Mock Draft 2.0
by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 6:13 PM EST
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PrintI really apologize for this being so close to the previous version...the reason I'm doing this over is because I found that I didn't have as much insight into each team as I thought I did. Now that I have more information from all of you, I want to try to re-mock and make a more accurate version. Here goes:
Round One
1. Carolina Panthers - Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
2. Denver Broncos - Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU
3. Buffalo Bills - Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
4. Cincinnati Bengals - Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
5. Arizona Cardinals - Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
6. Cleveland Browns - A. J. Green, WR, Georgia
7. San Francisco 49ers - Robert Quinn, DE/OLB, North Carolina
8. Tennessee Titans - Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
9. Dallas Cowboys - Marcell Dareus, DE, Alabama
10. Washington Redskins - Cameron Jordan, DE, California
11. Houston Texans - Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
12. Minnesota Vikings - Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA
13. Detroit Lions - Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
14. St. Louis Rams - Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
15. Miami Dolphins - Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
16. Jacksonville Jaguars - Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
17. New England Patriots - Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue
18. San Diego Chargers - Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
19. New York Giants - Brandon Harris, CB, Miami
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
21. Kansas City Chiefs - Tyron Smith, OT, USC
22. Indianapolis Colts - Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
23. Philadelphia Eagles - Martez Wilson, LB, Illinois
24. New Orleans Saints - Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
25. Seattle Seahawks - J. J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin
26. Baltimore Ravens - Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
27. Atlanta Falcons - Jon Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
28. New England Patriots - Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
29. Chicago Bears - Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
30. New York Jets - Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
31. Pittsburgh Steelers - Ben Ijalana, OG, Villanova
32. Green Bay Packers - Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
Round Two
33. New England Patriots - Mikel Leshoure, RB, Illinois
34. Buffalo Bills - Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa
35. Cincinnati Bengals - Jake Locker, QB, Washington
36. Denver Broncos - Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple
37. Cleveland Browns - Allen Bailey, DE, Miami
38. Arizona Cardinals - Brooks Reed, LB, Arizona
39. Tennessee Titans - Mason Foster, LB, Washington
40. Dallas Cowboys - Raheem Moore, S, UCLA
41. Washington Redskins - Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
42. Houston Texans - Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
43. Minnesota Vikings - Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
44. Detroit Lions - Titus Young, WR, Boise State
45. San Francisco 49ers - Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
46. Denver Broncos - Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
47. St. Louis Rams - Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
48. Oakland Raiders - Brandon Burton, CB, Utah
49. Jacksonville Jaguars - Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada
50. San Diego Chargers - Quinton Carter, S, Oklahoma
51. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
52. New York Giants - Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State
53. Indianapolis Colts - Danny Watkins, OG, Baylor
54. Philadelphia Eagles - Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida
55. Kansas City Chiefs - Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami
56. New Orleans Saints - Ryan Williams, RB, Virginia Tech
57. Seattle Seahawks - Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
58. Baltimore Ravens - Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy
59. Atlanta Falcons - Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
60. New England Patriots - Stefen Wisniewski, OC, Penn State
61. San Diego Chargers - Drake Nevis, DE, LSU
62. Chicago Bears - Rodney Hudson, OG, Florida State
63. Pittsburgh Steelers - Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
64. Green Bay Packers - DeAndre McDaniel, S, Clemson
Let me know what you think. I hope I did better this time. Thanks!
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Eagles
Reid doesn’t draft LBs in the first round, or really early in the rounds for the most part. So…they chances of Martez going to the Eagles in the first round is….well none. And I’m not sure if Mike Pouncey drops that far in the 2nd round.
With all that being said, I wouldn’t mind this draft if it were to somehow magically happen.
I think I'm underdrafting Pouncey in my mocks,
but I really don’t like him. I see him as a third-rounder at best. I guess my personal opinion of him is making its way too far into my mock drafts.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
If the Giants ended up with Harris and Jones I'd be good, ecstatic even
but then I look at the Eagles picks….Martez Wilson- if he’s a first round talent to them, he’s a first round talent to us (since both teams equally hate LBs).
Also Mike Pouncey has no business being that low. And if those teams in between 20 and 51 pass on him, I don’t think the Giants would at 52.
