Why the Indianapolis Colts shouldn't draft Andrew Luck
by Dan Kadar on Oct 10, 2011 7:17 PM EDT
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The problem with the Indianapolis Colts runs much deeper than Peyton Manning not playing. Because of that, the Colts shouldn't take Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck if they have the first overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.
It's true that the future of Manning is the great unknown. It's also true that even if he comes back healthy that he'll be 36 in March. But what if he comes back from his neck injury perfectly healthy? Let's say that's the case and he can play three more years. After all, it's not unfounded to see a truly great quarterback play that long.
If Manning plays three more seasons, Indianapolis may not get to see much of Luck. Under the new rookie wage scale, each of the top 10 picks in the first round signed a four-year contract with a fifth-year team option. The same would happen for Luck.
Namely, the Colts need more playmakers on defense and Luck won't be lining up at defensive tackle anytime soon. He won't be filling in for an aging Gary Brackett at middle linebacker and he won't be dropping back in pass coverage either.
The 2012 NFL Draft is expected to be filled with good players who can play in the back seven of the defense. With extra picks, talented players could be added to bolster the offense. The offensive line could use some help as well, but the Colts could have salary cap space with Mathis and Wayne in their contract years.
By passing on Luck and reloading with more pieces of the roster, it would also give new vice president and general manager Chris Polian the chance to put his imprint on the team. While the Stanford quarterback would turn around the Colts' trend of questionable first-round picks, maybe Polian doesn't want to try and fate Luck. (See what I did there? Yuck, yuck, yuck)
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Someone complained to me via email that we have too many posts about Andrew Luck. Because of that, we’re going to have even more.
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by Dan Kadar on Oct 10, 2011 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I also propose many more puns...
it’s good “luck” to have more, you know haha
I hate how we have so many topics about how the niners draft and their tendacies
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
DING DING DING
I also would have accepted a post considering solely of a picture of Peyton.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 10, 2011 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I think that a franchise that has been very successful for the past 12 years because of a HOF QB
might want to get another one. I think that any team that does not have a long term franchise QB will be very interested in drafting Andrew Luck & then building a team around him…i.e. if the Colts are picking 1st, then Luck is the pick.
I think you’re probably right that he will be the pick. It might just waste the last few year’s of Manning’s career (assuming he has a few more in him).
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You're right...
stick with an old qb coming off a major injury and pass on the one of the greatest qb prospects this game has ever seen. Brilliant!
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I know right!
It is such a good idea.
by RamblinWreck7 on Oct 10, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So your calling Andrew Luck a hall of famer?
Your real smart considering that he isn’t even in the NFL yet.
by RamblinWreck7 on Oct 10, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Montana finished his careerin K.C.
Joe Namath finished his as a Ram. Brett Favre was let go in favor of Aaron Rodgers, great QBs are often let go when they are getting up there in age. As a fan it might be hard to imagine but organizations take the long view, especially when injury & salary are going against the veteran.
I like how you chose Joe Montana first
makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
"Stopping the run doesn't come because of scheme. It come because of want to." - Donte Whitner
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
He won’t be filling in for an aging Gary Brackett at middle linebacker…
But Pat Angerer will, and already has.
by thejoshbaker on Oct 10, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Health
Everything is dependent on Manning’s health. 20% of the people who have this surgery are never able to play football again. If Manning’s playable years have reduced from four to two or three, then taking Luck makes perfect sense because of the complicated Indianapolis offense.
My reading of the landscape is that much of the first round backfield help isn’t in the top 10. The top 10 seems to be comprised mostly of tackles and quarterbacks. Indeed a lot of mocks have the best corner for the Colts Tampa-2 system, Dennard, falling into the second round. The safety class this year isn’t much stronger than last year’s, so I’d expect we’ll see a lot of the mocked safety’s in the second falling back into the third or fourth. The Colts do need a lot of help, but it’s not help they can get in the top 10.
by TrueBlue87 on Oct 10, 2011 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
However romantic it is..
