An inside look at the Dallas Cowboys' draft board
by Dan Kadar on Apr 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT
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PrintThis has been making the rounds thanks to the fine folks at SB Nation's Blogging the Boys. They took the below image and blew it up (which is after the jump).
What you're looking at is the Cowboys' big board from this year's draft. The BTB crew dissected this thing like it's the Zapruder Film, so make sure to check out their post for a lot more. I don't want to steal the whole thing. Here were a few things that struck me, though:
- Dallas had linebacker Sean Lee rated as the 14th best player in the draft. The team traded up to the 55th pick overall to take him.
- Controversial top 10 pick Tyson Alualu was rated by Dallas as the 22nd best player in the draft.
- Gerald McCoy is rated ahead of Ndamukong Suh.
- Several offensive linemen are rated low, which explains why Dallas didn't take one until the sixth round.
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Hmm
Boys probably had Alualu as a 3-4 DE, so that probably dropped him some.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 28, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
Or raised him since they run a 3-4 and he played in a 3-4.
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I think this validates the feeling that Alualu was rated as 1st round talent.
If the Boys had him here, then where did Miami and Denver have him?
Nobody really knows outside of the teams themselves, and anyone who suggest otherwise is a Kiper wanna be.
I mean C’mon! Kiper said Ryan Leaf was better than Peyton Manning!
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I like how that argument only goes one way. Why wouldn’t Dallas, Miami and Denver have him rated in the first round? He was one of the best “pure” 3-4 ends in the draft. They run the 3-4. Seems to make sense to me.
And I’m not implying that I know what teams are thinking. But it’s my job as the person who runs a draft blog to give my opinion on what players are good and bad and where they fit. This isn’t just some team blog that can get by just regurgitating the news. This blog is based on making an opinion and being confident in that opinion. If you, or anyone else that wants to complain, can’t understand that, then this isn’t the site for you.
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Don't want to offend you, Dan.
I, for one, respect your opinion. I know many Jags fans do, and that is what it is, an opinion. You believe he was a good 3-4 DE prospect worthy of a late 1st, early 2nd round pick. For those Jags fans out there who think, as I do, that Alualu was indeed worth the #10 pick as a DT; calm down. If someone insults our team it is one thing. If someone gives their opinion it is another.
I’m sure that if Alualu is extremely successful, Dan will be one of the first to give props to Gene Smith and the Jaguar’s scouting department.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are we debating if he is a 1st round talent anyway??
I for one, as many do, think he was a first round talent the issue was with where in the 1st he was taken. People thought it was a bit of a reach. No matter how well he does wouldn’t change it it is a matter of opinion and all teams have there opinions that we don’t know or have any idea how they are thinking.
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by TheAngelsColts on Apr 28, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Alualu played in a 3-4 at Cal
he was considered one of the prime 3-4 ends. And a 3-4 team still only had him at 22. For a 4-3 team to take him at 10 is a huge reach, and it is patently absurd to try to defend the move. I don’t know what universe you are living in, but no one thought of Alualu as a top 10 talent. No one.
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by quincyyyyy on Apr 28, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well since he wont
I’ll give the #1 thing that’s wrong with your post. He’s the same size as Gerald McCoy. He’s the perfect size for an undertackle.
Also, he played in a 4-3 at Cal for the first 3 years there before they switched to a 3-4 his senior year. He had 6 sacks his junior year and 7 sacks his senior year.
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He is not the same size as McCoy
McCoy is taller with longer arms and bigger hands. They have completely different body types.
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Gerald McCoy – 4-3 DT
6’4, 295
33.75" arms
10.25" hands
Tyson Alualu – You tell me
6’3 295
33" arms
10" hands
Brian Price – 4-3 DT
6’1 303
32.25" arms
9.5" hands
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LOL!
I love how you round up when it suits your stats. Not only do you round but you defy the laws of mathematics and round up with numbers under 5.
McCoy’s height is 6’4 1/8, and Alualu’s is 6’2 3/8. That is a significant height difference. 0.75’’ on arms is also considered significantly different by most scouts. Furthermore McCoy looks more muscular. Completely different body types.
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Just so you know, NFL.com has him listed at 6'3.
It isn’t Adam who rounded up, it was them. Seriously?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/tyson-alualu?id=496760#tabs:tab-watch
They also have McCoy at 6’4"
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/profiles/gerald-mccoy?id=496816
So… yeah. don’t call someone for rounding up or changing stats when they list them how they are listed on NFL.com (and Wikipedia). In fact… where did you get your stats? Seriously, I want to know what site records to the 8th of an inch.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well NFL.com's listing is accurate
the combine weigh in is about as accurate as you are going to get.
and here is where I got it:
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/Results.php
You can go to any draft site that list the combine weigh stats. It is not that hard. lol
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Why does anyone care about size?
Size does not directly equate to talent. Whether they are or are not the same size has nothing to do with their skill.
You guys are arguing for the sake of arguing. Maybe you should run for Congress.
Agreed
My point was that his body type was closer to that of a 4-3 DT. I feel that I illustrated that with the combine stats and regardless if I used an inaccurate comparison to McCoy (although I feel that it was accurate) it was not the point.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 29, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Well in the real world size does matter
your girlfriend may tell you differently, but scouts care a lot about size. a 290lb DT can’t play NT. a 5’8 CB will have trouble against bigger receivers. Just a fact of life. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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uhhh
Size isn’t as important as strength. Plenty of 4-3 teams start sub 300 pound guys with freakish strength as a 1 technique. Here’s a hint: universal declarations are usually false. And that’s ALWAYS true :).
by TheAreopagite on Apr 30, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what I love?
How you argue with the points that seem beatable, but completely ignore and pass over the parts of my arguments that you have no response for.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 29, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Would these happen to be the same "NFL GM's and scouts"
That told him to put Jimmy Clausen at 13th? The Jaguars said that they hid their interest for Alualu because they were scared a team would trade up.
