Shake's 3/21 Mock Draft
A few picks changing hands, some Pro Day results and more FA signings means it's time for a new mock
| Round 1 | |||||
| 1 | St Louis | Sam Bradford |
QB | Oklahoma | Not the pick I'd make, but what the Rams appear set to do. |
| 2 | Detroit | Ndamukong Suh | DT | Nebraska |
The top player in the draft at the position of the Lions biggest need, Lions fans rejoice. The Lions added Corey Williams, but Williams is a 3-tech while Suh is strong enough to be a disruptive 1-tech |
| 3 | Tampa Bay |
Gerald McCoy |
DT | Oklahoma | Elite player at a major need position. |
| 4 | Washington | Russel Okung | OT | Oklahoma St. | The Redskins missed out on a free agent LT, and they are set to go with Jason Campbell for another year. Okung helps give Campbell a decent shot and set the table for a QB of the future. |
| 5 | Kansas City | Eric Berry | S | Tennessee | Berry is one of the rare safeties that justify a top 10 pick. |
| 6 | Seattle | Derrick Morgan | DE | Georgia Tech | Pete Carrol obviously sees something in Charlie Whitehurst to have given up 20 slots in the 2nd round for him. |
| 7 | Cleveland | Joe Haden | CB | Florida | You don't pay Delhomme that much to be a 1 year stopgap (I would say you don't pay Delhomme that much period, but what do I know). Haden put the speed concerns to rest at his Pro Day. |
| 8 | Oakland | Bruce Campbell | OT | Maryland | Freak athlete at a need position. Easy. |
| 9 | Buffalo | Jimmy Clausen | QB | Notre Dame | The Bills have a lot of needs, but no team wants to go into a season with Ryan Fitzpatrick as it's QB. |
| 10 | Jacksonville | Rolando McClain | MLB | Alabama | BPA for the Jags now that they've made a move to help the pass rush. |
| 11 | Denver | Dan Williams | NT | Tennessee | With so many teams running 3-4s now the key parts on the DL are going to greatly increase in value. They have Jamal Williams in the fold, but he's aging and coming off a major injury. |
| 12 | Miami | Sergio Kindle | OLB | Texas | An edge rusher to fill Joey Porter's spot in the D. |
| 13 | San Fran | Bryan Bulaga | OT | Iowa | Niners get a great tackle to start at RT and slide to LT if needed. |
| 14 | Seattle | Charles Brown | OT | USC | Seattle needs a LT with Walter Jones strugging with a knee injury and pondering retirement. Brown fits the ZBS better than Anthony Davis and the LT position better than Trent Williams. |
| 15 | NY Giants | Brian Price | DT | UCLA | Earl Thomas is value here, but even if Phillips isn't ready for week 1, two 1st rounders and a FA deal like Rolle's is too much to put into the safety spot. |
| 16 | Tennessee | Jason Pierre-Paul | DE | South Florida | The Titans pass D was shredded last year due to a lack of pass rush and DB injuries. |
| 17 | San Fran | C.J. Spiller | RB | Clemson | A secondary back, utility player and return man to give the Niners O a boost behind the upgraded line. |
| 18 | Pittsburgh | Earl Thomas | S | Texas | Thomas can compliment Polamalu as the free safety and do a better job moving around the D as a fill in than anyone they had last year. |
| 19 | Atlanta | Brandon Graham | DE | Michigan | A very productive pass rusher who holds up well against the run |
| 20 | Houston | Kyle Wilson | CB | Boise St. | 2nd best CB in the draft to replace Dunta. |
| 21 | Cincinnati | Dez Bryant | WR | Oklahoma St. | Top WR in the draft falls to a team badly in need of targets. |
| 22 | New England | Jared Odrick | DE | Penn St. | Pats need to rebuild their front 7 and Odrick is better value than any 3-4 OLB left. |
| 23 | Green Bay | Anthony Davis | OT | Rutgers | The Packers can go the Tarik Glenn (another elite pass protector with weight issues) path with Davis, starting him at LG as a rookie before kicking him out to LT for the next decade. |
| 24 | Philadelphia | Sean Weatherspoon | OLB | Missouri | Weatherspoon to replace Witherspoon. |
| 25 | Baltimore | Carlos Dunlap | DE | Florida | With the WR corps upgraded through trade the Ravens can keep their D at a high level with a great talent like Dunlap. |
| 26 | Arizona | Trent Williams | T/G | Oklahoma | The Cards pass pro was good but not great and they struggled keeping defenders out of the backfield against the run with over 1 in 5 runs going for no gain or a loss. Williams should help that and boost their bottom 5 success in power running. |
| 27 | Dallas | Mike Iupati | G | Idaho | A big mauler, Iupati fits the Cowboys mold perfectly. |
| 28 | San Diego | Ryan Mathews | RB | Frenso St. | Nice compliment to Sproles, who shouldn't be counted on to carry a major share of the load at his size. |
| 29 | NY Jets | Ricky Sapp | OLB | Clemson | The Jets got 11 sacks from their OLBs, only 3 from their OLB not named Calvin Pace. Sapp gives them another guy to get after the passer from that spot. |
| 30 | Minnesota | Devin McCourty | CB | Rutgers | Great fit for a Tampa-2 inspired D like Leslie Fraizer's in Minny. |
