2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft: Round 1, Pick 11
by Dan Kadar on Mar 27, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
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PrintThe 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft is underway, with each SB Nation blogger making selections for their respective teams. John Bena, lead blogger at SB Nation's Denver Broncos blog, Mile High Report checks in to make the eighth overall selection in this year's mock. Take it away, sir!
With the 11th overall pick in the 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft, the Denver Broncos have selected Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida.
John Bena says: A center at #11? Really? Perhaps a surprise, but I think Josh McDaniels has proven by now he is anything but traditional. The Broncos had 1 major problem in 2009, despite all the attention given to the quarterback position - they were dominated at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.
The Broncos fixed the defensive line through free agency. The offensive line was not so fotunate. The Broncos were dominated on the interior throughout the season. It seemed every key moment in a game came down to a 3rd or 4th and short situation, and each time the Broncos were stuffed, mainly because of a lack of presence inside. After releasing Casey Weigmann after the season ended, the Broncos really don;t have a center on the roster - save for Dustin Fry. That means the Broncos need an upgrade, why not go after the best prospet in the draft?
Pouncey will provide the Broncos the best interior power blocker in the draft. He has all the intangibles you look for - size, tougness, smarts - and will bring a bit of nasty to the Broncos offensive line. Perhaps that best fit is the fact that Pouncey played at Florida, where the Gators ran a spread offesne. Like the Gators, the Broncos ran much of their offense out of the shotgun. Sure, this might be a bit of a stretch to some, but is getting the 17th or 18th best player at #11, while filling a huge need really that big of a deal? Even if it is a Center? I think not, especially if the Draft goes down the way it has in this Mock Draft.
Mocking Dan reacts: This was a surprising but not inconceivable choice. Pouncey is arguably the best interior blocker in this year's draft. Denver really needs a good center. The current projected starter, Dustin Fry, hasn't started a game and seen little playing time. And every area where Fry is good – toughness, power, phone booth blocking – Pouncey is his equal. Where Pouncey is a clear upgrade is his athletic ability. Like Tom Nalen, he can get out on the move and take on defenders in the open field.
While Pouncey will have to adjust some to always having the quarterback under him, it shouldn't be an issue. He's the kind of lineman a team can plug in the starting lineup for years.
Mocking the Draft's Top 5 remaining prospects: 1 - C.J. Spiller/RB/Clemson, 2 - Derrick Morgan/DE/Georgia Tech, 3 - Dez Bryant/WR/Oklahoma State, 4 - Everson Griffen/DE/USC, 5 - Jermaine Gresham/TE/Oklahoma
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Wow
I wouldn’t have expected this pick. Is it possible that the Broncos could make this pick in the 2nd round or trade up to the bottom of the 1st to get him? Seems like a bit of a reach this early in the 1st round to me
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I think he's moved up to solid 1st round status. I can't see him going in round 2...or at the Bronco pick in round 2
It makes a lot of sense. They have no centers on the roster. Pouncey could be a 10-15 year All Pro type guy…..he’s definitely gonna be a good one. It’s a reach, but only cause we all have him lower on the draft board. He has a good career….won’t matter when he’s taken.
He has a good career….won’t matter when he’s taken.
Well said
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Agreed
Definately surprising but a very good quality pick nonetheless
by gatorempire127 on Mar 27, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, which means that it wouldn't be past to the Broncos to trade down to make this selection.
But in this scenario, there’s no trading down. If this is the only player that fills a position of need and that the Broncos see worthy of picking in the first round, then this is a good pick since there are no trades. No point in taking BPA if you picked up Knowshon last year, just picked up a bunch of FA D-Liners, and have Brandon Marshall.
by Richard Hill on Mar 27, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
a very big reach at this point. rarely do I think a Center is worth this high of a pick. I think alex mack was a better prospect coming out in many ways, and this high for Pouncey is ludicrous to me.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Well done Broncos!
Rolando McClain was off the board and Poucey fills a gaping hole in the middle of Denver’s offensive line. As a day-one starter, Pouncey will have immediate and positive impact on the Broncos’ interior and short-yardage running woes of last year. Maurkice will anchor the line and help hide mistakes from those on his right and left.
Reach be damned. There are no other centers capable of starting in week-one, and Denver needed this. Solid pick.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
by Alex on Mar 27, 2010 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow, very even early voting
Between three and four votes all the way from “A” to “F”.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
This draft is proving to be very outside the box
And who knows, the actual draft could have just as many “surprises”. I don’t hate the pick, it just feels like a reach considering how many of the top overall picks are available.
Schmucks don't make it to the Pro Bowl... except Jason Peters!
by Run Thurmal Run! on Mar 27, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Guard
I heard that he could also be moved to guard, I’m not up on my Denver O-Linemen but could that be a possibility? It’s a bit of a reach for him but a 1st round talent Center only comes so often, if you re did the 2006 draft, don’t you think Nick Mangold would go higher than 29 of course hindsight is 20/20 as they say. If Denver really wants him I would try to trade down a few spots but if the team loves him and can’t trade down I certainly wouldn’t blame them for the pick.
Who would you have picked?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Me personally, I would have gone with Iupati instead. But I don’t blame him for picking the best center that fills there biggest, and really only need.
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by JP 23 on Mar 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only other center on the entire team
Is Dustin Fry, a guy who has never started and was just picked up off a practice squad after bouncing around from the Rams to the Browns to the Panthers – all since 2007. Pouncey is the only center in this draft that’s likely to start right away.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
disagree with that...
I think Matt Tennant or JD Walton could start right away too.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps.
But only one center out of last year’s draft started the season; One got substantial playing time; One. It was Alex Mack, the other first- and second-rounder didn’t. Many consider Alex Mack a better prospect than Pouncey. Pouncey’s certainly a step up from the next tier, Walton and Tennant.
I like those guys, I really do. I’m just saying it’s very rare for a center to be NFL ready and actually start right away.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Mack started cuz there's no one there
and Eric? Wood on Buffalo didn’t start cuz unfortunately he was hurt.
IF the Broncos hole at Center is as great as you say it is…Tennant and Walton CAN start.
So they have a good chance of doing so if the hole is there.