To think of going all-in with Peyton in the last few years, the simple fact that Luck can guarantee a similar run of success (if he is as advertised, which I believe he is) means that he absolutely has to be the pick – and that’s if Peyton were guaranteed to be healthy, which certainly isn’t the case.
If we were picking #2, would it make sense to trade up to get him? Of course not, and a consolation prize like Alshon Jeffery, Justin Blackmon etc etc would be lovely and would take the decision out of our hands. Having early picks in each round means we’ll be able to restock with a good draft.
Antoine Bethea - the most underrated safety in the NFL.
by Ben Savage on Oct 10, 2011 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
i think it still comes down to thinking long term
would you go all for 2-3 yrs with Manning, not even sure that he will come back or invest long term with the next best bet? Since this doesnt’ involve my own money, I’d make the smart choice and go long term.
I'm surprised no one has made the easy "He made a big hit on a fumble return in college so he might be able to line up at DT" joke.
You pretty much handed it to us.
He is much to small to play DT
more of a LB
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
"Stopping the run doesn't come because of scheme. It come because of want to." - Donte Whitner
Follow @manraj76
When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Luck is the prospect of the decade
You make the safe pick. If Manning returns healthy and the Colts decide to stick with him, they can still trade Luck in 2013. You get one less year under contract, but in return you get Luck tutored for a year under Peyton.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
lol, a prospect, no matter how good of a prospect he is
isn’t the safe pick over a healthy HOFer, which Peyton is expected to be by April.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
so the safer pick is an OL or a WR or whatever the hell the Colts need (which seems to be everything aside from Peyton)
why not take a QB when its there as insurance in case your franchise QB only has a year or two left? There’s also teh idea that even if he comes back, he’s just one hit away from retirement, or at least a whole lot closer then any other QB is.
Its like having David Robinson, then you’re in position to draft Tim Duncan one year with the Admiral out for a season.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
the safer pick is to get a ton more picks
Hate that comparison. Robinson and Duncan could be played at the same time.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really, the Pats always have a ton of picks and draft terribly year after year
and the Robinson-Duncan stuff still stands. They only played together a few years
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
those few years are kind of a big deal
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
"Pats always have a ton of picks and draft terribly year after year"
That pretty much just gave the entire world reason to believe that you have no idea what you’re talking about.
by indy pats fan on Oct 11, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
take a look at the picks why don't ya
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national basketball association, yes.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
PAYTON ISN'T COMING BACK.
Accept it. Neck and spinal injuries are serious. He’s already undergone multiple surgeries and stem cell stuff oustide US medical practice. You can even tell by the look on his face, he’s not coming back.
You can't even spell his name. Your argument is invalid
also because he’s not even on IR and is being called 50-50 for a return this year and a sure thing to be back next according to Irsay.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
What's wrong with Sean Payton?
I haven’t heard anything wrong about the Saint’s had coach.
by RamblinWreck7 on Oct 11, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really see an argument from you. I disagree with it.
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I wasn’t making an argument. Simply disagreeing with your conclusion. All of the points you state are valid. My assertion would be that you should never EVER pass on a player of this caliber. The team will be championship caliber until Manning retires. Luck all but ensures that they will continue to be so for the next decade. The rest of the pieces can fall in around Manning either through later rounds or FA, but nothing does more for the overall stability of the franchise than having Luck waiting in the wings.
by invisibulman on Oct 11, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The rest of the pieces can fall in around Manning either through later rounds or FA
You have lost your credibility too sir…
by RamblinWreck7 on Oct 11, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you doubting Peyton’s ability to take a scrub team to the playoffs? Or the Colts ability to competently use free agency? I might agree with you on the latter.
by invisibulman on Oct 12, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
draft Luck. you will have about 25-30 years of solid to great QB play
meaning Manning was drafted in 1998, and between Manning and Luck (who you could sit a year or two) you will have a very high level of QB play from 1998 to about 2026!!
that also means you have between 2013 to 2026 to build the back end of the defense
I see the point of your argument
But the problem is, it will apply to any team picking first overall. Any team that becomes the worst in the NFL will have holes all over the team that will need to be filled. It just so happens that QB is probably one of them.
