Three games into 2010, some teams need a QB for 2011
by Dan Kadar on Sep 27, 2010 3:07 PM EDT
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The Dec. 12 game between the Buffalo Bills and Cleveland Browns is being touted by some as the Andrew Luck Bowl.
Two of the NFL's worst teams are in dire need for a quarterback. Buffalo just dumped Week 1 starter Trent Edwards, a move similar to the Browns trading Charlie Frye in 2007. In Edwards' place is Ryan Fitzpatrick, an athletic signal caller with no upside.
The lowly Browns are trotting undersized career backup Seneca Wallace. When he's healthy, the team will play turnover machine Jake Delhomme.
So whichever team loses on Dec. 12 could be in place to take the talented redshirt sophomore quarterback with a big arm and good pocket poise and mechanics. But Buffalo and Cleveland aren't the only two teams clearly in need of a quarterback.
Sorry Jaguars fans, watching David Gerrard has become painful. Against Philadelphia on Sunday, it seemed like every third pass Garrard threw had a chance to pick intercepted. Many thought Jacksonville should have drafted a quarterback early this year. Adding one in the first two rounds in 2011 seems imperative now.
Unless the Cardinals think the future lies in either Max Hall or John Skelton, they should also consider going with a quarterback in the first round. Derek Anderson is on the brink of being benched and Matt Leinart has already been cut.
Seattle also isn't out of the quarterback equation. Matt Hasselbeck has continuing back issues and doesn't seem to have the same touch he did in the past. While the team traded for Charlie Whitehurst, you'd think he'd be playing already if he was good enough. There's a reason for the name "Clipboard Jesus."
Oakland is also a strong possibility after benching Jason Campbell. Bruce Gradkowski is a spitfire of a quarterback, but does anyone really think he can be a franchise quarterback? Besides, doesn't Ryan Mallett being drafted by Al Davis sound perfect? (update: or not since Oakland doesn't have a 2011 first rounder.)
A lot of people thought the Vikings would go after Tim Tebow in this year's draft. They didn't and project to having Tarvaris Jackson as their 2011 quarterback. He's been uneven in his career, so Minnesota might wait to see how much Jackson has improved.
Sleeper quarterback seekers could be San Francisco and Cincinnati. The Bengals in particular are a long shot, but at some point the team has to evaluate Carson Palmer's play. He may be signed through 2014, but he hasn't been a top quarterback since 2006.
So who are the quarterbacks these teams could be going after? Whenever we bother to re-do the site rankings, here is how they'll look regardless of class:
1. Andrew Luck | 6'4, 235 pounds | QB | Stanford **
2. Jake Locker | 6'3, 226 pounds | QB | Washington
3. Ryan Mallett | 6'7, 238 pounds | QB | Arkansas *
4. Christian Ponder | 6'2, 219 pounds | QB | Florida State
5. Nick Foles | 6'5, 240 pounds | QB | Arizona *
6. Blaine Gabbert | 6'5, 240 pounds | QB | Missouri *
7. Pat Devlin | 6'4, 220 pounds | QB | Delaware
8. Terrelle Pryor | 6'6, 233 pounds | QB | Ohio State *
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Keep in mind that the Raiders have no first-round pick
If they do draft a QB, it probably won’t be one of the very top guys. Maybe Pryor?
maybe Locker since
between now and then he’ll drop out of the top 3 and into the 2nd round. If not farther. Wouldn’t Pryor actually be a better project QB than Locker?
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 27, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Browns trade for Kevin Kolb. Tom Heckert drafted him in Philly and I’ve read that he has called a lot to see if he is available. I don’t think the Eagles will think about trading Kolb until they get a extension for Vick done but when that happens I think he is a goner most likely to Cleveland since Heckert loves him.
I think it will depend what Philly wants. If they re-sign Vick, I doubt the Browns would offer more than a third and fifth for Kolb.
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Considering the price earlier was 2 first rounders, I don’t think they are going to settle for that offer.
Teams never get the true asking price, and plus he got benched, which will lower his value
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason Kolb is on the bench is because of the way Vick has played. Vick took the job from him with the way he played in the 2nd half of the Packers game and the Lions game. If Kolb didn’t get concussed he would still be the starter.
I didn’t say he’s bad, but teams just wont give a first rounder for someone on the bench.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 28, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Add the Chiefs as a sleeper
Very few Chiefs fans have confidence in Matt Cassel right now even with them winning games. Doesn’t mean Todd Haley and Scott Pioli feel the same as the fans, but they could be looking at a QB in the first few rounds
No need to wait
Cassel has been horrible. Can not throw the deep ball and his accuracy is something that if you even rewatch the game against the 49ers, he almost over threw Bowe+Moeki in the end zone. I wish I would have counted how many passes sailed high on him. That being said though, we have an easy easy schedule so we might not go after a QB in the first just go BPA again and see how it shakes down.