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They didn't hide their interest in Revis a few years ago...
… and the Jets did just that.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
QB's are different
bad position to compare. Teams only draft QB’s in the first round if they have a need there.
So you believe everything your team tells the public. god you wouldn’t make it as a cowboys fan if you believed everything that came out of Jerry’s mouth. I’m sure they are trying to justify their poor decision.
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cuz Jerry Jones doesn't have Alualu as a top 10 pick, he's not?
maybe according the the Cowboys board..its a bad pick.
But the world doesn’t revolve around Jerruh, contrary to his belief. The Jags had him where he was.
You honestly gonna try and ridicule anyone else’s board……yet Jones has Sean Lee aka Mr. Glass, as a top 15 pick?
You’re kidding right?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 28, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
and what happened to the Cowboys no way, no how
drafting a ILB? Cuz they did.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 28, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd also like to note that just because the player is successful
that does not mean he wasn’t a reach
consider that tom brady is definitely worth a 1st overall pick in retrospect… but anyone that drafted him in the first 3 rounds would be called ridiculous for getting him so high and rightfully so…. the man was not worth a 1st overall then and his future success does not change that…
Agreed
It’s about getting the best value for your pick. But you don’t know where Alualu’s stock was and neither do I. None of us do. The Broncos could’ve taken him at 11. The Dolphins could’ve taken him at 12. We’ll never know what his draft stock actually was.
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Also I find it funny that you guys decide to come over to this thread
Were you tired of me running circles around your logic in my fanpost? I’ll do it here if it’s more convenient for you.
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Hahahahaha
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by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean your logic that McCoy and Alualu are the same size
eventhough they have completely different body types?
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You can say that Alualu is a little smaller
But different body types is just wrong. It’s the exact same body type.
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Same body type.
How is the body type that much different? Jeesh.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The fanpost I wrote
…You know the one you commented on 5 times.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 29, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
oh lol
i thought SoCal wrote that… I would’ve responded, but no one continued answering my posts
what you’ve said here is the same thing anyways and will continue receiving the same replies, whether you believe they fully addressed your responses or not
well actually we do
The Cowboys had him rated in the 20’s and Rick Gosselin who builds his draft board based solely on discussions with NFL GM’s and scouts had him rated as the 31 best player. So in all likelihood it was a reach.
I think Alualu is going to be a good player in this league for a long time, and honestly I think he is one of the more safer picks in the draft, which may be why Jacksonville drafted him. Because their scouts what a good starter who won’t make them look stupid. That aside, it was a reach. There are no two ways around it. There were more talented players on the board and they took Alualu.
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Are these the same NFL GM's and scouts
that told him to put Clausen at 13th overall?
The Jaguars said that they hid all interest for Alualu because they were scared a team would trade up for him.
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We are talking about QB's right?
that is not exactly the best position to make that sort of point. QB’s fall all the time in the first round. teams only pick QB’s if they have a need at that area. Try again.
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QB's or not
This Dallas board just goes to show you how different the boards are from the “consensus” boards that we see and from Rick Gosselin’s board.
And as for the QB argument, didn’t Clausen get passed on by the Broncos, Vikings, Browns, Bills and Raiders in the 25-40 pick range? According to Gosselin’s board, he should’ve been gone.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 29, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Clausen supposedly would have to go to a team from the South
because of his small hands. Again don’t compare QB’s to other positions.
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Teams also worried about if he had the intangibles to play the QB position
intangibles are not that big of a concern with most other positions. In terms of pure talent Clausen is a first rounder.
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yep. Daniel Jeremiah has a great podcast where he talks a lot about what scouts look for. with QB, there are the most position specific evaluations than any other position. the others, Height, Weight, Speed, athletic ability cover about 50% of the evaluation (even with lineman, but not athletic ability compared to a DB obviously) whereas position specifics are the rest. Most of QB is position specific evaluation and a lot of that are intangibles and things that can’t me measured by stats
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JPP…the Giants have Kiwanuka, Osi, and Tuck…but they still took a DE b/c of BPA and depth (b/c they had major injuries there). was CB the biggest need for the pats? maybe not…but they took the BPA.
Teams take QBs only when needed…that is why clausen fell so far.
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This is call cognitive disonance
You are a Jacksonville fan and you are probably trying to convince yourself that your team’s top pick is not a reach so you can have something to be excited about. But it is pretty clear it was a reach, although you won’t let yourself accept that because of your obvious bias.
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You got it
All I want is for someone to tell me a reason. Just one reason why he should’ve been drafted later.
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does not have great size or is super explosive
overachiever who makes the most out of what he has but his ceiling is not super high.
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He isn't super explosive? Not great size?
What are you talking about? Any DT prospect that someone would put in the first round has to have great size. Alualu has great size. About .5 of and inch shorter than I’d like in a DT, but that doesn’t make his size “not great”. Seriously?
And not super explosive? He’s a 300 lb DT! Seriously? Hahahaha.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What decade do you live in?
300 lbs. is not considered huge by today’s standards, far from it. Second of all he is 295 lbs. And it is not a physically imposing 295. Here is what Scott Wright had to say about his weigh in at the Senior Bowl
Average body, must hit the gym.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php
HA!
And Alualu makes plays because he has a great motor and violent hands. he doesn’t get past lineman with his explosiveness.
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Obviously we are in different books.
I believe that right around 300 is a great size for a DT. And I rounded up. I’m sorry, but I was laughing at your saying he had a bad size. I rounded up 5 lbs, which is not a stretch when someone is using a sentence as an exaggeration. I apologize if I wasn’t a blatant with my sarcasm as I meant to be. I’ll keep in mind, for the future, that you don’t catch those things.
As it pertains to size, what I look for changes depending on what kind of DT I want. Do I was more ot a nose tackle, like Dan Williams, or do I want a lighter, faster, penetrating DT? If I want the latter, guys like McCoy and Alualu fit the mold almost perfectly.
