2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft: Pick 36
by Brian Galliford on Apr 5, 2010 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintThe second round of the 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft rolls along. We're having each SB Nation blogger make selections for their respective teams. Joel Thorman, lead blogger at SB Nation's Kansas City Chiefs blog, Arrowhead Pride, checks in to make the No. 36 overall selection in this year's mock. Take it away, sir!
With the No. 36 overall pick in the 2010 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs have selected Nate Allen, S, South Florida.
Joel Thorman says: Heading into the 2010 NFL draft, the Chiefs' three biggest needs were inside linebacker, nose tackle and safety. Alabama LB Rolando McClain fills one of those needs, and it's too late to snag a nose tackle that can be plugged into a starting role immediately. So, the Chiefs move onto safety and pick the best one available. The two big names in the safety class this year are Eric Berry and Taylor Mays, both of whom are obviously off the board.
USF's Nate Allen is next up on the board and fits what the Chiefs have been calling the "right 53."
He was a respected team leader at USF and responsible for calling the plays on defense. This means he's not just an athlete, but an athlete with a head on his shoulders. Like McClain, Allen appears to understand the game - something on which the Chiefs place a high priority.
NFL mock drafters have noted his above average instincts as well as his focus, which again are important parts of being a Chiefs draft pick.
If the competition came down to him and Jarrad Page for one of the safety positions, then I'd have to side with Allen starting very quickly. This Chiefs regime has, at times, put an emphasis on "their guys," and Page, who was placed on IR in 2009, is not a player acquired under this regime.
Safety is a major need for the Chiefs, and Allen is one of the few out there that could step in and play right away, which is something a ten-wins-in-three-years team needs.
Mocking Dan reacts: If a free safety is the choice for Kansas City, I much prefer Morgan Burnett of Georgia Tech. He's more of a playmaker than Allen. Still, either player would be better what the team has on its roster. It might also be hard to pass up on Damian Williams, who looks like a Derrick Mason clone in the making.
Mocking the Draft's Top 5 remaining prospects: 1 - Bruce Campbell/OT/Maryland, 2 - Jonathan Dwyer/RB/Georgia Tech, 3 - Damian Williams/WR/USC, 4 - Rob Gronkowski/TE/Arizona, 5 - Brandon Spikes/LB/Florida
Sound off, SB Nation! What say you of Chiefs' selection of Allen? Please be sure to check out Arrowhead Pride for all of your Chiefs needs.
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This pick is the right one in this circumstance
but it makes me sad that we could have had Berry and Spikes instead of McClain and Allen
Honestly.
Im happier with this because we get an awesome ILB in McClain and Allen will provide to be solid for us. Because Spikes, IMO will be a bust. He had a rotten pro day and ran slow. It hurt him a lot and could drop to the 3rd
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
Exactly. Every scout or person that covers the draft has said the Spikes game tape merits a first round grade, but his slow 40 time drops him to the 3rd round. He has the prototypical size you want, just not the speed.
by Brennan McCoy on Apr 5, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
We don't need an eye gouger on our team.
That’s just down right dirty and disrespectful.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
Sure it does.
He’s done it once, he’s able to do it again. Don’t need to take any risk with that kind of guy. Besides we don’t need him, McClain is far better.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
yea it does.
i dont care what happens to spikes, once dirty, always dirty. don’t need or want him in kc anyway
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
that's great/
i hope he doesn’t. because we’re only getting better and on our way up. probably 7-9 8-8 this year and better next yr
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
no offense
but probably will. oakland twice, rams, browns, bills, 49ers, denver…def gonna get atleast 7
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
Why would you include Denver and San Francisco on that list?
But anyway I still dont see anymore than 5 wins. Sorry but I dont.
Why would he include Denver?
Did you not see us destroy them in January? Keeping them from the playoffs?
Trust the Yankees.
Who cares that the Broncos have been imploding ever since McDaniels took over. They cut their starting ILB and brought in an aged NT. Their defense is nothing again without Nolan.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
good way to back up your opinion
nothing behind it but they suck :)
Im so glad we play the Pack in the preseason ! To bad its not in the regular season..
Hmm packers and yankees
Sounds like a bandwagon fan from the 90s.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 6, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You want the reasons why the Chiefs suck.
1. No quarterback
2. No pass rush
3. Poor draft picks
4. They have only like 3 good players. (Hali, Flowers, Charles)
You want the reasons that the Chiefs suck?
1. Carl Peterson
2. Herm Edwards
3. Dick Vermeil
Peterson ignored upgrading his aging team until it was much to late. Vermeil liked veteran players and Edwards loves rookies. So we completely turned over the roster then fired Herm 2 years later and had to completely turn over the roster again in a 3-4 switch.
Our QB is average nothing special. Our pass rush is below average and does need upgraded but there are many ways to do that.
Our young talent includes: Hali, Flowers, Dorsey, Jackson, Bowe, Albert, Carr, Charles. So that’s one pass rusher, 2 cb’s, a LT, and two run stuffers along with 2 playmakers on offense. Sounds like a solid core that just needs to add pieces and mature.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 6, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I give them St. Louis on the road. I give them 1-2 from Oakland and Denver. Buffalo at home. I give them Seattle on the road. That is 5 wins. they could pull out another somewhere but there are only 5 that I see as very likely…
7 is a possibility but not likely.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
sched
we’ll beat Cleveland for sure along with st louis and seattle, oakland twice, atleast one against denver and jacksonville. we can play well and we can take one from san fran. that’s 7 possibly 8.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
Like I said, seattle, st louis, at least one from oakland, one from denver, and then possibly buffalo. I think San Fran is going to be much harder than you make them out to be. I will definitely give you guys buffalo. even if they get clausen, the QB play wil lbe bad.