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 27, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Great in run coverage
Been hot and very very cold in pass coverage. He has had shots at a few picks, but so far in the first game against SD he was man to man with Gates and didn’t get inside leverage near the goal line Gates got the easy TD. Second TD for SD was where Berry came up to bracket gates allowing Naenae(spelling?) to run right by him for an easy touchdown. Cribbs TD for CLE Berry bit on a play action pass and Cribbs went over the top with Carr trailing him. Hillis also had a short TD run where Berry didn’t make the tackle.
I’m still all onboard with him, hes going to have to learn the hard way and matching up against Gates in your first game is no easy task. He is the reason our run D is as good as it is, many times a game you will see a run play then just see a red blur come wreck the play..
Cassel out, Andrew Luck in!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 28, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Mallett seems like David Garrard but with a stronger arm to me, so I guess that really makes him more like Byron Leftwich?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 27, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Ryan Mallet on Arkansas?
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 27, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Garrard with a stronger arm, higher IQ, four inches taller, better pocket presence.
by Fivus Viener on Sep 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Those two INTs he threw vs Bama don’t suggest any higher of a football IQ
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 27, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, its unacceptable for a QB to throw two interceptions against the best team in the country. Come on man, its not like he didn’t get a ton of yards or looked lost.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That one INT in the red zone...
…was just lazy. He tossed the ball into traffic without any zip behind it.
by Richard Hill on Sep 27, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a 2nd year starter.
Peyton Manning used to make dumb mistakes in college. Not saying Mallet is gonna be that good, but that’s crap to go and knock a 21 year old for that sort of thing. It happens to ALL of them.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 27, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Such as? I’d have the first four as first rounders, Foles and Gabbert as twos and Devlin and Pryor as players with potential.
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Both Locker and Mallet have been unimpressive so far. I am not saying these QB’s won’t get drafted high but I am not sure they will succeed in the NFL. Pryor is another QB I just think won’t be a good NFL QB.
What exactly does Mallett have to do to be impressive? He’s got 10 TD’s and 4 INT’s with about a 70% completion rate, IIRC.
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by UZ on Sep 27, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats are not even close to the be all, end all of QB evaluation
Trevor Harris threw for 100 TDs and 31 INTs and 66% completion percentage in his college career. He’s currently unemployed.
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Danny Wuerffel: 114 TDs, best college QB rating ever. How did he end up doing?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 28, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you missed the point. The stat poster was showing the uniformed person how “unimpressive” Mallett has been.
You can post stats all day if you prefer. You can posts stats of Wuerffel, Timmy Chang, Kliff Kingsbury and other QB that was physically incapable of playing in the NFL. It doesn’t change the fact that Mallett has been impressive this year and anybody denying it seems to be out of the loop.
by Fivus Viener on Sep 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
And where did he play college ball?
Mallet is playing in the SEC
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 28, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that they’ve looked unimpressive. I’m just not willing to write them totally off quite yet.
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Comment/question about Locker
After Trent Edwards’ release, I took a look at Brian Brohm’s college career to see how they stacked up against Parcells’ four rules for college QB’s, plus the above 60% completion percentage. Brohm met all four criteria.
Locker won’t get 23 wins despite starting three years, and won’t complete 60% of his passes overall, unless his last nine game are ridiculous.
Watching the Bears last night got me thinking about Jay Cutler. He might be a good comparison for anyone drafting Locker. Cutler didn’t win much, and his completion percentage wasn’t over 60%, and had similar upside and questions coming out into the 2006 draft.
I think the two are enough alike for a team drafting Locker to know what they are getting. Thoughts?
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Man, I’m so baffled who Locker compares to. bb when he first came into the NFL. But that was based on the assumption that another offseason of a pro-style offense would lead to better pass placement for Locker. Not so.
I don’t know that I can get on obard with the Locker/Cutler comparison, but that might be more because the non-throwing parts of his game. It’s impossible to compare them athletically because of Locker’s ridiculous athleticism. Locker nowhere near as cocky as Cutler.
So I don’t really know? What other quarterbacks fit the archetype of athletic and with a good arm, that aren’t Michael Vick? Tony Romo?
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I’m wondering if Locker can succeed at the NFL level, and I am as baffled as you. I looked at Cutler because he came into the league as a strong-armed QB with accuracy problems and didn’t win a whole lot of college games.
Locker’s in that same boat, IMO.
Of the QB’s available, I don’t think Locker is the best, but I’m not comfortable in giving the keys to the franchise to any of them right now.
