2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft: Pick 50
by Dan Kadar on Apr 10, 2010 9:00 PM EDT
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PrintThe second round of the 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft rolls along. We're having each SB Nation blogger make selections for their respective teams. Chris Thorman, lead blogger at SB Nation's Kansas City blog, Arrowhead Pride, checks in to make the No. 50 overall selection in this year's mock. Take it away, sir!
With the No. 50 overall pick in the 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs have selected Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale
Chris Thorman says: The Kansas City Chiefs went defense with their first two picks - ILB Rolando McClain and S Nate Allen - and they really need to address the right tackle position as soon as possible. Jared Veldheer is a 6'8" D-II tackle that has a Scott Pioli draft buzz word written all over him - upside.
The Chiefs' need at right tackle isn't completely desperate. But they do only have two average players at the position now, 2006 fifth round pick Ryan O'Callaghan and 2008 sixth round pick Barry Richardson. Left tackle is taken care of with Branden Albert and the off-season signing of G Ryan Lilja fills that hole.
Neither one of the Chiefs' current right tackles is very good so the Chiefs will upgrade an average to below average offensive line with Hillsdale. Those two players mentioned before can fill in as stop gaps until Veldheer comes around, which he almost inevitably will.
Scott Pioli and Todd Haley don't care about name recognition or where a player went to school. They only care about the "right 53" and Veldheer fits that mold.
Mocking Dan reacts: Teams picking late in the second round face a real quandary. A lot of them need an offensive tackle, but the dropoff at this point is huge. If the Chiefs did go tackle with this pick, Rodger Saffold might be a little better choice as he can start sooner. But Veldheer is a huge upside selection, so it's hard to dislike it too much. Veldheer has the potential to be to Kansas City what Sebastian Vollmer was to New England last year.
Mocking the Draft's Top 5 remaining prospects: 1 - Rob Gronkowski/TE/Arizona, 2 - Brandon Spikes/LB/Florida, 3 - Chad Jones, S, LSU, 4 - Aaron Hernandez, TE, Florida, 5 - Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
Sound off, SB Nation! What say you of Kansas City's selection of Veldheer? Please be sure to check out Arrowhead Pride for all of your Chiefs needs.
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Makes sense...the Chiefs want to do everything like the Patriots...
Veldheer measures out exactly like Vollmer too….
Maybe the Cheifs can go 18-0 one year and they get beat by the Giants in the Super Bowl one year too?
Penetrating and Devastating!
i would be fine with that :-)
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 11, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chiefs want to do everything like the Patriots…
…see also, win.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
as long as they get beat by the Giants in the SB...
I don’t really care what the Chiefs do
Penetrating and Devastating!
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 11, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Reasoning for Saffold
In my opinion they need a OT that can start right away. I think Saffold can do that and Veldheer is a project who may not be able to start until his second or third year.
We don't need any OT that can start right away.
We have solid/good Tackles with O’Call and Albert. We just need depth and backup. Veldheer in this situation is the better pick and long-term better player. Veldheer will sit under Albert/O’Call, learn from Waters and take over RT spot in 2 years or so.
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True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
Well
Most mocks have them taking an OT in the fist round and that player would most likely start right away. But I guess you are right, O’Callaghan could be a starter for a couple of years until Veldheer is ready.
That's my thinking.
We either take one here or at 3a. But either way they for now would be depth and with likes of Veld could start in 1-3 yrs
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
I'm thinking that Kansas City has a bigger need than a tackle project...
…and with better players on the board, they may have been better off going in a different direction.
They have huge issues at OT
I troll around on the KC when Im at work, and the majority of their fans seem completely unaware of their teams needs. What they dont seem to understand is position value, they have needs everywhere. This mock is a perfect example selecting Rondo then Allen.
They have issues at left tackle, even if they dont think they do. Pro haps even worse KC finished second to last in sacks, and they havent taken a pass rusher yet.
IMO
what makes you more aware of KC team needs than Chiefs fans?
Position value is BS.
Pass rush is a team need, of course.
NT is the biggest need, followed by safety.
OL has ALREADY been addressed, KC will be sporting a line that consists of
- a 1st rd LT in Albert (who had a great 2nd half after dropping 40lbs and switching to zone blocking right before the season.)
- a pro bowl LG in Waters
- a solid veteran zb former pro bowl center in weigmann
- a solid G in Lilja that has beeb protecting Manning for 6yrs
- and OCallaghan at RT, who played pretty good last yr
The 2010 OL is 60% of the group that blocked for an 1100yd runner and allowed only 10 sacks in the 2nd half of the season… and 40% solid veteran FAs.
The Chiefs do need depth at OT, and a possible upgrade at RT… drafting a tackle in the late 2nd fits the bill perfectly. I would also grab a center in the 3rd or 4th…IF the #1 need (NT) has been addressed
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 11, 2010 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Positional value isnt BS, it is a real fact backed up by the best evidence of all
Something called money. Look up the average salaries for positions like edge rusher, corner, QB, and LT; and then come back here and tell me again that position value is BS please
IMO
After the top 15 picks
Money really doesn’t matter in the draft.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 11, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Im talking about the most highly sought after positions, and using money to make my point about the overall value of a position.