| 31 | Indianapolis | Maurkice Pouncey | C/G | Florida | With the first round tackles gone and without great value elsewhere the Colts add a stud guard and successor to Jeff Saturday in the middle. |
| 32 | New Orleans | Everson Griffen | DE | USC | High potential DE, who didn't live up to it in his college production. Worth the risk this late in the 1st. |
| Round 2 | |||||
| 33 | St Louis | Jermaine Gresham | TE | Oklahoma | A great receiving TE is a rookie QBs best friend. |
| 34 | Detroit | Chad Jones | SS | LSU | Big strong safety with decent range and great run support skills. |
| 35 | Tampa Bay | Golden Tate | WR | Notre Dame | Great WR prospect for a team that needs to upgrade that spot if they expect Freeman to succeed. |
| 36 | Kansas City | Terrence Cody | NT | Alabama | For all his flaws Cody can hold down the middle, which will get him drafted early by a 3-4 team. |
| 37 | Washington | Colt McCoy | QB | Texas | The Redskins have their cornerstone LT, now they need the new FO's QB of the future for Okung to protect. |
| 38 | Cleveland | Damian Williams | WR | USC | The Browns are majorly lacking targets after shipping Edwards and Winslow out of town. |
| 39 | Oakland | Taylor Mays | S | USC | With how well he worked out at the combine he's a possibility at #8. Al Davis would be thrilled with him at #39. |
| 40 | San Diego | Patrick Robinson | CB | Florida St. | While he is more a cover corner he's gotta make more of an effort in run support than Cromartie did. |
| 41 | Buffalo | Rodger Saffold | OT | Indiana | The Bills D needs an injection of 3-4 talent, but with their franchise QB in the fold they've gotta protect him. |
| 42 | Tampa Bay | Daryl Washington | OLB | TCU | Washington is a perfect fit for a Tampa-2 team at WILL or if they are willing to give up a bit of size, MIKE. |
| 43 | Miami | Nate Allen | S | South Florida | The Dolphins were beat deep too often. With a new OLB and S that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 44 | New England | Jerry Hughes | OLB | TCU | The Pats get a excellent pass rusher to continue the front 7 revamp. |
| 45 | Denver | Brandon Spikes | ILB | Florida | His inability to run a 40 in under 5 seconds has raised serious concerns about his range, but he covered his lack of speed well at Florida with great instincts. In the mid 2nd they can take the risk that he'll only be a 2 down player and hopefully get a stud LB. |
| 46 | NY Giants | Morgan Burnett | S | Georgia Tech | Burnett is versatile enough to play both safety spots. He can fill in until Phillips is ready to return and give the Giants a great 3 safety combo after. |
| 47 | New England | Jonathan Dwyer | RB | Georgia Tech | Dwyer will need an adjustment period coming from a triple option O, and the Pats RB by committee arrangement will give him the time. He can be their pounding inside back as he learns to play in the passing game. |
| 48 | Carolina | Demaryious Thomas | WR | Georgia Tech | Bey-Bey needs to learn to run a Pro route tree, but his triple option experience taught him to block well, an significant asset to a team that runs like Carolina. Thomas is a project but has the WR classes highest ceiling. |
| 49 | San Francisco | Reshad Jones | SS | Georgia | A high potential guy with enough polish to contribute early. |
| 50 | Kansas City | Aaron Hernandez | TE | Florida | The Chiefs have several solid options for blocking TEs, but Hernandez gives them a great receiving threat there. |
| 51 | Houston | Toby Gerhart | RB | Stanford | A power back to compliment Slaton's shifty style with the skills to contribute to the Texans passing game. |
| 52 | Pittsburgh | Kareem Jackson | CB | Alabama | With Thomas and Jackson the Steelers should be able to hold onto their late leads next year. |
| 53 | New England | Mike Johnson | G/RT | Alabama | The Pats upgrade their offensive front after building up the D's. |
| 54 | Cincinnati | Rob Gronkowski | TE | Arizona | Excellent value on a TE that'll block well in-line and provide a reliable target. |
| 55 | Philadelphia | Dominique Franks | CB | Oklahoma | DB value to help the D hold onto the leads the explosive O gains. |
| 56 | Green Bay | Eric Norwood | OLB | South Carolina | The rare 3-4 OLB prospect that won't have to learn to play in space and coverage. |
| 57 | Baltimore | Anthony McCoy | TE | USC | Baltimore Ravens, offensive powerhouse? |
| 58 | Arizona | Navarro Bowman | ILB | Penn State | Linebacker U product to replace Dansby |
| 59 | Dallas | Arrelious Benn |
WR | Illinois | Big WR to take the place of the disappointing Roy Williams. |
| 60 | Seattle | Jahvid Best | RB | California | Justin Forsett has some promise, but Best is great value here as an explosive RB. |
| 61 | NY Jets | Brandon LaFell | WR | LSU | Value on a new target for the Sanchise. |
| 62 | Minnesota | Montario Hardesty | RB | Tennessee | Everything Adrian Peterson isn't. A good pass blocker with plenty of skill and experience catching out of the backfield and good ball security. |
