My first Mock Draft 1st round (revised)
by TheAngelsColts on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 PM EST
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Feel free to critique me as much as you feel. Yes I do know there are still some really good prospects left but I think this is most likely. If you see one that is just totally wrong cause of Scheme let me know.
Well i find when you make what change many of your picks change.
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1) St. Louis Rams - Sam Bradford (QB, Oklahoma) |
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2) Detroit Lions - Russell Okung (T, Oklahoma State) |
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3) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Ndamukong Suh (DT, Nebraska) |
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4) Washington Redskins - Bryan Bulaga (T, Iowa) |
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5) Kansas City Chiefs - Eric Berry (S, Tennessee) |
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6) Seattle Seahawks - Jimmy Clausen ( QB, Notre Dame) |
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7) Cleveland Browns - Gerald McCoy (DT, Oklahoma) |
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8) Oakland Raiders - Bruce Campbell (T, Maryland) |
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9) Buffalo Bills - Trent Williams (T, Oklahoma) |
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10) Jacksonville Jaguars - Jason Pierre-Paul (DE/OLB, South Florida) |
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11) Denver Broncos - Dan Williams (DT, Tennessee) |
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12) Miami Dolphins - Joe Haden (CB/S, Florida) |
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13) San Francisco 49ers - Anthony Davis (T, Rutgers) |
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14) Seattle Seahawks - Charles Brown (T, USC) |
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15) New York Giants - Rolando McClain (ILB, Alabama) |
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16) Tennessee Titans - Kyle Wilson (CB, Boise State) |
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17) San Francisco 49ers - C.J. Spiller (HB/KR/PR, Clemson) |
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18) Pittsburgh Steelers - Earl Thomas (S/CB, Texas) |
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19) Atlanta Falcons - Derrick Morgan (DE, Georgia Tech) |
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20) Houston Texans - Brian Price (DT, UCLA) |
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21) Cincinnati Bengals - Taylor Mays (S/LB USC) |
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22) New England Patriots - Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas |
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23) Green Bay Packers - Mike Iupati (G/RT, Idaho) |
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24) Philadelphia Eagles - Carlos Dunlap (DE, Florida) |
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25) Baltimore Ravens - Dez Bryant (WR, Oklahoma State) |
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26) Arizona Cardinals - Sean Weatherspoon (OLB, Missouri) |
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27) Dallas Cowboys - Maurkice Pouncey (G/C, Florida) |
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28) San Diego Chargers - Javhid Best (RB, Cal) |
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29) New York Jets - Donovan Warren (CB, Michigan) |
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30) Minnesota Vikings - Brandon Graham (DE/OLB, Michigan) |
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31) Indianapolis Colts - Corey Wootton (DE, Northwestern) |
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32) New Orleans Saints - Jared Odrick (DT, Penn State) |
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Interesting.
Nice mock and different. Just about every mock is the exact same so it’s good to see a different take. although I don’t see Detroit going with Okung even though I think they should. I think they’re committed to Backus. Also I don’t see McClain, Bryant, Berry dropping that far. And 5 tackles in the top 10 seems unlikely but overall i like the uniqueness.
yea the Okung pick I made as it was who I really think they should take.
That pick really ended up changing this whole mock in my mind because of where that made some players fall. Yea 5 tackles in the top 10 is interesting but I wanted not to draft with only so many in this section and so on. I got to the bottom and was like what all the tackles are gone lol.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 2, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I <3 you for Bryant! Great pick. You are not the first person I have seen recently having Bryant falling to the Ravens. It is really interesting that I heard so much last week that he would not make it out of the top 12, now some mocks have him going to us. Now, you could put Bryant in every mock for the Ravens. I would be perfectly happy with that one.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
So, this isn't revenge or anything, but...
The TItans don’t need a DT. Unless it is Suh or McCoy I guarantee they won’t take one in the 1st. This is a position many people think the Titans need more than they do. Just because the Titans defense declined post-Albert Haynsworth doesn’t mean it was because of the DT position. It was largely because our DEs were far worse and because Nick Harper couldn’t cover a rock. Albert drew double teams and that helped, but we have Jason Jones (2008 2nd round pick, great potential), Tony Brown (Pro Bowl caliber), and Sen’Derrick Marks (2009 2nd round pick, also has tremendous potential). We also have hole-plugger Kevin Vickerson as our 4th DT.
I wasn't sure who else would really fit so I went with the overall consensus and he is a good player.
