Comparing top quarterbacks Christian Ponder and Jake Locker
There has been a lot of discussion this week about the ratings put out by the National scouting service. One of the more noteworthy ratings is at quarterback where the service gave Washington quarterback Jake Locker the same 6.7 rating as Florida State quarterback Christian Ponder.
The belief by many is that Locker is fair and away the better quarterback prospect. That's what being athletic with a big arm gets a player.
After the jump, there's a closer look at both quarterbacks comparing their strengths and weaknesses.
Arm strength: While Locker's game is based on velocity and athleticism, Ponder's is based more so on precision and timing. Ponder puts good touch on just about all of his throws. However, his deep ball is sometimes off and he doesn't have the arm strength to hit every pass outside the numbers. Ponder's issue working outside is putting too much air on passes. Locker likes to strong-arm his passes more and loses some accuracy underneath. But he's much more a deep ball threat and is a terror on deep vertical throws.
Athleticism/mobility: Ponder reportedly has the best short shuttle time on Florida State. Still, his athleticism doesn't compare to Locker, who reportedly runs a 4.4 40-yard dash. Locker can also do a lot more on the move and runs around with ease.
Decision making: In the past, Locker's athleticism has been a detriment to his decision making. He would too quickly pull the ball down and run instead of reading his progressions. Ponder is as cerebral of a quarterback as there is in college football this year. He showed superb field vision in 2009 working through his options. Ponder looks to be the better of the two reading coverages and understanding what to do before the snap.
Mechanics: On his drop back, Ponder holds the ball higher and up near his shoulder and neck. Locker tends to hold the ball lower down his chest as he drops back. This allows Ponder's setup to be quicker. But Locker appears to have a faster release. Both have correct release mechanics and hold the ball correctly.
Ponder's footwork is a little better than Locker, but that's a big area where the Washington quarterback is working. Ponder comes out from under the center a little more than Locker and has a more natural look dropping back. Locker isn't clumsy in his drop, but he's had a harder time reading defense while dropping back. He needs to shuffle instead of step as he drops back.
Size: Both players have similar height. Ponder is listed by Florida State as 6'2 and National said Locker's size is a measured 6'2 1/2. Locker is a much stronger player, though, at 231 pounds to Ponder's 217. Locker's builk is NFL-ready while Ponder may have to get bigger, especially in his lower body.
Intangibles: Locker was a two-sport star in high school and was drafted by the Los Angeles Angels in the 10th round of the MLB Draft. Locker went from playing in a spread during his freshman and sophomore years to a more pro-style scheme in 2009. Locker has had several injuries, including a broken thumb, a neck issue and currently has an injured hand.
Ponder has already gotten his MBA from Florida State and reportedly got a very high number on the preseason Wonderlic test. He missed time last season with a separated shoulder, which required surgery.
Final word: As unquestionably the top two senior quarterback prospects in the nation, Locker and Ponder will inevitably get compared this season. The comparison maybe shouldn't be appropriate.
With Locker, there is a lot more potential, athleticism and arm strength. With Ponder, there's more accuracy, football intelligence and timing. Each provides something the other doesn't and will fit in different schemes.
If you want to make your own judgements, I want to hear them. Below are some highlight videos.
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Which NFL players would you compare
Locker and Ponder to?
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Personally I say
Ben Roethlisberger upside for Locker (add in scrambling ability though) and on the downside I say JaMarcus Russell.
For Ponder I would say Drew Brees on the upside and like below Trent Edwards on the downside.
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 24, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Locker is nothing like Russel.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 25, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking as a worst case scenario
Athletic, Huge Arm, Questionable Short Accuracy
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Russel wasn’t that athletic. Locker runs like a 4.5
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 25, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
you're right
I had it in my head Russell was at a 4.6 when he was a 4.8
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by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 25, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder reminds me of Marc Bulger when he was good. Locker makes me think of Donovan McNabb when he first came into the league.
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these were better than mine...
"If that boy billionaire thinks he can shut me up, he should stick his head in a can of paint." Myron Cope, after Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder sent someone into the broadcast booth during a game to tell Cope to stop referring to his team as the "Wash Redfaces."
I will no longer use my sig as a way of predicting things as I seem to be a kiss of death to the poor kids I big up so much.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 24, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
that's rarer then leap year
KEEP LEE!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder sounds like Trent Edwards with more hype, great.
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Ponder
Is more athletic than Trent Edwards.
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As a Jags fan
I’m hoping we draft a QB early next year and I think that Ponder and Locker will be on GM’s will be the top 2 on the list. Mallet and Luck are both underclassmen, which I think puts them down a notch when you’re looking at the QB position. Also I think Mallet has some red flag, character issues.
I see Ponder as the more ready QB, while Locker will have a bit more to learn. I also see Locker having more upside, but even in their first couple of years starting I could see Ponder playing better.