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I think it is important to remember when looking at Locker, that he didn’t even play Quarterback til high school and didn’t start throwing a lot of passes til his senior year due to the Wing-T offense his high school ran. He wasn’t like Clausen or Luck who grew up with QB coaches teaching them the nuances of the game. Luck even had the advantage of having a father that played QB in the NFL. Having all that extra time to develop your game has got to mean something over a player who didn’t have those advantages.
Check out this article that highlights the 3 different offenses Locker has played in since high school. First he was in the heavy running Wing-T, then a heavy run spread option, and last year was his first year where a coaching staff sat him down and actually worked on him as a passer.
Not sure there is anyone out there that you can really compare him to. Locker is all about the potential and athleticism. I have no doubt that he will have some really good to great games passing before the year is over and the big question for him will be if a team can correctly utilize his athleticism while developing his passing skills.
Luck is a big risk though, because he hasn’t really produced until this point.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 1, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What are the 4 criteria?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 29, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Be a three year starter, be a senior, graduate college, win at least 23 games.
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Has that been proven to work?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 29, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and no. You are more likely to find a solid QB that way then the best QB. Pretty sure JaMarcus Russell was able to match each of those criteria. Just think about the QBs Parcell’s has coached can you name a world beating QB he has drafted and coached? He benched Phil Simms when he first got to NY (for Scott Brunner), not sure if he drafted Drew Bledsoe, but I wouldn’t call Bledsoe a great QB (definitely good, not great) and none of the other QBs he has coached have done anything outside the regular season. Its a nice guideline, but the draft is an art, not a science.
Cutler
thows a much better spiral than Locker, which usually indicates better mechanics.
If Locker ran the same 40-time as Cutler, he would be considered a mid-to-late-round project with some upside.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Mallett hasn't been impressive?
it took him two plays to score a TD on Alabama’s defense.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Those guys were wide open
I could’ve led a team to a score against those defensive looks.
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Mallett has looked pretty sharp IMO. Saw him play UGA and had no complaints.
by Fivus Viener on Sep 27, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
His accuracy isn't
very good for an NFL QB.
I think its hard to judge Garrard considering his O-line gave him nothing. Garrard spent the vast majority of that game running for his life.
Also, Gradkowski may not be a franchise qb but that team responds to him and he either wins games or keeps them in games. I think eventually, you have to judge him on that and so far, its a decent judgement.
I feel bad for Tarvaris Jackson. Maybe I just have a short memory, but I always feel like that organization has never really trusted him and has continually undermined him while waiting for him to fail.
Totally agreed with you on Carson. After the knee injury and the tommy john surgery, he’s living on borrowed time.
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by TransplantedFan on Sep 27, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
I was at the game. Garrard was god awful. He is 32 years old and in his ninth year in the league. He is the same clown I saw four years ago blow the Jaguars chance at the playoffs. He needed to go last year.
by Fivus Viener on Sep 27, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hard to judge Garrard?
about 6 inches away from this comment i saw the following news link:
David Garrard Likely to See Competition From Former Rams QB Keith Null
i think that says it all.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
This
Garrard has talent but has totally forgotten how to play the position. Both he and Del Rio are done in Jacksonville.
In my opininion, one team (either the cardinals or the vikings) are going to come off this list when the skins finish up another 5-11 season (not verrry good) and Donovan McNabb leaves town.
That leaves the redskins with 2 problems…
- Rex Grossman is their new starting QB
- A front office that is more likely going to not going to panic and pull a move that leaves al davis shaking his head
Despite numerous promises about the FO changing and trying to learn from their past mistakes they have already traded away their 3rd and 4th round picks which leaves them only a 1st and a 2nd in the first 130 picks to fill NUUMEROUS holes (QB1/2, RB, WR, C, NT, CB, FS) across the entire roster.
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From what I've seen of Mallet this year
and Luck and Locker, I dunno how he’s not the best one on the board. He has that pocket presence that cannot be taught.
He gets a bit boneheaded with the throws, and it costs him. But he’s not an NFL veteran. Every QB in college makes boneheaded throws, especially against D’s like Bama…even tho he kind of torched that defense for the most part.
If my team needed a QB, I’d be thrilled if they were at #1 and Mallett declared. He’s got a lot in common with Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco.
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IMO
he has a lot in common with Flacco. Less with Ryan. Both big guys with limited mobility, great arm strength and mediocre deep accuracy. I think Mallett will be a decent NFL QB, but his accuracy is suspect.
Mallet has plenty of mobility
and Ryan and Flacco didn’t really have that expected of them coming out of college.
The guy has a 70% completion. And I don’t see him throwing Sam Bradford dump passes and wheel routes.