And you refute with a statement like “money really doesn’t matter in the draft”. What the heck is that suppose to mean?
The Chiefs have a huge need for a premium position, and that position is edge rusher. If you want to debate this please do, but save me the general statement without substance
IMO
his statement was in response to your money comment
I call positional value bs, because its something the media and fans worry a lot more about than teams, imo…
the top 15 picks is where the money is the biggest factor, after that… best player at a position of need
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 11, 2010 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
...Somebody doesn't understand syllogism.
And you refute with a statement like "money really doesn’t matter in the draft". What the heck is that suppose to mean?
Foilhat, clearly, Joel was addressing the minor premise of your original logical argument. To use salary at the bottom of the 2nd round as a measure of positional value is logical fallacy; Because, as Joe points out:
After the top 15 picks Money really doesn’t matter in the draft.
This should suffice, but I will spell it out if you need me to.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
I dont remember using salary at "the bottom of round two as a measure of position value"
That would appear to me a ugly straw man, Joel pulled out of his behind.
I was simply using salary to show the worth of the pass rushing position. It would seem that this conclusion is so simple, that in order to rationalize picking a safety, ILB, and project OT; Joel and then you needed exaggerate this position.
It really makes no difference how a team acquires a player at an elite position like edge rusher. They could be drafted in any round, go undrafted, come as FAs, or be traded for. But the simple economic fact is this position is paid more because its valued more. To speak plainly its important to have players who can get to the QBs.
The Chiefs dont have a pass rush at all, and as a result they need OLBs that are good. Now see if you can comprehend this. The Chiefs need to prioritize the position early, not because early picks cost more money and the league spends more on a passrushers relative to a ILB. But because they lack a pass rush.
See you have been conditioned to argue against the Berry pick. Someone has told you that the Chiefs shouldnt draft Berry because he would be making too much money as a safety. And so you take the safety in the second, and say “after the top 15 picks Money really doesn’t matter in the draft.”
ROFL
(There is goes right over your head)
KC needs a passrusher, and they shouldnt pass up good value at that elite position; to draft a safety and a project OT.
IMO
well...
There isn’t a good “value” OLB at the #5 pick… berry IS the BPA at a PON
I could see taking an OLB on the 2nd, but most likely it’ll be a later round guy.
KC’s mgmt think that Vrabel can still play, and KC has a couple developmental guys behind him and Hali (who is a STUD, by the way)
Pass rush isn’t just generated from OLBs… it comes from a DL that commands doubleteams… getting a great NT is the most important step… hali, vrabel, DJ… pretty much Any LB can get to the QB if the front 3 do their jobs
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 11, 2010 7:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You lost me at BPA at a PON
Best player available at position of need. Is that a cool way of saying drafting for need, and overall sexiness?
Or does that differ from the strategy of BPA at a position non need position, or not the best player available but at a need position?
IMO
are you trying to be funny?
It’s a pretty straightforward idea… look at the top players on the board, who could KC use?
they don’t need a 3-4 dt or qb… people who watch the chiefs know that LT isn’t a need… but safety is a huge need. Safety play was pretty bad last year, and one full time starter wasn’t signed, anf no FAs have been brought in.
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 12, 2010 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pass rush is more than a need
Its perhaps the biggest need. Unless you want to defend finishing second to last in sacks, and then go on to tell me that Vrabel is actually good?
IMO
So why wouldn't they go with the better player in a different position?
That’s what we’re saying. There are better players available who play different positions- including defensive line and pass rush. Why wouldn’t they go with that? The increase in performance from an O’Callaghan to a Veldheer is much less (if at all existent) than an increase in expected performance with a Koa Misi instead of Vrabel, a Brandon Spikes instead of Corey Mays, a Brandon LaFell over most of their receivers, or a Gronkowski over all of their tight ends.
Veldheer is a project player. They have other needs. There are other players who are more NFL ready and can have a greater impact much sooner. That’s why we’re arguing they should have gone in a different direction.
by Richard Hill on Apr 11, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i think most KC fans would be fine w an OLB here
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 11, 2010 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Most KC fans should demand an OLB in the second
Going from last in sacks to second to last in sacks, isn’t going to get the Chiefs to .500 anytime soon.
IMO
Stag its a pointless argument that i've had with him multiple times.
He thinks we should reach for OLB in the 1st much like the Chargers reached for Larry English.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 11, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You phrase your response to my statement...
…in a tone of disagreement. I read:
“They have issues at left tackle, even if they dont think they do.”
As a way of you defending their selection of a tackle. Yes, we are arguing the same point. I misinterpreted your statement.
by Richard Hill on Apr 11, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Lilja
Is more than likely not going to play RG at 290 pounds, that could make him the smallest RG in the league I bet.