In your opinion then who would be your options for that spot?? (not revenge you say :) )
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 2, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Our top needs
are DE, CB, OLB (1a, 1b, 1c in my opinion, although it depends what happens in free agency). In this scenario, I think we’d take McClain and move him to OLB. Other possibilities include Kyle Wilson, Dunlap, Earl Thomas (then move to CB), Weatherspoon, Griffen, or Jackson.
i was very close to giving you CB had him in the slot but took them out last second.
I probably would have given you Wilson. or jackson
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 3, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
If picking between the two
And we valued them similarly, we’d pick Wilson, because he also has a lot of KR/PR value, which we need. Our PR especially was atrocious last year, and was almost the entire reason we lost the Jets game (our returner fumbled two returns, and when he did return it he was worthless)
Ill try and remember to keep this in mind my next mock.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 3, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
The affect losing Haynesworth had on your team
Is what I’d like all who mock Bradford to us to look at. Suh is capable of having that kind of blanket effect on the rest of our D-line. Maybe not the first year but shortly after. What Bradford can bring could be brought by other QBs in the next draft, IMHO.
I agree and think that would be the best pick for you but don't believe it will be the pick.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 3, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
The turn around after they benched Collins
and started Young will cause more people to give you a QB
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
Oh I don't think so
That fact will not cause one serious mocker to change positions unless they were on the way over the fence already.
I like the 49ers picks
Could you briefly explain why you think they would go Spiller at #17? I just want some insight from non-49er fans. Thanks
Go 49ers
I don’t think he is a huge need for you but a breat value pick that you can afford with having two picks. Also I think it brings that great quickness and he also has return ability although I don’t see him in that role. My third reason is injury concerns for you starting RB who was hurt this past season and he is good. If he has more injury issues spiller could turn into a great aceet
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 3, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
that was weird i saw you replied in my profile so I came to read it and it appeared after i was here for a min. lol
what do you think of the rest of the draft?
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 3, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
pretty good
I think the chargers might like Mattews over best because of the injury concern with Best.
Go 49ers
Maybe but i was thinking Best or Dwyer. They I think will want a more elusive back I think. They like someone able to make quick cuts and thats fast.
look at LdT and sprioles. Not sure why they let the second guy go though.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 3, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Also I dont think the dolphins would get Haden
they have Vontae Davis and Sean Smith. I think they would be more likely to get McClain.
Go 49ers
Giants
I would rather have them take McClain or Thomas before Morgan.
by G Fan in England on Mar 3, 2010 4:05 AM EST reply actions
Damn..I must’ve started a Derrick Morgan craze….
Morgan is strictly a BPA type pick at #15. He ain’t a need. Only way I think he gets chosen is if they compare him to 2 other DL’s like Price and Williams and think he’s jus that much better.
Rolando McClain is a better player. Even if he’s equal to Morgan in rating…he fits more of a need.
With McClain on the board…I highly doubt they’d draft a DE with McClain on the board.
Master of the squeegee
You did
start a craze with Morgan
I am waiting for Spiller mania to break out as the Giants first round pick..
Now I read somewhere you have entered Bulaga into your possible candiidates!
by G Fan in England on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
Damn good mock
dude
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by KansasCityShuffle on Mar 3, 2010 1:32 PM EST reply actions
Good Mock
I dont see the Lions taking Okung with Suh on the board though. I could see them taking Okung over McCoy but not Suh.
Brandon Graham is a 3-4 OLB in the NFL
Minnesota runs a 4-3. Not a good fit there. He’s too small to play DE in a 4-3 scheme.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Still on the small side for a 4-3 DE
6’1" 270 is the same size as Dwight Freeney, who is a small DE. Guys Freeney’s size typically don’t succeed in the NFL as a 4-3 DE without incredible skills.
OK.
6"1 to me just isn’t as shiny as 6"4.
In reality its 3 inches. Dude’s strong, fast, yes..plays the run, and oh yea…268lbs.
Someone like Sergio Kindle is not a 4-3 DE. He’s 6"4 255lbs, a size taht there’s plenty of DE’s that go by that size and are successful.
…he’s just not that.
Just cuz they pass the “eye test” doesn’t mean they don’t fit.
I’d assume that if Brandon Graham was 6"3 268lbs he’d be a 4-3 DE? Like Derrick Morgan?
I’m getting a good LOL out of this you know.
