BUST-O-METER: Jimmy Clausen
by Jon Dove on Mar 29, 2010 3:18 PM EDT
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The NFL Draft is suppose to be a time where teams fill their rosters with young promising players that will ensure success in the future, unfortunately this isn’t always the case. Year in and Year out players are selected and fail to live up to their potential and are labeled BUSTS. These Busts could potentially have a crippling affect on a franchises future. Some of the more famous draft Busts are Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Lawrence Phillips, and Ki-Jana Carter. How a bust is determined is too undefined to get into details about.
A prime example is the 6 straight losing seasons following the Bengals failure to develop Akili Smith into a capable NFL starter. Compare that to the 6 straight winning seasons produced by the Chargers after drafting Phillip Rivers in 2004. Of course these players are not solely responsible for their team’s success or failures but they did have a major impact.
After looking over the players projected to go in the first round I was amazed how many gave me an uneasy feeling. I am going to start a weekly BUST-O-METER and examine those players who I feel have the biggest red flags. I encourage that all the readers get involved and suggest potential busts of the week. You can email me by clicking the mail link by my user profile. I also encourage good conversation on the comment sections. Leave comments to help me feel better about a player or continue to add on the pile.
Player:
Jimmy Clausen- QB- Notre Dame
BUST-O-METER:
6 out of 10
Thoughts:
I am sure this will be a highly debated Bust-O-Meter. When you look at Jimmy Clausen you have a lot of different things. He is a household name due to being a highly sought after recruit and playing for a national draw in Notre Dame. Clausen has a lot of things leaning in his favor; he has a ton of game experience (starting since a freshman), played in a pro style offense, and has the physical abilities to play the position. I would say that the top factor going for Clausen is the fact that he played for Charlie Weis in a pro style offense. Much has been made about the fact that he learned how to read defenses and that he is comfortable taking a snap from behind center.
But with all those positives Clausen has some doubters. He has good but not great arm strength and accuracy. There are some that doubt Clausen’s leadership ability stating that he is cocky, a result from being in the spotlight dating back to his high school days.
I believe that the quarterback position has the toughest route to success. There is such a high value on the quarterback position that quarterback needy teams often reach for players hoping to strike it rich. Does Clausen have potential? Yes he does. But is he a "franchise quarterback", worthy of a top 10 pick? That’s the question and the gamble for all teams considering drafting Clausen. If you select a quarterback in the top 10 he had better be the face of your franchise and lead your team to playoff appearances or…….. BUST! This is why Clausen’s bust potential is so high.
Potential Teams: Browns team needs, Redskins team needs, Bills team needs,
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he comes off as douchey
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So does Phillip Rivers.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 29, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Rivers can back up his mouth
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by Patssuck456 on Mar 29, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 30, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 31, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
no he is
douchey
"WIth the 5th pick in the 2010 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select... Eric Berry Safety Tennesee... "
Both are douchey
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't argue...
I mean, basically every QB should get a 6/10 rating, just cuz they’re a top pick in the draft.
I think Bradford’s a bigger bust potential, but Clausen is too…especially if the team he goes to is handled wrong (and given the top 10 looks eerily similar to last year..its tough to call any of the organizations in the top 10 well run).
DWTDD
He's definitely gonna bust
His attitude combined with lack of any standout skill screams JP Losman to me. No one wants to be teammates with JD McCoy.
They are completely different QBs. Losman threw picks and was an inaccurate college passer. Clausen threw four pick the whole year and was incredibly accurate. Losman had a cannon. Clausen’s arm is less powerful.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 29, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Why argue w/this guy?
Look at his first statement. He clearly knows what he’s talking about, w/out a doubt. Anybody who can come onto a mock forum and say the word ‘definitely’ under any circumstances, must be a wise individual beyond reproach.
Really
Your panties are in a bunch over the word definitely? Please tell me, oh might arbiter of allowable vocabulary, what words am I allowed to use?
If your not allowed to come out strongly in favor of one opinion, then what’s the point of saying anything at all. If I had come on and said “There’s a chance he could not be a good QB” that’s not saying anything at all.