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I was looking at this draft after I finished and ended up swapping Martez Wilson and Brandon Harris with each other. If you guys think they should be swapped back I can easily do that. I swapped them because I was second-guessing myself for having Wilson as high as 19.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson I see as a late riser
he wasn’t talked about much even tho he was as good as any LB (included Ayers), I think its just since no one really expected him to declare for the draft.
And yes, you’re underrating Pouncey too. His snapping “issue” was basically nonexistent after he made a switch in his snapping motion anyway. And of course if he’s actually an OG, dude’s a Triple OG.
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Either is fine
Giants fans have less of a clue this year than last year. Both Wilson and Harris are good picks. Jones too. But I would want Pouncey there in the 2nd. We’ve done well teaching people to play center.
Bengals
1 Realistic and I personally pick
2 Realistic , I can’ argue this pick, the buzz is that the Bengals may look into 2nd or 3rd QB.
Hopefully my picture doesn't show my bias.
Yea
This is a good draft for us. Would like to wait for a QB in the 3rd, but I can’t argue grabbing a top talent like Locker in round 2
Falcons drafted DT
In the first round of 2009 and in the third round of 2010 (we didn’t have a second that year). Couple Jerry and Peters with Babineaux, we are very strong three deep at DT. No way we spend another really early pick on a DT.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Feb 17, 2011 6:46 PM EST reply actions
I thought all those guys were smaller, penetrating DT
Austin is more of a space-eater. Who would you pick there instead?
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Sam Acho has a lot of support over at the Falcoholic
And really, since we have a 4-3, penetrating DTs are what we want. We are constantly trying to improve the pass rush, especially with Abe getting older every game. Basically, since you went offense in the first (not an bad pick, just probably not the most likely pick considering Baldwin was a junior and he has a slight past of off-field issues), we need an upgrade in at RDE to replace Abe, or at least play a bit on the left side until Abe retires.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Feb 17, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Panthers don't need Bowers.
And it seems he just turned on the jets to get paid.
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Last year was the first time Bowers had a repeat DC
He switched between his freshman and sophomore years. I’m a Clemson fan, so it’s not easy to stay impartial, but Bowers is a friggin’ monster from what I’ve seen.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
And does not fulfill a need.
Stay impartial.
Give us anyone else than Bowers, except Newton.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 17, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
So basically Fairley or Peterson, then?
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Or Gabbert.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 17, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Green?????
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Feb 17, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Good WR + Bad QB does not = wins.
Rather get a QB before the WR.
Also we have 6 WR’s under contract, only 2 are over 26 and they all show promise.
No.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 17, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Just clarifying the "anyone besides Bowers, and not Newton" comment
Agreed about Bowers though. The panthers have some good young DEs on the team. I think Fairly will be the pick, even though I think he is the third best player in the draft.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Feb 17, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Need > BPA
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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 17, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
that is basically how the Bills and Lions have drafted the last decade
except the Lions wised up recently
Cool.
I don’t care.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 17, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
if you want the Panthers to start winning
caring is a start
Absolutely ideal for the Bengals.
I love Fairley in the first. Definitely the right pick if he’s there. Locker in the second would be a great value pick and in the WCO under Gruden he’d be an absolutely perfect fit with his mobility.
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if Liuget isn't on the board at 29
Bears won’t draft Dline
Devin Hester. 14 Koff/Preturn TDs in 5 seasons.
Can you at least make different picks as opposed to just saying "ew"?
Who would you pick instead?
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
1. J. Smith, Wilson, Ponder, Kerrigan, Harris, Clayborn,
2. J. Smith, Jones, Dowling, Wisniewski, Hankerson,
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 17, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Jimmy Smith was not available at either pick...
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
sorry i was looking for him
and coulnt find him, and i thought u slid him to round 3
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 18, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Logic behind my picks...
1. I think that’s just too high for Wilson, but I wouldn’t be crushed with a Wilson pick. I think Aldon Smith is a better football player than Wilson though. That’s definitely a reach for Ponder, IMO. Harris or Clayborn I could definitely see, probably Clayborn more than Harris. I’m not a Kerrigan fan, and I hope Gene Smith isn’t enough of one to pick him at 16.
2. I don’t mind Greg Jones, but if we don’t get a quarterback in the first, the talent drops WAY off. Kaepernick is one of the few, if any, guys left that have the potential to be an NFL starter long-term. I LOVE his tools. I’d be happy with a Wisniewski pick there. Not sure what I think of Dowling; he seems like an inconsistent player from what I can find. Not a fan of early WR picks, and Hankerson is no exception. He seems like a Sims-Walker clone…why not just keep Sims-Walker, then?
