Vote for biggest 2010 Draft Bust
by durst on May 3, 2010 3:28 PM EDT
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As usual feel free to write in your own "player most likely to be a NFL bust"
I nominate:
OT Trent Williams: I loved him as a potential RT for the 49ers, or Falcons, but hate him as a LT, drafted with the 4th pick overall, and ahead of Okung.
CJ Spiller : Again, I loved him a change of pace player, who would be similar to Reggie Bush, a toy for a creative offensive coordinator. Those seeing Chris Johnson, are way off base. Drafted a little too high, without any of the surrounding pieces in place (dynamic passing game, QB). Remember, he was only a starter for one year in college. And then there is the weather.....he played college in "death valley", and high school in Florida, his injury history will increase more so come November in Buffalo.
Tyson Alualu : Although I personally like him, and dont think he will be a bust, I am sure many of you disagree, concidering his #10 overall draft position.
Jason Pierre-Paul : Months ago I attempted to predict who would most likely be a draft bust, and named a similar player.....I really couldn't think of anyone who compared to JPP, a freak of an athelete, but will less than one season starting major college football.
Dez Bryant : Although he is also very high on the" vote for draft steal ", I image he will get his share of votes here as well
Tim Tebow : Very few people can be honest without saying he is one of the greatest college players ever, that being said a very high percentage of Heisman trophy winners have been NFL busts, and Tebows game doesn't look to easily translate to the NFL.
Patrick Robinson : As the last of the 1st round picks, he went to a very good (superbowl winning) team, and thus maybe shouldnt be expected to make a fast contribution. However, the Saints appear quite deep at CB, and Robinson may have 5 tackles the whole year as a rookie.
Dexter McCluster : He was either the 3rd WR drafted, or the 3rd RB drafted. Either way, that is way to high. Some compare him to Wes Welker in the Chiefs system, Golden Tate would have made a better pick, with former Notre Dame player getting a chance to reunite with former Irish coach Charlie Weiss.
Tj Ward : 38 pick, but thought by many to be 5th round prospect.
Armati Edwards : I would rarely put any 3rd round pick high on a list of potential busts, but this former QB turned WR, was aquired by the Panthers from the Patriots for Carolina's 2nd round pick next year.
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Golden Tate not Chiefs material
What does it tell you about Golden Tate when the Chiefs have his former coach as their OC and they take Dexter McCluster over him? It means even his former coach couldn’t sell his need for the Chiefs. McCluster has way more potential at helping the Chiefs in many more ways than Tate could have. McCluster is so much more than Wes Welker too! He’s stronger, faster, has great hands and can line up anywhere on the field, Welker can’t do that!
Imagine if you will...
Jamaal Charles, Thomas Jones, and Dexter McCluster all in the backfield at the same time? May or may not happen, but for opposing DCs, it will make them plan on stopping yet another OW the Chiefs have. I am so glad they took McCluster!
I don't know
offensive tackles historically bust very rarely.
I think Trent Williams will be alright.
That being said, I was and still am totally stoked they took him instead of Okung.
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I only think he will because
Williams struggled as a LT and if he does so in the NFL he will have to be moved to RT and you dont take a RT fourth overall.
Worst case scenario
for Trent Williams is a top 5 RT,
and is that really a bust? Even if 4th overall is way too high for a RT?
I mean, even though it’s not as important as LT, RT is arguably more valuable than, say an ILB or S.
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Well they do call Robert Gallery a bust
since he was never a good LT and it looks like he can have a pretty long career as a guard. As a long as a guy is a starter they probably arent busts
Worst case scenario for Trent Williams is a top 5 RT
Well they do call Robert Gallery a bust since he was never a good LT and it looks like he can have a pretty long career as a guard
I mean, even though it’s not as important as LT, RT is arguably more valuable than, say an ILB or S Or Guard
A few things wrong with your reasoning.
a) you are comparing busting as being a top 5 RT to Robert Gallery. a top 5 RT is pro bowl caliber. Gallery is a very good player but I doubt he will make the pro bowl more than once or twice (at the most).
A RT is also much more valuable than a guard. a Top 5 guard, has much of an impact on the game as a very good (but just under pro bowl caliber level) RT. So, it would make sense to reason that a top 5 RT would be much better than a very good Guard.
you do make the point that as long as they are a starter, they are probably not busts. this is somewhat true and its why its harder for O-Lineman to bust.
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So are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
Or just disagreeing with yankees10?
Or is everyone wrong but you?