I constantly hear that Derrick Morgan is a 4-3 DE..yet, Graham is a 3-4 DE.
Morgan is 6"3 266. Graham is 6"1 268.
2 inches? For real?
He’s a football player.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 3, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
**I hear that Graham is a 3-4 OLB
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 3, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Relax, dude
6’1" is short for a 4-3 DE in the NFL. I’m not trying to say anything about Graham’s abilities, good or bad, just that he doesn’t have the ideal body type to be a NFL 4-3 DE. Dwight Freeney stands out because guys with his body type are rarely as effective as he is. I never said that Graham wouldn’t have success in the NFL, just that he doesn’t have the idea body type for the position.
2 inches? For real?
Yes, 2 inches can mean a real difference. A 6’0" QB is going to get fewer looks than a 6’2" QB. A 5’10" WR is short, a 6’ WR isnt. Being short isn’t going to prevent a guy from being successful, but its going to make things harder.
He’s a football player.
So’s Tim Tebow. What does this even mean?
Ya, that's too small for a 4-3 DE
4-3 DE’s aren’t just pass rushers the way 3-4 OLB’s are. 4-3 DE’s need to be able to stuff the run.
So now you know.
Look up some NFL 4-3 DE’s. With the exception of Indy’s guys, most are around 6’4" + and 270+
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
nah..I think you’re mixing that up with the 3-4 DE’s. 3-4 DE’s are usually 6"3 and up, 290lbs and up.
4-3 DE’s don’t have to be that tall and weigh that much.
Andre Carter is 250 lbs. Will Smith is 6"3 280. Juqua Parker is 6"2 250lbs Darryl Tapp is 6"1 270. Trent Cole is 6"2 270, these are NFL defensive ends.
If anything….6"1 270lbs is too big for a OLB. That’s a bout 10-20lbs too big.
Just so ya know.
Master of the squeegee
No, if you read my original post again I said Graham is a 3-4 OLB, not DE
But I’ll end this discussion with this: I could really care less about the other 31 teams, I was just making a point about my team. I know that Brandon Graham is an exciting prospect, but I also know that he doesn’t fit my team’s scheme. My team heavily relies on its front four to not only put pressure on the QB, but to also stop the run (DE’s included). If you look at our DE’s, they are all 6’3" and over. And yes 2 inches makes a huge difference in terms of leverage, which is huge for the guys in the trenches, something you may or may not know anything about.
Brandon Graham will likely get interest from teams that run a 3-4 and use him as an OLB, much like the way Denver uses Dummerville and Pittsburgh uses Harrison. But if he falls to 30, great, he’s a good player. Have a great day!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Osi Umenyiora is 6"2.
Also…something you also may have forgotten…those shorter dudes can get better leverage, then the tall ones, actually..especially if they are as strong as Graham (more you know)
So…maybe I’m just biased thinking for my team, given a good pass rusher is close to Graham’s height?
Master of the squeegee
Graham isn’t similar to Dumerville at all.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 4, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
All the guys you listed are average players at best. Juqua Parker???
The best guy Will Smith, and he fits my description 6’3" 280 lbs. Thanks for proving my point. You make this too easy!
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Okay, I didnt want to have to do this, but...
top 10 Sack Leaders in the NFL (DE) 2009
1. Jared Allen 6’6"
2. Dwight Freeny 6’1"
3. Will Smith 6’3"
4. Trent Cole 6’3"
5. Andre Carter 6’5"
6. Julias Peppers 6’8"
7. Robert Mathis 6’2"
8. Mario Williams 6’6" *(3-4 DE)
9. Ray Edwards 6’5"
10. Antwan Odom 6’5"
What have we learned class?
From the looks of it, maybe Graham will be a good fit in Indy. Because other than their scheme, most successful defensive ends in the NFL are 6’3" +
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I like how you left off Parker
for Odom
Graham is basically the same size as Cole, outweights Carter by 20lbs, and outweighs the mentioned Odom.
What did class learn? Teacher skews truth to his (her?) liking.
Master of the squeegee
8 of the 10 men listed
are 6’3" or taller. Nothing skewed about that. Height = better leverage. Better leverage= better play. Better play= better results. The results are in class:
Unless you play for Indy (which I previously mentioned as the exception to the rule), and you want to be a successful 4-3 DE in the NFL, your chances increase if you are 6’3" or taller.