Cleveland is not a guaranteed win…Cleveland DID beat you guys last year…do you remember that or are you just having a selective memory?
yes your schedule is nice and i can definitely see the Chiefs winning 5-6 games. 7 is about the max I see and that is if Cassel has a better season, and a lot of other things fall into place.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
why?
exactly as tomahawk said. thanks bud.
you can’t see more than 5? must be a chiefs hater, that’s fine better than bandwagoners when they improve and are good again.
we take 2 against oakland, win against cleveland, st louis, seattle. that’s 5 plus 1 against denver and jacksonville.thats 7 we could steal another one or two against the likes of Tennessee, Houston,Arizona, or San Diego
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
well…the browns beat ya last year and this team is much improved. I don’t see significant improvements for the Chiefs.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
you have to look at the coaching though
we added Crennel as our D coordinator and Weis as our o coordinator..That is an improvement in itself.
yep.
But the browns will have Shaun Rogers healthy again.
The browns have a new starting CB, much better than our other one.
The browns were without their starting 2 ILBs. we were starting a UDFA and a 4th round rookie.
The browns have a new starting TE
New starting RT
New OLB
IN short, the browns as they stand, are worlds better than they were when they played KC. they were not healthy at all for that game and had injuries all through the defense. Plus they are significantly improved.
If forgot to mention that although we don’t have a new OC, Holmgren’s OC in seattle is mentoring our OC.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
it's a good thing we were better than browns then and will be again.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
oh…wait. you were better than the browns?
you were so much better that not only did you beat the browns but you had a better record than them in 2009…plus you have made a ton of offseason moves…
like keeping wade smith and not replacing him with 2 players worse than him, including a 37 year old washed up C
Thomas jones isn’t that old…no mileage on his legs…
I see what you mean now…these moves are brilliant and obviously you are so much better than the browns.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
and the browns game we were without Dorsey our best rush defense lineman.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
well we were without shaun Rogers…
Shaun Rogers>>>>>>>>>Glenn Dorsey.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
hahaha wow.
Homer opinion for sure. Rogers is done was shopped for a 5th rounder and people wouldn’t even give them that.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
when was he shopped for a 5th rounder??? are you making stuff up?
Shaun Rogers is a beast. He has the size and strength to play Nose, but the pass rushing ability to play 3-4 End. The browns like the nose that replaced him after the injury so now Rogers can rush the passer…
Homer opinion for sure would be thinking that dorsey right now is better than Shaun rogers.
I don’t think anyone in the league would agree with you.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
It was reported that he was up for trade right after the season ended.
The reported asking price was a 4th or 5th rounder and got 0 bites apparently. I would definitely take Dorsey over Shaun Rogers a 31 year old NT. Dorsey already very good as a 3-4 DE and i expect him to get 4-5 sacks this year from that position.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
Please show me a report. I follow the browns constantly and I did not see anything of the sort. please show a link so I can see that you are not making it up.
We are not talking age. we are talking current production and how good they are right NOW. dorsey hasn’t shown anything that would make me believe that he would get 4-5 sacks. It is pretty otimistic to think that. Rogers however, it likely to get at least 5-6 sacks. when he was healthy, he got 4.5 sacks while playing NOSE on every down. This year, he is a NT/DT. He can play the nose but likely won’t start there but start at DE. he can just completely overpower players at that position and since he can focus on pass rushing more, I see him getting maybe 6 sacks.
when he was a 3 tech DT focused on pass rushing in Detroit, he got 7 sacks. he has improved his play since in fact. the 3 Tech DT and the 5 tech DE have similar responsibilities.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
You've seen nothing from Dorsey to suggest an increase in sacks?
Obviously because your knowledge of the Chiefs is from ESPN and NFL network. Watch the Chiefs game on a weekly basis and see Dorsey pushing the pocket through a double team but both of our pass rushers come from the same side. QB’s started rolling out right to avoid Hali and Dorsey. Also it was his first year as a 3-4 DE and only his second year in the NFL. DT’s bloom in their 3rd year normally and we added a great DC to help mask our blitzes instead of people knowing who is coming every play.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 7, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t doubt he can get 4-5 sacks. I just think it is a little too hopeful.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
This last season for Rogers was his worse in a while.
He had 2 sacks in 11 games and was placed on injured reserve for a broken leg. A 350 lb guy that broke his leg would scare me about his production especially when the stats would suggest a drop in production already.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 7, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
this last season he was also playing the whole year injured…
I would say he is more likely to get 4-5 sacks though than Dorsey…especially since he can focus on rushing the passer more this year.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
A 350 lb man was playing on a broken leg???
That is terrible team management by the coaches. I don’t buy it. No way he is able to play on a broken leg and yes he’ll be able to focus on the pass rush more awesome.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
hell we're move improved than broncos.
plus we we’re missing our key run stopper against cleveland. given the shot again we win.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
you don't?
then maybe you should scroll through arrowhead pride.
we’ve added and now have the best o cord and d cord. plus we added to the line. added new addition at NT and WR. Added a great RB in jones. now tell me you don’t see significant improvement. plus we still have the draft.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
the best offensive coordinator and D coordinator?
wow. I think both guys need to start putting that on their resumes.