| 63 | Indianapolis | Corey Wootton | DE/DT | Northwestern |
A perfect fit for Raheem Brock's vacated role as a run down DE and sliding inside in passing situations. A steal if he regains the explosiveness of his junior year, a role player if he doesn't. |
| 64 | New Orleans | Arthur Jones | DT | Syracuse | Stout DT to combine with a pair of disruptive DTs in the Saints middle. |
| Round 3 | |||||
| 65 | St. Louis | Jermaine Cunningham | DE | Florida | Pass rusher to play opposite Chris Long instead of the aged Leonard Little. |
| 66 | Detroit | Vlad Ducasse | G | Massachusetts | Good guard with the possibility of a future move to tackle. |
| 67 | Tampa Bay | Jason Worilds | DE | Virgina Tech |
Additional pass rush to boost the D. |
| 68 | Kansas City | Dexter McCluster | ATH | Mississippi | Versatile offensive weapon for the Chiefs. Could be their Kevin Faulk. |
| 69 | Washington | X | X | X | Forfeit for pick 2009 Supplemental Draft |
| 70 | Oakland | Geno Atkins | DT | Georgia | Lots of DT value on the board. Raiders obviously get the best athlete with the questionable motor. |
| 71 | Philadelphia | T.J. Ward | S | Oregon | More DB help for the Eagles to keep the pass D strong. |
| 72 | Cleveland | Ben Tate | RB | Auburn | Strong back to compliment Jerome Harrison |
| 73 | Buffalo | Cam Thomas | NT | North Carolina | A key piece to the Bills new 3-4. |
| 74 | Miami | Torrell Troup | NT | Central Florida | The running theme of 3-4 teams needing to make sure they get their pieces. |
| 75 | Jacksonville | Perish Cox | CB | Oklahoma St. | Eventual replacement for Rashean Mathis and a good returner for a team without one. |
| 76 | Chicago | Jared Veldheer | OT | Hillsdale | A excellent tackle prospect falls to the Chicago's first pick. Bears fans rejoice. |
| 77 | NY Giants | Donald Butler | MLB | Connecticut | Successor to Antonio Pierce in the middle of the Giants D. |
| 78 | Tennessee | Donovan Warren | CB | Michigan | Aggressive CB to pair with Cortland Finnegan. |
| 79 | Carolina | Lamarr Houston | DT | Texas | disruptive tackle for the interior of the Panthers Tampa-2 inspired D. |
| 80 | San Francisco | J.D. Walton | C/G | Baylor | Strong bruiser of an interior lineman to strengthen the Niners line. |
| 81 | Denver | Matt Tennant | C/G | Boston College | Athletic lineman to fit the Broncos' scheme. |
| 82 | Houston | Shawn Lauvao | G | Arizona St. | Bolstering the Texans line, to keep the offense rolling. |
| 83 | Pittsburgh |
Ciron Black | T/G | LSU | Formerly a elite LT prospect Black can contribute in several different places along the line. |
| 84 | Atlanta | Roderick Muckelroy | OLB | Texas | Graham and Muckelroy will be a big upgrade on the edge of the Falcons front 7. |
| 85 | Cincinnati | Greg Hardy | DE | Mississippi | Could be a young Julius Peppers or could be a fat injured and young Peppers. |
| 86 | Cleveland | Alex Carrington | DE | Arkansas St. | Very good 3-4 DE prospect. |
| 87 | Green Bay | Akwasi Owusu-Ansah | CB | Indiana (PA) | Big physical CB will fit right in with the Packers scheme. |
| 88 | Philadelphia | Koa Misi |
DE | Utah | Good pass rusher to line up opposite Trent Cole. |
| 89 | Arizona | Amari Spievey | CB | Iowa | CB depth is a need for a team that expects to light up the scoreboard on O. |
| 90 | Arizona | Linval Joseph | DT | East Carolina | Big DT/NT for the middle of the Cards hybrid D. |
| 91 | Dallas | Darrell Stuckey | S | Kansas | OL, WR, and finally safety to round out the Cowboy's top needs. |
| 92 | San Diego | Jamar Chaney | ILB | Mississippi St. | With the NTs value off the board the Chargers strengthen their LB corps. |
| 93 | Cleveland | Dennis Pitta | TE | BYU | Versatile target to play in-line and in the slot. |
| 94 | Minnesota | Dan LeFevour | QB | Central Michigan | Vikings need a QB of the future, but likely have some time to develop him. |
| 95 | Indianapolis | Javier Arenas | CB | Alabama | CB depth and the return game are two of the Colts weakest spots. Arenas addresses both. |
| 96 | New Orleans | Sean Lee | LB | Penn State | LB who is strong against the run with blitzing skills for the Saints aggressive D. |
15 Best Remaining:
QB:Jevan Snead, Sean Cantfield, Tony Pike
RB: Joe McKnight, Anthony Dixon
WR: Jordan Shipley, Marty Gilyard, Dezmond Briscoe,
TE: Ed Dickson
DT: D'Anthony Smith
DE: George Selvie
LB: Pat Angerer
CB: Trevard Lindley, Brandon Ghee,
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As much as I want to believe that Reid will surprise us
I just don’t Andy taking a LB in the first round. It is the most useless position on an NFL team in his opinion. I would love to see Weatherspoon in midnight green, but I just know it won’t happen. Akeem Jordan isn’t a bad WILL, but he didn’t play well after the injury. Even if we were to draft Sean, I believe it would be for the SLB spot rather than the WLB spot.
