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2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft: Round 1, Pick 5

The 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft is underway, with each SB Nation blogger making selections for their respective teams. Chris Joel Thorman, lead blogger at SB Nation's Kansas City Chiefs blog, Arrowhead Pride, checks in to make the fifth overall selection in this year's mock. Take it away, sir!

With the fifth overall pick in the 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs have selected Rolando McClain, middle linebacker, Alabama.

Chris Joel Thorman says: The fifth overall pick may be a bit of a reach for Alabama LB Rolando McClain, but history shows it fits into the Scott Pioli profile. While in New England, Pioli had top ten draft choices on two occasions. The first time, in 2002, they took Richard Seymour, a 3-4 defensive end. The second time, in 2008, they took LB Jerod Mayo. The Chiefs have a top five pick for the second consecutive year. In 2009 it was spent on, you guessed it, a 3-4 defensive end by the name of Tyson Jackson. Continuing the theme, the Chiefs will select Rolando McClain.

McClain has a couple of things going for him that make Kansas City a reasonable destination. First, McClain comes from a familiar defense. Pioli and Nick Saban have worked together, and Pioli usually doesn't stray far from what he knows. Second, McClain is the quarterback of the defense, so to speak, and the Chiefs place a premium on cerebral players who understand not just their position, but the entire defense. Third, McClain has experience in a similar type of defense the Chiefs are trying to run.

Add those up and the Chiefs selecting McClain with the fifth overall pick makes sense.

Mocking Dan reacts: At this point, the choice for Kansas City appears to be either McClain or Tennessee safety Eric Berry. Both would help the Chiefs' weak defense. It also may not be a shock to see the Chiefs take defensive tackle Dan Williams to accelerate the 3-4 defense completion.

But McClain would not only make an immediate impact, but he'll give the defense a tougher mentality. Rey Maualuga didn't have the best statistical season for the Bengals, but he gave their defense a nastier demeanor. McClain can do the same – and he's a far better player.

Mocking the Draft's Top 5 remaining prospects: 1 - Eric Berry/S/Tennessee, 2 - C.J. Spiller/RB/Clemson, 3 - Derrick Morgan/DE/Georgia Tech, 4 - Dez Bryant/WR/Oklahoma State, 5 - Joe Haden/CB/Florida

Sound off, SB Nation! Was the selection of McClain a wise choice? Please be sure to check out Arrowhead Pride for all of your Chiefs needs.

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YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.

by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 25, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

it could very well happen

but i just personally want berry

"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "

by BEEf_CHIEF on Mar 25, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

its better than bulaga thats for sure lol

"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "

by BEEf_CHIEF on Mar 25, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

but if Crennel and Pioli think our franchise NT is Williams or Cody, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear one of those two names at #5 (assuming, of course, that we couldn’t trade down a few spots)

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Mar 25, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont think cody at 5

williams maybe.. i wouldnt like it but i could see pioli doin somethin like that

"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "

by BEEf_CHIEF on Mar 25, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alot could change before the Draft

I doubt Cody goes 5, but alot can change. His tape is pretty impressive

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it is :)

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense

by stagdsp on Mar 25, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys can think that

but it isnt a better pick. Taylor Mays at 6 was an equally bad pick. He has chrons disease, his 40 was unimpressive, and he wasnt top 5 talent before that. Ill say it again, it was a bad decision.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is.

But it’s not better than Berry.

by JacinB on Mar 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is accurate considering the votes last year were probably similar for the TJ signing.

Some a’s some b’s lots of c’s some d’s some f’s

The first 3 picks of the draft will be defense. Pioli loves him some defense.

by ChiefsfanJon on Mar 25, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Great pick Joel..

and kudos for not picking Berry, which the majority of AP members seem to want us to.

by ICTChief on Mar 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

It would be McClain, Williams or Cody.
Nice pick. A grade

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 25, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im sorry

I just dont see this happening.

by Yankees10 on Mar 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

It just doesnt make sense

Im sure the reasoning behind the pick was “taking a FS that high isnt good posistional value.” ILB isnt posistional value that high either. Thats why ILB dont go in the top 5 that much. It should have been Eric Berry. McClain just isnt that good. My proof below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miJwMCgaxKo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG6bwopKTc

No offense Joel and Chris but he isnt considered a top 5 pick by anyone and this was definitly a bad pick. I see him going at or around 15. Hopefully the Chiefs dont do this. We have had some questionable drafts though.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not being on everyons "Top 10" didn't stop Pioli last year

and it won’t this year either. I think Joel nailed it.

by ICTChief on Mar 25, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're not worried about "positional value"

Pioli reached for a 3-4 DE last year… that was based on NEED and FIT… NOT “positional value”

McClain would be a similarly logical pick.

