QB double standard? McCoy completes every pass, few care
by Dan Kadar on Mar 31, 2010 3:56 PM EDT
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PrintThere seemed to be quite the hubbub on Monday regarding Sam Bradford's showing at his pro day when he completed all but one pass.
Big 12 rival Colt McCoy did him one better by completing all of his passes during Texas' pro day today.
Throwing to Jordan Shipley, Quan Cosby, Nate Jones and Brian Carter, McCoy completed 58 of 58 passes. He stood by his combine workout numbers.
Every team except Detroit and St. Louis were in attendance. The Rams will hold a private workout with McCoy.
So following this performance, where is the talk for McCoy? Where are the Troy Aikman comparisons? Where are people saying this is the best pro day they've ever seen?
Apparently three inches and the ability to throw the ball maybe 10 yards shorter is that detrimental. Or maybe these things get overblown. Yeah, probably the latter.
Perhaps Bradford isn't quite the player everyone was raving about Monday. But, perhaps more likely, McCoy is a better player than the headlines would suggest.
In other tidbits from the Texas pro day, safety Earl Thomas reportedly looked great. He ran his second 40-yard dash in 4.37 seconds. According to one report, Sergio Kindle looked "awesome" in linebacker drills. Make sure to hit that last link for some good tidbits.
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LOL!
Of course there’s no buzz…cuz no one wants to admit they’re the same friggin player, save for about 3 inches an 15 lbs.
Same skillset (McCoy’s more athletic), same flash card Big 12 offense, same minuscule experience in a pro style offense, same arm strength, same accuracy.
If the Rams are so dead set on taking a project like Bradford..they’d probably be better off taking Suh and then waiting for McCoy in the 2nd.
If fact..please do!! I’d love to see Bradford go to the Redskins, so then the Giants, Eagles and Cowpokes can FEAST.
Get HWSNBN...and they will come
I take that back...
I hope the only games Bradford shows life are against the Pokes and Eggs.
Get HWSNBN...and they will come
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I like McCoy but you are giving bradford much to little credit. He played in somewhat of a pro style offense his freshman year. he has taken many more snaps under center than McCoy (though people say otherwise). Bradford is also more refined in his skills with Decision making and reading a defense. He also doesn’t stare down receivers or lock into one that often whereas McCoy does it too much.
However, there is a double standard. McCoy is a very good QB and just because he has a mediocre arm, people disregard him. Bradford does get more zip on the ball and can fit it into a little tighter of spots on throws, but is THIS a reason to ignore McCoy? Absolutely not.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
So, the link you provided says
T Adam Ulatoski (6-6, 302) ran 4.58 and 4.56 in the 40.
Either that’s a misprint, or DAMN that’s a fast tackle.
Yeah...
…Everson Griffen 4.60
Holy cow?
by Richard Hill on Mar 31, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw 5.53 for Ulatoski
Adam Ulatowski ran his forty in 5.53 seconds with a ten yard split of 1.78 seconds. He did not bench today.
Get HWSNBN...and they will come
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
McCoy
As a professed McCoy fan, I’ll admit that he and Bradford aren’t that different. I would like to see a chart on the passes thrown during his Pro Day. The biggest knock on McCoy will be his arm strength and ability to throw deep, so expect the Rams and Browns to push him hard in this area at his private workouts.
I don't disagree, but one thing about arm strength:
measuring by distance, the difference might be 10 yards. But the importance of arm strength is in hitting windows.
A lot more QBs in the NFL can easily make accurate throws everywhere on the field, in a vacuum. It only becomes a problem when the window is so short, when DBs can react so quickly.
Even if you can hit more windows than you can’t, it limits the playbook and changes what an offense can do in a lot of circumstances. And if it can’t keep up the facade that it can do more than the QB’s arm strength will let it do, defenses react and can hold distinct advantages in other parts of the game, including the running game.
Finally, arm strength is second only to health in staving off the decline of a career through age. If he’s only got just enough arm strength right now, but otherwise is a very good, efficient QB like Pennington, then losing just a little bit after turning 30 can close the book on the career.
Just things that a team needs to consider, and why a solid prospect with arm strength as the only hole can be kept from the 1st round.
by jacobstevens on Mar 31, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Im sorry but this QB class is horrid
The Broncos should draft McCoy I heard they need another overrated QB to throw the bubble screen.
IMO
+1
This one of the worst QB classes that I can remember. Even Bradford has some serious question marks about his game. Colt McCoy’s a 2nd round pick at the earliest.
If the Browns dont make a play for McCoy I will be shocked
He seems like the perfect career backup to start in Holgrens antiquated version of the west coast offense
IMO
Agreed
In the Holmgren version of the West Coast they don’t stretch the field. Love the antiquated line.
Don't really see it as worse then last year.
Clausen’s better then Stafford and Sanchez, at least his actual production say so. I think he gets unfairly compared to Brady Quinn…even tho there were obvious reasons that Quinn stunk in Cleveland (Mangini’s an idiot, they traded all his weapons away, and didn’t give him a chance to start.
Bradford I think is gonna bust cuz of that whole flash card offense thing…but I dunno about the worst class in years.
McCoy may be OK since he’s proabably not gonna be asked to start right away like Bradford..so he can learn.