I am going to break down all the signings.
you downgraded on the O-Line. Wade smith was a solid starter and Lilja should really be a 6th O-Lineman (rotation guy).
Shaun Smith. Shaun smith is NOT A GOOD Nose Tackle. he lost the starting job in Cleveland twice. He is a lazy, apathetic player with character issues. He also is very mediocre when starting and doesn’t often command a double team. he is a big guy but he isn’t a good player. he is a solid backup NT, but he is not a guy you want starting.
You added chris Chambers at WR. he was there last year. You also added Jehreme Urban. Urban is a slot receiver at best and is likely only there for depth.
Thomas Jones. Jones was very good last year but he is at a point where I highly doubt he can put up that kind of production again. he is getting older and has a lot of milage on his legs. I have noticed that there is a point where running backs start to break down physically. for elusive backs like LT, it is at about 2400-2500 carries. for Power backs it is from 2200-2300 carries. Thomas Jones is at 2280 carries. He has more carries in his career and has taken more hits than Shaun Alexander had by the time he retired. plus he is always nicked up. out of the 6 years he has been a feature back, he has only started in all of the games twice. those nicks add up when you get to where he is. I think he implodes halfway through the season. did you ever watch the browns early in the season with Jamal Lewis? that is thomas Jones next year.
as of where it stands, you lost to the browns and I look at both teams objectively and the browns are more improved.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
How are the Browns more improved?
You point to the Chiefs as not improving but adding a great OC when we had none and a great defensive coordinator when we had Pendergast, a terrible coordinator, are huge improvements.
Wade Smith was not a solid starter he was a solid depth lineman. and we replaced him with Lilja a solid depth man that fits better in a ZBS.
Shaun Smith is not the answer at NT but he is an adequate player to rotate with our starting NT who i expect to be picked by us in the first 2 round.
We improved WR by getting Chambers back and Urban a slot receiver and the fact Cassel will have all offseason with his receivers. The only receiver on roster now that was in training camp last season is Dwayne Bowe. So Cassel was trying to develop timing on the fly with new receivers on a weekly basis.
Jones is a great addition to the Chiefs for a low cost. You point to his amount of carries but he is a workout freak how long was Curtis Martin able to be productive? Also i expect jones to get around 5-10 carries a game maybe a few over 10 if we need him to punch it in on the goal line a few times. He is a power back as a change of pace to Charles great improvement over Jackie Battle or LJ.
As it stands right now we have added depth at 3 positions that could possibly start and 2 great coordinators to help Haley become a better head coach and help with input on players. Crennel has done so many defensive pro days i can’t count them not to mention the North South game.
getting a free agency like we have is a great offseason with large improvement especially before the draft. The Browns have made good moves also and they may be more improved but Pioli isn’t done and we have a great young core of talent on this team that needs to mature.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 7, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I would not consider Weis a great OC but he is solid.
Shaun smith is a Backup NT at best. there is a reason the guy has been cut from 3 teams since last August…
I would say keeping a guy that was already on the team is NOT improving the team. so every time a team resigns a player it should be looked at as a major addition? well the browns had several Key RFAs so by this moronic logic, we added more key players (like Jerome Harrison, DQwell Jackson, and Matt roth) than KC did just by player that were already on the team.
Urban is a slot guy at best. on your team, he may be a slot guy. he is average at that role, he isn’t gonna be wes welker in the slot.
So you are going to compare Thomas Jones to Curtis Martin? Lets start comparing solid players to possible Hall of Famers. Derrick Johnson could be the next ray lewis too, right? Martin is also more elusive and was able to take less hits. Jones might have one or two more good seasons as a power/goal line back. He doesn’t have much left in the tank. He started showing signs of age near the end of last season and in the playoffs. besides near the goal line, he was a nonfactor in the playoffs. Except for the role fo Goal Line back, I believe Thomas Jones is done.
The browns needed a goal line back…we got one, and he is YOUNG.
The chiefs have made some improvements, but my basic points are that the chiefs have nowhere near made the types of additions and improvements that the browns have made this offseason. they have been silent, but one of the most active teams in the offseason.
About the browns:
getting a free agency like we have is a great offseason with large improvement especially before the draft. The Browns have made good moves also and theymay be moreare significantly improved butPioliHolmgren/Heckert isn’t done and we have a great young core of talent on this team that needs to mature.
See. you statement works for the browns too. I say the Chiefs had a solid offseason but they did not nearly have the off season that the browns had (and the only reason I am arguing this is b/c a chiefs fan insists that they are SOO much better then cleveland).
As it stands right now we have added depth at 3 positions that could possibly start
the browns have added 3 starters (sheldon brown, Gocong, and Jake Delhomme) and depth at another 4 positions (Scott Fujita on the inside and outside, Seneca Wallace, Peyton Hillis, Tony Pashos). just b/c we didn’t sign a household name like thomas jones, doesn’t mean we had a bad free agency.
Plus we have a new offense in place even though our OC didn’t change. our OC is being trained in the west coast offense by Gil Haskell, Holmgren’s former OC.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
You added 3 starters.