Berry would be nice too.

* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense

by stagdsp on Mar 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 3-4 De has more posistional value and isnt even comparable

Besides, I dont care for the whole “posistional value” thing and never have. Ive always been one to think we should draft the best player. Thats exactly why I wanted us to take aaron Curry last year and we didnt because Pioli doesnt draft like that. Thats the same reason I dont see him taking McClain or even Berry.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright look

Im not trying to attack Joel and I dont think anything in my comment even hints that. Ive routinely been caught on this very site calling AP one of the best sports blogs on the net and probably the most well run. However, Joel is wrong on this one. You have to understand that Pioli is not a risk taker. For example, the biggest risk Ive ever seen him take was drafting Merriwheather, a guy that would have gone top 10 without character issues. He isnt going to take a diseased LB with mediocore tape. Nobody understands how much Cody and others helped this guy either. He isnt a top 10 pick. If it does happen, then it does. However, this is in no way comparable to the Tyson Jackson pick and if anything, it contradicts it.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

“a diseased LB with mediocore tape”?

That’s why he won the Butkus award as the best LB in college. It could have been worse, he could have traded down to the end of round one for about 60% of value. Now, that would have been an epic fail.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Mar 25, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The wording was wrong not the thought involved

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 25, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

DWB has been a consistent Chief

He has viable doubts as many do.

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 25, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you watched his tape at all?

I was off by saying mediocore because that implys average, he is better than average. However, his tape isnt as good as Mayos or even Rey Rey. Also, please dont come here trying to dis people. If you didnt like the trade I made thats fine, but I know id much rather have Mike Iupati and Dan Williams vs. Rolando McClain or Joe Haden.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can find a tape of the worst plays of Joe Haden or even a Gerald McCoy and say a player is bad. There are tapes out there that show many good plays he makes. just because you were able to find one where he makes some mistakes, doesn’t mean he always makes mistakes like that.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bross09

I agree. You could find tape of every player in the NCAA and the NFL and say the same thing. However, these are taken from random games and they are highlights and lowlights. They are not just pointing out every bad play McClain ever made. Im not a fool.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes…but I still would look at more than one youtube video or two to make a complete assessment…at least for a high pick.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are two on there

Ive also watched alot of his games. He flies all over the feild and always has his head in the game. However, he plays slow sometimes and he tackles high and his tackles are broken alot.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is an epic fail

Bless Joel’s little heart for doing this. Its hard to participate in a mock draft for your whole team. However, this is still a horrible pick. I understand the posistion this puts you as an APer in and I dont blame you for getting your buds back. That doesnt change anything. I really hope Joel just likes McClain alot and thats why he wanted to make the pick. Otherwise, he would be lying if he said this is what Pioli would do. Its just not. He picked Jerod Mayo at 10. The 10th pick in the draft gets paid nuts and bolts compared to the 10 mil a year the 5th pick gets. If you think Pioli is gonna pay a Mike LB, with CD, 10 mil a year then you are crazy. I dont care if he won the Butkus award, plenty of college athlete have just been great college players. Good for Joel for being ballsy and making the pick he wanted. However, I highly doubt as busy as he is he gets to break down college tape or even glance over it. Rolando McClain has half the talent as Berry.

Overall, the Chiefs are in a very bad place this draft. The players they need are defensive skill players (LBs, SS, FS, even CB) and those players dont usaully get paid 10 mil a year. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Chiefs pick Bulaga, Cambell, or Berry. However, if they do pick McClain, we wont be getting much better anytime soon. Id even go as far to say he is only marginally better than Mays. Maybe we can trade down and get him, we will see.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. Crohns is like cancer right?

I have a cousin with it. Crohns is very livable. If you get regular excercise, are active, and get the right treatment, symptoms are minimal. You do need to change your diet, but many of the things you are supposed to stay away from aren’t the healthiest for you. so if he lives a healthy active lifestyle and gets proper treatment, it is like he isn’t even sick. Crohns DOES have no cure, but it is not a deadly disease and can be easily managed, it just takes discipline.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know what Crohns is..

Also, it effects every person differently. Some people have constant flairs no matter what. Some people have them only one in awhile. Even if crohns disease is controlable, Teams will still shy away from him because of it. It could potentionally ruin his career.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Like every disease it affects people differently.