Someone like Max Unger if he didn;t start was cuz they have a viable center.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I COULD start at center
that doesn’t mean it will help us fix our singular glaring problem of being able to push for third and shorts and goal line runs.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Mack started because he was great.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 27, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
this is an EXTREME case of picking for need instead of talent. I am not sold on Pouncey as a first rounder and even if he goes, I think it would be very late in the first. Major reach…considering Walton can start, might be a better fit, and can be taken at least a round later.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I'm glad to hear your opinion, we all have them
But with all due respect, your opinion goes against every single professional opinion out there. EVERY ONE OF THEM. I’ll apologize if you can find a professional, reputable evaluation of him from the major sites that actually says they’re not sold on him as a first round talent.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I watched his tape and he struggled at times Facing Nose Tackles. He reminds me a lot of Jeff Faine. He will probably better than Faine though. Faine was picked in the first (though it was a bit of a reach). Pouncey is better but a similar style of player. Faine was shipped out of cleveland MAINLY because he struggled against the Nose tackles of Pittsburgh and Baltimore. There are 2 teams in Denver’s division that runs the 3-4. they have 8 games against teams that play the 3-4. There are also rumors that oakland may be considering a switch to a 3-4. I am not sold on his ability to hold up against a Nose tackle. I would probably put him between 30-40 on my list of top prospects. However, that is borderline first.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
you ain't looking at the alternatives....
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
the alternatives? Yeah. JD Walton. I look at him as they can get him in the 2nd. He can start right away. Although he might not have as much upside as a pouncey, he is much better against Nose Tackles. Denver is playing 8 games next year against NTs.
I was curious and was looking at walterfootballs Mock draft (just for fun). It has The Chargers taking Mount Cody. This makes sense, they need a NT. Pouncey struggled against cody (like he struggled against most big NTs). They also have the broncos taking walton and this makes a log of sense to me. Walton will be better IMO against NTs. He has the nasty demeanor, the strength, and the power to hold up against a guy like Cody. I am not sold on that with Pouncey and I see that as his one glaring weakness.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Pouncey is the best center in the draft.
maybe dude could’ve made the caveat (*trade down), but if you want to get your dude…you take him.
He ain’t your dude…but that’s irrelevant.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Come one FB
You know this pick is horrid admit it. They pass on Williams and Morgan to draft a center. Dont make me laugh this is a horrible reach and a garbage pick.
IMO
So what you're saying is
Dan Williams would be ready to start on the Broncos offense, and help them convert on 3rd and short situations.
Like ea said repeatedly, there is a logjam at NT in Denver right now, with only 1 OC (Dustin Fry,) who has been on 4 practice squads and was a 5th round pick in the 2007 draft.
- is a bit of a reach for Pouncey. I admit that and so did ea. But drafting down was not possible in this mock, so creating instant high-level competition in TC, with one of the best centers to come out of the draft in years, is not a bad way to go for Denver. Even then, we’d have 4 NTs and only 2 OCs.
Pouncey made all the calls for the FL Gators’ OL and they used the spread offense under coach Saban. As a result, he’s already somewhat familiar with the offense Denver’s trying to run, has intelligence for his desired position, and has a big enough frame to allow adding some muscle mass. Remember, he’s entered the draft early, and is only 20 years old, which means he’ll be a growing boy for the next 5 years.
At worst, he’d push Fry in TC and be a solid backup ‘till he’s ready. He may even play LG next to Fry until he’s ready to take over the starting role.
If in reality…as in late April in the actual draft, he can be selected in the latter half of the 1st round and Denver selects him, I’ll be content with it.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
1. above was the no. 11 pick overall in the draft.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
You think there's a "log jam" at NT
But when I look at the Broncos roster, at least on defense all I see is old people. How many decent DL has Denver drafted and developed in the last ten years? Please research this I think you’ll be astonished.
Denver has a bad habit of trading for washed up DL or signing them as UFA. Its about time the Broncos start getting a clue that this is no way to build a defense. Every year the Broncos sign old washed up DL, and screw themselves out of comps its hilarious.
IMO
The NTs are
Marcus Thomas, Chris Baker, Ron Fields, and your previous NT.
Chris Baker based on his collegiate performance, I believe is a true dark horse, and looked promising in preseason. But he needed to be groomed, since much like other linemen, he was raw.
Who on the line is old? You mean the secondary? We’re talking about the D-line, not the secondary and other than J. Williams, they’re all under 30. Baker and Thomas are in their early 20s. Fields is 28 and like Thomas, can play either NT or DE. So can Justin Bannan, for that matter, but we’re getting off topic.
Denver has a bad habit of trading for washed up DL or signing them as UFA. Its about time the Broncos start getting a clue that this is no way to build a defense. Every year the Broncos sign old washed up DL, and screw themselves out of comps its hilarious.
This above comment is an obsolete critique. Since it takes a couple of years to develop linemen on both sides of the ball, you cannot expect draft picks to start right away. That’s why you bring in talented veterans, so that for the next 1-3 years, the young guys have “on-field coaches” to learn from.
Come on now, don’t tell me you don’t know this.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Well said
I’m not sure how this turned into a conversation with our defensive line, but they all seem to think we need like 200 more. The common theory is that the line is old and Williams is just waiting for a broken ankle.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
No kidding
It’s the same old tiresome argument from Charger fans who find comfort in AJ’s successful drafts. What they forget is two things: 1. the old regime is gone, so historical references are now irrelevant and 2. they forget that it takes years to develop young players, so a team has no choice but to bring in stop-gap veterans.
Yawn. This is getting really old fast.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
You are talking about guys not projected to make the roster
Please tell me which 7 guys you think will make the Broncos DL on the 53
IMO
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=5007623
Since the 2000 season, the Broncos have used 27 different opening-day starters on the defensive line. Only seven were players originally drafted by the Broncos or signed as undrafted college free agents. Just twice in that 10-year stretch has Denver had more than two homegrown D-line starters in its Week 1 lineup. Five times in that span, the Broncos’ Week 1 D-line starters who began their careers in Denver numbered either zero or one.
Read that and then tell me again the Broncos know what they are doing in "developing’ their DL
IMO
You may find
this a good read.
I especially like some of the content under “Drafting Does Not Equal Winning.” If that was true, the Chargers would actually make it to the Superbowl with all that vast talent they have.
So your consistent advice on improving Denver’s draft is an old argument that doesn’t appear to hold water. As if Brian Xanders (Broncos’ GM) would listen to either one of us lol.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
This isn't the same regime
You can’t expect for a new HC and GM to change schemes on both sides of the ball – requiring new personnel – and expect them to wait by drafting and developing talent. They wouldn’t have a job.