Minor oversight, Parker and Odom are tied for 10th (for DE’s, 20th overall). Yippie. Parker’s career sack total prior to the 09 season? A whopping 10.
And you can call me Mr. NMVike.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
simply..you don’t know that (beware the teacher that has no evidence…)
Cuz there aren’t many Brandon Graham’s out there..not on the Colts. So you don’t know how a DE’s going to do who’s not tall.
I haven’t seen many 6"1 DE’s bust…cuz there aren’t many 6"1 DE’s.
In college they are converted to OLB..or they’re made into someone like Brian Price or Sedrick Ellis as they get fat.
And when you’re shorter, its easier to get under a taller OT’s shoulder pads (simple anatomy, some physics…the more you know).
Master of the squeegee
I haven’t seen many 6"1 DE’s bust…cuz there aren’t many 6"1 DE’s.
Exactly. Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
And when you’re shorter, its easier to get under a taller OT’s shoulder pads (simple anatomy, some physics…the more you know).
How much power are these shorter DE’s gonna have when if they get under an OT’s pads, I mean considering they’ll be standing on their tippy toes…?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
and the Colts DE’s have shown that you can do it.
There’s not many 6"1 270lbs humans in the NFL.
You act like 6"1 is 5"1.
Think I’m done playing this game…obviously working with a biased party.
Master of the squeegee
Standing on their tippy toes? What are you talking about? That makes no sense at all.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 4, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
try listening in class next time
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Actually, less height gives you better leverage.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 4, 2010 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Graham will play LE if a 4-3 team drafts him.
His height isn’t the issue, it’s his arm length. Shorter people have shorter arms. Graham doesn’t have elite burst, but he does have a relentless motor, like Lamar Woodley. He will struggle on the right where the LT’s have enough range to stop his speed rush. He will only have the bull rush and power moves. On the left side, he’ll be facing less athletic tackles and can use his full repertoire to success.
As a 3-4 OLB, he already is far enough outside to get a decent speed burst on the OT, which is why it isn’t as big a deal. However, he will be a rush guy only, his 260 pounds will struggle in coverage. That’s why I think he’s a good fit with a team like Atlanta or New York.
The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
by Flowing Willow on Mar 5, 2010 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think you need to pay better attention in physics class
let me know how that goes for you
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
you must be listening to Todd McShay a lot these days...
less height gives you better leverage??? Maybe in Bizarro world
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
you gotta get under the shoulder pads to get leverage
what better way to do that then be shorter and stronger then your opponent?
Or in the “real world” do the Shoulder pads go below the shoulders?
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 11, 2010 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ok but that's were leverage comes in
Getting under a guys pads is important yes, but also have the length behind it to lean on the guy and use leverage instead of sheer strength. Your weight becomes a lot more of a force because you are angled. You don’t have to rely as much on muscle which is good because its not just one down we’re talking about. We’re talking about a 60 minute football game. This is why any line coach will tell you that the incline press is more important to a lineman than the flat bench. Those guys are always blocking at an angle.
I guess you’ve never had to loosen a bolt, jack up a car or pry open anything in your life. If you had, you would know that if you have a long bar, you get more leverage than you do with a short one.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
shorter
long arms, stronger.
= leverage.
Master of the squeegee
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 14, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Jaguars pick
If we pick JPP, (which I doubt) you’d wouldn’t need bother putting him as an OLB cuz we aren’t a 3-4 Def. He’s too raw for our GM and I’d think if we did get our 3rd DE in the 3 years high, it’d wouldn’t be such a bust or boom player. We’re small market so we cant afford picking someone like that. I’d soooooooooooooo much rather have Haden than JPP, or Morgan.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 3, 2010 7:47 PM EST reply actions
You see Wootton moving up to the first?
I’m curious as to your reasoning. I didn’t read of him during the combine when the D-Linemen were on display.
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Vikings
Brandon Graham wouldn’t really fill any position of need, but he is a good player. I don’t know how he could possibly fall that far in the draft.
Seattle
Your Seattle picks are what a lot of the folks over at Field Gulls are hoping for. Me included.
I think it also might be a possibility that the Hawks go for someone like Spiller at 14 and gamble on Brown being there at 40 (kind of a long shot).
John Morgan at Field Gulls has recently watched film of Brian Price, Tyson Alualu, and Lamarr Houston. Lamarr Houston seemed to be the best of those three and I hope he’s still available at #40.
Overall, I think your mock is very reasonable and realistic.
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