who do you like available there?
I had Dunlap in the version of the late 1st that I hated and blew up.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Since we traded for Tapp I believe a first round end is out of the question. Since LB is also out of the question, I think it all comes down to the offensive line once again. We may have extended Winston, but he isn’t getting starter money. So depending on which tackles are at the bottom of the round that would be my first guess (i.e. Mike Iupati, if Brian Bulaga falls, if Bruce Campbell slips, possibly Anthony Davis depending on how the FO feels about him). The only other I could think is Earl Thomas if he falls, but I don’t know exactly how the Eagles are feeling about the situation of Marlin Jackson, Victor Harris, or Quintin Demps. If not one of those, then I could once again see us trading out of the first round.
The Eagles really like Fokou so I think if they were to draft a LB it would be a WILL. Also if they didn’t take Weatherspoon right there it might be Dunlap
Not exactly
You are right, the Eagles really like Fokou, but I also think they really like Akeem Jordan. And go back over the last few drafts and the highest I ever seen us drafting a LB was Stew in round 3. So I just don’t see them drafting one before late round 3. I also don’t see them drafting Dunlap because we just traded for Tapp unless Dunlap falls to round three which is almost laughable. I could see Everson Griffin first (even though Dunlap is the better overall player) but like I just said, the trade for Tapp pushed that necessity down the draft.
since they loke Foku, what do you think the chances are of gocong being gone by the draft?
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Very little chance
Unless a 3-4 team wishes to take a chance. But Gocong really doesn’t have much value other than chance. He is a virtual unknown as a 3-4 rusher. And I highly doubt the Eagles will let him go for nothing so, I think the chances of him being back are better than any Eagle fan wants them to be. I could be wrong, but I just can’t picture it.
I am hearing that the browns are interested. they have heckert who drafted him and they play a 3-4. Rumor has it that we would be giving up maybe our 92nd pick in the draft, or our early 4th rounder. from what you are saying, it does seem likely that he would go at that price.
Gocong is somewhat unknown as a pass rusher, but what are the other options for the browns at the other 3-4 OLB…
Marcus Benard? a UDFA 2nd year player from Jackson state?
David Bowens? a 33 year old OLB who might not have the speed to rush the passer anymore?
David Veikune? a 2nd player who didn’t play a snap on defense last year?
Drafting a guy like an Austen Lane or Jason Worlids?
I think this deal is likely and I hope it happens. yes he is unknown as a 3-4 rusher but for the browns he is a great option and since they have supposedly shown interest, and heckert used to be the GM of the eagles, i can picture it.
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If this happens
people in Seattle will be jumping off bridges.
Not saying it’d be the primary reason, but for those that were seriously considering it, this would be the last straw. I’m not kidding.
It’s that bad (for Seahawks/fans)
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Seattles picks are not that bad at all
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 21, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The players we take at 6 and 14 would probably be there 8-10 spots later.
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With Bulaga going the pick before Seattle you would probably take Brown. If you think he is a reach there he isn’t? at least not to where you wouldn’t take him. The DE as the first pick I wouldn’t have done I would go QB still but it isn’t a horrible pick.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 21, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there's a good chance we'll take Brown
but I also think its likely we’ll trade down a few spots to do it. Trading down from the #14 will be a lot easier than trading down from the #6.
Anthony Davis is just so much more gifted than Brown
I know Brown is the “hot” OT right now and everyone is so so so down on Davis, but Anthony Davis is just plain better.
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Physically gifted but a mess mentally
He doesn’t seem to fit what Gibbs wants in a OT. Kip Earlywine at Seahawkdraftblog does a great breakdown of Gibbs here:
http://seahawksdraft.blogspot.com/2010/03/alex-gibbs-as-colorful-as-he-is.html
Here's a link dump from Big Blue View
http://www.bigblueview.com/2010/3/11/1365154/daily-nfl-draft-prospect-profile
He’s had pretty big weight issues, has been benched for violating team rules, has questionable work ethic and recently blew off his pro day:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Anthony-Davis-takes-a-pass-on-Rutgers-Pro-Day.html
From the link I posted earlier:
High desire for the game: Among first round tackles, you could safely put Brian Bulaga and Charles Brown on this list. (As a guard, Mike Iupati would qualify as well). Trent Williams, Russell Okung, and Bruce Campbell may or may not qualify. Anthony Davis probably doesn’t qualify given his work ethic and weight issues.