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Williams
gets to face Demarcus Ware, Trent Cole and Justin Tuck twice a year, its going to be hard for anyone to not be deemed a bust going against those guys
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 3, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
the idea is that LTs that bust become RTs and then Guards if they fail at RT
its valid, ask cowboy fans how they feel about Leonard Davis, and they would tell you what a great guard he is. ask arizona fans about him, and they will tell you he was a major bust, being drafted to play LT with the 2nd pick overall.
I still see a pretty good RT, but more worthy of the #15 selection, not #4.
unfortunately
I agree… on the bright side tho, they locked down their mediocre RT for the next eight years
the one bright side
is Shanahan’s OL’s are rarely bad…and if he had big say in this, he probably got the right player.
I hope that you are right
& I agree that Mike Shannahan & Bruce Allen know infinitely more about football than I ever will, but I STILL think that Okung would have been a better pick & that Williams has a very good chance of ending up as a long term mediocre lineman in Washington
JPP
boom or bust 50/50
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I'd maybe add Demaryius Thomas to that list
being a 1st round pick (ahead of Bryant) and coming from that funky Georgia Tech offense.
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by axel360 on May 3, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
JPP leading the vote eh...
great.
Save this thread in your minds.
Cuz it ain’t gonna happen. “Boom or bust” is laughable. I’ve even heard the ignorance of 15 sacks or 0 sacks. Like people can’t count in between 0 and 15.
LOL
same here. Before the Packers drafted Bulaga I thought he was going to bust, now that hes on the Packers hes gonna be a star.
its cuz I looked into it more.
Most who say JPP is gonna bust look that he’s a one year player..then stop there. Now that all the info on him’s come out…he just doesn’t seem like an ordinary “inexperienced player”.
I never really thought Bulaga was gonna bust. I think he’s at worst gonna be like Eben Britton from last year…a solid technician at RT (or of course LT) but a solid starter for his whole career nonetheless.
His potential may not be there and he may be as good as he ever will get…but that’s really not a bad thing.
If Bulaga was a ‘rookie in Madden’, he’d be a dude that’s an 85 coming out…but ends up a 90 at best. Which is fine.
Yeah
Personally I dont think JPP will be a bust. He may not be that sack machine like they say he will be but I think he will be a good starter for a long time. Thats what my thoughts on Bulaga were if he doesnt play LT well than he could play RT and be a solid RT for the next 10 years.
The only thing JPP has going for him is that he's an athletic freak
he’s an athlete, not a football player.
Considering he played mostly against RTs, never got double teamed, had a DE (Selvie) that did attract double teams, played in an awful Big East, and still didn’t produce, there’s no other reason to believe he’ll be good in the NFL besides he’s a freak of an athlete.
Drafting a player exclusively because of that is a recipe for disaster.
Sometimes, you can just see the busts coming but teams still fall in love with players like JPP.
I hope he proves me wrong. I just don’t think he will.
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false..actually.
When asked about that, the USF coaches and Giants scout Mark Ross laughed..they said it was the other way around with the double teams.
And really, the only knock on him is he’s inexperienced. He’s actually a tough, hard nosed kid.
The fact he’s got a great motor and work ethic probably means he won’t be like Gaines Adams (RIP), who did not have any motor or work ethic..nor a desire to get better…
And really…you can say every single player in this draft is inexperienced.
and he's actually a very good football player
most of the time he was the best player on the field. Granted he’s going on raw athleticism….but the fact he’s making great plays and just doing it instinctively..and inexperienced, shows that he more then likely becomes a solid player at least.
Did you watch any of the South Florida games?
Selvie was clearly the better player. He played against the LTs and double teams and still produced more than JPP.
You’re crazy if you don’t think 80% of the reason the Giants took him is because of his crazy athleticism!
Watch this. There is nothing there that leads me to believe he’s going to be a successful NFL player.
I bet you would have a much different opinion of his NFL future if another team would have drafted him. Everyone has bias, but this is just insanity.
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I really laugh hope people go and post these youtube videos
and then say so an so sucks or so and so is great.
excellent burst off the line
which is basically the prime thing you look for in an edge rusher.
And all the stuff I said in there already.
The only knock on him is inexperience. That’s it.
If the Cowboys would have drafted him
would you still be saying he’s going to be a star?
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I'd probably do what most are doing..and like I did before the Giants drafted him
and basically dismiss him after the inexperienced thing.
So yea, I’d say he’s a bust.
He probably wouldn’t be tho.
For me anyway
it’s not the inexperienced thing, it’s the fact there isn’t anything I like about his game besides his amazing athleticism.
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you can look at all those videos and think some dude's gonna stink
or you can say that he goes against college OG’s or plays on a stacked DL.
Look at the situation the dude’s going into. JPP ain’t gonna have to start.