I cannot say how it will affect him, but from what I have heard, he has been playing through it. It is understandable that teams would shy away. It makes sense for them to shy away in their eyes. It could maybe potentially ruin his career, but so could just plain old being a bust for anyone else. Personally, the chances of it ruining his career are pretty slim.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, exc ept you cant call the chances slim

I never said CD will make him a bad player. It is going to make teams shy away from him.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, except for when he was sick before the national championship and played sluggish.

Oh, and that time where he had his pro day in front of NFL scouts and was playing terribly and felt that it was the right time to blame his poor play on his Crohn’s. If he’s gonna have flare ups that cause him to play sluggishly in the NFL, how can you feel confident paying him millions of dollars as the 5th pick overall?

I know I wouldn’t.

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by Troy Hufford on Mar 27, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're seriously using those youtube videos as "proof" you don't want him?

I’d rather hope my team doesn’t judge its decision on youtube videos…before it makes a decision on a player who is of low positional value.

McClain may not be the right pick…but not cuz of those youtube videos.

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 25, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

I agree with darwithabar.

Those Youtube videos show McClain repeatedly tackling guys high and he rarely is able to bring them down solo. Not the solid tackler worthy of a top 5 pick, IMO.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 25, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw

If you look back at every game McClain played in its like that. Type in every game he has played this year and watch.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love his heart and his intelgence

I actually wanted the Chiefs to draft him before I did a little research. I love Bama and im a pretty big fan of the Tide since the Chiefs drafted Croyle. I watched him alot and those videos show the same weaknesses that NFL teams will get from him day to day. He isnt Patrick Willis good, He isnt Jerod Mayo good.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

?
He isnt Patrick Willis good, He isnt Jerod Mayo good.

**he’s not as athletic as them.

About it.

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just isnt as good a tackler or in coverage. i will even give him the edge is smarts but thats it.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

when he tackles...people go down.

According to the Bama RB’s..when McClain hits you…you know it.

He’s very instinctive in coverage too.

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He misses alot of tackles

Universal didnt just pick McClains three worst games and show those.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone on his team will always have his back and talk him up

Its just like you hooking a friend up with your GFs best friend. You always talk them up.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...Eric Berry or someone else may be a better pick....

but you’d better hope that those actually making the decisions don’t base all their decision making on 3-4 games…..

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I admit I haven't seen much of McClain.

But what I have seen scares me. The guy looks slow at times. His tackling isn’t nearly solid enough for a top 10 pick (he seems to rely more on strength than technique). His effort and ability to be an elite LB has been questioned by NFL scouts. Oh, and he has an incurable, debilitating disease. Not saying Crohn’s is going to ruin his career, but imagine a flare up in the middle of a playoff run.

The guy screams out bust. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be picked, but at #5 overall this is looking bad.

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 25, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crohns is not a debillitating disease...

again, something I’d hope the scouts for my team have a clue about.

His “effort” is effortless, that’s why it looks slow. Dude’s a junior and the capitan of a national championship caliber defense for 2 years straight.

Bust is something like JPP, who has not much football experience.

McClain may not be a so called “elite” athlete…but he’s quite possibly the smartest football player in the draft (not Rhodes scholar smart…NFL playbook and instinct smart).

I dunno who these scouts are…but I’m thinking they’re the same fools that have my Giants passing on him cuz he told some reporters that apparently he playing in a 3-4 defense in college (which..somehow gets portrayed as "I want to play in a 3-4 defense only).

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds pretty debilitating to me:

From http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/crohns/

The most common symptoms of Crohn’s disease are abdominal pain, often in the lower right area, and diarrhea. Rectal bleeding, weight loss, arthritis, skin problems, and fever may also occur. Bleeding may be serious and persistent, leading to anemia. Children with Crohn’s disease may suffer delayed development and stunted growth. The range and severity of symptoms varies.

Those don’t sound like risks you want to take with a guy you’re investing so much into.

And here’s info on the “scouts”, which sorry, I didn’t specify but one was former Ravens scout Daniel Jeremiah:
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/3/10/1367312/a-few-question-alabama-lb-rolando

2/3 of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Eric Berry.

by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

RNG right once again

His disease will make him fall, another reason this is a bad pick.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

like bross above says...

proper nutrition, excercise and proper treatment can make the disease basically benign.

What you mention is the worst of it.
Unlike those children in that are described there..McClain is a pretty healthy 6"3 250lbs and will get proper nutrition, exercise and will have the money to get proper treatment.

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still

Teams will shy away from him for having it.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they actually do their HW on it...

I’m sure they won’t. Tho I hope you’re right….