There's nothing less definite than predicting mocks or who's going to bust
But even worse than that, you know very little about Clausen and pretend that you do, which just compounded your lack of credibility. Back it up if you’re going to say, “He’s definitely going to bust.”
Sometimes busts can be pretty definite
Darius Heyward-Bay springs to mind. And how do you know how much I know about Clausen? I’ve seen him play live twice and watched him on tv a few more times. My back up is what I said, he doesn’t NFL quality accuracy nor arm strength, but he is treated as a top ten because he went to Notre Dame.
Just because you’re a Clausen fan doesn’t mean you have to attack people who don’t think he’s going to be a good NFL QB. This whole post is a discussion of his ability to translate to the NFL. Why don’t you try coming up with some evidence in support of him instead of attacking my supposed “lack of knowledge”?
I guess 68 percent in a pro style offense is inaccurate
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Your an idiot
Heyward Bey was a bust for precisely the reason Clausen shouldnt be… NFL readiness
he was a speed demon who was known to have unpolished route running etc… Al Davis doesnt scout talent he scouts workouts
Clausen, if you watch him play, and here I mean watch HIM play, not have you been to two games he played in while cheering for his opponent, you would notice that he has all the tools to succeed in the NFL, pinpoint accuracy within 15-20yds and enough of an arm to make throws that are farther, great descision-making skills, and experience with a less than stellar line, to name a few. not to mention there is no dealing with a transition from a spread offense and 3 yrs of mentoring from one of the better QB coaches in recent NFL history.
I dont like Notre Dame, but I also dont let it cloud my thinking and base opinions completely off that fact alone.
He is one of the most effective QB’s in the NCAA in the fourth quarter, particularly if his defense has put him in a hole, which happened very often. You’re just jealous he is gonna be better than Matt Ryan.
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 31, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Except for the Matt Ryan stuff.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 1, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
not even close man...
I can’t stand ND as much as anyone..but the reality is that they’re basically the only college FB team with a national audience.
Sure, they weren’t very good last year…but taht’s because ND had a crappy Running game, an average OL and their defense wasn’t very good either to say the least.
If Clausen played on say….USC, Clausen would never see the 4th quarter cuz they’d blow out so many teams.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 29, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
the crappy running game thing isn’t that accurate. They had over 1500 yards. IF you take away clausen’s rushing yards (which include sacks) they had 1634 yards and a 4.7 ypc average. Their running backs had very solid play. just because a team doesn’t have one great running back doesn’t mean they don’t have a good running game.
The rushing situation at ND is similar to that at OSU (without Pryor, a scrambling QB). Neither one has one dominant feature back, but both schools have 2 backs that work together well.
The 2 main Backs at ND combined for: 230 Carries, 1113 Yards, 4.8 ypc, 8 Tds
The 2 main backs for OSU (outside of pryor) had 298 Carries, 1339, 4.5 ypc, 11 TDs
OSU had a great running game; still very good outside of pryor. most people talk about how they have a good running game and a good 1-2 punch. however, ND supposedly is terrible…I just don’t see it.
the Running game argument that is always thrown around just doesn’t work…what kind of running game did Eli Manning Have? What about Bradford?
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What about Bradford????????
When Bradford was 100% in 2008 and threw for 4700 yards..his top 2 RB’s Demeco Murray and Chris Browns combined for 2220 yards!
That’s about Bradford
I dunno where you have to pull OSU out from..cuz they were good cuz Pryor can move like that…that’s an atrocious comparison. Its really not a similar situation at all
ND’s running game was pretty bad.
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 29, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
meh, wasn’t bad but wasn’t good.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t BAD. even a ND fan will say you are wrong. It wasn’t spectacular but you can’t use it as an excuse for his predicament.
the OSU thing was pretty relevant. people praise OSU’s running game, but if you add Pryor to ND, that running game is just about as good. Saine and Herron were good BEFORE. When Beanie Wells missed major time in ‘08, they combined for about 1070 yards, a 4.6 ypc, on 220 carries, and 12 TDs. that is pretty darn good for just backups thrust into the starting role…and they were a Freshman and Sophmore. Those would still be great RBs if Pryor wasn’t there…they just dominate defenses…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Thanks for the insight McShay.