He’s gonna be used sparingly, and even as a stand up OLB at times (which he did at USF too..and was good, and covered TE’s a few times as well)
the problem that I saw when I watched him on tape, is that he would dominate, then get shut down. against WVU he got completely shut down playing almost exclusively that game over the RT. Granted, I don’t think he is a surefire bust, but his game tape isn’t all that impressive…but that doesn’t mean he will be a surefire bust IMO.
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Considering he played mostly against RTs, never got double teamed, had a DE (Selvie) that did attract double teams, played in an awful Big East, and still didn’t produce, there’s no other reason to believe he’ll be good in the NFL besides he’s a freak of an athlete
That’s what it is with me that made me wonder if he deserved to be a 1st round pick.
He does have the physical tools, but he’ll need time to put it together. I hope he does or else that NY fan base/media will be on him fast.
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considering he had his best games against teams like Rutgers (Davis)
Florida State (excellent LT who I forget his name), Miami (Jake Fox)..shows he shows up in big games.
The Big East had plenty of guys drafted as well didn’t they?
You know what they say;
If you can beat Rutgers, you can beat anybody
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by OldProspects on May 11, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
TJ Ward
Only because he is has injury problems
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
We just dumped a problem WR just so we could draft another?
but if his injury problems don’t show up in a major way in the NFL, he could actually be a steal at that position.
guys come out with injury histories and do fine in the NFL. guys come out with a clean bill of health throughout their life (courtney brown) and can’t stay healthy in the pros. Injuries in the NFL are unpredictable. Having injuries in college does increase the likelihood a bit, but it doesn’t make them a surefire injury prone player.
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Adrian Peterson is the best example of this
his injury history in the NFL is pretty clean wheras he couldn’t get on the field at OU
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How come sam Bradford isn't on this list?
Out of everyone on here, he’s going to the worst situation of all: A non-NFL ready QB most likely going to start right away…on a team where being a rookie QB may be David Carr’ish
you are right, I should have had him as an option.
QBs have high bust rates, and so few #1 overall picks become true franchise players
he got hurt behind an OLine that included the #4 overall pick playing LT.
he had lots of weapons as a Sooner, but so few as a Ram
Haha more proof Giants and Redskins had a horrible draft
delicious
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We won't have any "proof"
for a few years.
This is all speculation and educated guesses.
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Trent Williams struggled at LT, I don’t know why they expect him to be better at it against harder competition.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on May 3, 2010 9:14 PM EDT reply actions
Redskins are a horribly run organization
that’s why.
You have an elite future pro-bowler and potentially all-pro tackle fall in your lap, Okung, and you reach for tackle of much lesser talent. Incompetent fools.
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Trent Williams sucked at LT last year at OU
does a ZBS hide crappy LT play?
Basically the Redskins spent the 4th overall pick on a right tackle.
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difference is you know that comparison is not valid
since Bryant is much quicker (considering he is an elite punt returner) and has much better hands than Roy Williams.
Whereas, we all know that Jarvis Moss and JPP are in fact similar players. The only difference between the two is that Moss was more productive in college.
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if I thought I knew that....
I’d probably consider myself an idiot.
by FreeBradshaw on May 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
especially since Moss played 3 years at Florida
and even in his best year, wasn’t as productive as JPP…LOL.
And since Roy Williams was praised for many a thing that Dez Bryants was…LOL.
Bryant will bust. JPP will not.
LOL.
by FreeBradshaw on May 4, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Roy Williams was never and could never be an elite punt returner, He is just not as quick as Dez
Furthermore, Dez catches everything that comes his way, Roy has terrible hands.
Anyhow you are lying. In their junior years Moss had 7 sacks and 42 solo tackles and 56 total tackles. JPP had 6 sacks, 26 solo tackles, and 42 total tackles. Sorry to burst your bubble there buddy.
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And JPP had a 30 inch vertical and 19 reps on the bench
Moss had similar numbers. Two overrated players, both with minimal production, and little physical strength to play on the d-line in the NFL.
JPP has bust written all over him.
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you ain't bursting no bubble.
in fact, you can have you’re little idea in your own little bubble.
by FreeBradshaw on May 4, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you're stats
and combine numbers prove nothing.
by FreeBradshaw on May 4, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Ok so in what universe do you live in where someone who had only six sacks and 26 solo tackles can be considered productive?
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Sorry freebradshaw,
i gotta side with this Cowboys fan.
Dez Bryant will be a top 10 receiver, while JPP will be a bust.
Besides, comparing players is just dumb. Dez Bryant is Dez Bryant and Jason Pierre-Paul is Jason Pierre-Paul.
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that you care i think bryant is going to be a stud
and JPP is going to bust, even if you wont admit you do.