The thing is...who do you take if they're the #1 pick?
there’s no Ndamukong Suh in this draft.
Is Matt Kalil a franchise LT? Is he that much better then Anthony Castanzo?
Is Quinton Coples as unproductive as he is in college, or is he the next Mario Williams?
Do they take Blackmon or Jeffrey and hope Peyton comes back? The Colts have plenty of WRs, but no one as gifted physically as these two.
Trent Richardson would be my choice if no Andrew Luck, but do the Colts really care about RB?
Andrew Luck makes the most sense to draft. He’s the best player in the draft and whether Peyton plays or not he gives the Colts the best chance to succeed now if Peyton’s hurt and later when Peyton leaves.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
you don't take someone besides Luck at number one, I wholeheartedly agree.
you trade the pick and add a bunch of talent.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
that's to say someone will trade what you want for the pick
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, it's Andrew Luck!
I thought he was the best prospect ever?
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
will trade what you want for the pick
What do the Colts want? Do they know more then you about Peyton’s neck? Yes.
Will they be in position to draft Andrew Luck in the future? No.
I don’t think they’d be 0-4 this season if they had Luck as the QB.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What do the Colts want?
They should at least get more than SD got for Eli
Do they know more then you about Peyton’s neck? Yes.
That doesn’t go for or against drafting Luck since they are clearly down on either side of it.
Will they be in position to draft Andrew Luck in the future? No.
Will they be in position to add so much talent around Manning again? No
I don’t think they’d be 0-4 this season if they had Luck as the QB.
and… They probably wouldn’t be 0-5 if they had started Painter all year too.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow...block quote madnes, are you an Eagles fan?
No one’s making an Eli for Rivers trade again.
Yes the neck goes for drafting Luck….unless they’re drafting a QB with whatever QB they get.
They’ll be drafting #1 in every round, that’s plenty of positions to add lots of value
Painter blows.
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by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
*whatever pick they get
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Oct 11, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the neck is a reason why Luck is on the table
but the fact that the Colts know more about his status doesn’t go either way until they are clearly down on one side or the other.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
two firsts, a 2nd and two 4ths for Julio makes me believe teams will still break the bank for a player they really want.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure I follow
are you saying that trading from 1 back to 8th to 12th would get you that deal?
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The Falcons were in a completely different situation
they’re dumb enough to think they’re a Julio Jones away from contending.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I think believing you're a piece from contention will get a very similar reaction
as believing you could get the best prospect in a decade+ at the most important position on the field.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Except for half a dozen in each town the citizens are proud of that achievement of ignorance which is so easy to come by. To be 'intellectual' or 'artistic' or, in their own word, to be 'highbrow,' is to be priggish and of dubious virtue." —Sinclair Lewis
by shake n bake on Oct 11, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Football people are weird...
You can’t argue with me that Andrew Luck is overhyped. He may be good, but this is rediculous.
If I was the colts, and they somehow managed to get the first pick when they probably won’t, I would trade that for a bunch of talented and awesome players.
If the colts could get a top CB, top WR, and top SS, players like Morris Claiborne, Alshon Jeffery, and Ray Ray Armstrong for Andrew Luck, that would be amazing. I would take Jeff Fuller at receiver instead if that is asking for to much value in return for Luck.
TIME
It catches up to everyone. The Colts would be smart to get Luck if the opportunity presents itself. There is no easy way to bring in a new guy looking to take a legends place. Montana/Young, DiMaggio/Mantle, Favre/Rogers. It is a painful yet necessary part of team progress.
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