The new schemes required new personnel. Drafting and developing each of those guys is literally impossible. Vets stop the gap while rookies begin to develop. None of this has anything to do with using a first pick to draft depth behind a deep position while ignoring two other holes.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
That's a good way to put it
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
nope.
“Reach” is a bad term. Need is better.
Pouncey is a top 20-25 talent. His position..kinda like a MLB or a OG, says that he should go in round 2.
Either way, if the Broncos need #1 is a Center..ensuring yourself of the best one is a good way to go.
…with the Taylor Mays pick at #6..a dude who I wouldn’t draft till the 3rd round (and my team could use a safety…)..I can’t call this one bad.
Pouncey will not be a bust. He may be a Pro Bowl Center.
Isn’t that the point of your first rounder? to get Pro Bowlers?
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 28, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well again,
Your evaluation didn’t mesh with every professional one that I’ve ever read. So either you’re a genius or you’re wrong.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
From the scouting reports i have read, He might not be able to face a good NT well. I also looked at tape and he didn’t do well against Dan Williams or Cody.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
A center didn't do well
against the top two NT’s in one-on-one situations? Guess we’ll have to rethink this.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
well…
He is being drafted as an immediate starter and the top center in the draft and you claim many say one of the top centers in the decade.
No need to be condescending…
If he can’t do well against 2 very good NTs in college, why would he do well against NTs in the pros? what about when denver has to face baltimore in 2010? They have an Excellent D-Line…
A once or twice in a decade center SHOULD be able to generally hold his own against very good or great NTs.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Because most NFL centers double team NT's
But you knew that right? Pouncey solo’s up on NT’s in college, even against Cody and Williams half the time.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
elvis you are generally level headed
But if even you cant see this pick is garbage, then you really need to upchuck some of that McKoolaid.
You cannot just throw away position value because you need a center, thats absolutely ludicrous. Its not like the Broncos are a center away from going somewhere. Their whole D is about 40, and you defend a center at #11 overall?
IMO
If the Broncos don't trade down
(or can’t) in the draft, and let’s say McClain is taken at #11, then they can aim for Walton or Tennant.
If they’re concerned about McClain’s Chron’s disease, then maybe they can “reach” for Brandon Graham. Why you ask?
Because it’s been said by McD that Haggan can move into ILB on the strong side (vacancy created by the release of Andra Davis) and that may open a need to bring in a quality OLB. Behind Ayers and Dumervil, we have Reid and Moss and Moss hasn’t overwhelmed anybody yet.
There are many ways to address need at reasonable value and our hypotheticals don’t mean anything, because at the end of the day, the FO will be making these decisions.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I wouldnt ask why you reach for Graham
So you dont need to answer you own question, you can just phrase it as a statement. No one here is retarded.
Edge rusher would be great value with that pick (MORGAN); edge rusher is like CB you really need 3 good ones.
IMO
I'm not calling you retarded
We have 2 edge rushers: Vonnie Holliday and Jarvis Green.
When the Chargers are in 3rd and long, I’d love to see:
LOLB: Robert Ayers
MLB: Rolando McClain or DJ Williams
ROLB: Elvis Dumervil
LDE: Vonnie Holliday
DT: Jamal Williams
DT: Chris Baker or Ron Fields
RDE: Jarvis Green
That’s right. A situational 4-3 and a pass-rushing nightmare for the SD O-line.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
That D gets owned when any team go 4 wide
Versus the Chargers you better be in nickel on 2nd down let along 3rd. What are you doing with all the beef up front trying to stop the Chargers non existent run game?
Who is going to cover the slot? Ayers? Doom? come on now.
LDE: Ayers
DT: Green
DT: Jwill
RDE: Doom
DJ and McClain
and then 5 DBs. Now that makes sense
IMO
The O-line
would probably collapse and Rivers would have less than 3 seconds to get rid of the football, which means, your plays haven’t had enough time to develop. Either he gets sacked, throws it into the dirt, or throws an INT. Bring in the punting unit.
I was thinking of a 3rd and 10+ scenario for the above scheme, as opposed to a 3rd and 6. In a 3rd and 6, I’d probably go with the nickel.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
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If you say so.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Thanks for the half-compliment lol
I do stand by the pick. Firmly. He couldn’t trade down in this draft. McClain was taken. We’re crowded on the defensive line. We have a PS player as our only center. We have a last year’s 4th round guard pick as a projected starter next to Fry (the PS player), and he’s had virtually no real snaps either.
Huge need is an understatement as it relates to our interior offensive line. We lack starters and depth. In this MOCK, the best center in the draft was the best choice at #11. Nobody will ever remember where he was taken at, so long as he can help get a running back over the goal line and push for third-and-shorts.
We’ll agree to disagree.
P.S. You folks are too considered with age. Our secondary was great last year.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
What?
Too bad the front 7 is much more important than the back four.
The Chargers are one of the youngest defensive teams. And if you notice our vets are mostly backups not starters. The Broncos love to bury their young talent to “groom” behind overpaid vets; its quite entertaining actually.
And interior OL are a dime a dozen, you can find real good ones in mid rounds. Last year the Chargers found their new starting RG and future left LG/C in the 3rd and 4th rounds.
IMO
I’m glad you found immediate starters in the mid-rounds. It’s rare. That’s where they’re found (interior O’ Linemen), but they usually take a year or more to develop.
We don’t have that luxury. We can’t take that risk. I’m just not sure why you can’t understand that.
Every pick we take will be a young guy. You guys seem to think we need to get younger elsewhere. Fine. But on what planet would getting younger where you have a Warm-Body be more important than to get young where you have a No-body.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I understand the concern
But you cannot throw out position value, ever. It doesnt work. What it turns into is a never ending cycle.
You have to keep signing vets, if you use high picks on positions that are not critical. And if you keep signing vets you never get comps. And if you never get comps you cannot take chances on developmental guys. And if you can not take developmental guys you have to draft for need (even at non critical positions).
Please dont tell me that OG/C is critical to the Broncos, because Im trying to say is non critical to building a team and moving forward. Beyond 2010
It goes around and around and around
IMO
You can throw out positional value
in a fake draft where no drades are allowed.