I think Ponder could start right away, but Locker would do well to sit out a portion or a whole season. As to which one I’d want in teal. The jury is still out until the college football season progresses, but if I was going to take one… Jake Locker please become the second QB to switch from purple to teal.
Ponder ripped UNC's #1 defense!
UNC has probably the most stacked D in America and Ponder throw for 395 and 3 TDS on them last year!
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Ponder for Heisman'10
RIP John Wooden
But then struggled against the bad defenses!
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 25, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Besides the USF game, when did he struggle? He played with cracked ribs vs Clemson and the week before.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Ponder
Was solid all year. I see all of his games living in Jacksonville. Even the USF game he wasn’t horrible.
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-Akrobatik
Russell Wilson
killed that same defense, UnC defense is over hyped.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Jun 29, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Russell Wilson
Actually isn’t a horrible player.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I'm
Torn with these two. I really like Locker’s athletic ability, but I love the tenacity Ponder plays with. That tackle that hurt him, aside from him being hurt from it, shows he is a winner.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Jake Locker is like Ginger and Ponder is a bit like MaryAnn.
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Twilight?
"If that boy billionaire thinks he can shut me up, he should stick his head in a can of paint." Myron Cope, after Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder sent someone into the broadcast booth during a game to tell Cope to stop referring to his team as the "Wash Redfaces."
I will no longer use my sig as a way of predicting things as I seem to be a kiss of death to the poor kids I big up so much.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 24, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, right. That sucks too. Alo, are you secretly a 13-year-old girl?
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No I am not
I have a girlfriend who dragged me to the last movie
"If that boy billionaire thinks he can shut me up, he should stick his head in a can of paint." Myron Cope, after Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder sent someone into the broadcast booth during a game to tell Cope to stop referring to his team as the "Wash Redfaces."
I will no longer use my sig as a way of predicting things as I seem to be a kiss of death to the poor kids I big up so much.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 24, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh shit
misread “Alo” as “Also”
"If that boy billionaire thinks he can shut me up, he should stick his head in a can of paint." Myron Cope, after Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder sent someone into the broadcast booth during a game to tell Cope to stop referring to his team as the "Wash Redfaces."
I will no longer use my sig as a way of predicting things as I seem to be a kiss of death to the poor kids I big up so much.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 24, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And luck is a normal non-mutant guy. Perfect pick if I were drafting!
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Jun 25, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Good ole’ Gilligan’s Island trumps Twilight any day.
I’m startin to hate modern american pop-culture.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
too true
there is nothing I hate more than the hype around twilight.
Especially “twighlight moms” do they realise these guys are 17 years old. Do you know what would happen if a 45 year old man was lining up outside a Miley Cyrus film and was screaming how hot she was? No need to say the cops would be called.
"If that boy billionaire thinks he can shut me up, he should stick his head in a can of paint." Myron Cope, after Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder sent someone into the broadcast booth during a game to tell Cope to stop referring to his team as the "Wash Redfaces."
I will no longer use my sig as a way of predicting things as I seem to be a kiss of death to the poor kids I big up so much.
by Josh Roberts (ESGB) on Jun 24, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
they just want to hear...
the air supply soundtrack for the film…
7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!
I think the soundtrack is actually phenomenal. I can’t say anything about he movies, though, as I’ve never seen them.
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the actual soundtrack...
may be good… but every time i see a clip of the movie i hear “im all out of love, im so lost without you…” such a wussy vamp movie…
7-9 this year... 9-7 if we get lucky!! GO CHIEFS!!
FSU fan, I'll try to leave the homerism aside but have a couple of notes
A couple of notes: As of this spring, FSU lists Ponder at 6’3 228 (though he did play last season at 217). A number of people have suspected that he is actually 6’2, but people on campus say hes a legit 6’3 and the combine will show that. Take it for what its worth as I know Everrette Brown’s height was fudged a little by FSU, but theres a very good chance Ponder checks in at the combine at around 6’3 225-230, which should dispell any size concerns.
Additionally, I think his arm strength concerns are a little overblown: The guy has the arm to make any throw he needs to make in the NFL. Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Jar435rnc
^^about 55 yards, running out of bounds to the left. His doesn’t have the tools of Locker, but Ponder is probably the more NFL ready of the two, IMO
I took the 6’2 from last season’s media guide and kind of doubt he grew at this age.
Someone else has pointed me to that clip. I based arm strength more on consistently throwing hard and not one throw.
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However, he did gain quite a bit of bulk and showed a stronger arm in the spring game, fwiw
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Like to say that I am not trying to say Ponder is absolutely the better prospect
However I do think his likelihood of success is higher, while Locker’s ceiling is higher.
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I was going to post a similar comment, but Ponder is not 6'3''. Legitimately 6'2'' however, maybe 6'2'' half
Love that throw vs USF
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Ponder has the lowest floor (bust potential)
but Locker has the higher ceiling.
Florida State Seminoles
Oops...just saw SWFLNole's comment.
Florida State Seminoles
by basbalstr101 on Jun 25, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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