Personally, I prefer tall guys like John Henderson and Marcus Stroud (6’7"/6’6", respectively). But to say that Alualu lacks great size is to be close minded to the type of player the Jaguars expect him to be. I doubt they expect him to take on two blocks, but rather want him one on one, and expect him to beat his man with his moves.
Also, when you say “explosive,” I assume we are talking power, as that is what I view as explosion for a DT.
From his scouting report on NFL.com
Alualu shows deceptive power for his size that can push the pocket as a pass rusher as well as penetrate the line of scrimmage as a run defender.
I’ll note, too, that they agree that his lacks “ideal” bulk to be an interior lineman, but there again I’ll say he has about the same size as McCoy (about), and few question McCoy, so I don’t feel we should question Alualu’s size or bulk.
Hey, we all have our opinions of what we want at different positions, though, huh?
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
having great size also has a lot to do with body type
McCoy has a much better physique than Alualu. Don’t just look at their weigh. Not all 300 lbs is created equal.
And we all are entitled to our own opinions. But we are all not entitled to our own facts. McCoy’s and Alualu’s physiques are completely different
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yep. Look at Maurkice Pouncey and JD Walton from this draft as an example. Pouncey is the better player and is slightly heavier and taller, but Walton is much more of a wider body when you see him…and when you look at the H/W numbers, they are fairly even.
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There was a large contingent of fans at the Lions SB Site who were constantly ragging on McCoy because he was undersized.
They were driving me nuts. But there is no doubt that McCoy can probably easily put on some more weight without losing his quickness and explosiveness. I guess it depends on what you want from your DTs.
You are obviously in denial that your team made one of the biggest reaches of the draft
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And if we had picked Clausen, you would have said it wasn't a reach, right?
Even though, as it turns out, no team thought he was worth a first or even high second round pick? Please. I’m happy with the pick, extremely happy.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no it wouldn't be a reach
And Panther’s had no intention of taking a QB, but Clausen presented excellent value so they took him.
Anyhow QB’s drop all the time because no one will draft a QB in the first round if they don’t need one. Comparing a QB to a DT in terms of draft status is absurd. The standards for selecting the two positions are completely different.
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Yes it would have been a reach
He would’ve been available later.
That doesn’t mean that we would be saying it was a reach. In fact as a Jaguar fan, I would’ve been stoked. We wouldn’t know that it was a reach. But knowing what we know now, I don’t see how you can actually say it wouldn’t have been a reach.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 29, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
he also forgets to mention that the panthers were considered to have gotten a great value for clausen…
and its not just this pick really, the issues is the whole draft. many analysts consider TJ ward a bit of a reach for the browns (in a similar way that alualu was but slightly smaller of a reach) but they got great values in later rounds with colt, Carlton Mitchell, and Clifton Geathers.
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Well I appreciate it
You’re honestly the first person to give me a football reason, so thank you.
I’m going to disagree, but I’m still genuinely appreciative. When a 295 lb. DT puts up a 35.5" vertical that’s usually an indicator of high explosiveness.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 29, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No prob
And so he did well in the underwear Olympics. That doesn’t necessarily translate to the football field.
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It’s about getting the best value for your pick
and when you make a possible reach for a DT in the first round, it is very unlikely that you will get the best value for your pick…it is hard to get good value for your pick when you are drafting a DT, unless you get a possible sure thing (like suh or McCoy)
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I don’t think dan is personally insulting the jags pick either. I don’t hate the pick but I think there might have been other players (price for instance) that fit a 4-3 better.
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Ok I'm going to summarize the Alualu debate in this thread
Correct me if I’m wrong at any point in time:
It started with the argument that Alualu was a better prospect for a 3-4 defense:
“he was considered one of the prime 3-4 ends” + “Alualu played in a 3-4 at Cal” – quincyyyyy
“He was one of the best "pure" 3-4 ends in the draft.” – MockingDan
I retorted by saying:
“He’s the same size as Gerald McCoy. He’s the perfect size for an undertackle.”
“he played in a 4-3 at Cal for the first 3 years there before they switched to a 3-4 his senior year.”
The response to that was to ignore the fact that he played in a 4-3 for 3 years and instead try to refute my comparison to Gerald McCoy:
“McCoy is taller with longer arms and bigger hands. They have completely different body types.” – quincyyyyy
(bross09 later jumped on the dog pile of this dead topic by repeating himself 4 times)
That debate continued for a while with a comparison of Brian Price, Gerald McCoy and Tyson Alualu, of which the Price part was ignored. After arguing the validity of my stats, ct17 eventually pointed out that:
“Size does not directly equate to talent. Whether they are or are not the same size has nothing to do with their skill.”
To which my response was:
“My point was that his body type was closer to that of a 4-3 DT.”
That point was also ignored.
Somehow a different tangent was brought up in which Rick Gosselin’s board was used to illustrate why Alualu was a reach:
My response: “Are these the same NFL GM’s and scouts that told him to put Clausen at 13th overall?”
That response from me brought on an argument about the value of QBs compared to other positions in which I eventually replied with:
“QB’s or not this Dallas board just goes to show you how different the boards are from the "consensus" boards that we see and from Rick Gosselin’s board. And as for the QB argument, didn’t Clausen get passed on by the Broncos, Vikings, Browns, Bills and Raiders in the 25-40 pick range? According to Gosselin’s board, he should’ve been gone.”
The main point that the consensus boards were way different than the actually draft boards was ignored and the debate of the QB position continued for some reason.
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So, summarizing your arguments, I’ve gleaned the following:
1. Tyson Alualu is a better player than Gerald McCoy.
2. You wouldn’t have criticized this pick one iota if Miami took him at 12.
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1. Tyson Alualu is comparable to Gerald McCoy and should’ve been considered to have a similar draft stock as McCoy.