Jerry “The Watcher” Reese won’t have to trade up for him and will get exactly what the Dr. ordered to help the Gints D

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would be fair value at 15

I dont think it would be reaching and it might even be +1 or +2 value. At 5 its a huge reach.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think McClain sucks at all

He just isnt top 5 material in THIS draft. Maybe two years ago he is the 6th or 7th best player, or last year he is in the top 8 for sure. This year, too many good player. I would go as far as to say Haden, Okung, Suh, Berry, Cody would all be number 1 at their posistion in last years draft. This draft is that loaded at the top and the bottom.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

top 5 is pristine.
Not knocking McClain cause of it but a Top-5 pick?
1st Round definitely, He has intangibles that others don’t, top 5 doubts not a chance though I like the person and the position.

"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 25, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

It would be a bigger reach than T Jax. This draft is to deep for reaching like that.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh. I totally agree. I think he is possibly top 10. I probably wouldn’t take him for the browns if I was tom Heckert. then again, it would be a bit of a reach at a position that isn’t a dire need.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes…just like teams shied away from eric wright a few years ago. he was a first round talent that dropped to the browns in the 2nd…

Players often drop for somewhat illogical reasons and ones that aren’t always totally thought out.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say worst example. maybe the reasons are sometimes thought out though.

Wright was a top 10 talent that dropped because people thought he had character issues. this ended up not really being the case.

Rolando McClain could drop because of crohns. it could hinder his career or it couldn’t. it just makes him a riskier pick. yes, it isn’t the best example but both dropped because of some sort of off the field “issue”

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Wright was not a top 10 talent

He was a first round talent that dropped for character issues. Rolando McClain does have Character issues him self. However, comparing Rolando McClains CD to Eric Wrights character issues is a bad example. You could compare Rolando McClains character issues to Eric Wrights but not what you said.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have read up on it too. My cousin was diagnosed last year. the symptoms, especially the abdominal pain can be minimized with proper, regular exercise, proper treatment, and a healthy diet and lifestyle.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again

Its different for every person, every case.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. truthfully every disease is a little different for each person. no set rule applies. that is why I say it can be minimalized. it can but will it is the question. It 100% won’t but it has a good chance of doing so.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Crohns is not a debilitating disease at all as FreeBradshaw said. I know a lot about it since my cousin actually has it. With proper exercise and being active, the effects are actually minimal (and with proper treatment combined with that). I don’t believe it has affected Garrard.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its case by case which makes it risky

you just dont know how it will act a few years from now. If your cousin has it than you know that.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is true. Every disease is case by case.

I think it will make teams take a second look, but I believe that a guy who is healthy and in shape (i hope he is in shape if he is playing linebacker anyways, if he isn’t there are some other problems too) will have a better chance at avoiding some of the nastier side effects that can be minimized with excercise.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

You keep typing it

For some cases it doesnt matter what kind of exercise you get.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes…

like I said, every case is different, not just for crohns though but for medicine. this is why it is such a tricky field.

But what are the chances of him getting the case where exercise doesn’t help? it definitely makes him more risky though, i won’t deny that.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

RNG Beast

Thats the exact thing ive told people all the time. He isnt that good and most scouts know it. He has a good head on him but he is a below average tackler and way below average speed for a top 5 pick. he isnt even close as god as Jerod Mayo was, Jerod went 10th.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those youtube videos are not strictly highlights or lowlights

they are film, ramdon plays taken from Rolando’s tape. If tape isnt proof then I dont know what is.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cant believe I'm gonna say it but..

bad pick Joel. I’d rather have OT than LB, but Berry before McClain. McClain is probably one of the last spots we need at no.5.

Just not a good pick, I don’t see Pioli doing this. He knows we need day 1 impact players, not players that may turn out to be average or slightly above average. I feel if we picked McClain he might as well be the next Derrick Johnson :(

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by KC Nate on Mar 25, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Man

DJ is good but he wasn’t worth a 1st round pick.
Agree Nate

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 25, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time saying this but.............. I agree with dwb.

I don’t see the positional value or the player quality to defend this pick. It is not horrible, I gave you a C, it is just not as good as Eric Berry or even Dan Williams. Pioli reaches, but I don’t think he reaches this far.

by NorthLeft12 on Mar 25, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Just pointing out…

So far on the poll, the arithmatic mean (if you set A to 95, B to 85, etc) is a C+ for all the voting (a 79%). I think this is fair. It isn’t a bad pick but a bit of a reach.

I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.

by bross09 on Mar 25, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a fan of Haden at 5

I think it’s fair along the lines of positional value and impact player. I also would have chosen Berry over McClain. I do really like McClain but only if we were to trade back giving the pick more value to where we are selecting him in the draft.