You’re using words in absolutes, and trying to make an average of one. One year is how long our coach has had this team. A hundred vets were brought in because we changed systems on both sides of the ball. We had more new guys last year than players who were already Broncos.
You can’t consider this a trend or a rule. This is the second year of building a team basically from the ground up. We won’t need to keep bringing in vets once we have players that fit our new scheme.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Must correct you on this one
The Broncos love to bury their young talent to "groom" behind overpaid vets; its quite entertaining actually.
How can this hold water, when the linemen are in rotation? They’ll all see their fair share of playing time to keep themselves fresh.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
OLD PLAYERS
Take snaps away from the young DL prospects.
You also dodge my question. I asked if you could name some of the DL the Broncos have drafted and developed in the last decade?
IMO
Irrelevant
Shanahan is gone.
In 2009, Chris Baker was drafted. The 2010 draft has not taken place as of yet, and with the current depth on the D-line, the more immediate concerns are the interior O-line.
Will Dan Williams help with that situation, as I asked earlier? The OC must be addressed somehow and Cam Thomas can be selected after D. Williams is gone.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Do me a favor and answer this question:
Why do Charger fans keep acting like the new regime is the same as the old? It never seizes to amaze me, how you guys keep comparing apples to oranges. Why is that?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Your team keeps signing old players alone the Dline
You guys routinely give comps to other teams by signing guys to their last contract.
Sounds like the same thing to me, except under Shanny you guys had an explosive offense.
IMO
Already answered higher up in the thread
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
It doesn’t mean he’s mirroring Shanny because he’s bringing in vets. He’s bringing in vets because the scheme changed on both sides of the ball. The old personnel didn’t fit. It would take a decade to DRAFT all new personnel that would fit. Free agency is a stop gap.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
i voted c
but a D of F worked too
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This is best case senario for the Fins.
It leaves them with alot of talented players still on that board for them to choose that fill their needs. And it also gives them leverage to trade back if someone reallys wants Dez Bryant, CJ Spiller, Derrick Morgan, Etc.
Prediction: Miami will go with Dez Bryant next.
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by JP 23 on Mar 27, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
My guess is that this year will see a decline in running back draft stock
I’m not necessarily predicting that Spiller will fall much, although he might, but I’m talking more in general.
Some really good running backs were going for a dime a dozen this off-season. Both LT and Thomas Jones were allowed to leave their teams and sign on with new teams for a measly $2.5M per year. And there’s still RB’s out there that can’t find a job. Then you look at how Boldin got his payday, Kevin Walter was moved, a third string QB was traded for a relatively high amount, etc.. The league seems to be going toward a passing trend that values the short and injury prone life span of running backs less and less.
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This is a horrible pick for Denver with so many other needs. Pouncey is a frigne first rounder and going number 11 is a tremendous reach.
What other needs David?
Who would you start at center for Denver? What need would you have filled at #11?
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I like how non-Denver fans are criticizing that it's a horrible pick...there are other needs to grab....
and like the one Denver guy is thrilled.
Take JD Walton in the second round for your center.
Use the eleven pick for Dan Williams. There, that wasn’t too hard.
Not hard, but not smart
Why would we spend a top-tenish pick on an area where we have no need? The Broncos have lost no key players to their defensive line but added three rather high profile free agents across the line. The Broncos took San Diego’s starting NT and still have the one they used last year.
Taking a developmental project like Cam Thomas makes sense to get younger. But spending the 11 pick on a defensive line that’s already deep and upgraded at every position makes no sense.
As to Walton, well that’s not a bad idea. The only problem is that if he’s not ready, Denver’s only other option is a three-season player that’s never started, taken virtually no snaps, and was just stolen off the practice squad of another team – the Broncos is his fourth team in as many years.
Would you trust the ability to stop the run on this guy and a 2nd rounder? Not to mention, the guy projected to start to the right of center has never started either.
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You act like the broncos just grabbed a 28 year old Jamal Williams. They didn’t. Jamal williams has missed about 20 starts in the last 3 seasons. He missed almost all of last year. He is constantly banged up and is getting up there in age. At this point, he is like a more injury prone version of Ted Washington when washington came to the browns. Willaims also has very poor stamina at this point and even in 2008, wasn’t able to stay on the field as much as he used to. I have doubts if he can even play 40-50 percent of the total snaps this year at NT.
I believe walton is ready however. To me, he also looks to be much better holding up against Nose Tackles.
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by bross09 on Mar 27, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jamal Williams is starting
Last year’s starting nose guard will back him up. Whether you like it or not, that won’t change. A development prospect is useful to get younger, but he’ll get bench time. It’s a want, not a need. The line is upgraded and deep. Your opinion of Jamal Willimas is of no matter.
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Its not an opinion really of Jamal Williams.
Williams will be 34…he has missed significant time with injury…He can’t stay on the field as long as he used too…All I am saying is grabbing Jamal Williams doesn’t fix a problem. that is like a team grabbing LT in free agency and saying they fixed their problem at RB…
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And Jamal Williams probably has a few good games left
but you don’t want your defense to rely on him or having to play a backup for half of the snaps.
The backup was last year's starter and will do fine
I hear this stuff all the time. If San Diego had been able to keep him, we wouldn’t be talking about this. They wouldn’t have as many questions either. The guy is absolutely dominant when playing. His age is a concern, but there’s already plenty of depth and upgrades.
Just because Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins are getting older doesn’t mean we have to crowd the position then draft first round safety and corner. You develop in the mid rounds. Like last year, we took a corner and a safety, two I think. You don’t spend a first round pick where you’re deep, regardless of the fact that the actual starter will need a backup for his backup and need replaced in a few years.
Just stop with the nose guard. We’re very happy with it. I’m sure you looked at our old secondary last year and this year and said the same thing. Goodman and Dawk had career years. Champ never gave up a touchdown. Age is an issue, but it’s not THE ONLY issue.
WE HAVE FOUR NT’S AND ONLY ONE CENTER. There’s a dominant center that would be taken within the next ten picks. None of our other needs were there. So we took the center and filled the glaring need.
Very responsible and sensible pick.
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Yo!
Jamal Williams IS playing. Whether you like it or not, he is. That’s not up for debate. HE IS THE STARTER. If he gets hurt, last year’s nose guard backs him up.
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I thought the idea was to address and fix your weaknesses in the offseason?