2. I’d like to say that I wouldn’t have, but I may have. I honestly don’t know. This particular draft pick this year opened my eyes to the misnomers of “reaches,” “steals” and “value.” Perhaps him going to Miami would’ve had the same effect on me, but him going to Jacksonville definitely made me look a lot closer and evaluate. I’m inclined to think that if a Dolphin fan made similar appeals to rational thinking that I’d objectively listen and eventually agree.
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So what is your reaction to a general manager telling Mike Sando of ESPN.com that the Jaguars’ front office should have been fired for taking Alualu at No. 10?
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Well I can't find the quote anywhere, but I'll take your word for it
You know, I just take it with the same grain of salt as I take in all this information.
I’ve read that the Dolphins, Broncos and Steelers all called the Jaguars to tell them that they made a great pick.
I’ve read that the Dolphins loved Alualu and that the Titans did as well.
Then I see something like this and it’s hard to say who’s right and who’s wrong. Sando covers the NFC West so it wasn’t a quote coming from one of those teams of rumored interest.
Regardless of whether the opinion is that Alualu was a reach or not, it’s definitely a stretch to insinuate that Gene Smith is bad at what he does.
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it was probably cuz he thought the Jags should take Tebow
to get teh ticket sales.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Sando mentioned it during a chat during draft weekend.
And I’m not insuating that Gene Smith does a bad job. But I think it’s too soon to say he does a good or bad job. Just like it’s silly to grade a draft a day or a year after it happens, you can’t judge a GM by those same standards.
I’m just saying that rumors go both ways here. Miami, Denver and Pittsburgh may have called Jacksonville. They may not have. They certainly haven’t gone all Mike Holmgren and admitted that he nearly traded his whole draft for Sam Bradford.
I totally see your argument on Alualu being a good player. I didn’t have him rated as high based on what I saw myself, not on what someone else said.
In the last two years, I’ve watched the following Cal games:
- Sept. 26 – Oregon
- Oct. 3 – USC
- Nov. 21 – Stanford
- Dec. 23 – Utah
- Aug. 30 – Michigan State
- Oct. 25 – UCLA
- Nov. 8 – USC
- Dec. 27 – Miami (Fla.)
I’ve watched the following Oklahoma games in the last two years:
- Sept. 5 – BYU
- Oct. 3 – Miami (Fla.)
- Oct. 10 – Baylor
- Oct. 17 – Texas
- Nov. 7 – Nebraska
- Dec. 31 – Stanford
- Sept. 6 – Cincinnati
- Sept. 27 – TCU
- Oct. 11 – Texas
- Oct. 19 – Kansas
- Nov. 22 – Texas Tech
- Dec. 6 – Missouri
- Jan. 8 – Florida
Comparing Alualu and McCoy in those two games, I liked McCoy better. Maybe not in the stat book or on the bench press, I just think McCoy is better. I think he has better snap anticipation and a better first step as a result. I think he can handle a double team better. I think teams avoided his side more. I think Alualu moves better laterally and is a better pass rusher. That’s why I liked Alualu better in a 3-4 than a 4-3. That’s why, for me, it’s a reach for 4-3 team to take him 10th overall.
Of course I could be wrong. And if Alualu proves as much, I’ll admit as much. But until then, that’s my opinion and I’m pretty much done expressing it and/or reading about it.
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And I’m not insuating that Gene Smith does a bad job. But I think it’s too soon to say he does a good or bad job. Just like it’s silly to grade a draft a day or a year after it happens, you can’t judge a GM by those same standards.
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I was more judging Gene by his full rapport since taking over as GM
I don’t think you could pick out a single move he has made in the 16 months since he’s been GM and say it was a poor one. Yeah it’s still early, but his ’09 draft class looks like the arguably the best one of the year. Beyond the draft, his personnel moves have all been great so far too.
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but his ’09 draft class looks like the arguably the best one of the year
Are you saying that looking back after a year, the Jags had the best draft so far? not only is it early but I don’t see the reason.
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Yeah that's what I'm saying
Two OTs that started all year. A CB that started all year. A DT that started all year. 2 WRs that saw plenty of playing time and look to be solid pieces for the future at the position. A TE who is going to be flat out phenomenal. And a RB with plenty of potential.
Every one of the 9 players drafted are still with the team and 8 of the 9 had significant roles with the Jaguars. Now I’m sure your retort will be that the Jaguars had a poor roster, but if you watched these rookies as much as I did, I’m sure you’d take them over whatever your team’s draft class was.
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I see how it was a good draft. However, I would not say it was for sure the best…not even after one year.
Some off the top of my head that are easily as good as the Jags Draft:
Packers
Lions
Bills (if maybin adjust well to the 3-4, that draft was dynamite).
I could probably get at least 3-4 more if I tried to think for a while, but that was just off the top of my head.
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Well, just to be argumentative...
Most “experts” I have read have commented on the Jag’s draft being their favorite so far from 09 (of course, I agree that you won’t know for another year or two).
From SI.com: “Smith’s first draft a year ago was so good that anyone that would be prone to criticize him would be better served to wait and watch before they knock his draft picks this season.”
I’ll find other quotes if you want me to, but It is about 3 am and I am not going to last long enough tonight. :)
The only one I’d, personally, even compare to the Jaguar’s draft last year is the Packers.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 30, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
thats you personally. I think the Lions draft was great. stafford will be a good QB in the league, pettigrew is solid and delmas was a great pickup.
Bills got excellent pieces like Jarius byrd and others. if maybin produces next year and gets 7-8 sacks at least, I may rank their draft higher than the Jags.
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And that is you personally.
Wow. Do we really have to have someone repeat what we say in our own posts? Really? Me saying it was my opinion wasn’t good enough?
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 1, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
I can honestly see why you would think that, I’m sure that’s how it comes off. I’m sure you wont be convinced by me saying this, but I’m actually not. I was very critical of the last GM and I’m definitely not even close to a fan of our starting QB. I’ve been desperate for a replacement since 2006. But if the perception is that I’m a homer, so be it.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 29, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I so see it as being a bit of a homer, but you are not completely blinded by bias (which is what i call a true ‘homer’ fan). You had some very good points about the Jags ’09 draft. it has been only a year and things could change, but the Jags did get a very nice draft in 2009. Granted, I would not say it was for sure the best. I would say it was very good and definitely in the top 10 or top 15.