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
good logic.
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by rhettchrystal on Feb 18, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Im really not seeing the Colts take 2 OL. My guess is they wont be drafting G this year unless its like the 5th round.
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I like Watkins a lot though
but with McClendon apparently expected to start they probably aren’t dying to add anyone else.
Of course if a G was BPA they’d jump on it imo.
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by shake n bake on Feb 17, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
I think Watkins is a steal there, personally
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Castonzo, McClendon, Saturday, Watkins, Johnson would be a major improvement to the line.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Feb 17, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Even put Devan where watkins is then we got Link to backup either T and that is a much better line that this last year.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 17, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
and I think it's almost the end of the line for Saturday
he got abused in the Jets game.
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by shake n bake on Feb 17, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think so also.
I think he has one more year at least though. My feeling is they want to move McClendon to C if he can make that transition. I think they first want to see him at G though first. I think we should go two OL in this draft but besides OT I just feel it will or should be later though like you said if Value is greatest at G they probably go with it earlier.
Hey on a different note Im unsure on who has sent you there BPA cause some had only sent it to me and I told them to send it to you. If you need me to ill send you mine probably anyway I guess cause we just got a chargers rep maybe.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 17, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
1. do you have it in a spreadsheet or just e-mails?
2. do you have an updated list of who you have lists from?
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by shake n bake on Feb 17, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yea its a spreadsheet just like the one I sent you empty when we started teh whole thing.
It has lists from everyone who is currently signed up. here ill go ahead and email it to you know so you can take a look.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 17, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Only one im waiting on is the Chargers. I don't have 5 rounds for everyone though but minimum 2.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 17, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, good stuff.
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by shake n bake on Feb 17, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Right im not saying the pick is bad as far as the player im just saying that
because of McClendon (though I didn’t mention him) I don’t see them doing so unless its for even more depth later in the draft.
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by TheAngelsColts on Feb 17, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Teams I need to research more:
New York Giants
Philadelphia Eagles
Carolina Panthers
Atlanta Falcons
Any others that seem like I don’t have a good grip on their needs and/or philosophies? Thanks for the help, guys.
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I'll help you with the Eagles
Andy is sometimes surprising with the picks but one thing is for sure
1. Andy will not draft a LB in the first. Of all the LBs on the roster (currently now as in not going to be free agents), 1 was drafted above round 4 and that was Stewart Bradley. Ernie was a first rounder, but a 5th was traded for him. Chaney and Fokou were both 7th rounders, Gaither and Clayton were 4th rounders, and Akeem Jordan was UDFA. That should show you our philosophy.
2. Andy loves drafting defensive lineman. Of all the defensive players Reid has drafted in his tenure in the first round (6), 5 have been either a DL or DE.
3. Andy also loves trading out of the 1st round (did it in both 2007 and 2008)
4. Andy puts a lot of faith into the players he grooms through his coaches
5. Honestly, don’t expect to have a clue what he is going to do because Andy is more random than a black man showing up at a gay klu klux klan meeting with Hispanic participants along the Canadian borderline.
No bakesale?
Not random enough.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 17, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Giants
Needs: OLB, OL, CB, RB in that order.
But the Giants will probably never draft a LB in the first round. If Ayers is there they might but I doubt it. Our GM doesn’t invest much first round picks into the offense but this year he may go OL with the aging line. Smith and Solder seem to be Giant type picks with upside and athleticism. CB is also a solid bet to be drafted in the first round.
We have absolutely no need for a DE. The logical thing to do is give JPP more snaps. Now that I’ve said that don’t be surprised when they draft another DE.
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Well honestly
Like i’ve said before
If Liuget isn’t there at #29 i do not forsee the Bears going Dline.
I could see them going CB though if there are no suitable Olinemen, as that is their second major need, but i do like the 2nd round pick
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by suckmyditka on Feb 18, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Also
If pouncey is available at 29 Bears will take him
I don’t see him dropping that far at all. He’s definately a top 25 guy
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by suckmyditka on Feb 18, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Lions.