He’s throwing basically all NFL throws and reads. He’s the real deal with a cannon and very good (underrated, apparently…) accuracy.
Whoever gets him is getting a star. Whoever gets Locker..a bust.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 27, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he has a high
completion rate. I don’t think that necessarily translates to having good accuracy, especially deep accuracy. I think you have to look at whether he’s hitting his receivers in stride, putting the ball into tight windows, etc.
I acknowledge that I could be wrong about anything and often am. You are just higher on him than I am.
You are obviously a big fan and have probably seen more of him than I have.
And absolutely,
he’s hitting WRs in stride. The things I see him do back there at QB, I don’t see anyone else doing in college football.
The one play that stood out was he was in the pocket, the RE was coming around the corner as he dropped back. Mallet didn’t even look at him, stepped up and around him like he had 12 eyes, and then hit his WR in stride.
To be honest, this deep ball accuracy as a knock is pretty laughable. Is he great? No. Is any QB in the NFL…..Drew Brees is the only one I know of (not even Peyton throws the deep lob all that well…but he doesn’t do it much).
The other thing I think you Mallet detractors are missing is he’s 21 years old. He’s in his 2nd year starting in college football, SEC football to boot.
He makes some bad decisions…but he also makes many more great ones. And I dunno how anyone in their right minds would ignore the face he’s so young, and that he’s simply going to make those mistakes.
Andrew Luck is everyone’s top QB for whatever reason, but while I may only have seen him half as much as Mallet (and I guess Luck throws a better deep lob pass), I don’t think Luck has nearly the potential of Mallet, and also Mallet to me is a safer pick.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 29, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree on Locker
But see above with my comments to Dan on the Locker/Cutler comparison.
As team drafting Locker can’t have an amateur QB development team (QB coach, O-coordinator). I’d even say that the head coach needs to be an offensive minded guy.
Prior to this season, Cutler had his best statistical seasons under Shanahan in 2007-08. Denver only won 8 games in 2008, but that’s more indicative of the terrible defense the Broncos had. 2009 is somewhat of a throwaway, since Ron Turner can’t really compare to Martz in terms of coaching QB’s hard and developing them.
Cutler will never be a Peyton Manning/Drew Brees precision QB. He’s more of a throwback gunslinger. That’s where I see Locker’s future if he gets on the right team.
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I don’t know how you can be so definetive. The one thing that can’t be answered right now about these really talented players discussed here is the coaching aspect in the Pro game. I personally think a lot of these prospects end up not reaching there full potential because of poor coaching.
Not a lot of QB gurus in the NFL. Look at Clausen, he’s being thrown to wolves and has only one WR threat in Steve Smith. While Bradford is being brought along well in St. Louis under veteran assistant Richard Curl. Sam Bradford is not being asked to do too much and appears comfortable and poised. Jimmy Clausen not so much.
while he wasn't exactly a great pro coach
Bobby Petrino is an excellent QB coach.
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by FreeBradshaw on Oct 2, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve thought he compared to Flacco for a while.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree somewhat
I prefer Luck over all the QB’s, but I don’t know if he’s going to declare. If he does’t he’s the best combination of what teams want in a QB: leader, good arm strength, decent accuracy, good athlete, smart.
I can see Mallett jumping Luck, though, if he has a very good year. I think he played well vs. Alabama. His biggest flaw is his footwork. Very inconsistent, and it’s the source of his inaccuracy, IMO. Especially evident on crossing routes- when his footwork is bad he opens his receiver up a lot.
The think Locker will get jumped by Mallett in the ranking, but I think Locker’s got a Cutler-type future ahead of him. Very similar college careers in terms of stats, wins, strengths, weaknesses.
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I don’t think I can see Ponder as starter.
I think Luck, Gabbert, and Mallet as starters. Locker seems like he will bust to me. I don’t like his accuracy.
Pryor has not impressed me.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 27, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions
My thoughts exactly. I highly doubt someone with a career accuracy rating of about 55% can really succeed in the NFL.
by Brennan McCoy on Sep 27, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No need to apologize , Mocking Dan
The Jaguars really do need a QB. History would say with our first two picks, it’ll be of the same position.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 27, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Dalton comes from that zone read offense and isn’t THAT good. How can you like him over Mallet?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 28, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a reason Kellen Moore isn't included on the list?
He at least seems more likely to play QB in the NFL than Pryor, in my opinion.
Moore
He is an underclassman and unlikely to declare.
by Fivus Viener on Sep 28, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was 6'0
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
I don’t think he can make all the throws.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Sep 28, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Isnt Seneca Wallace black?
He looks white that pic.
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