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Thank you for an actual football assessment based off your own eyes
The one concerning thing that I’ve seen from when I’ve watched Alualu on tape is the same thing you pointed out, snap anticipation. I don’t think it’s a lack of explosion, just a lack of reaction time perhaps.
In his junior year, when Alualu was in a 4-3 and got down in a more traditional 3 point stance, he appeared to get off the snap quicker. In the 3-4 he sat down in a very awkward stance that was closer to that of a center. While I still think McCoy is slightly better at snap anticipation, I don’t think it’s quite as bad as it appears.
What I think Alualu has that is second to none in this year’s draft is a tremendous hip drive and better usage of his hands. What I saw on tape when I compared was a lot more of Alualu completely disengaging from his blockers and going after the player with the ball. McCoy hardly ever completely disengages.
And as you said, I could just as easily be wrong, but from what I’ve seen he looks to be well worth the 10th pick.
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I remember
reading that the Steeler talked to him. I don’t know if they worked him out but they were impressed with him.
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"He was one of the best “pure” 3-4 ends in the draft." – MockingDan
He’s the same size as Gerald McCoy. He’s the perfect size for an undertackle."
Gerald McCoy wasn’t considered a bad player in a 3-4 but would be better in a 4-3 as an undertackle. Did dan directly say anything bad about Alualu? Did he say he can’t play in a 4-3? no to both
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Nothing personnal, I like you Stites.
However add to the summary
You can say that you put together your OWN rankings and your OWN mock drafts, but let’s be honest, it’s just the same 100 players jumbled around in a different order.
Because right there you basically point out (to me at least) to never do a mock draft site like this great one (mockingthedraft.com) because we are all just copying.
Even though my first 2011 mock draft was on January 9th. Did McShay have one by then? Did Kiper? Did Mayock? I’m guessing not (could be wrong) but I did! Don’t worry though, apparently I’ll just be “parroting” anyways.
But because I may not agree with what happend, I am apperently “parroting” these people even though I did one before.
Once again, for the record, I do not call Tyson Alualu a “reach” at #10. Please though look at how you may come across to some here.
To me it seems if people disaree with Alualu being a top 10 pick, automatically they are “parroting” people who “should” have inside sources apposed to us mere mortals who don’t. But aren’t you “parroting” Gene Smith? He made the pick and all of sudden you are saying why he is a top 10 pick and questioning those who doubt. Doesn’t that make you the same as those that disagree?
In my 2011 mock draft posted on Jan 9th I had the Jaguars picking at #15 QB Jake Locker. Is that “parroting” the “experts”? Or should I just give them Blake Bolles from Northwest Missouri St. because at least I can’t be accuse of “parroting” and no one can question that pick because they don’t know what the board looks like?
I come on this site to talk about the NFL draft, my first day on ridiculous upside I posted a NBA mock draft, I’m on MLB bonus baby talking MLB draft (even though it’s hard to follow high schoolers), I am currently researching the NHL draft because I can’t closely follow the Ontarrio Hockey League (where many prospects come from) so I haven’t posted a mock yet on From the Rink.
But here on a sport where I can follow closely, and have the greatest love for apperently no matter what I think I’m going to be considered “parroting” the big heads. I mentioned this in the other thread but where were you calling those out that liked John Skelton and Akwasi Owusu Ansah? Why weren’t you calling them out for “parroting”?
Drafts are great for this type of excitement and talk. Don’t think for one second that I’m not waiting for the moment to tell quincyyyy that I had the Cowboys taking a ILB a majority of the time even though he said I was stupid because they took two last year. Don’t think for a second I’m not ready for when the Raiders fan comes back and throws it in my face that the Raiders didn’t take a WR.
That is what makes it GREAT!
To some (not me) you come across as a homer, and to clear my name of those same thoughts, I do firmly believe that the Bears deserve an F for their draft grade. Dog on my team, insult my team, I DON’T CARE.
I just really want to know if you didn’t have Alualu in your first round, who were you “parroting”? If anyone is to disagree and they are “parroting” then what does that say about those that believe their GM? Are thy “parroting” them?
The most important question I want answered is can I come out with my 2011 preseason rankings? Or would I just be “parroting” someone else with “same 100 players jumbled around” ? Even though I do more than 100 players.
You want answers from “doubters” well I want answers from you.
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by tj.hendricks on Apr 30, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
quick side note
I have never claimed to be the smartest on this site, in fact I’ve actually claimed to be the dumbest a number of times. So if I’m wrong about any of this, please let me know.
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by tj.hendricks on Apr 30, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Well it's clear to me that you have a problem with my usage of the word "parroting"
But I firmly believe that you’re misunderstanding the way I was using it. In regards to my quote that you used, I thought we already settled what it meant on the other thread, but I’ll say it again:
I made a mistake in saying it, because I think it came off as more of a personal attack and it was slightly irrational. What I meant by it is that draft boards are extremely similar just by the nature of the entire pre-draft process. If someone had Tyson Alualu in the top 10 of their draft board, they would be ridiculed because it’s such a starkly different board than the general consensus.
Anyway, about the word “parroting” that you seem to hate so much. It has nothing to do with whether or not you agree with the talking heads. That’s going to happen. It’s inevitable and it’s not a bad thing. If someone had Bradford, Suh and McCoy as their top 3 players, that’s perfectly understandable, not irrational. But if they’re going to do that, I’d prefer if they had actually seen the three play and were able to actually evaluate them individually.