When Williams gets hurt, you guys will be in the same spot as last year. One of the weakest run defences in the league. Correct that, Williams won’t help you much so you will be right back there.
by NorthLeft12 on Mar 27, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen to the echo chamber much?
Jamal Williams isn’t as injury prone as others would have you believe. Truth is, last year was the only year in which he hasn’t started at least thirteen games every year since ’03.
He’s a top-three NT when healthy. He’s rested, weight is down, and ready to rock San Diego twice a year. So don’t hate, just wait.
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JD Walton. can get him in the 2nd and fits better. might not have huge upside but he can start right away and did well against Nose Tackles this year and can hold his own.
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Maybe...
But arean’t you the guy that’s not sure Pouncey’s a first-rounder?
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He will probably go in the first, but I probably have him as maybe around the 30th best player in the draft. I believe he is a bit overrated. I have heard some say he will be a consistent All Pro player. at #11 I would hope so for a center. However, I think he will be very good, but not great.
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Plenty of other rounds to fill other needs.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Mar 28, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions
WAY TOO HIGH!!
He is a late first, early second at best. Huge reach at 11. They should go McClain or Dez Bryant (if they trade Brandon Marshall of course).
McClain is gone and Marshall has yet to be traded.
by Brennan McCoy on Mar 27, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I pretty much almost used thos exact same words until I saw your reply
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Im talking about real life
McClain isnt going to the Chiefs and Brandon Marshall will most likely be traded whether you like it or not.
Well you should warn us when..
we go from playing monopoly to life =)
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Wow, that's a reach
If I’m Denver and I can’t trade back, I’d try to get a top-tier NT with the #14 and then trade back into the 1st from the 2nd-rounder to grab a center.
It's the #11 if they can't trade back
And Denver just signed San Diego’s starting nose guard. A guy like Cam Thomas would be a nice pick up to groom at the nose, but after all the rather high profile pickups to the defensive line in free agency, Denver is upgraded at each spot and deep.
Walton and Tennant in the 2nd or 3rd aren’t as likely to immediately start.
Trading back would have been the play here, but that wasn’t a possibility.
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Oops, the #11
I still think a good NT will be a lot more more valuable than a good C/OG. You can have a pretty decent OL with a mediocre C. If you don’t have a good NT, your 3-4 D is in trouble.
Last year, Denver signed a bunch of RBs and DBs in FA and then drafted an RB and DB high. This year, there seems to be a lot of DL FA signings, but nobody has been signed to giant or long term contract.
Jamal Williams is 33, coming off an injury and signed to a short-term contract (3 years, $16M with $7M guaranteed). He may be the NT for now, but he’s not long for the NFL. Now is a great time to bring in a young guy to that will lead the DL for the next 10 years, that can be mentored by Williams.
I still think a good NT will be a lot more more valuable than a good C/OG.
Not if one will play and the other won’t.
Last year, Denver signed a bunch of RBs and DBs in FA and then drafted an RB and DB high. This year, there seems to be a lot of DL FA signings, but nobody has been signed to giant or long term contract.
Yes. But the year prior the Broncos had to go down to the local cell phone shop to pick up their sixth running back to start after all the injuries. The entire RB roster had to built from scratch. The defensive line is different. We’ve still got the NT we used last year and both DE’s. Yet, we’ve added three upgrades to the lineup. This line is upgraded and deep.
Age is a concern for Jamal. But like I said, we’ve still got last year’s nose guard and young DE’s. So while we may pickup a defensive linemen to develop, there’s no priority on it. Spending the 11 for a bench warmer when the interior offensive line is in shambles would be irresponsible.
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are you saying that Jamal Williams will play 100% of the snaps then? even 50%??
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Dude, this is getting old...
But it could be just because I’m behind in the replies and repeating myself lol
I’m saying that the line is deep. Williams is an upgrade over last year’s nose guard. Willimas isn’t good when healthy, he’s great. Last year’s nose guard is backing him up. Denver has two young NT’s in development (Marcus Thomas and Chris Baker).
If a NT is taken, fine. But it won’t be early. We have four on the roster. We have one center, and he’s never been a starting center in the NFL. He’s never started a game and only played in four games in three years. He’s had four teams in this fourth year.
WE HAVE FOUR NT’S AND ONE CENTER. We don’t need a NT, not early especially.
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you mean a 34 year old Nose Guard who has missed about 20 starts the last 2 seasons and almost all of last year? a guy that was Cut because mainly injury and age? Yeah, that position is guaranteed for a long time
Walton and Tennant likely would start when they are taken. Especially walton. you claim there isn’t much at the position. Walton could easily start and IMO do just as well and you can get him A ROUND LATER.
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Hey wise guy...
Aren’t you the one that thinks Pouncey isn’t a first rounder?? lol Ok, I kid, I kid. Enough =)
As I’ve repeated like a parrot above, the line still has last year’s nose tackle, two additional upgraded starters and the young DE’s of last year.. plus a couple situational guys. The line is deep.
You’ve got to stop saying Walton and Tennant would start if you don’t think Pouncey is a first rounder.
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I think pouncey IS a first rounder…
I just think he is more of an end of the first guy…I think he could be a good player, but at #11, I feel he will never live up to the pick.
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Sometimes, you can’t help where you’re getting it.
Talents that I covet:
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by Carl Shinyama on Mar 28, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
yes. That is why I gave the pick a C. It was a good need and a solid player, but a bit of a reach. Good talent at a need, but I may have done something different.
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A "C"?!?
That’s actually surprisingly impressive coming from you. I would have thought you flunked us lol We’ll take that!
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I like overly critical for the sake of argument…
but it isn’t a bad move. I knew the broncos did need a Center, and although I consider it a big reach, it was for maybe their most glaring need. It was better still IMO than the Chiefs reaching for Tyson Jackson. I felt that jackson wasn’t at a big need and drafted too early.
I usually don’t agree with many reach picks to fix a certain need. however, this one was one of the better ones I have seen (if it actually happens)
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The Broncos fixed the defensive line through free agency
I wouldn’t say an average DE and a 34 year old injury prone NT is ‘fixed’
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 27, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions
they are rare, but this draft may have 3…at least 2…
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Denver fans know their team better than you or I
Maybe they don’t like Walton. Maybe he doesn’t fit into their system.
If Denver fans are happy about it….that’s what matters. I don’t see the point of people saying “reach” or “so and so is better for your team’s scheme.”