Some red flags
but he didn’t kill anybody or anything… right?
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well the weight he dropped from his arrival in school to now amounts to a young child
that’s kinda close.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I haven't heard that he's a Pacman Jones
but he doesn’t seem to live and breathe football as much as an ideal Gibbs candidate should (and Gibbs really values the mental aspects of a player).
I've been told by Seahawks fans that Davis doesn't fit the ZBS scheme well
and that makes sense to me.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis is athletically compared to Ryan Clady
Clady played with the Broncos, who taking a slightly edumacated guess, run a ZBS.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
even having dropped significant weight Davis is thicker
6’6" 325 over 6’4" 322
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Rob Stanton at Seahawks Draft Blog
like Davis as a Ryan Clady type. He does seem big, though, to be a ZBS OT.
I’m not going to cry if we draft him or pass on him.
the comparison that has me kinda up on him right now is to Tarik Glenn
Glenn fought weight issues, but was a great LT for a solid span of time. Retired early though with rumors that it was weight related.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
if your a great blocker, your a great blocker
Davis is large, but he’s not Flozell Adams.
I just think this whole “ZBS” thing is a little over blown. If your large, and athletic…and can push people around, you’ll fit any scheme.
Davis may not have worked out well, but when they have the helmets on, he’s right up there with Bulaga for that #2 OT in this draft.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis is a big risk, big reward guy
If he’s running on all cylinders and develops, he’s got the tools to be good. He could be franchise LT or turn out to be a fat lump who alternates between blowing blocks, drawing flags and giving up on plays.
if your a great blocker, your a great blocker
This is true. However, it is a stretch to call davis a great blocker. He is solid with his techniques at blocking (run and pass). he is a great athlete but just isn’t experienced or highly polished like an okung. because of this he could be great, but he isn’t polished enough to call a “great” blocker.
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Judging by what I saw from him at Rutgers...
I disagree.
When he has his helmet and shoulder pads on, dude’s a WALL.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, as a Seahawks fan, I loved our Draft.
Good players at all the picks. Morgan, the best DE at 6. Charles Brown, the best LT fit for us at 14. Jahvid best, a special teams and RB tandem with Forsett at 60. I agree the first round picks would be slightly frustrating because there is a chance Morgan falls to 14, and there’s a chance that Brown would fall to 25, but there are no trades in this draft, and there are worse things than getting ‘your guy’ a few picks too early.
The Seahawks haven't ruled out a 1st-round QB
They said so explicitly at CW’s press conference. Whitehurst provides flexibility in the draft for them to either (a) grab a guy that falls to them that they wouldn’t expect or (b) take some time to develop a 2nd-tier guy.
Sometime next year, Hasselbeck will probably miss a few games do to injury and he probably won’t start for the Hawks in 2011. They want a #2 guy that can be ready to start sometime this year and but also has some upside as a possible 2011 starting QB. Whitehurst may be seen as a prospect or merely bridge to a future starting QB.
One interesting note: both Cutler and Whitehurst are big, mobile QBs with big arms and a fair number of INTs. The other QBs I’ve heard the Seahawks linked to so far are Tebow and Skelton.
If we pass up Clausen because of Charlie freakin' Whitehurst
someone should get fired.
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That's not going to happen
They either (a) don’t think Clausen will fall to them or (b) don’t think he’s worth a 1st-round pick. Whitehurst is getting paid #2 money and got traded for equivalent of high 3rd; he’s not stopping anybody from picking another QB. He’s insurance. A depth pick with upside.
It looks like they want to run a more vertical passing attack with Bates as OC. Clausen might not fit the scheme and Hass might have the same problems he had last year.
5mil a year is not #2 money
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but I think the Seahawks FO thinks something of him, maybe even that much.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I sure hope a 28 year old 3rd string QB who has never thrown a pass in the NFL is not the long term answer
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28 isn't old for a QB
He should have a good 6-7 seasons playing at a high level left in him (if he’s any good)
Romo came out of nowhere around that age
not that it’s likely he breaks out like that. Just supporting your point.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't expect Romo-like performance
I think they’re expecting better 2010 performance than any of the 2010 2nd-tier QBs and higher upside than any available journeyman FAs (Anderson, etc). He’s a low-risk gamble.
I'm not saying he's over the hill
Just that if you haven’t even attempted a pass yet at that age, the odds definitely aren’t in your favor.
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Whitehurst doesn't seem to be a game manager
which is what you want in a backup QB. He’s got enough talent/upside to stay on the roster for 4 years, though, so I think there’s some upside left.
Its a depth move with upside
Whitehurst has a lower floor than the 2nd-tier QBs (he’s good enough to keep on the roster and tender) available and seems to fit the system. He’s more NFL-ready than anybody we could draft after the #6 and doesn’t cost a ton in draft picks or salary (compared to most starting NFL QBs). His contract doesn’t prevent us from drafting a QB with the #6 and may give us some time to develop a late-round guy.