Delhomme is done has been for years. Not sure why Wallace wouldn’t start over him. I never said that the Chiefs are soo much better than Cleveland i do like our offseason moves better than yours especially Holmgren’s decision to keep Mangina which i disagree with. Holmgren has made solid additions to that roster and the Chiefs have as well. But it is not as lopsided as you claim it to be. You got an aging washed up QB and surrendered two young developmental QB’s for nada. You swapped one starting LB for another correct? and you got Sheldon Brown. Love the Fujita signing and the Wallace signing and i don’t understand why either are just depth. You wouldn’t consider Weis a great coordinator even though he had a great offense when their receivers were Troy Brown and umm yeah that other guy. The hoodie drafted defense all day in New England during the Dynasty years and Weis made a great offense out of discarded scraps from other teams.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
yeah. Derek Anderson was a great project. Anderson will be 27 in the next season and I don’t consider him a “young, developmental QB” anymore. he is a washed up QB.
Fujita might start but I am not sure yet. He could start outside or inside.
We got rid of an inconsistent Linebacker who was in a contract year for a 3rd round pick. i like that move. then we use a couple late round picks to get a starting QB and a starting OLB.
Wallace could start, but as it stands, delhomme is ahead (but this could change by camp).
I don’t mind him keeping Mangini. Mangini is not in charge of the offensive playcalling. Daboll was doing some of that anyways. they also have a de facto OC in Gil haskell who is going to partially rewrite the playbook.
the browns also got a starting TE that can stretch the field and a solid starter at RT. Honestly, I would say the moves are about even, maybe a slight edge to cleveland (because personally, I like the starters and other players we added better Pashos>lilja, Fujita>Shaun Smith, etc…)
I think this started b/c a chiefs fan was acting like the chiefs totally revamped the team, now they are going to win 8 games, and they are going to crush the browns. I think that will be an interesting matchup again and while both teams won’t be great, it will be a pretty evenly matched game.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
I will say this much
I was at Arrowhead when we played the Browns last year and it was fun to watch!
that was an entertaining game. I was getting my hair cut and watching it…great game. I think it will be another entertaining game and i honestly don’t know who will win this time. I lean to my browns but it very well could be a tossup.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
Spikes will always be a liability
I think he’s smart enough to over come it..but I think he’ll be somewhere in between Channing Crowder and a slower Antonio Pierce (Redskins and 2006-2007 Antonio Pierce that is).
If a team wants to get away with a rotation at MLB, using a faster guy for the nickel forms..then he could work.
But if he’s your only and best starter…he’s gonna get torched a lot (like 2008 Antonio Pierce did…)
speaking of Antonio still no job?
I heard he said he would rather work for ESPN than play for the Rams who gave him a call…
Yes..he is
2008-2009 Antonio Pierce that is.
Before he became shot, no..I think Pierce has a step or 3 on Spikes.
As for playing…I doubt Pierce plays anywhere. If he could still play in the NFL, the Giants would take him back.
He really hasn’t been able to play in the NFL since the end of 2008.
I agree. His speed will be a liability but he is a smart player.
yes, he shouldn’t be your best starter on the inside…however, for KC it isn’t a bad pick b/c they run a 3-4 and if you have a more rangy guy play with spikes, it could cover it up and it could be a solid combo.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
No, but...
I still had bust on him before it. Plus no way he lands in KC, had some character problems and with Pioli, thats a no.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
I've heard he's had some issues.
He also had the eye gouging, which was just wrong. I mean come on have some respect, you know it’s against the rules, so why do it? I can’t stand people like that.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
yes. it was completely uncalled for, but besides that, I have not heard any issues. that one incident does not IMO make him have character issues.
I teach good life choices. That’s why I almost didn’t graduate High School.
no but its a complete disrespect towards the game.
he knew the rules. he knew whats allowed and what he can and cannot do. he blatantly did that and was uncalled for. if he feels like doing it once whats gonna stop him from doing it again? he’s one person I could careless what happens with his career, that was wrong.
True Quotes:
"Charles In Charge"
"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
a) Not that this was an excuse but it was in the heat of the moment
b) I am pretty sure he seemed apologetic afterward (but I could be wrong)
c) He has not had ANY character issues that I know of besides this.
your opinion is that he has a blatant disrespect for the game. maybe pioli doesn’t see it like that…this is just one man’s opinion you are spouting.
had some character problems and with Pioli, thats a no.
that one incident does not IMO make him have character issues.
no
Unless I am completely misunderstanding this line of logic, you say he had character problems, you don’t point out anything except one on the field incident, then you admit it doesn’t make him have character issues…
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Two words for you:
Brandon. Flowers.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Apr 5, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What about him?
We know he’s good. But I’m not getting it.
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With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
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He ran a slow 40 time.
Flowers was another victim of scouts and GMs placing too high of a priority on combine work outs. Flowers didn’t run as fast as the other corners in shorts, but when the pads are on it’s hard to label the guy slow. Is Spikes a similar player that just got screwed because he’s being graded on running in his under wear instead of running in pads?
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by Red N Gold Beast on Apr 5, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's have him chase and tackle a RB while the game is on the line while we're at it.
I’m just saying, every now and then guys are going to slip into later rounds because workouts are the latest info on the prospects. It works out well for teams that see through the bull shit. I’m a happy guy that Brandon Flowers fell to KC in 2008. Remember the name. He’s a very good CB that’s been playing on a crap team. When KC starts winning he’s going to make the pro bowl.