It’s only a reach because mockers have their own draft boards and assume it’ll go like they think when teams have the real draft boards that matter.
denver fans know better…whatever…
So because denver fans know better and they like the pick, it is a good pick? All I am saying is JD Walton can start right away too.
I am not denying they could use a center, I just see this as not the wisest pick in this situation.
Maybe they don’t like walton, maybe he doesn’t fit into their system…but maybe pouncey doesn’t fit into their system…Who are we to speculate? No one here knows what their organization thinks of either…not even the broncos fans.
So if the fans are happy, that means the pick is a slam dunk? You have to look at things objectively and fan perspective isn’t always objective. Also, going by fan opinion alone is completely objective.
I think it is a reach because I don’t think he will live up to this pick. not by a long shot. IN his career I think he can make some pro bowls, but I don’t think he is the second coming of Olin Kreutz.
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Bronco fans follow the team...
I think they know what kind of system they run.
Should fan happiness be the determining factor of a good pick? Of course not, but I’m sure they’ve also debated this into the ground.
You have your own opinion of Pouncey. I think this guy’s got a good-to-great 12-15 year career ahead of him. Who knows? In a year, they could draft him and it could turn out to be a great pick. Right now, it’s all guessing…
I think Pouncey could have a good to great career ahead of him…I have always felt though that first round, espcecially top 15, you want playmakers who will impact the game and be possible superstars. I think pouncey could be really good, but I don’t see that from him.
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You don't know if Walton can start
I don’t either, but I know it’s unlikely
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Hey Slim,
Whatever your opinion is, well that’s just fine. But you miss the point that the Broncos obviously feel they repaired it. Why spend a #11 pick for a bench warmer when you’ve got no center, no quality depth at center, and one of the projected guards has never started or taken meaningful snaps?
How did this turn into being about a effin NT anyway?
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Hmmmmmm
That sounds like the same stuff that people said last year when we acquired Dawkins Hill and Goodman and called our secondary “fixed”. That seemed to work out pretty well.
It’s like deja vu…..
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 28, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno about this...
Pouncey is NOT a reach here…his position says he is, but he’s a solid player who could (and probably would) start right away.
But the center position is deep in this draft even if it is a need. JD Walton and Matt Tennant could be had in the 2nd or 3rd, and be solid picks
Dan Williams would fill that NT position for em (Jamal Williams has not found the fountain of youth…). Obviously they could get that NT later on (and probably would after this pick).
I think its a better pick then the Taylor Mays one..cuz Mays apparently doesn’t wear a jacket in the cold, for fear of covering something.
DWTDD
Agreed.
Mount Cody in round 2….Cam Thomas, Torrell Troup, Jay Ross, Linval Joseph. With Jamal Williams in a 3 year deal, they can afford to slowly work in a later round pick.
I disagree. He IS a reach here. He could be a great player, but with the rumors I heard at the Oakland SBN site of them possibly switching to a 3-4, this isn’t a great fit for the broncos. Pouncey looked bad against Dan Williams and he didn’t look good matched up against Mount Cody. even the MTD scouting report on him talks about how he excellent but doesn’t dominate and tends to struggle against NTs. he will face 8 NTs this year…
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Pouncey is a top 20 talent. The only reason it’d be Pouncey over Iupati is cuz they need a OC more then an OG
He’s playing a “third round position”…that’s all.
And when you talk about all the NT’s he’s gotta face…EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Broncos Center MUST suck, if they’re assuring themselves of the best C in the draft.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY. HE has to face a lot of NTs and I am not overly confident in this area with him. From the tape I have seen, Walton is more able to contain big D-Lineman.
I think it is a stretch to call Pouncey top 20.
Top 20 would likely put him ahead of Odrick, Kyle Wilson, Gresham Iupati, and Maybe Weatherspoon….I don’t see it…
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The Broncos have 1 center on the roster
He’s essentially been on scouting teams. Given how important a center is to a line….yeah, it’s understandable why centers would be a must have for Denver.
I think the FO will address that before the draft
If only for the reason that no FO wants to go into a draft with huge gaping holes in their roster that they need to address by reaching for players with high picks.
If they really did want Pouncey (which isn’t out of the question), I think they’d try to trade down 10-15 picks, but that sort of thing isn’t allowed under the rules of this mock.
With who?
Kevin Mawae and Bobbie Williams are about all that’s left. God help us if we take Kevin Mawae, I’ll have to listen to bross09 about his age all day lol
No. Actually, I think if we miss in the draft, then we will pick up Mawae if he’s still available. The thing that you folks seem to be missing though, is that in real life, Denver is allowed to trade back – making a move for Pouncey less “reachy” and more valuable.
Trading wasn’t an option in this MOCK.
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I wouldn’t suggest the broncos to take Mawae. I would say go for a C in the 2nd or trade down. Here, you can’t trade down though and if the broncos want Pouncey, they can go get pouncey. It definitely is a need and There aren’t options out there. Williams could be good but I thought he was more a guard…
I agree with trading back and getting pouncey. I think the problem is the no trade clause in this draft. Pouncey seems to be the guy broncos fans like. He seems to be a good pick for your needs. it just seems out of place to many to draft him at 11. I believe it is likely the broncos do trade down and get him.
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I'm don't see it as unlikely
Although I see how many other do see it that way. You should be introduced to Josh McDaniels. Our Coach moves draft picks like chess pieces. He made numerous trades last year. In fact, one of them was to trade this year’s 1st for an early 2nd round last year… to fill a need.
If he wants to pounce on the top center… He’ll do it and he’ll never look back.
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For Denver
If they want pouncey they should trade down. He is not a top of the first round player and if they really want him they should trade back. If they stay Earl Thomas is a better player and a great help for denver and could maybe play CB next to Champ Bailey.
He’s not a top of the first round player to you.
Each team’s board looks different based on their schemes and needs. For all you know, he could be the guy Denver’s FO wants. Mel Kiper….mockers….all of these “draft boards” don’t matter in the end because it comes down to the front offices.
well…is this the Denver FO picking. I understand every front office has their own ideas of what they want and who is better. however to say that someone is wrong for thinking is a reach doesn’t work. How do you know he is what they want? No one knows. it is all speculation and from the Knowledge David7 has about the broncos and Pouncey as a player, he feels they should have traded down. No one here is the Broncos front office and no one here knows what they want. What you are saying with it coming down to the front offices can be applied to any pick. It is a blanket argument that doesn’t work
lets say someone predicts in a mock that the Rams take Taylor Mays with the first overall pick. Someone can criticize but then the person that makes it uses your argument. with this argument about the front office, no Mock is valid. If you think this, why are you commenting on a mock draft?
