your DEs stink, the sacks you are getting are from your LBers Wimbley & Bowens. Derrick Morgan is the beast DE in this draft & would improve your pass defense & your run defense, ( that’s right Einstein, DEs, especially in a 3-4 are supposed to stop the run, not just rush the passer )You also got Brandon Spikes, one of the best ILBs & probably the best run stopping ILB in this draft. I am not going to go into your other snotty comments, if you don’t like my draft then don’t read it. I am not an expert on your team or on the draft & I am not pretending to be. It is something that I find to be very interesting, this is not the real thing, that s in April.
The stats you sited didn't directly address the claim of the pass rush
They were 8th in the league in sacks, but the pass D was still wretched, that’s how bad the coverage is.
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by shake n bake on Mar 14, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not disputing their coverage was terrible Shake
My point was that a DE is also a run stopper not just a pass rusher,& they were ranked 31st against the run, only Detroit was worse. Also a lot of those sacks came from their LBers not the DEs which is why I gave them Derrick Morgan. I am not even saying I was right, I have no doubt that he knows his team much better than I do but there is no need for the snotty attitude or comments like “highly unlikely & very stupid”. I came up with the team needs by reading what people had said here on MTD which for the Browns were CB,WR,TE,FS,RT or RG,Power RB DE/OLB ILB & from a site called Football Futures which had their needs as RT,3-4DE ILB,WR,S,& TE put the two together & picked accordingly. They picked up Tony Pashos in FA so I left that off, if my other picks did not fit bross09 needs for his team, I think I will still be able to sleep at night.
The sacks are coming from OLBs because in a 3-4 that is where pressure should come from. There is no way Morgan could be a 2 gap DE in a 3-4. NO WAY at all.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Morgan
I agree, he is not a 3-4 DE. He measured in smaller than projected, so he is even less of a 4-3 LDE prospect now. I was picking him for the Browns as an OLB – really liked the agility he showed at the combine. And given Wimbley’s trade today, my guess looks even better.
Morgan will be a 3-4 OLB
they run the 3-4 and thats why their DE’s dont get any sacks
you got
Dickson going twice in the fourth.
by mooseknuckles41 on Mar 13, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions
Jets
You did so well on the Giants, but missed on the Jets. Their o-line is the strongest part of the team. Two of their oldest players are the starting 3-4 DEs, and one is a UFA, but the position does not seem to have been addressed (Young is a 4-3 DE and Ivey seems to be more of a NT). Other than DE, top needs are a speed WR, CB, and linebacker depth. And probably a free safety, Pool’s concussions are a concern.
You are probably right
& on my team needs I had 3-4 DE & 3-4 OLB as their two top needs but because their D was so good last year I went O-line in the 1st to eventually replace Faneca who I have read has become one dimensional & is also aging. Eric Norwood will be a very good OLB/DE & would be a very good fit in Rex Ryans D IMO. Willie Young is a 3-4 DE & Walter Thurmond was a highly respected prospect at CB until a knee injury sidelined him in October. Eric Decker is not a speed WR but he is a big target with good hands & he has medium (4.54 ) speed. Ivey is a NT, I thought he would provide depth at the position
Jets
Faneca is not what he once was but he should still have multiple years left, and the rest of the line is so good that they can cover for whoever plays there. Norwood would be a good player for them, and might make sense if they had filled one of their holes in the 1st. Decker and Thurmond are both talented guys that the pros like but many here are not familiar with because their injuries have held them out of recent events. Young was only 251 lbs at the combine., and apparently that is following an effort to gain weight. I can’t find a 3-4 DE that plays serious time that is less than 285 lbs.
So if you had given them Odrick in the 1st (went soon after to Indy), and given them more a more appropriate depth player in the 5th (3-4 DE, ILB, CB, or S, or even G), that would be fine.
He is projected in a 3-4
but not as a DE, as a LB ( which is where I screwed it up ).This is from Draft Scout Rankings
“12/01/09 – 12/01 NFL Draft Scout Riser : Willie Young, DE North Carolina State: Though Young didn’t add to his 2009 total of eight sacks in the 28 – 27 win over North Carolina, it was easy to see why NFL teams using a 3-4 base defensive scheme are intrigued by his potential as a linebacker. A lanky but strong 6-5, 250 lb.s, Youngs length & active hands allow him to beat tackles on an outside pass rush.” I blew right thru the LBer part & missed ( or never even thought about ) his weight.
Pretty good Cowboys draft.
If you changed Selvie to the OG Marshall Newhouse it would be a great draft. I am not that huge a fan of Tate, but since we get Veldeheer in the 2nd it works. I am a little iffy on Wright, but he is climbing a lot of draft boards.
Ravens
Like the picks. Doubt Hernandes will be available late in 5.
Good job
talent vs. need
There are actually not many teams that “need” a TE, although the talent pool is strong. I’m finding it hard to project who will pick them at their projected value spots myself.
Terrible draft for the Chiefs
I was thinking Berry FS, Golden Tate WR, J.D Walton C, Linval Joseph NT, and Micah Johnson ILB
The Dolphins need a FS, not a SS.
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but we don’t need two WR’s, we have young talent at WR. Please disregard the notion that we still have sucky Wrs like Matt Jones.
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