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by Red N Gold Beast on Apr 5, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
oh. definitely. I have watched flowers play and he is one of the bright young secondary stars in the league.
Eric Wright on the browns was another. He had character issues at USC that made him transfer. He was considered a top 10 talent and likely to be taken in the first, but b/c of character concerns, he dropped to the browns. he has had no issues since.
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I like Flowers too. A very good CB.
I think Brandon Carr is okay too. Not great but more than adequate.
Flowers=Solid #1 Receiver now
Carr=Very good Nickel CB
Carr=Average #2 CB
I agree. I would still eventually want to get another CB at some point, but he is an adequate #2 CB. He IMO might be best as a nickel, but he can still play the 2nd CB slot.
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Love this pick Joel.
I’ll love this kid because he has my name, and he will provide a solid option at safety while he develops into a great player. We get our ILB and safety, I’m happy.
I’d be thrilled and love it if the draft plays out like this.
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With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
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Like the safety pick
I would have rather seen a SS than a FS. I’m not willing to give up on J-Page yet. Still a great pick though. Is there a list/link that shows who has been taking already?
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I think they would move him over
Page will start and then if they draft a guy like Allen he will play beside Page
Page
is a perfect fit at SS for the 3-4 and I’m actually surprised that he didnt play SS last year.
FS…Coverage is extremely important. These are your Ed Reed and Antrel Rolle type ball hawks. Page, though not bad in coverage, is no ball hawk. Yes, he can play pass defense, but that doesnt make him a ‘ball hawk’
SS…Coverage is still important but so is supporting the run. Quick thinking, and quick reaction to the offense’s play developing is extremely important. These are your Troy P’s, and Bob Sanders’
Page is a good hitter, plays the run fairly well, and plays the pass well, HOWEVER he is not ‘great’ in any catagory. If we could find a way to land a top flight FS, and move page over to SS, I think our Secondary would pick up where the 2008 season left off, when we thought our secondary was a strength.
Despite a disappointing performance from our secondary last year, I believe that its something that can be corrected quickly. With Page taking over Browns spot and a ball hawkish FS, we should prevent more of these big plays.
I just checked it. The list of previous picks has not been updated since # 28.
I’m sure someone will get right on that……..leave some change in the tip jar please.
I like this pick
But you have to go with Bruce Cambell. Seriously, come on. How can you pass him up? I know Brandon Alberts is worthy of playing Lt but you cant pass on that at this pick. Thats crazy.
Damian Williams as well
Nate Allen is a reach and those two are steals. However, I do beleive Allen would live up to that pick if he was taken there.
agree that nate allen is reach and bruce campbell is a steal
would not agree that damian williams is a steal.. he’s mid 2nd round material, even with his freaky route running
They Chiefs cant rush the passer or block anyone
So they draft the two most overrated defensive positions safety and 34 ILB. nice
IMO
But yet we had plenty of sacks last year.
They’re no way overrated. McClain is def not overrated. He will be just fine. Nate Allen has hardly been overrated, haven’t heard much talk but that he is solid.
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"Defense Wins Championships"
"The Battle is Won and Lost in the Trenches"
With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
*Member of the unknown draft Rolando McClain fan club*
KC had plenty of sacks last year…yet they finished almost dead last in the league in Sacks. I wonder why that is…
Just because you improved on getting only 10 sacks in 2008, doesn’t mean you have a good amount.
Who is going to rush the passer opposite Tamba Hali? Mike Vrabel??
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Did they really have 10 sacks in 2008?
WOW. That is one of the most pathetic stats Ive ever heard
Adding Mike Vrabel must have really upgraded that pass rush, apparently they were able to leap frog the Jags to finish second to dead last in sacks in 09.
IMO
Actually Mike Vrabel only had 2 sacks!!
Vrabel was solid against the run for them, but he couldn’t rush the passer consistently.
What was more Key to me was Tamba Hali Adjusting from a 4-3 to a 3-4. It often takes guys a year or so to adjust systems to play OLB in a 3-4. Plus, in 2008, it was the first year where he had to rush the blindside (and face up against LTs) and the first year he didn’t have jared allen taking attention away. He rebounded from only 3 sacks in 2008, to 8.5 last year.
Besides Hali, they did not have a consistent threat rushing the passer. Dorsey hasn’t developed yet and Tyson Jackson hasn’t either. Over half of their increase in sacks was due to Hali adjusting…the rest were the additions of Mike Brown and Vrabel…however, I doubt both will combine for 4 sacks again and both are pretty much done in the league. in a 3-4, you NEED to have at least 2 LBs who can consistently put pressure on the QB. Every successful 3-4 has at least 2
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Or the fact that our NT isn't demanding a double team to free up the pass rushers could have something to do with it.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 6, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
do all pass rushers bull rush the inside? No, most pass rushers in a 3-4 are OLBs rushing off the edge. the NT can make some sort of impact but nothing significant. If you put Jamal WIlliams on that team in his prime, I say they get 24-25 sacks. that is about 3 more than they did last year. yep. a NT can help with getting about 2-3 sacks a year…really helps doesn’t it.
The NT is key against THE RUN. the NT lets the ILBs roam free and get to the RB. The NT doesn’t do 50 million things on the field. Chiefs fans seem to insist that a good NT will let their pass rushers rush better. it really doesn’t work like that.