Too bad you can’t quote any of his former teammates saying that he was a bad locker room guy.
Ignore the fact that Clausen’s junior year alone was better than all of JP Lossman’s college career.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 29, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You act like I'm the first to mention anything wrong with his attitude
It’s in this post for god’s sake. Like it or not, a poor attitude and possible alienation of his teammates is one of the knocks on his reputation. That’s what many scouts were saying after his interviews at the combine. He got into a fistfight at a restaurant the week before Stanford. Obviously he’s not saint.
Poor attitude? Possible alienation?
For a guy who likes to use the word “definitely” you aren’t very specific. Like a few others have said how about backing up your opinions with a little more than….some guys said….or I read somewhere…etc.
Just admit that you have some kind of hate on for ND in general and Clausen in particular. You’ll feel better afterwards.
Have you read any other comments on here
Why am I the one with a grudge when he’s been called Deuschy by 4 other people? You want specific people, Peter King reported about the combine interview citing scouts. The scouts are unnamed as always, hence I can’t name them.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/02/28/combine/4.html
McShay is reporting that at least 10 teams have concerns about his maturity. These are two of the more trusted football men, especially regarding the draft. Do you refute the existence of these reports? Do you say he didn’t get into a fight?
I’m sure you’ll now start complaining about McShay and King because everyone who doesn’t like Clausen must be completely stupid, right?
Just admit you have a hard on for Clausen. You’ll feel a lot better afterwards.
Damn you got me to sink to your level
This is why I try to avoid interacting with Notre Dame people
by BigRedDog42 on Mar 29, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I dislike ND as much as the next guy
But I’m not going to let that blind me when it comes to a player that can be good in the NFL/NBA.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 31, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
also, listening to Tod McShay is pretty much the biggest mistake you can make as someone who follows the draft. McShay isn’t only stupid about this, he is stupid about nearly everything.
by hellaninersfan on Apr 1, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Seriously.
I think he fried his brain on a tanning machine.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 1, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Peter King is a jackass
McShay has been hating on him for what seems like forever. Remember how McShay hated on Stafford last year too?
everyone who doesn’t like without a real reason Clausen must be completely stupid, right?
fixed.
I’m not saying that Clausen is going to be a great NFL QB. But I just hate it when people crap on a prospect they know nothing about for no apparent reason at all.
The same thing happened to Michael Oher last year.
“scouts” were saying they questioned his ability to learn an NFL playbook and went as far as to question his sanity.
These “scouts” aren’t always right. “Scouts” thought Ryan Leaf was better than Peyton Manning, “scouts” thought Jamarcus Russell was going to be a great QB, etc.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 31, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
McShay is awful
him and King are garbage, they are media figureheads and nothing more.
i.e. McShay recently ‘reported’ that the fact that Dez Bryant was the third child born to his mother before she was 18 and that she spent time in jail was a negative that teams would have concerns about…
Are You Kidding Me? thats ignorant and potentially racist. But yea… you should take everything he says as gold.
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by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 31, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Dez fired back though
McShay had no reason to be talking about his mom.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 1, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t a fistfight; he was suckerpunched smartass
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He got into a fistfight at a restaurant the week before Stanford.
So now we’re lying?
He was sucker punched in the face by an unruly fan while he was with his family at a restaurant.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 31, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Man there's some touchy reactions
My JP Losman comparison was more of a sense of entitlement without anything to really back it up; it’s much more damaging than cocky. I never really thought of JP as a cannon arm but if you say he was, than I stand corrected. Clausen had a lot of accuracy problems earlier in his career (4 picks while being shut out by BC his sophmore year spring to mind) but has improved. But I wouldn’t characterize him as extremely accurate either.
you are an idiot
Im sorry i have to repeat myself, but when ignorant people base their Opinions on nothing more than a few games they went to, while they were rooting against a player, and ignore stats and overall performance it bothers me.
so he had a shitty game against BC one time, was that perchance his freshman year when he was thrown to the wolves behind one of the worst olines of a top tier ncaa program in recent memory? how about the fact that he threw only 4 INTs his entire junior season, including a game at Pitt that I attended, where he threw two of them. thats 2 INTs in 11 games. Sounds inaccurate.