You’re fairly solid on the first rounder, and while the idea of picking up a WR is in line with our needs, there’s much better value to be gotten in later rounds. I would think Det would pursue someone like Carter, Herzlich, or Matthews in the second as opposed to Titus, but I can understand why you wouldn’t project any of those three in the second. Going off what you do have going shortly after Titus, I could see Greg Jones or Hudson being pursued before Titus.
For the need that we have at WR, there is much better value to be gotten in later rounds considering who we pick up this year probably won’t start full time.
I'm all good with Denver's picks
Some people may want Fairley if he’s available, but I’ve been on the Peterson bandwagon for a month or so now.
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Newton to the Bills is getting really popular
I have no idea why, he isn’t even the best QB in the draft
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I don't like him that much either
I was trying to guess where I THINK they’ll go. The Bills have been notoriously awful drafters since I can remember, so I figured they’d make the mistake of taking Newton here. Could see him going to any number of teams though. Backup pick was Marcell Dareus.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not a fan of the Packers picks
I dont really want a WR in the first unless its Baldwin and they dont need to get another safety
You will LOVE Torrey Smith!!! Rodgers will turn him into a monster, trust me when I say this.
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but im not sure about torrey smith..hes a great player dont get me wrong but he has worse hands than james jones..he seems to catch most balls with his body..we could use his kick returning skills tho
by tmoneyttime1 on Feb 18, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Fairley at 4
almost makes up for the horrible Locker at 35. Almost. Probably just me- and I can’t really argue the need for a QB but I’d take Colin Kaepernick every day and twice on Sunday over Locker. God, I hate that guy. Others I’d prefer in the second over Locker- per your board:
DeAndre McDaniel
Rodney Hudson
Mike Pouncey
Danny Watkins
Nate Solder
Rahim Moore
Titus Young
Marcus Cannon
Did I mention how much I loathe Locker? That he’s the bastard child of Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler, with both of their flaws in aggregate?
by IgnatiusJReilly on Feb 17, 2011 8:48 PM EST reply actions
Tell us how you really feel IJR :P
I agree with you though. There’s no reason to take Locker at 35, and I’d prefer any of those guys on your board as well.
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I’d rather have Phil Taylor, Pouncey, Watkins or Wiz in the 2nd over Mallett, but I understand the value there if Shanny thinks he’s the guy.
I like it for Denver
although I would hope they’d pick up Fairley if he’s available.
Changing my sig again lol. Reports are saying Denver loves Bowers, but I really hope not. I have a lot of question marks on this guy. I'm personally hoping Denver chooses between PP and Fairley, but insiders are saying differently.
I really don't understand the logic behind this
Just because they have one Pouncey doesn’t in any way mean they want the other (lesser) Pouncey.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 17, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Actually it does
The big reason the Steelers wanted Maurkice so bad was because of his work ethic and study habits. I would be really surprised if the two were completely different in this area.
Also, as I have said before on here, the most underrated aspect of an OL is cohesion. When players play together for long stints they get comfortable and play better. A perfect example would be the Steelers OL that started to play really well down the last stretch of the season. Anyway, what better cohesion could you ask for them two players who, minus one year, have played together their entire life?
On many boards Pouncey is ranked in the top 3, if not #1, Guard in the draft. Maybe he wasn’t so good at C and his flexibility is not that of his brothers, but the Steelers already have his brother as a C. You are about the only mock draft I have seen with him falling that deep into the second.
by John Stephens on Feb 18, 2011 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
Good Niner picks.
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Denver
I guess I would rather have Fairley than Peterson at #2 if the Panthers don’t take him. But if we get Rudolf at #46 I’d be pretty psyched overall.
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I would like to see what Haley can do with Hankerson
Hankerson fits the bill as a guy who should be one the Chiefs radar. And to be honest, OT is the most logical choice in the first for the Chiefs. I doubt they go 3-4 OLB with the high bust rate that position carries so Pioli would go for the safe bet at OT. Now, as far as which OT, that is a big question.
As long as the Chiefs grab a NT in the third round, this draft would work.
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Cardinals
while I definitely agree that the Cards need more than just one OLB, to reach for Reed when there are some much more interesting players available is not a good call.
Solder, Pouncey, Kaepernick, Rudolph, Burton, Watkins would interest me a lot more.
Not feelin' the Lions 2nd pick of a WR
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