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I like this pick dude! Josh does exactly what you do! Draft who he wants when he has the option!
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I think that's likely
Insofar as McD probably emulates the Pats’ methods and the Pats supposedly pick a limited number of guys in the draft and trade down if they’re not available at the right place.
The “problem” with this mock is that trades aren’t permitted so teams can’t trade down to take players later. I think the #11 pick is probably tradable, depending on who is left on the board, and could see the Broncos trading down if they are, in fact, targeting a C or OG.
Lmao! The dude at MileHighReport is pathetic! He put Rolando McClain instead on that site so that none of the fans would get mad! Check it out for yourself! And he made sure we could not comment on the post as well! Lmao! Check it out yourself!
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/26/1391785/2010-mhr-community-mock-draft-with#comments
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by JP 23 on Mar 27, 2010 8:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
that's their own mock draft on Mile High Report
not this one.
Rolando McCLain is gone in this one…..
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You sure about that? Cause it says SBnation community mock.
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by JP 23 on Mar 27, 2010 8:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dunno if you linked to the wrong one
but the one its linked to says “MHR Community Mock”
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 27, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the MHR mock draft
Its pretty crazy as well (Thomas at the #6), but its completely different.
It's a different mock
He clearly rates McClain higher but he was gone in this mock.
Seriously check your facts before calling someone “pathetic”. Because, well, since you’re the one that’s wrong, and the one throwing accusations, it makes you question who is the pathetic one??
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by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 27, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You should look closer before you mock the MOCK
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Whoops,
Need to pay more attention.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 28, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me try a new tact...
With the emergence and heightened popularity of the 3-4 defense, NT’s, giant-scary NT’s are becoming more and more prominent. Eventually, teams will begin to trend toward valuing the offensive center as more important. When teams realize that a dominant center could more often handle a NT without the need to double team, they’ll place more importance on him. This isn’t indifferent to the emergence of LT’s as a way to combat guys like Lawrence Taylor back in the day.
The trend has already begun. NT’s were franchised nearly everywhere this year. Nearly half of all NFL teams no use the 3-4. A center was taken in the first round last year, three in the top-whatever, first time in 50 years. Now you can sit back and criticize, you can jump on board, or you can follow the leader.
Denver, in this mock, is leading that trend. They’ve thrown conventional wisdom out and drafted a dominant center and said damn the critics. When he’s able to one-on-one your nose guards, you’ll sing another tune.
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the question is, is pouncey that kind of Center that can dominate A NT?
I don’t believe so. I recently watched tape of him this year against Cody and ’Bama. Cody pushed him around pretty well. Even on MTDs website, if you look at the scouting report, they note that he can get overpowered by a good NT. They point to the game where he did poorly this year against Dan Williams. in a way, you made my point for me. The nice thing I have seen from tape and scouting reports of Walton, is that He holds his own well against a big DT or a NT.
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He's the first or second highest rated center to come out in what five years?
I’m not going to get into your evaluations on Mount Cody vs Pouncey going one-on-one. I’ll take the professional evaluations that rank him as one of the top OC’s to come out of college in the last decade. And if Denver picks him at # 11, well that’s just fine.
Nobody is going to remember when we picked him if he can take on half of your nose guards, half of the time, without needing to double team them.
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Nobody will remember him IF he can do well against Nose Guards. I am not sold though from what I saw on tape if he can do fairly well.
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And no offense friend
But I can’t help but lol to myself lol
You may not be sold from what you saw on tape, but I’m not entirely sold on your tape-watching ability =)
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Pouncey hysteria has run amok in Bronco Country...
…ergo his legend has expanded like Cholera in a 3rd world country. The blinders are completely on when it comes to his struggles holding ground, his technique issues, and the fact that he played with significantly different technique in Florida’s gimmick offense than he’ll be expected to play in the NFL. I don’t think he’s a bad idea as a prospect in a trade down— but if Denver is going to ‘reach’ for interior line help, I’ll be dumfounded if Pouncey gains favor ahead of either Iupati or T. Williams. If for no other reason, I think its a heck of a lot more realistic to hope for a meaningful impact out of a rookie left guard than it is to expect a early entry prospect from an odd system to step in and handle the mental and physical aspects of playing C in the NFL.
That said, I seem to be at odds with about 98% of fellow Broncos fans on a number of prospects….
Iupati! Iupati! Iupati!
by PredominantlyOrange on Mar 27, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand where you are coming from. teams always seem to get enamored with one player and its like a fish story (where it keeps getting bigger and bigger). over at DBN, there was a bit of this for a while with Joe Haden. Personally, Haden fills a need, i just don’t want to draft him in the top 10…but people were almost campaigning on there for him.
I think it would actually not be bad if they traded down and got pouncey. As I have said, i think walton might be a bit better because of the systems in their division. From what I saw, Walton was solid against Big Tackles and I believe he can hold his ground better against a nose. I think pouncey could be good, but broncos fans shouldn’t get their hopes up.
Pouncey reminds me a lot of Jeff Faine but a bit bigger and a bit stronger. Faine has turned into a very good player and a borderline pro bowler. However, he struggled a lot in cleveland. This was because cleveland went up against 3-4 teams like the Ravens and Steelers. Faine went to the saints and became a pro bowler. Look at that division…all 4-3 Defenses with no nose tackles. He is now on the Bucs, Same division. Pouncey is a bit bigger so he would probably fare a bit better against NTs but I would say that is still maybe the weakest part of his game…plus his mean streak and not being overly dominant at times…they said the same about Faine…
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That's a better opinion of why Pouncey may not be a good pick
Having seen a lot of Baylor games, I like Walton, but I dunno if he could start from day one. His footwork needs some work, but he also needs to work on his calls at the line.
If their C position is as bad as they say it is, it is likely he would start from day one. Now pouncey could prove me wrong and do well against NTs, however he didn’t do well in college and one guy he is compared to a big by scouts didn’t do well in the pros against NTs. He is a more built version of jeff Faine. Same strengths and weaknesses. Faine has become a very good player, however he struggled in cleveland, especially when facing the ravens or the steelers, both 3-4 teams.