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I dont want to be too much of an @$$
because you shouldn’t kick a guy when’s he down.
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whatever you say...
but most Giants fans are high on him.
Me too.
by FreeBradshaw on May 4, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't dislike the Giants
I don’t dislike JPP. I wish both well.
But if the Giants really didn’t want to get anything out of that 15th pick, you should have just given it to us. At least then there wouldn’t be wasted money/cap space.
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production is relative not absolute
JPP’s sack numbers don’t look great, but it is rarely mentioned that he did not start and played little in the start of the season. 6 sacks in 7 starts looks pretty good.
6 sacks in 7 starts looks pretty good
it sure does….. it sure does
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by Plaxico Burress on May 4, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy has terrible hands.
Maybe he does in Dallas but
a) he didn’t have bad hands coming out of college
b) didn’t have bad hands in Detroit
This is a scouting report on him from when he was drafted
Is a complete receiver with excellent size (6-2,212), speed, hands and run-after-the-catch skills. Can make the spectacular catch. Has excellent leaping ability, fights for the ball in the air and wins most jump balls. Catches the balls over the shoulder and outside of his frame and has the body control to get balls thrown behind him.
Honestly, Dez Bryant sounds like a slower Roy Williams.
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by bross09 on May 5, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude you don't know what you are talking about
He’ll make a spectacular catch and the next play drop and easy ball. I was incorrect in say saying he has bad hands; he actually has big soft hands. What I should have said is his concentration is horrible. And his route running is awful.
Go ask any Detroit fan. They’ll agree with that assessment.
And Dez has returned multiple punts for touchdowns at Okie State, he has great quickness and is a very smooth runner. Much more so than Roy. It is not even close.
Your problem is you haven’t watched Roy’s game extensively. You are basing it off one scouting report. And you probably haven’t watched him all that much when he was at Texas, Detroit, or Dallas. You don’t know what you are talking about.
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Interesting you didn't post a link to that report
I just ran a search and looky what I found for his negatives:
WEAKNESSES: Needs to improve his short and intermediate mutes. Rounds off his cuts at times and doesn’t always find the soft spots in zone coverage. Will try to do too much at times and will run before catching the ball. Drops some passes he should catch.
Emphasis is mine. that is exactly what I told you above. Unfortunately he still has those same problems.
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This quote of yours is exactly what I'm talking about:
Honestly, Dez Bryant sounds like a slower Roy Williams.
“sounds” is the key word. You haven’t watched him play, you have just heard.
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I thought Roy was rumored to be a 4.3 guy while at Texas, much faster (maybe not quicker) than Dez??
yeah 4.4. Roy may have better straight line speed
but he does not have the quickness of Dez. Roy lumbers, Dez is smooth.
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Roy Williams scouting report from college
Has great vision and the ability to make defenders miss…and has great athletic ability…
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Dude you are relying on all these second hand reports
I have watched every game of his in Dallas and some when he was in Detroit and some when he was at Texas. His quickness doesn’t even come close to Dez, and is not nearly as smooth.
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Dez Bryant
for the simple fact that he is going to have a star on his helmet
Ike Davis = Albert Pujols
yea good one
cuz ive never heard anybody on sbnation blogs say something about my tag name… original
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by Plaxico Burress on May 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
dez will fail as bad as your post did
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by Plaxico Burress on May 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I think it will be Tyson Alualu.
I am not saying this purely because of the reach standpoint. However, i am saying this from the fact that DTs bust the most of any position in the NFL…Even more than WRs in the first (but its fairly close). I think Suh is maybe the most sure thing at DT since Sapp. However, I see the other DTs taken in the first round to possibly being busts.
Personally, I don’t think Gerald McCoy will bust but I do not believe he will live up to where he was drafted.
Same with Alualu. I think he could be a decent player possibly, but will likely not live up to his draft status.
However, out of the 3 DTs taken, in my opinion, Alualu has the least amount of upside. I think McCoy could one day be a double digit sack DT (same with Suh) but I don’t see the same upside in Alualu.
DT is a position that misses often and statistics show that it is likely that one DT from this first round will miss, and I think its much more likely that it is Alualu than McCoy or Suh.
Also, in the first, Dan Williams was taken. However, NTs do not bust at the same rate as 4-3 DTs/34 DEs do. those guys can underperform and just take up space…which is still fine for them.
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I'll have to disagree that Alualu will bust or be the Biggest bust of 2010
I’m also not sure about DT’s being the position most likely to bust
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I'm to lazy to look though each of your comments,
so if you picked Alualu ur dumb, Hhe is nto a bust.
i was at school, and bell rang, so i just quickly typed, loged,a nd went outdoor
by rhettchrystal on May 5, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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