Instead what I see a lot is this favoritism of prospects based purely on the opinions of the ESPN folk, without actually seeing them play. Alualu is the perfect example of people saying he’s a 2nd round prospect without ever actually watching him play. People have called it a reach, but I’m positive many of these people have never seen him play. That is why I made an appeal for people to “think for themselves” before labeling Alualu as a reach. MockingDan presented a great evaluation of Alualu earlier in this thread and was clearly not parroting the talking heads.
I didn’t have Alualu in my mock draft and I definitely learned a lesson this year because of it. Everything I had heard about Alualu told me that he was a 3-4 DE, so I ignored him as a prospect because he didn’t fit in my Jaguars’ 4-3 defense. That was an obvious mistake by me and I really hope that I’m not one to make the same mistake again.
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SO can I come out with my rankings? Or would I just be “parroting” off of someone else?
Was I “parroting” when I made MY 2011 mock Jan. 9th.?
The reason I hate the word so much is because it seemed to me that if you disagree then you are “parroting”.
Also Mocking Dan is better than all of us that is the reason he is the head honcho and we are all just posters on this fine site.
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by tj.hendricks on Apr 30, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see your rankings and mock drafts
I don’t mind if people disagree. Really I don’t. But I want people to give me a better reason than “He could’ve been taken later.” Mocking Dan and quincyyyyy are the only two to give me football reasons as to why Alualu was taken earlier than he should’ve been and I really appreciated both.
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not to beat a dead horse
so I would NOT be “parroting” if I came out with rankings?
I had no problem with the Alualu pick, I just thought he would be taken by a 3-4 team because that is what I was reading, by people who know a hell lot more than me.
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by tj.hendricks on Apr 30, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No you would not be "parroting" with your own rankings
The comment below is a perfect example of why your rankings are very valid.
I’m not here to be the police of credibility. I don’t want that to be the perception. Sometimes I put out mock drafts for no other reason than to have them torn up by fans so I can get a sense of what their teams are looking at. The amount of fan interaction, mock drafts and player ratings on this site are what make this my favorite site. My only point in this whole shabang is to voice my frustration with the fact that everyone talks about how bad the Alualu pick was when so few people have actually seen him play.
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I will be the first to admit that I don’t watch the NFL. I have six, that is 6 Tv’s in my house and all I do is record and watch COLLEGE football. For me to watch the Bears I go to my moms house who has NFL sunday ticket.
I come on here to get a glimpse for team needs and such.
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by tj.hendricks on Apr 30, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
dude you got me there
But just look at the draft day thread on the BTB website. Almost all the fans were either pissed or baffled by the Sean Lee pick. Nobody expected a linebacker.
What happened as we now now is that the Cowboys has Sean Lee rated as an elite prospect. The value was just too good to pass up; even if it was a linebacker. So you just got lucky with that prediction. Don’t spend too much time patting yourself on the back because it was a fluke.
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Actually, not much of a fluke.
Us Jaguars fans heard plenty about Sean Lee being an elite prospect, because there were a lot of hints from Jacksonville’s staff. I had major doubts about McClain being the Jag’s pick at 10, if he had fallen, only because it was said that the staff in Jacksonville’s front office (some of them, at least) thought Lee was a better MLB prospect than McClain.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 30, 2010 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
14th overall huh...
wow.
I guess that shows you whatever we all do..just flat out doesn’t compare. Who’s right in ranking Lee where he is..who knows. But damn…14th overall?
Goes to show you..when you think “he should’t go here, or he should be drafted already..that’s a steal where ever he goes”.
No.
Wish we got a glimpse of the colts board lol
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you could see it
but then they’d have to kill you.
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by shake n bake on Apr 28, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They would
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by TheAngelsColts on Apr 28, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They had Bradford
as the #1 player on their board.
NFL teams aren't doing a mock
They only get one pick per round (unless they trade)
So each team just has to select the player they think will help their team the most
Jags liked AluAlu – so it doesn’t matter where he was rated
They could have traded down, but then maybe Titans, Falcons, Giants, Broncos, Dolphins, or Eagles might have taken Alualu
I would have picked a diffenet player if I were the Jags, but I do not have the inside info they do
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Actually, teams generally do a mock the day before a draft to try and get a feel for how things are going to play out.
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agree, but they still only get to pick one player per round for their own team
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
no they have Berry to KC and Okung to Seattle - it is a real time draft board
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Te names on the side are put in order of first round order, and who is next to them isn't necessarily who they picked.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 28, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting to look at this.
They have the chiefs mocked to take : Trent Williams, Brandon Graham, and McCluster with our first 3 picks
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
I'm pretty positive, as is most everyone, that this is not a mock.
Rather, the players listed are their values for the players (top to bottom 1-32, right to left rounds 1-7). The teams are simply listed in their original, 1st round drafting order. The names next to the the teams on the left mean nothing. What is written next to the players is when they were picked and by whom. This pic was during the draft.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 29, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling they put players in a mock and then the numbers to the right are when they were actually picked
but i could be wrong.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 29, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
and on a sidenote…I still don’t understand getting McCluster…
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Why does McCluster confuse you?
Our defense was in the top 5 in 3 and outs last year but the problem was they were on the field too long. Our offense was terrible and teams slowly wore out our defense. Now our defense is bad i’m not saying its not but i think our offense made it look much worse than it was. Our team is slow, we have 2 slow possession receivers we need that speedy sure handed player to cut underneath and catch those 5 yard passes and try to break them for more. McCluster reminds Pioli of Welker and i think he understands how important a Welker is to moving the chains.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 29, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
but the problem was they were on the field too long.
uhhhh…there were a lot of problems starting with
a) no one in the middle to stop the run
b) no one to put pressure on the QB
The chiefs, sorry to say, had one of the worst linebacking corps last year for a 3-4 team in recent memory…but don’t worry, Buffalo will be worse this year.
Our team is slow, we have 2 slow possession receivers
I have never considered chris chambers a posession receiver. yes he is older but he still has solid speed…maybe not 4.33 speed anymore but enough to stretch the field (he did average over 16 yards per catch, 28% of catches for 20 yards or more, and 70% of catches for first downs)
Dwayne bowe has both good timed speed and game speed…he is still more of a posession receiver.