IMO
Than what will he play currently? LG is Waters LT is Albert C is Wieg/Nis RT is O'Call RG is his.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
I would guess he would play LG
Considering his size, and I think that was the position he play with the Colts
IMO
Waters could move to RG
He is a plus run blocker that is a big guy. That is more of a fit at RG.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 11, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you seem to be harping on the whole "290lbs" thing
if he can block, does it matter? some 3-4 defensive ends go as low as 250. besides, he’s already proven himself with the colts.
It was a question
He played LG for the Colts. I was just wondering if you thought he would play RG at 290, and if any other RGs were that small.
PS Could you actually name one 34 DE thats 250 because I cant.
IMO
Because he clearly wasn't fit to play guard...
…while being one of the most consistent blockers for Peyton Manning.
by Richard Hill on Apr 11, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Weight isn't everything...
…especially when the player has years of top notch performance to defend his playing capability.
by Richard Hill on Apr 11, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He played LG with the Colts
I was just wondering if you thought he would play RG at 290, and if any other RGs were that small. If you dont know, or dont care to answer then just say so.
I honestly have no clue if there is a single RG playing in the NFL in any scheme that weighs 290. If I had to guess I would probably guess that the lightest Gs in the nfl are 290, and that they all play LG.
IMO
Lilja can still add 5 or so lbs to his frame...
…and here’s a list of 300ish RGs:
Harvey Dahl – Atlanta (299)
Stephen Neal – New England (305)
Chris Chester – Baltimore (305)
Kyle DeVan – Indianapolis (300)
Chris Kuper – Denver (302)
Roberto Garza – Chicago (296)
Cooper Carlisle – Oakland (295)
Jake Scott – Tennessee (280)
Donald Thomas – Miami (303)
So while the “ideal” weight is closer to 320, it’s not a foreign concept to have a right guard in the 290-300 region, as long as they do their job well.
by Richard Hill on Apr 12, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions
and, to answer the question
So far, it seems he IS penciled in at RG, but it’s possible they will move Waters over and put Lilja at LG… probably won’t know until camp
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 12, 2010 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed Stags
100% agree with what you just said. It all makes sense. One thing I know I like is Lilja he protected the great Peyton Manning for 6 years. We know he did it well because if he wasn’t protecting the great Manning well he would have been gone.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
If they have issues at LT...
…why would they grab the project player? Wouldn’t it be better for them to select the more sure player? They’ve already invested much of the free agency period in gaining veteran players on the O-Line. Why? Most likely to allow them to go in a different direction in the draft.
Yeah they have a need at O-Line- they’re the Chiefs. They have many needs. It may have been better to fill a different need with a better player.
by Richard Hill on Apr 11, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
the interior of the line is a bigger issue than the bookends. you go from albert and o’call to richardson, who isn’t terrible.
yeah, casey weigman or however his name is spelled is a decent center, but he’s old and we need someone to replace him soon. that’s where the biggest issue on the OL is. Not Tackle.
I dont think he was talking about the interior OL
I would guess he’s saying the team addressed the OL with vets, as a stop gap; possibly to draft other positions. For example……………. a pass rusher.
IMO
Well at 5 overall yes
There’s not really any pass rushers their, and of course no interior linemen. And the Chiefs have enough bust Dlinemen so yes that was my suggestion.
IMO
isnt Benn a WR?
says in BPA that hes a CB
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Apr 11, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions
I like Veldheer but not in the second
But I would prefer another player, such as Misi or Benn. Don’t know who’s left so can’t name other prospects.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Apr 11, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
What a horrible draft this is shaping up to be
McClain is in no way, shape, or fashion deserving of the 5th spot in the draft. Drafting him at 5 for a player with such little impact on the defense is dreadful. Allen would be a good choice, Veldheer decent. But these drafts are most immediately judged by the first choice, and McClain is a horrible selection (he’s also not worth paying more than virtually every other ILB in the NFL).
mcclain has EVERYTHING you'd want in a 3-4lb
He will be a great pro, and WILL have an impact
I wouldn’t be upset if they took him, but I would still hope for berry
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 11, 2010 9:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
While I agree with you in that McClain should not go five, you cant say the guy will make little impact. He only was the leader of Alabamas national championship team.
The problem is McClain plays ILB
The Chiefs cant block anyone or rush the passer. ILB at 5 is a luxury pick, that a team with holes everywhere cant afford to make
IMO
this is the argument i hate
“Luxury pick” is BS
Take the best player that fits A need…
ILB and S are needs.
LT isn’t… RT and backup OT might be, but can be addressed in the 2nd or later
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 12, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and the "holes everywhere" is dumb too
You can’t “fill all hole” with a first pick… that argument assumes that other positions can’t be addressed with the 7 other picks in the draft.
In the end, if S, ILB, OLB, NT and OT are the needs, no one will care in what order you draft them, only that good players that fit the system are acquired
* KC now has the best coaching staff in the league
* 9-7 is a real possibility in 2010 IF the Chiefs get 4 new starters
* KC will NOT draft a LT in the first round, and the draft WILL be heavy on defense
by stagdsp on Apr 12, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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