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-abayarde
by uPitt_BillsFan on Mar 31, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than being white he has nothing in common with losman
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 29, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So these comments pretty much seem to split between people who think Clausen is overhyped and ND fans
by BigRedDog42 on Mar 30, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No, me and naptime are the only nd fans
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually they have a few things in common
Other than being white.
Theyre about the same size, 6’2" 215 ish.
They both have questionable attitudes.
They both have decent mobility.
And I wouldn’t want either of them on my favorite NFL team. That’s more of an opinion I guess.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
by NMVike on Mar 30, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll make a fanpost about this
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Clausen is also comparable in size with Sanchez
Both are 6-1 (ish) both have good mobility, both played in a pro-style offense, both only had one great year of college production, and both have comparable arm strenght/accuracy.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 31, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Clausen is closer to 6’3
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 31, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he's just under 6-2
Not entirely sure though.
Either way he’s not short.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 1, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He measured 6'2.5" at the combine
Which was taller than I expected him to be.
He sets up with an extra wide stance and throws off his back foot, so the ball’s release point is as if he were 5’11".
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
If your QB is not confident and cocky, you have a loser on your hands.
QBs have been coddled and catered to since high school. The best of them embrace the responsibility of carrying the team and know that the fate of the team is mostly on their shoulders.
If you want the QB of your team to be someone you would like to have a beer with, instead of an intelligent, tough leader ……your team is screwed.
shush your mouth!!
I know one who won a bowl….
DWTDD
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 29, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I don’t think he’s mature enough to be a NFL QB. I’m getting Matt Leinart vibes here.
by TexansDC on Mar 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's been spotted in Nick's hot-tub?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 29, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Clausen
Clausen is 7.5 on my bust -o-meter scale and the similarities to Leinart are there. The sense of entitlement, the whispers about work ethic and leadership from teammates, and the lack of great NFL tools to work with.
Clausen is more of a West Coast QB (dink and dunk). His high percentage of completions at Notre Dame is due to the short passing game of Weis. Clausen will struggle with the NFL passing tree throwing the 20 yard out route (from the left hash to his right outside the numbers), the 18 to 20 yard dig (deep dig), deep comeback routes and nine (go) routes.
All the aformentioned routes must be thrown with great timing, anticipation, accuracy and velocity, if not the NFL DB gets a break on the football for the pick (NFL passing windows are much smaller than college windows). You have a limited passing game and offense with QB’s like Clausen that lack good arm strength at the NFL level. Clausen will also sense pressure in the pocket when there is no pressure (seeing ghosts). Can Clausen overcome his limitation in these areas to become a player worthy of being drafted as high as he‘s talk about being drafted? NO. I don’t see Clausen as a QB that can make stick throws into tight windows on third down with a game on the line in the NFL. Jimmy Clausen’s NFL comparisons Leinart or Trent Edwards.
Wow. Did you actually watch any of the games?
I think you have Clausen mixed up with Colt McCoy or Bradford. Yeah great, more whispers and gossip from former teammates who don’t have the guts to put there names to this crap.
Try watching junior tape, not sophomore
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 30, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Or you can do better
By telling me/us why my opinion is the wrong position to have on Clausen. NorthLeft12 didn’t Clausen arrive at Notre Dame in a stretch limo? Yes. Clausen’s leadership style has been called into question by many “pundits” for years and so my position is not a unique one.
SlimShady, can Clausen be a leader of men at the NFL level? Even if Clausen overcomes some of his physical limitationas a passer he still would come up short because he lacks the outstanding intangibles of say a Bradford or Tebow (it was very difficult to say that and I don’t think he’s an NFL QB period). Does Clausen posess the likability to have teammates want to rally around him and play their guts out for him? You already know what I think! If you hand the keys to the kingdom over to a guy that has as many questiion marks as Clausen and you draft him in the1st round…..well that would probably be a mistake. Just one man’s opinion.