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If the NT is so important (and I think it is)
the Broncos should invest a high pick there AND draft a C that holds up well against big NTs. The NT plays a pivotal role in the success of the defense in a way that the center doesn’t play in the offense.
We already have four NT's
If we take another one to kick Chris Baker, it won’t be early. It will be a Cam Thomas, or later. It will be developmental. Spending your highest resource on your deepest position – when you have no real starters at two other positions – is asinine.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I don't know the Denver roster as well as you do
You could have 4 great starting-quality NTs or just 3 big fat guys and Williams, for all I know.
What I do know is that the NT is one of the most important guys on the defense, which means you want to invest disproportionately at that position (relative to other positions). Right now, you have the opportunity to draft a premier player at that position and you will still be able to address your needs at C in the second round with a starting-quality player. Also, your starting NT has is old, has been injury-plagued in recent years and has a short contract.
Also, there are rumors that Seattle may package Sims (OG) and/or Spencer © as part of a trade for Marshall, which would alleviate some of the needs in the interior OL.
Dude that's like saying QB is the most important positon on the offense...
So the Eagles should draft a QB.
Also, there are rumors that Seattle may package Sims (OG) and/or Spencer © as part of a trade for Marshall, which would alleviate some of the needs in the interior OL.
If that happens all bets are off. That would change things. It would alleviate some desperation. Not only do we have only the one no-name, never-started center, we’re also projecting to start a never-started guard, also. That’s why I say, when people talk about us needing a nose tackle it just strikes me as crazy talk. We could use one in the mid rounds, sure. But we’ve got real problems to deal with first.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
If they didn't have Kolb
the Eagles should have drafted a QB last year. The Seahawks had 5 LTs last year, but nobody wanted LT 2-5 to start. In key positions, which disproportionate influence on the (offensive or defense) unit, you should invest disproportionately.
I understand that, right now, you have needs in the interior OL, but that’s no reason to invest a high pick at the position if you don’t have to. No FO wants to walk into a draft being forced to take a player just to fill a spot. I think that the Denver FO will add depth before the draft, allowing them use that high pick at a position with a higher impact.
No FO wants to walk into a draft being forced to take a player just to fill a spot.
Yet, sometimes it happens.
I think that the Denver FO will add depth before the draft, allowing them use that high pick at a position with a higher impact.
And I think you’re wrong. Unless they get something through trade, I think they’ll hit the draft and if they can’t get what they want without reaching too highly… then they’ll bring in a stop-gap.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Worrying about what others will say
and how you’ll be graded… Ignoring a need due to fear of backlash = Fail
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
As an aside,
I didn’t realize you’re a Chargers guy. You wanna tell me what you think about Jamal? Were you guys trying to sign him back? I heard that was the case. I know that other than last year, he’s been good for 13+ games every year. I know that he came into Denver rested, in good shape, less weight, etc..
But what were the thoughts about him coming back from the fans? I’ve looked at the two guys you had cover for him last year and they were unimpressive. You get the same impression? Any other options on the roster that I don’t know about? How desperate are you for a NT? Would you reach for Cody at #28?
I’m actually representing your team in a community mock at MHR. You’re in good hands, I represented KC last time and they gave me two front page posts and made me a hero lol
I’m thinking of making a reach for Cody, because I see you as desperately needing a guy who can compete to take the starting role. Cody’s just a run-stuffer, but so was Jamal. Thoughts?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
The Chargers axed Jwill cause they didnt want to pay him
He lost weight prior to 2009 and its was said that he was in very good shape, and the lighter weight had increased his explosion. Lighter being 335 instead of 350, at least thats what was reported. It was obvious he lost weight but I doubt he less than 340.
The Chargers are really going to roll the dice at NT his year. It will either be genius or completely retarded. I doubt they take a NT before the 4th round. Right now on the roster they have a couple scrubs they really like in Antonio Garay and Ogemdi Nwoubo. One was on a PS and the other was working at the SD airport last year.
Our blog sucks so you wont be a hero no matter who you pick; but I’d suggest going RB, OT, S in the first 3 rounds in whatever order.
After that WR, NT, CB, and RB in whatever order
The Chargers dont think they need a NT high, I know that sounds crazy but it is the truth. We really stop teams from running on us by scoring quickly. Thats basically the Chargers run D, and they really do like the scrubs they have alone on the DL currently.
IMO
Somehow that actually makes sense
the part about scoring quick to keep teams from running. I’m not going to wait until round-four to take a NT, but I’ll certainly heed some of the advice. It’s one of those MOCKS were anywhere from one to like five picks are made per day. I didn’t want to take a RB early due to their depth in this draft, but it’s shaping up to look like Spiller could actually be available at around that first pick. I’m considering a move. Because you still have Sproles, I’d rather get a bruiser. 210-220lbs or so. But we’ll see.
The OT is a RT that you need correct? I was figuring round two for that, depending on who’s available. I’ve heard much about the CB concerns, but we’re talking more of a nickle corner with upside to jump the #2 spot right? There’s no real crisis there?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
This is an absolutely terrible pick. Absolutely bad. Mack tremendously graded higher than Pouncey last year and he was considered a reach even then. Pouncey isn’t close to the prospect Mack was and he’s obviously isn’t worthy of such a high pick. I probably wouldn’t even say he measures up to Wood. Pouncey struggled against top competition with Florida and he really didn’t stand a chance against large DT’s. The reason why Center’s have become more popular is because of the transition to 3-4 by a lot of teams. It would be pretty stupid to grab a Jeff Faine type center in the first, let alone with the #11 pick.
But when it boils down to it, Bronco fans may be justifying the pick but luckily the Bronco front office isn’t dumb enough to go this route.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Mar 28, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
Thats a huuuge Reach
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Nice pick John :~)
With both McClain & Haden off the board I really like this pick. The obvious move here would be to try to trade back a few spots to get Pouncey & pick up an additional pick but since there are no trades in this mock, great pick.
If the draft goes down like this one has and if there are no willing trade partners I would not be upset one bit to take Pouncey with #11. We are desperate at C and taking the best C in the whole draft is a good move.
Clady, Pouncey, Kuper, & Harris would be a youthful and very formidiable O Line. If we can address LG as well we would be set in the trenches on that side of the ball for many years to come.
+1 on the pick John. Our desperate need for C easily justifies a reach of 7 spots or so.
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