The risk is low, the upside is decent to high.
I think your underrating Whitehurst a bit
He’s actually a lot like Matt Schaub or Kevin Kolb, who blew up the preseason and a bit of the time they played real games.
Whitehurst may be an unknown, but I think there’s a better chance he’s the next Matt Hasselbeck or Schaub, then the next AJ Feeley.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Schaub is a starter now and doing very well this last season
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 21, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just thought we gave up a lot for a very unproven player
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oh no denying you gave up an awful lot
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 21, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I could probably live with the 2011 3rd rounder
but dropping from 40 to 60 was what did it for me.
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Its not the end of the world
There’ s a lot of trading done in 2nd round. If there’s a guy we desperately want, we can still trade up for him. We could also draft a guy at #60 that we were mocked to draft at #40. We spent some draft capital to get Whitehurst, but we didn’t give up any opportunities this year to do it.
It cost less draft capital than picking a guy with the #40
We may have overpaid a little for this guy, but if he turns into a franchise QB or 2-3 year starter, I think we come out ahead.
Whitehurst was a 3rd-string QB for 4 years
and was then tendered as a RFA. David Greene (also a 3rd-round pick in the 2006 draft) lasted a single year before bouncing around the league. The Chargers valued him as a developmental prospect and the Seahawks obviously value him. I don’t know how good he’ll be, but he’ll have a chance to finally show it this year.
Except Schaub has been horrible in the preseason.
QB ratings of something like 60 on up to low 70’s in the last 4 years.
$4 million in an uncapped year in a 2-year contract
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=3623
There’s a significant commitment to Whitehurst, but it doesn’t guarantee a starting spot this year or next. Together, he and Hasselbeck are making less than Leinart and a lot less than what the #6 pick would get.
There’s no reason to think that the richest owner in the NFL will worry about spending an extra $4 million in an uncapped year on the most important position in football.
I've also got the creeping feeling I'm being effected into overrating Clausen by being around a bunch of ND fans on Stampede Blue
that I shouldn’t ignore stuff like that quote Dan posted about them not having found a decision maker to give Clausen a top 10 grade yet.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally think Bradford sucks as a prospect, especially if he's gonna start right away
and that the Rams would be making a gigantic mistake taking him over Clausen.
I could be wrong obviously…..
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree. I think bradford has all the intangibles and things I like in a QB. Clausen does have a better arm, but its not like he is jamarcus russell with that arm.
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Bradford does NOT have more intangibles...
he basically never read a defense and called his own game, while Clausen has done that since he was basically a freshman.
Jimmy Clausen had NO RUNNING GAME, at Notre Dame.It was all him basically.
Clausen is a tough bastard QB who reminds me of guys like Farve and the Mannings with his durability, you just can’t knock him out of a game.
Some say Bradford is more accurate, but this is false.
I could go all day. I just feel bad for my boy Spags if he does this. Clausen is the QB in this draft you want to get
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with FB, Bradford over Clausen makes no sense to me.
Clausen has done everything in college that people THINK Bradford will do/pick up in the pros. ie. play through injuries; deal with a lousy O Line and no running game; make reads and good decisions in a Pro style offence; make all the throws.
But wait, Clausen is “abrasive”, arrogant, and got punched in a bar after announcing he was leaving early. While Bradford is an inch taller and is a nice guy. Good enough for me! Bradford is # 1!
yea..got punched in a bar, late at night (but college kids don't go to bars at night)
after a loss..in which a perfectly sane and sober ND fan punched him.
Pretty sure he also got arrested for driving up someone to go get alcohol. But Eli Manning, who I can assure you, has less then zero character concerns and is possibly the perfect personality for a NY QB, got arrested for underage drinking.
I just hope Spags, if he’s making the decision, comes to his senses.
Just don’t see one single reason at all..that Bradford is better.
He’s got more potental is another one I hear. Seems like another excuse that is being struggled for.
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by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Holmgren recently said he wasn't high on Clausen
http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2010/03/holmgren-not-high-on-jimmy-clausen.html
I’m thinking that Clausen may not fit the offense Bates is bringing to Seattle.
Could be
or it could be a super secret double smokescreen and he’s actually telling the truth. It’s really impossible to know at this time of the year.
I would agree
I think your gut is correct, Clausen might fall like his ND buddy Quinn. I have a feeling Buffalo will just go with the scrub fest they have already at QB this year.
Ninja, have you seen our moves this year?
We’re trying to go 1-15 to secure the #1 pick for Jake Locker next year. ;)
People are freaking out because they don't have all of the information
Carroll and Schneider are overhauling the roster in exciting ways (ZBS running game, Bates’ vertical passing attack, attacking 4-3 under defense, bigger corners, bigger WRs, etc) but we’re not getting the full picture right now because the FO can’t just call a press conference and outline their FA/drafting strategy.
We may have sold low and bought high on a couple of trades, but we’ve got no way of knowing for a while. Talk of “process” is a load of BS without knowing what the overall strategy or plan is. Talk of “players entering their prime” because they’re reaching some magical age is even worse. The only way we’ll know if things work out is the on-the-field play over the next year or two.