Clausen’s leadership style has been called into question by many "pundits" for years
Too bad “pundits” have no say what happens in the draft.
I have yet to hear a former teammate call him out and question his leadership skills (even anonymously).
Bradford doesn’t have any outstanding intangibles.
BTW: He doesn’t have physical limitations.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 31, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
throwing the 20 yard out route (from the left hash to his right outside the numbers)
The hash marks are wider in college, more narrow in the pros, so technically he’ll have an easier time throwing that route in the pros.
I didn’t say anything about completing it versus pro corners, but….
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I guess you didn't get the humor, or it wasn't that funny
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Sometimes
I take things way too seriously. I get it now (delayed laughter). Thanks!
Clausen is more of a West Coast QB (dink and dunk).
Clearly you didn’t seem to pay too much attention to ND games last year.
Clausen had close to 9 YPA last season (not exactly dink-dunk, eh?)
Clausen will struggle with the NFL passing tree throwing the 20 yard out route (from the left hash to his right outside the numbers), the 18 to 20 yard dig (deep dig), deep comeback routes and nine (go) routes.
He threw those all year!
Mark Sanchez came from a WCO and has arm strength similar to Clausen’s and he can throw a 20 yard out quite effectively.
You have a limited passing game and offense with QB’s like Clausen that lack good arm strength at the NFL level.
Yeah, you just lost all credibility there.
Clausen’s arm is fairly strong. It’s clearly much stronger than Bradford’s. By your logic Bradford is going to be a worse QB than Clausen.
NFL. Jimmy Clausen’s NFL comparisonsLeinart orTrent Edwards.
FAIL.
Trent Edwards, really?
What does blind hatred feel like?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 31, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What does blind hatred feel like?
Welcome to the world of Tim Tebow fans.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
lol
Well I don’t mind Tebow.
But as a football fan I want him to be successful.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 1, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
fine line between confident and cocky
Manning/Brady don’t seem cocky, but rather confident. Cutler & Rivers seem confident AND cocky to me. Yes, I purposely chose two examples each for those who have and have not won super bowl games.
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by BroncoInExile on Mar 29, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well 60 % bust rate potential isn't saying much.
Bradford has a 40% chance to bust. I say that because every single #1 Qb has that as a bust factor. The second QB taken each year has a 50% chance to bust. TJ thinks Clausen has a 60% chance to bust. The exact same bust rate as all first round QBs not taken as the 1st or 2nd QB in the draft. The analysis is absolutely meaningless.
I still don’t understand the Clausen hating. Lately it has been because his toe ligament damage was repaired. Let me get this straight. Clausen plays all his senior year with torn ligaments in his toe. He puts up outstanding numbers and stats. Then he gets his toe repaired. For that he drops in the draft. Unbelievable. What? He’s not tough enough. You try and play football with torn ligaments in your toe. He’s to cocky? I guess everybody could be a shy Eli Manning type but then you get slammed for being passive.
He’s as good a QB from under center as their is and has been for awhile. Yes, he might bust. But so do 40% of every other QB that is taken as the 2nd QB in the draft.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
Well...
knock Eli Manning if you want, but he’s got a Super Bowl ring because he puts in the work.
Peyton, Brees, Brady…they put in the work and have rings. Your QB needs to be the hardest working individual on the team.
If you’re cocky and think you’re great…well, then you’re probably going to end up like Matt Leinart: partying, but sitting on the bench.
Or you could end up like Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, or Joe Flacco.
Every athlete has to believe in himself.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 29, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I never knocked Eli. I think he is a "franchise QB".
Some thought his attitude was to passive. If you remember most of NY wanted him out of town and traded half way through his super bowl season. I simply was pointing ou that Clausen being hounded because of his attitude seems just as silly.
I have read that Clausen is a hard worker and has the respect of his teammates. If so I think he looks to be a fine QB. He still has the normal bust factor of 50%, like all other 1st round QBs.