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b/c we have other needs besides that
like ILB,NT,Safety. We need someone in the middle to plug up spots so people can rush. You obviously dont look into everything or you would know that a pass rusher isnt our biggest need. sure it would be nice but we have bigger needs. Sorry we dont all have a “lights out” Roid Rager on our team.
Keep ranking near the bottom in sacks
So you can pick near the top every year. Thats a good strategy
IMO
Keep picking roided out pass rushers so that you can win a weak division and never win in the playoffs.
Oh yeah and then when the team is just getting settled and good fire your head coach that got you there and bring in a horrible Head Coach instead.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 6, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
you used to have a Lights out Roid Rager. his name was jared allen. remember him? The pick you traded him for was used on brandan albert. now that looks like a brilliant investment.
you don’t get a NT to free up people to rush. You actually focus more on the 3-4 DEs that are in the 5 tech and take up blockers more on the exterior. even if you have great guys on the line, you still need someone to rush the passer. great pass rushers don’t need a great D-Line to rush the passer.
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Jared was not a Roid Rager for one
and he would not work as a 3-4 DE plain and simple. I dont see why that was a bad investment. I do love JA and wish he was still in KC but the 3-4 isnt for him unless he was standing up like Hali.
I was confusing him and Shawn Merriman. I knew one took roids and got suspended and one had a DUI.
Did I say he was going to be a 3-4 DE? wow, you can’t read. I would put Jared allen standing up LIKE HALI. If you had both allen and Hali right now, you would not have any problem getting to the QB. add in allen’s sacks and you are middle of the road in sacks last year. You got rid of allen and now there is a desperate need. Albert hasn’t done much to fix the O-Line either.
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yeah. I would still not do the deal if I was the GM, looking back in hindsight.
you had a pick like 2 picks after and could have easily gotten charles there too..but instead you got brandon cottam.
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I know what you mean I loved Jared
but I still dont see how he would help us in the 34. I think Brad* Cottam will have a breakout year this year. He started putting up a couple good games in a row when he got his chance until he got hurt against the Browns.
that may be true. Cottam could break out. you can’t judge prospects until the 3rd season anyways.
the basic point I was trying to make is that this would be one of the better pass rushing teams in the league with allen. in 2007, allen’s last year, the team ranked 9th in the league in sacks. I believe that KC can be up there again if they still had Allen. I believe that Allen can play either 3-4 or 4-3. He is just so talented that he would be able to make the switch. he is relentless rushing the passer.
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You still need a NT to push up the middle or the QB can just step up in the pocket.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 6, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
yes…but Like I said, does an NT automatically make a terrible pass rush good? an NT contributes most of his “production” (though it is production that doesn’t show up on stat sheets) in the running game. the NT can get SOME pressure on the QB occasionally, and occasionally he helps opening up holes for pass rushers, but he is not a key component in the pass rush.
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making it good?
Not necessarily.
But if you take one away from a good pass rush it’s effectiveness decreases considerably.
Also, how do you know if the other team is going to run or throw? Besides hail mary time, of course.
I disagree that taking away a nose decreases the pass rush’s effectiveness on the EXTERIOR.
obviously you never know when a team is passing. that is why you BLITZ. I don’t get the point of that.
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Okay i'll explain it.
The NT should be pushing the pocket from the middle. Tackles are trained to push DE’s around them and maintain the pocket. If a NT / the 3-4 DE’s are not collapsing the pocket from the middle then the QB can just step up and avoid the pass rush from the OLB’ers.
Also the NT bull rushing and demanding a double team would mean both 3-4 DE are single teamed and should be able to beat their man for the sack.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 7, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
but an elite NT does not statistically effect the Pass rush significantly. I cannot find data that proves that adding an elite NT, will increase Sacks or QB pressures…I have looked at teams where they got a good NT and didn’t change pass rushers. I looked when teams lost a staring NT (like the jets did this season). I looked at tape recently. I do not see anything to prove this theorem.
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Jared allen wasn't a roid rager he was a drunk!
get it right! lol
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 6, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah…because a NT gets like 10 sacks a year right?
you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how a 3-4 works. the Nose takes up blockers on the INTERIOR of the line. a great Nose can help a team rush the passer if you are rushing the passer with ILBs. the best ILB in the business, Ray lewis, only gets 3 sacks a year. Lewis also doesn’t blitz often. So you think that with average ILBs, getting a NT will magically help the pass rush?
You know what helps the pass rush? Pass rushers, plain and simple.
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you didn't say that
a NT eats up blockers, freeing up a LB or two to rush the passer. the linemen to the dirty work in a 3-4 and the LBs take the credit
but the OLBs run free and rush the passer from the outside anyways. the NT eats up blockers on the INSIDE. ILBs don’t blitz that often. the best ILB in the league has 3 sacks. the best NT in the league has about 2 sacks a year. Ironically, when the browns got Shaun Rogers, Kamerion Wimbley’s sacks DECREASED.
This year. Kris Jenkins got hurt partway into the season. Jenkins is one of the better NTs in the league. With Jenkins, they averaged about 1.4 sacks a game. With his BACKUP, they averaged 2.4 sacks a game. Does this mean that Jenkins isn’t needed? Yeah he is needed…It just goes to show that the effect of a NT on the pass rush is not a lot.