However, I would not call either chambers or bowe all that slow.
and in reality, McCluster isn’t significantly faster than them. the kind of receiver they needed was a dez bryant type. a guy with decent speed but had the size and vertical to be and end zone threat. bowe doesn’t thrive in the end zone and neither does chambers. McCluster is just getting another short receiver who is not a threat in the red zone.
The question remains too. Even if he is wes welker, would you draft wes welker that high when you have other glaring needs? Welker only flourished when he was playing next to randy moss. who on the Chiefs can demand the defense’s attention like moss? welker also has tom brady throwing to him. the thing is, you can’t put mccluster on the chiefs and expect him to be anything close to welker on the pats.
what austin collie did this year as a slot guy, that is about the ceiling I see for McCluster as a slot guy…collie also had peyton too. McCluster is a huge reach in the 2nd round for a pure WR. he is a huge reach for a pure RB. but as a change of pace back, he is not a terrible value (but not great) where the chiefs took him. the problem is the chiefs already have an elusive back who is a threat in the passing game, and his name is jamaal charles.
what does McCluster bring you that Charles can’t bring you out of the backfield?
the chiefs passed on damian williams twice. Williams would be a much better slot guy. he is elusive like McCluster, has maybe even better hands, and is a very polished route runner. McCluster is a solid route runner for a RB but poor for a WR. If we are talking a guy in the slot, I would take damian williams 100 times out of 100 over McCluster. he can do all of the same things, but he is taller and runs better routes.
honestly, whatever McCluster gives you in the passing game can be found in later rounds in Damian Williams, Andre Roberts, and Emmanuel Sanders, all of whom could be had 50 picks later…that is how you define a somewhat head scratching pick.
A lot of it is addressing need, They needed a slot guy but they already picked up Jehreme Urban (who is a taller, surehanded, slot guy).
I would say some of their large needs were QB (is matt cassel truly the franchise guy or do you need a plan B)
Nose Tackle (there is a reason shaun smith spent part of 2009 in the UFL)
Left Tackle (unless Albert improves quickly, he is not the answer)
Pass rusher (maybe their biggest need).
If you can’t protect your quarterback, and can’t get to the QB, you lose…plain and simple. The chiefs really didn’t address any of these needs in the offseason or in the draft (using a 5th rounder on a pass rusher when you were 31st in the league in sacks is not addressing the issue)
I also can’t help but question, when you have 2 solid young corners and a lot of young depth, getting a guy who might be a nickel CB and whose ceiling is a decent #2 CB, when there were great pass rushers on the board…
I never saw these many head scratchers when pioli was in New England…maybe more proof of how much Belichick was running the show.
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For one you don't know if we improved our defense pass rush.
How much did the Jets defense improve because they got Rex Ryan’s defensive blitzing schemes? Pendergast is a joke and proves it by not being in the nfl anymore. Crennel will disguise his blitzes much better and a guy like Arenas can blitz from the nickel spot very effectively.
The QB protection is due to a lack of players inside. Our Tackles were victims of our C and G being so bad that teams could get pressure inside with just one player in the middle while they blitzed the hell out of the corners. Also Cassel is well known for holding the ball too long and not getting the ball out of his hands. For a reference look at the Pats with Brady compared to Cassel and notice the increase in sacks is a lot. I am a Cassel fan and i think he has all the tools you look for he just is growing in only his 2nd season and he experienced those second year QB mistakes. Also next years QB class, NT class, and C class blow this years away and those are three of our biggest needs. I see us next year getting our NT and C of the future and if Cassel doesn’t perform well our QB as well.
I never saw these many head scratchers when pioli was in New England…maybe more proof of how much Belichick was running the show.
These head scratchers that are being praised all over the NFL by the Analysts and coaches as being one of the best drafts this year? New England trades around and it makes for a good show and they do end up with good players but not because of Bill making great picks. He trades around and selects 12 players a year. He plays the numbers game and gets as many players as he can knowing he will hit on maybe 40% of them.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 29, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Crennel will disguise his blitzes much better
seriously? because when Crennel was scheming the defenses he got all kinds of pressure on the QB. Some Coordinators you can plug in and the sack numbers skyrocket. it happened this year with the browns with mangini and rob ryan. the weapons to get to the QB weren’t much better than we had in 2007 or 2008, but we were a much more effective team at getting to the QB. bringing in crennel and the players you got MAY increase sack totals, but don’t expect to be in the top 25 in the league, let alone anywhere respectable.
The QB protection is due to a lack of players inside.
so its the players inside’s fault every time brandon albert lets a guy sack Cassel or get in Cassel’s face.
For a reference look at the Pats with Brady compared to Cassel and notice the increase in sacks is a lot.
that could also be b/c of injuries in 2008 to the offensive line…maybe that had something to do with it. not just starts, some of the guys who played all 16 games were definitely playing hurt at points.
Also next years QB class
WHO???? people keep saying this. there are guys with potential but they are guys who still haven’t developed good decision making skills or learned how to read a D.
The Chiefs draft is being praised? I have heard some praise, and definitely some criticism citing some reaches.
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Criticism from Walterfootball doesn't count as he is just a fan with his own site.
I haven’t heard a single analyst give the chiefs lower than a B- and that is Kiper who frankly was terrible this draft in all of his analysis.
so its the players inside’s fault every time brandon albert lets a guy sack Cassel or get in Cassel’s face.