Winning is not everything but it sure feels like it sometimes
by lifelongvike on Mar 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched him play in high school
I hoped he’s matured since then as his cockiness was out of control. A general statement (probably the only I can post in a family friendly manner) made for Clausen in highschool was, “great player…but what a *&$k”
If he’s matured and made progress on a personal level he has a shot in the NFL. He’s a gym rat and football fanatic. I don’t question his skills, but I think his personality may bust him even factoring in the crapshoot of the team he lands on.
I had to rec chikmagnet_565’s comment above. The douchery of Rivers hasn’t limited his talented performance on the field and Rivers is full of it.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
True about Phillip Rivers
Though Roeslisthberger’s douchbagery is beginning to affect his career. Already has if you consider speeding on a motorcycle without a helmet as douchebaggery (which I do).
I guess you could take this as a confirmation of his dedication to and love of football. LOL
By gym rat do you mean that he works out a lot and studies film and wants to get better as a football player?
If so, what else do you want in a QB? That he is a nice guy?
he's dedicated to football
gym rat in that he keeps in shape and does all the things he’s supposed to do to be a better player. Weis’s system isn’t the easiest for a QB to learn even watered down for college players. If I just look at his freshman to senior year progress, he doesn’t make a huge progression without dedication to the game and progression of his ability.
I don’t need a “nice guy” at QB. I want leadership, a drive to win. Yet without the pretentiousness of thinking they’re God’s gift to football. Save the canon arm for Sportscenter highlights and the watercooler fans. The greatness of QBs like Elway and Montana weren’t the hitting the WR in small windows, but making the play when it needed to be made.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 30, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions
senior=junior... I must be drinking in my sleep again.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 30, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Right now I'm just looking at him as another overhyped QB from Notre Dame.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
by JoeCB1991 on Mar 29, 2010 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bust
He already has one of the best receiver cores in college sports, yet consistently makes the wrong passing decisions.
The team he gets drafted to will undoubtedly have worse receiving cast.
You do the math.
Floyd missed 5 games in 2009. Tate was unproven heading into 2009. Who are these great WRs you speak of?
68% comp. pct. and 4 INTs on the year don’t exactly accentuate
wrong passing decisions
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Mar 31, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you can see his horrible decision rates by his HUGE interception total of 4.
The team he gets drafted to will undoubtedly have worse receiving cast.
There is no way to prove that. Did someone tell you who would draft him?
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 31, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Really it's Maurice Stovall's prolific NFL career that backs this up
Sometimes, the QB makes the WR look better…
by CelticPride on Apr 18, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll admit he was very cocky
when he came into Notre Dame as a freshman but he has matured since then. He is still cocky but hell if u don’t have some cockiness about u in the NFL your doomed cause those vets will get in that ass. Then consider Notre Dame had very little talent. There defense was trash, OL sucked, and he had no running game and he put up numbers despite all of that crap. Then u throw in the fact that he did operate in a pro style offense and ran it well. He has big game experience and in his last season at QB he had 4 comeback victories.Without him they would have been a 2 win football team. Then u consider the beating this dude took on a consistant basis and he always got back up and toughed it out. I’m a Irish fan but i call it like i see it Notre Dame sucked like hell the whole time Jimmy was there and he still played on a high level. I don’t think its people don’t like him, it’s they don’t like Notre Dame. Whether he’ll be better then Bradford or McCoy I don’t know but I think he’s gonna be a excellent pro QB.
Beat Em To The Punch - Steve Walsh
Attitude be damned.
I can’t possibly see a reason why Jimmy Clausen is a worse QB prospect than Sam Bradford. If Clausen gets routinely lambasted, what is it about Bradford that has everybody convinced he’s the franchise QB of this draft? His ridiculously inflated numbers in a spread offense? His ability to pick apart one of the worst defensive conferences his nature? Or is it the fact that he looks like he had great pocket poise behind an offensive line that featured several NFL prospects?
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
worst defensive conferences in the nation.
"Mayhap a hidden door lurks nigh. Let us search the environs."
by Fearless Frog on Apr 7, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You da man Frog.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Apr 8, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
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