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No question…but the DEs hold up blockers on the OUTSIDE. where do most blitzes go in a 3-4? The outside. the NT is very key in the run game and maybe THE essential piece but the NT does not hold up blockers that would likely be blocking a pass rusher. more often, one of these blockers would be held up by the ends.
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however
where do most blitzes go in a 3-4? The outside.
that’s like saying “what kind of coin money is exchanged more, copper colored or silver colored? Silver colored.”
there are more players to choose from outside the ends than in between them. Inside? 2 LBs and maybe a safety depending on the alignment of the secondary. that’s 3 of the 8 not on the line.
yes.
better question. where do the linebackers as a whole blitz more. outside or inside. the answer is outside. in a 3-4, the ILBs blitz occaionally. The responsibilities of the ILB are to
1. Defend the run
2. Play in coverage
3. Rush the passer
the OLBs, they rush the passer first as a responsibility, then defend the run.
OLBs do occasionally blitz on the inside but they blitz a significnantly larger amount, that a majority of Linebacker blitzes are to the outside.
where do most Linebacker blitzes go in a 3-4? The outside.
Fixed
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You are generalizing the 3-4.
Not all 3-4 teams run a Pittsburgh 3-4 defense. The Patriots 3-4 was super effective because you never knew who besides their down 3 were coming. They blitz safeties, corners, ILB’ers, they drop DE’s into zone coverage and blitz all their LB’ers they play a 1-5, 2-4, 3-3, 4-3, 3-4 they switch everything up and i believe that is what the Chiefs will do to try and get around their lack of elite pass rushers.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
by ChiefsfanJon on Apr 7, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
even the patriots in their heyday had at least 2 elite pass rushers though. every good 3-4 team has at least 2 solid Pass rushers on the outside. Some teams even have 3 guys or more and rotate them. having one guy IS a major disadvantage. Tully Banta-Cain on the Pats got 10 sacks last year. you know what position the Pats thing is major to get for their Defense? Pass rusher. The Packers. Even though they got clay matthews, some mocks have them taking a DE/OLB. Same with the cardinals and they have 3 OLBs who all had about 5 sacks (a grand total of 16). the Chargers drafted larry english even though they had Phillips and Merriman.
I don’t know why the chiefs are special. you guys can function without 2 good pass rushers on the outside? you have a magic formula for the 3-4 that even the patriots don’t have? MAGIC!
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No we can't get by without 2 good pass rushers and i never said we shouldn't get a second OT
You said every team must have 2 Elite pass rushers and that the NT doesn’t help in a 3-4 pass rush which he definitely does. I would say the position the pats value most is NT and 3-4 DE just me though. Their OLB are good but is it a product of their 3 guys up front, including Wilfork, pushin the pocket?
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
second OLB* to rush the passer.
You can draft defensive line to stop a player at the line.
You can draft linebackers to stop a player 3-4 yards down the field.
Or you can draft a safety to tackle him 15 yards down the field.
I'll take the first two any day.
I NEVER said that the NT doesn’t help in the pass rush. I said that the NT doesn’t have a large impact on the pass rush. i pointed out that most 3-4 teams have 2 guys that consistently pressure the QB from the LB position and teams that don’t have that, are usually looking for another. I would say the pats value OLBs too. look at how they stockpile good pass rushers. they have Adalius Thomas, Derrick Burgess and Tully Banta Cain. Thomas is pretty much done at this point of his career, and they didn’t resign burgess yet, but they are also likely going after a OLB in the draft. I believe that they Value OLB more than DE but that DE are highly valued to belichick, and more to him than in other 3-4 Defenses too.
The NT is valuable, but I consider the NTs value against the run primary, and his value against the pass secondary. they have to be good at both and have an impact in both but NTs have more of an impact in the running game, at least it seems that way to me. It is the opposite with OLBs. they have an impact in both (if they are good) but are more of a factor against the pass.
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So simple it hurts
“You know what helps the pass rush? Pass rushers, plain and simple.” I love that quote but dont waste your breath, most of the Chiefs fans here do not understand that the 34NT in nickel is usually drinking gatoraid on the sideline on 3rd down.
They honestly do believe that this gatoraid drinker will “eat up blockers” (freeing up the epic Vrabel to dominate) while he’s getting oxygen, because when they think about defense their brain thinks base. You could try and tell them that the 5Ts kick inside in nickel and actually act as the NT and UT respectively and that this compromises more than half the snaps, but they wouldnt believe you.
And in a certain respect they would be right, because their nickel D was so pathetic last year they often had to stay in base on 3rd downs; hence their record.
They are incapable of thinking in nickel I believe because of a lack of understanding for the game. Instead they mention Merriman getting popped for roids, while forgetting their starting WR was suspended this year for the very same offense.
IMO
Alright bro
Ill admit I probably dont know near as much about the 3-4 as you Im new to the 34 unlike you. So I will take what you say and learn but I dont think the Chiefs need to put as big of a focus on pass rush as you think.
As far as Vrable though I do NOT think he is “epic” and he is not the pass rushing guy that would be Tamba Hali who had 8.5 sacks 4 FF and a safety. I agree with another pass rusher Halis numbers should go up and it would improve our defense so dissagreement there.
And as far as Merriman and Bowe. Bowe was using a diet supplement and Merriman had actual steriods… heres a quote from ESPN about it…
Merriman’s positive test was “definitely for steroids … not one of those supplement deals,” said a source with knowledge of Merriman’s suspension earlier Monday. Both the initial A sample and backup B sample came back positive, Mortensen reported.