I was patient with Ruskell and I’m willing to be patient with Carroll/Scheider. I think the people getting the vapors calling for the end of the Carroll era should just go find a fainting couch to wait things over for a few months at least until the roster shapes up.
I like it for the most part
Given the available players, I think that Trent Williams or Spiller could be bigger impact players, but Price may fit a greater need so that’s fine.
Morgan Burnett is a steal in round 2.
Not sure about Butler there, but I guess it could work. I’d prefer Pat Angerer cuz he made plays when they had the helmets on..or at least more so then the other MLB’s available there.
DWTDD
and at least you didn't have Sergio Kindle to the Giants.
Those that have Kindle to the Giants, must be beaten.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 21, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Gilyard and Wootton
You really see the both of them falling past the third? I find it impossible that it happens. I’d like to know your reasoning.
The 2010 New York Mets: Maybe it's the Phillies' turn to have 95% of its roster on the DL
The 2009 New England Patriots: At least we got our division title back
The 2009-10 New Jersey Devils: Allergic to second periods
could has sworn I had Wootton in there
I must have deleted him and forgot to add him back in. That’s a mistake.
Gilyard is just a result of having all the WRs slipping.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see Gilyard
Falling past the second. Yes, it is a WR draft, but he separates himself from the pack because he has the ability to return kicks and punts better than most players in this draft.
I don’t know how much separation that gives him really. I don’t think he will drop this far but I could definitely see it happen.
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Remember though
He has a success story which most NFL teams sob over. People may think that doesn’t make a difference but it really does. Especially if it is a skilled player.
Broncos.
The third round pick is very good and the second rounder is great, but I’m starting to hate the prsoepcts at #11… all in all, I’d be happy with that haul for Denver and it makes sense; good work!
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Editted some DE picks from 63 on down to put Wootton in after I forgot to add him back in.
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Nice and you gave him to us :)
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 21, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see a pick before then where i really liked him
3-4 teams like their DEs stouter while he’s pretty lanky and most of the 4-3 teams looking for DEs want guys with edge rushing ability, which even if his knee returns to pre-ACL tear form he won’t really have.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
that may be true. Wootton’s build almost means he has no true position. he doesn’t fit any perfectly, but could ideally play multiple positions like justin tuck. Tuck doesn’t have elite edge rushing ability (but its okay) just like Wootton. both have somewhat tweener size too where they are a bit small for a DT but a bit slow for a DE. in a 4-3, he can play the same role…It would actually make sense to maybe play him at DE on running downs and pass rushing DT on passing downs.
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Good mock for the Jaguars
Perrish Cox is great value in the third although I wonder if the Jaguars would go after a guy with character concerns. By the third round, it might reach the point where the reward outweighs the risk. I doubt it, though.
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I also somehow managed to mention Mathis without saying anything mean
that’s rare.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Very
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 21, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He is awful
my Seahawks beat the Jags 41-0. and we suck. mathis looked like he was allergic to covering a receiver.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Colts fans hate him for getting away with blatant PI on a game changing pick6
a couple years back.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a very bad game
The whole team was bad, but Rashean looked especially bad. Rashean is still a top notch corner, the only problem he has is staying healthy.
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by Adam Stites on Mar 21, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Adam Stites on Mar 21, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a bad draft...
But I believe that we would pick Vlad Ducasse in the second if he is still available. OL is a much bigger need than WR is. However, I would be okay with this draft, just a little saddened by us not going for Vlad if he was to drop to us.
You wouldn't pass on Benn
That is a steal for Dallas
Vlad has potential as a OG, but if the Cowboys really did manage to grab Iupati in the 1st (also a steal), it negates the need for Vlad.
This 1/2 draft makes me forget that we didn’t get a FS stud. I’d be on a natural high the rest of the off-season.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 23, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Stuckey is nice, but I wouldn't put him in the stud category
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 23, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Chargers
No way the Bolts pass up on their biggest need in the Second. SD has a patchwork, at best, D Line and will not let Cam Thomas get passed them. CB in the 3rd… yes. Waste Cason’s time and pick in the second… NO WAY!
did you register that name just for me?
I’m flattered.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
he sure did he joined 4 min. ago and commented right after here as his first post lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 21, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It could have been for you....
But I’ll never tell… (Insert evil laugh)
by not so shake on Mar 22, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I almost made the Cam Thomas pick. I'd have done it at #60 but #40 seemed too early.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe he did that as his name lol
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 21, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Good draft for the cardinals
Hit all the points and well prioritized.
thanks, they were one of the teams I shifted around after I did the 1st
I didn’t really like my first run through of the late 1st. I thought Trent Williams was a good pick, but wasn’t sure.
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by shake n bake on Mar 21, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Chargers
Big shake you have out done yourself this time. This mock for the Chargers is basically pick by pick exactly how I would pull the trigger, considering the board at each point.
Mathews- Im not aboard the Mathews train, but I would welcome this pick at 28.