Get HWSNBN...and they will come
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 31, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its easy to blame all of Quinns problems on Mangini. it is the easy path, but it isn’t truly the right one. do receivers make a QB throw it on target? No. I watched brady quinn play. I saw the games. He wasn’t pressured that much…because the browns have Joe Freakin’ Thomas. Brady Quinn still looked flustered. He would make bad throws and bad decisions EVEN when he wasn’t pressured. He would throw incompletions and force it into coverage when he had all the time in the world. He had some flashes like against the chargers and the Lions, but the other games, he looked completely lost. He even looked lost BEFORE they traded away Braylon…he never looked comfortable back there and that really isn’t something that you can put on mangini.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
by bross09 on Mar 31, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said, it is ALWAYS easy to blame it on the receivers. For how much I hate braylon, he runs decent routes though he can get lazy at times. the problem with quinn WASN’T dropped balls, it was that many of his incompletions were NOWHERE NEAR the receivers. how can you blame BE for that??
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I'm with you
Quinn in addition having no feel for the passing game, lacks accuracy.
Quinn absolutely destroyed the Chargers
So I shouldnt talk too much crap about him, but Im sure the fact Cleveland had nobodies playing WR didnt help the kid much. My problem with Quinn is the same problem I have with Merriman. They both are freakin deluded people who are entertainers working as football players.
IMO
I disagree about McCoy's skill relative to Bradford's
The difference in arm strength and height/weight is a huge deal. McCoy will have to carve out a career like Jeff Garcia’s (an exception to a rule) if he is to be successful, he is not going to have the traditional skills needed to excel as a starting quarterback. Honestly, I don’t think he’s got a great chance of being a starter. Small and weak arm strength is not a good combination, there’s a ton of those guys in college.
Just look at it this way, if Peyton Manning was 3 inches shorter, 25 pounds lighter, and only had mediocre arm strength would he still be the same player? Of course not. He’d probably still be pretty successful because of his amazing awareness, accuracy, and intangibles, but banking on any prospect developing those attributes to Peyton’s level is folly.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 31, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Peyton Manning would be Drew Brees if he was 3 inches shorter and 25lbs lighter
Get HWSNBN...and they will come
false. Peyton has a much better arm. Peyton is maybe even more accurate. Peyton is much better at calling audibles (no one is better than peyton at this). Peyton IMO is a better field general.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
its not really nitpicking. You are comparing 2 players that really aren’t comparable. brees is very good but peyton is on a whole other level as a QB.
like over on DBN, someone thought that Joe Haden would be the next Champ Bailey. Its not nitpicking to point out that bailey was more productive in college, won the bronko nagurski award for the nations best defensive player, and that Bailey’s physical skills are light years ahead of Haden’s.
When you make FALSE comparisons, you will be criticized. if you can’t take the criticism, don’t make statements like that…thats all I suggest.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Saying you nitpick is cuz this is too easy. This is an easy one to try and make yourself look smart..its obvious Peyton is better. You ain’t telling me anything I don’t know either.
This wasn’t meant to be an exact comparison..but obviously a nitpicker would see an opportunity as such.
Brees ain’t that far off Peyton..pretty sure he showed that as he matched him in that Super Bowl game they played a little while ago.
All I was saying is that if Peyton Manning was 3" shorter and 25lbs lighter..he’d be Drew Brees. Didn’t think I’d have to explain it…but I guess so.
YOU are the only one comparing players. I am not comparing anyone.
Only think I was saying is that if you chopped 3" off Peyton Manning and liposucked 25lbs from him…he’d be Drew Brees.
Indicating he’d still be a hell of a QB.
You took that farther then that, for whatever reason.
Get HWSNBN...and they will come
Peyton Manning would be Drew Brees if he was 3 inches shorter and 25lbs lighter
YOU are the only one comparing players. I am not comparing anyon
How is the first AND the second true. the first is DIRECTLY COMPARING two players. if it was a joke, then you should have said so from the start. if you were serious, than your second statement is false.
they are both very good QBs and brees is excellent but peyton is much better.
Only think I was saying is that if you chopped 3" off Peyton Manning and liposucked 25lbs from him…he’d be Drew Brees. Indicating he’d still be a hell of a QB.
you could have said THAT from the beginning. instead you made i DIRECT comparison. and you could have just said that a shorter peyton manning would still been great. you DO NOT indicate that. you indicate that you think brees is on the same level talentwise as manning and that he is just a bit shorter. that is not true at all.
I am only taking it far because you are becoming a moving target. you keep changing your stance to avoid being wrong…
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Maybe
I like how you conveniently left out the arm strength bit though.
by Brendan Scolari on Apr 3, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This was Lol funny
I enjoyed it (any football discussion is good to me).
There is a much bigger deal made about Bradford's workout
because no one had seen him throw for 9 months, he is and has been considered a top-5 possibility since the beginning of 2009, and Gil Brandt’s quote stirred the pot on Bradford’s workout. It really isn’t that big of a mystery. Also, I honestly don’t really understand that some people think McCoy and Bradford are nearly the same player. Bradford is taller, stronger, and has shown a much better ability to do basic QB tasks such as reading defenses and looking off safeties.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
The Gil Brandt qoute can't be underestimated
Bradford’s a superior prospect to McCoy and Stevie Wonder could see it. The hype surrounding some of these prospects is surreal. It’s it interesting to watch and see who gets the good press and doesn’t. A lot money is made and lost on hype.
ah HA!
Its clear to me now. Your a Colt McCoy fan. I get it now.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
I was only semi-serious
It comes off as you liking McCoy, but I wasnt really upset or anything.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
Mccoy did have his recievers that have great rapport with him
eff you we winning anyway
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Pro Day
All quarterbacks do at their Pro Day. It is a common practice to throw to receivers you are comfortable with.
by newerascouting on Apr 1, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradfords shoulder was just repaired while McCoys injury wasn't as serious.
It isn’t surprising that more people were talking about Bradford because they had to see if he could still throw like he used to.
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