Yes. 3-4 Teams stock up on pass rushers. 3-4 teams stock on linebackers period. the Cowboys have 2 great pass rushers and 2 very good ILBs.
What did they get in the 3rd and 4th rounds? 2 pass rushers and an ILB.
2008: the patriots picked up 4 LBs.
Pioli has only picked up one 3-4 LB in the past 2 years…and the guy was a UDFA. you build a 3-4 through the LINEBACKERS which is why I think this draft will be heavy on linebackers for them. If I was building a 3-4 Defense, they have only a couple guys I would take to build it. Hali, and then Demorrio williams (williams for a backup, I am not too fond of him starting)
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Yes. 3-4 Teams stock up on pass rushers. 3-4 teams stock on linebackers period. the Cowboys have 2 great pass rushers and 2 very good ILBs.
What did they get in the 3rd and 4th rounds? 2 pass rushers and an ILB.
2008: the patriots picked up 4 LBs.
Pioli has only picked up one 3-4 LB in the past 2 years…and the guy was a UDFA. you build a 3-4 through the LINEBACKERS which is why I think this draft will be heavy on linebackers for them. If I was building a 3-4 Defense, they have only a couple guys I would take to build it. Hali, and then Demorrio williams (williams for a backup, I am not too fond of him starting)
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sure it does.
22 sacks is a great improvement. I’m sure as the NFL grows and players get better stats will become inflated but all of a sudden 30 40 sacks isnt good enough I’m sure you wouldnt think 30 40 sacks are bad just because they are inflated.
They had a great improvement in sacks and should be proud of it I don’t care if it’s considered bad.
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With the 5th overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select, Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama.
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It is bad.
Detroit goes 0-16 and then goes 2-14…is that a great improvement? both are really bad, one was just unbearably terrible.
It is not a success to go from 32nd in the league in sacks to 31st.
You know why the team improved? not because of budding players. but because of older players that are on their last rope and because of guys adjusting to the 3-4.
the team improved by 12 sacks.
Lets look at where some came from:
2 came from Mike Vrabel. Vrabel will be lucky to get one next year…if he isn’t out of the league. i love the guy but he has nothing left in the tank when it comes to pass rushing.
2 came from Mike Brown. I know some KC fans here have addressed safety as a need. Mike brown likely doesn’t have many (if any) good years left and will likely not get that many sacks again.
5.5 came from Tamba Hali. In 2008, hali lost his protection and switched to a totally new position. Teams focused on jared allen and he could rush past the RT while Allen took the blind side. In ‘08, Hali had to switch over to the blind side AND had to switch to the OLB position. Not a surprise he only got 3 sacks. He improved last year. He is a very good player but I think he is about at his ceiling when it comes to rushing the passer. that means that you can’t rely on him to give you 5.5 more (or a total of 14) in 2010…that would be fantasy to the point of foolishness.
All in All, it was a good improvement, but to be anything but a cellar dwellar, KC needs another edge rusher.
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wow…do you read? I SAID he had 8.5 sacks. He increased his sacks by 5.5 compared to 2008…but he increased them mostly b/c he had finally adjusted to the 3-4. You can’t rely on him to get 5.5 more sacks than he did in 2009. you can’t rely on vrabel to get a couple or mike brown to either.
IF the Chiefs DO NOT get a pass rusher in this draft, they will possibly DROP in the # of sacks they get as a defense.
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I was thrown off by this. 5.5 came from Tamba Hali.
but I dont get how you mean he finally adjusted to the 3-4 when last year was KCs first year running it..
I dont look at Vrable as a pass rusher myself and Mike Brown wont even be on the team in 2010. We will either draft Berry or someone like Nate Allen to take his place.
Didn’t KC run it in 2008 though?
even if that wasn’t the case, 2008 was also his first year rushing over the LT from the blind side consistently. he also didn’t have someone taking the focus like jared allen.
Yes. Mike Brown won’t be on the team. that means 2 less sacks. I believe that they go safety at some point, but i believe that is in the third round. there are a lot of quality safeties in this draft. plus Nate Allen is more of a Free and Brown plays strong.
If pioli is as smart as I think he is, he is going to take an OLB and an ILB in the first 4 picks. great 3-4 teams stock up on linebackers. linebacker is one of the weaker positions on the team so that worries me.
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I dont believe so....
Herm ran the 4-3 and I get what you mean about Hali but I do think if we get another player that can brnig the pressure like he does he can produce even more. Which should be a no brainer..
I actually would like for KC to take a guy like Myron Rolle in the draft.
I see what you say about Allen but I think we could move Page over to strong and leave Allen at free even though some think Page is a little to big.
I really hope we go LB myself. Id be pumped it we traded down a little and took McClain. I wouldnt be suprised if we just stretched and took McClain at 5 if we cant trade down after seeing what we did with Tyson Jackson
yeah. the best case scenario for the Chiefs is that they trade down and get McClain in the first and pick up maybe a 3rd rounder or more. In the 2nd, they get a sergio Kindle or Jerry Hughes. in the third, they go after a Darrell Stuckey or Reshad Jones.
With the 2nd third round pick, they get another Pass rusher, maybe Koi Misi. with their 2nd third rounder or their 4th rounder, they get Cam Thomas.
That is a great draft for them.
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