Robinson- solid. Just a really solid pick and would be something our GM do even though we have a former first rounder about to take Cros spot. AJ like me is obsessed with corners.
Chaney- way way too many cats sleeping on this guy. I think it would be worth it to trade our 3rd and 5th to move up in the 3rd to secure this guy. I like him that much, actually my favorite ILB except for Spoon.
From a Niners standpoint.
I would be ecstatic with this draft unless we end up getting G Chester Pitts . Then in the fourth I would switch Walton with Javier Arenas/ Akwasi/ or Brandon Ghee or Koa Misi.
I like this draft for the browns with one exception.
Round 1. That is fine. Haden there is the best pick to make
Round 2. I like williams. I feel if he falls that far, it is a bit of a steal, and his soft hands and pristine route running are things holmgren loves.
Round 3. I am not wild about signing ben tate. I think the browns are set on running backs. with jerome harrison they have peyton hillis. I have talked to some bronco fans and he is the guy that the coaching staff didn’t use a lot but the fans thought he was great. Harrison was the same with the browns and now look at him. Also, the browns drafted james davis last year and he showed some nice glimpses before the injury. then you have Cribbs who will take some running plays too.
WIth this pick, I hope (and do think) the browns take a safety, maybe darrell stuckey. Stuckey has enough ability that he might be starting midseason. if we don’t get berry, we need to get a safety somewhere and Stuckey is a guy I think could be very good.
Round 3 (2nd pick): I like this pick. The browns have good depth along the D-Line. However, most of this depth is well over 30 and their DEs are aging. they could really use a youth infusion. whereas Carrington might not be more than a rotation guy this year, most guy you would draft here won’t make a huge impact.
The only criticism I can give is that they might draft Koa Misi. the browns traded away Kamerion Wimbley and the only guy they have that I would want to see starting is matt Roth. Roth is a solid starter. they have Marcus Benard who can play well in a backup role, but he is nowhere near polished enough to be reliable as a starter. They could always move David bowens here, a guy who played inside but can also play outside. There are also rumors that the browns are in talks with Philly for Gocong. Gocong is a natural 3-4 OLB. If we get him, then this whole part is moot and I like carrington
Round 3 (pick 3): Dennis pitta is nice. He is a good young Tight and and he would be my second choice of players available. He is a very talented player. However, the browns I feel might now be set at the TE position.
They have 3 guys, all under 30. the main guy is Ben Watson. Watson is a solid starter who can stretch the field. They also have a young blocking TE in Greg Estlandia. Lastly, there is Evan moore who lit it up in limited playing time with the browns. Moore is big (6’6 245), has decent speed to stretch the field (WR in college too), and is in a way a lot like Pitta. Moore was a UDFA, but in some ways, his skill set is similar to pitta’s but maybe a little worse. teams however were scared away from him b/c of injury history. he can play in-line or in the slot too.
Also, the browns I think are going to get a QB out of this draft, maybe a guy Holmgren thinks he can turn into a good QB. one of the guys he is rumored to be interested in and would be a good fit for a holmgren offense is Dan Lefevour. I personally don’t see the browns passing on lefevour for pitta…not when you jut went out and shored up the TE position and you have young talent there. granted you shored up the QB position a bit, but Seneca is 29, Brett Ratliff is not the answer, and Delhomme is old.
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FOR THE LAST TIME! SERGIO KINDLE SUCK AT #12S! HE'S A 10 OF 10 ON THE BUST-O-METER!
Please don’t Mock him to the Dolphins anymore. He has no chance of being drafted by the Fins or by any team for that matter in the middle of the 1st round. He’s a late 1st- early 2nd round prospect. Stop placing him at #12. He had a bad senior campaign and hasn’t been all that impressive since. He is not a first round pick.
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by JP 23 on Mar 22, 2010 9:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
**Sucks at #12!
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about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok."
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by JP 23 on Mar 22, 2010 9:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jaguars 1st round pick
I just dont see them taking a MLB, Durant is one of the more underrated LB in the league.
I like
Cox in the third. IMO he has major starting potential, so getting him in the third would be great value, in the typical mold of a Gene Smith draft.
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by shake n bake on Mar 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
OT
In the Stampede Blue Member Mock I got Gerald McCoy at 6 and Brown at 14, you like?
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by shake n bake on Mar 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Russ Lande
Did anyone happen to see Russ Landes of Sporting News mock draft. He had Trent Wiliams going to the Lions at #2 among other terrible picks.
panthers draft
those are the two players I want most and I would be ecstatic to get them
its interesting to note where you’ve placed deymarius thomas though… I’ve seen other drafts where he’s anywhere from early 2nd to late 4th… if the panthers really wanted him, they could probably trade back and get him
some places have him in the last 1st
I think that’s too early for a guy that needs to learn route running, but that size/speed package will have folks drooling.
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by shake n bake on Mar 22, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for the Cowboys picks
Those results would make a lot of fans very happy.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
How about this
leave the 1st alone, but change the 2nd to C Thomas, and the third to Koa Misi
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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