Chiefs draft wishlist:
Haden, a new SS, NT, LB, and OG/C, WR
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs

by King of the Cassel on Mar 25, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Haden would have even been a better pick

If you compare their tape, Haden’s blows McClains out of the water. McClain had one of the best DLs in the country in front of him.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt go that far

I would say NU had the 2nd best DL. Bama has 3 future first or 2nd round picks on that line. NU had 2 first round picks, Florida had Lawrence Marsch who is probably a 4th round pick. Jermaine and Dunlap are 2nd or 3rd day picks.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Way

McClain benifited way more. Florida has one player on the line that will probably be a 2nd round pick. Alabama had 3 possible 1st round picks and a sub that will probably go in the 2nd.

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody is probably going to be a first round pick for sure

The other will have to have good JR year and SR year to do it but its possible

by darwithabar on Mar 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need to just take Cody

you said it 1st round caliber :)
We need a NT in the worst way (means reach)
Williams is no NT

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 25, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody could be a first round pick. I have seen many mocks where he isn’t including some where he isn’t and Dunlap is.

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by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

doesn't matter how many first round picks you have....

that whole Florida line is as talented as a unit as any unit in college football.

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 25, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way

Its not as talented or as deep as Bamas. The two worst players on the bama line will probably get picked late in this draft.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

sigh....

Florida had a talented line that Joe Haden benefited from.

I don’t give a crap how that compares to Bama or how many 1st round picks they have.

Florida’s D was top 5 in the nation cuz their DL was very good.

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 26, 2010 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

and you could argue that Haden benefitted from D-Line play more. yes the D-Line freed McClain up to make some plays. but he made many plays on his own. does the D-Line help when he makes a tackle on a sweep play near the left sideline, 2 yards behind the LOS?

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by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

-Bross-

Um, yes. Of coarse it does. If Dareus or Cody forces the RB wider and McClain makes a play then of coarse it did. Im only argueing Bamas DL is more talented.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree...

but your saying “he didn’t benefit as much”

Sure he did.

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well…

Florida has one player that would probably go in the first (dunlap) but could drop to the second…but you can say the same with cody.

If jermaine cunningham was able to participate at the combine or pro day, his stock may be rising. instead it is falling. He is a 2nd round talent that is likely going to go in the third.

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by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunlap is a legit talent who has a chance at going in the first round. he probably won’t. 2nd day is technically right in this format with thursday nights. However, I think dunlap may go higher than Mount Cody…

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by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

well…so did haden. Florida was excellent at getting to the QB. I have looked at some of the tape of haden. he has great ball skills but he also picked off a fair number of bad throws. I am curious how many of these bad throws (I have to go back and look) were caused by the incessant pressure up front.

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by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alabama'a back up DE led the SEC in sacks

Their DL is twice as talented and 3 times as deep.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno if twice as talented. Florida’s D-Line is pretty talented and they made a lot of plays the last 2 years.

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by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

They are twice as talenteded

There is 2 DLmen who are more talent that Carlos Dunlap on that DL. One of Bams 3-4 DEs had more sacks than any of the florida 4-3 DEs. They are twice as talented. Jermaine Cunninham and Lawrence Marsch wont even get drafted until late. Carlos Dunlap will probably go in the 2nd round. Dareus will probably be a top 10 pick.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's just not true....

Florida had a top 5 D in the nation.

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 26, 2010 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

It doesnt matter

Florida had alot better LBS and the best secondary in the nation. You switching the whole base of the debate. I only said they had twice the talent on their DL.

by darwithabar on Mar 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

now it doesn't matter?

and I’m switching the argument?

It went from McClain benefits more then Haden…to Bama has a better defense, all by your doing.

…damn man…

DWTDD

by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally disagree.

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by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good pick Joel

I prefer OT because it is a greater need and there are good LBs in the 2nd

Beluga would be my 1st choice since Okung is gone

D Williams at NT would also fill a big hole

Berry is also hard to pass on with KC’s poor safety situation

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Mar 26, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

another update: for anyone who wants to know, the arithmatic mean of the voting for the pick is an 80.2 percent. from what I am gauging from comments, this seems accurate.

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by bross09 on Mar 26, 2010 2:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought Berry would be an easy pick for anyone.

I will be suprised if this actually happens on draft day. He clearly knows more about his team than I do, and his reasoning made sense. So i’ll be looking forward to this pick to see what they do now.

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by Hook85 on Mar 27, 2010 5:19 AM EDT reply actions  

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