Not every time but if the defense can rush 2 players against both Guards and our Center and get push up the middle then that leaves both tackles on an island against a DE. What most coordinators were doing, at least the ones early that know defense, were overloading one side with 2 blitzers meaning albert was having to digest who to block of the 3 outside blitzers. The Eagles especially did this and it led to a lot of sacks. Albert struggled this year because of poor inside play and adjusting to losing 40 lbs from last years playing weight as well as us being a one dimensional team when LJ was running the ball. When Charles took over our team was much better on offense yet we still lacked a second real playmaker outside of Charles. Also once Charles took over as running back our offensive line specifically our tackles were less abused due to defenders not being able to tuck their ears back and blitz every play. The kid is 23 years old and only been playing 2 years in 2 different schemes with 2 different coaches let him be for another year without having to adjust and then after this year we’ll see how terrible he is. I would bet he is the best LT in the AFC west this year.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 29, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Criticism from Walterfootball doesn’t count as he is just a fan with his own site.
wow, so I am not quoting walterfootball? geez, I kinda hate the guy. I feel insulted.
I would bet he is the best LT in the AFC west this year.
I guess its lucky Ryan Clady is injured then. No matter the schemes, I have not seen anything out of Albert to think he will ever be a great LT. maybe he turns it around but really there is no evidence of that besides your hunch really.
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I hate walter too might have been harsh to lay that one on you
But Albert’s rookie campaign was very very good. He was only slightly worse than Clady he took a step back this year because he was asked to lose weight and focus more on his technique and not just being bigger and stronger than the opponent. Our last 6 games he looked great and dominated Dumervil in that last game. I think he builds on his success and hopefully McCluster helps Cassel get the ball out of his hands a little faster along with Moeaki.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 30, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
But Albert’s rookie campaign was very very good. He was only slightly worse than Clady
From what I watched of Albert his rookie year, this is a gross exaggeration…he would have had to been all pro in the 11-12 games I didn’t watch…he would have to be HOF level b/c Clady is really almost at the level of Joe Thomas and the other elite tackles and came out strong his first year.
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How is Clady so much better than albert never understood?
He gave up 8 sacks and 20 QB rushes this year while Albert gave up 7 sacks and 16 pressures. Albert did have 13 penalties to Clady’s 8 but still one less sack and 4 less pressures in their second year and everyone says Albert can’t do it and says Clady is almost Joe Thomas level?
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
the way they measure QB pressures is actually a bit arbitrary.
Granted, I do not think Clady is JT level, but I do not think Albert is close to him. You really have to just look at them on tape and Clady looks better in games.
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He looks better in games because he gets away with holds.
In the 2 Chiefs games alone there were at least 5 holds on Hali that Clady got away with 2 of them were blatant hooking his arm around Hali and not letting go. Albert struggled and i don’t think he is elite but he is solid and has elite potential. Why replace a solid young player with potential for another player exactly the same in the draft. Most of these people see 45 sacks and assume LT needs upgraded but the Chiefs oline was terrible at both guard spots and the center spot. Brian Waters is rapidly regressing as a player and Goff couldn’t even stand up to get a block off. Niswanger is young with potential but he is too tall to play center. There are lots of reasons why Albert could have performed badly and it seems like excuses for me wanting to believe he is good but honestly the Chiefs offense last year was just completely in disarray for 11 weeks then JC took over as RB and slowly things fell together.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
sounds like every college QB.
they are guys who still haven’t developed good decision making skills or learned how to read a D.
Today’s college game is what it is. Bradford didn’t audible or read defenses yet he went number one overall. You pick physically gifted players that have the potential and if they can read a defense then that is a huge bonus. That being said there are 3 QB’s off the top of my head that are better than Bradford coming out this next year those three being: Locker, Mallet, and Luck.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 29, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
these guys have more upside. however, IMO, even McCoy was a more polished player than any of them…maybe not mallet just b/c he has good experience in a pro style offense…
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Luck is in a pro style offense also...
And Bradford / McCoy are from the Big XII and although i am a homer i don’t like Big XII offenses especially QB’s in the NFL.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 30, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
but luck will only be a sophmore. Luck will have 2 years in a pro style…granted Mallett will still have less than 3. I am not sold though on next years QB class. I think all the guys have upside and potential, but I haven’t seen much of that watching them (granted on a limited scale) in college.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
strike that. I do like a lot of the decision making I saw from Mallett last year…he seems to be able to read a D fairly well and has good poise but needs work on his accuracy.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
agreed all qb's need work coming out of college.
Now i would rather have a player with physical tools and experience in a pro style offense rather than just physical tools, aka Bradford. Now whether they are as polished is a different debate many people thought Locker would have gone number one overall this year and he could possibly be the 3rd best QB this next year.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 30, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Now i would rather have a player with physical tools and experience in a pro style offense rather than just physical tools, aka Bradford
a) bradford played in a pro style offense very often in his rookie season. and pro style isn’t much of a factor b/c all the schemes are different.
For example, in weis’ scheme. Clausen played in a “pro style” scheme but a large majority of passing plays (about 57-60% when I watched him) were out of the shotgun. pro styles does not inherently mean that they inherently are more pro ready…this is a falsehood used by the talking heads like kiper and mcshay.
b) bradford isn’t just a guy with physical skills. he is a guy with skills, production, and intangibles. its the intangibles on the field that matter and bradfords were ahead of Locker when Bradford was a freshman.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I disagree i think they are both similar in a lot of ways.
Bradford was surrounded by better talent and played behind a top 10 offensive line of all time at OU his sophmore year the guy was never touched. I agree he can make all the throws and i agree he has solid intangibles but there are many that thought Locker would have gone ahead of him this year. And again Locker is the 3rd best QB this next year imo possibly even 4.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
I have to support McCluster
Since I mocked Ford to KC in the 3rd. For the same reasons I am sure.
I'm surprised at how low tech their system is
You’d think in this day and age, they’d at least have a SmartBoard.
It's not a mock
the players are in order of best player available. Once the player was taken, the magnet was removed and placed on another board representing were they were actually taken in the draft. When they remove the magnet,they write in the player’s name along with team and draft selection. Players not taken still have a magnet on the board which shows Dall best player available. For example, they have Carlton Mitchell as a 4th rd grade but didn’t get taken until the 6th, so his magnet stayed up (assume the pic was taken sometime during the 4th rd).
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