Mock Draft 1.0
1. Carolina Panthers- Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson.
Ron Rivera is a defensive coach. The Panthers built there success on Julius Peppers, and they could be extremely tempted to take Bowers as their new Peppers.
2. Denver Broncos- Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina.
John Fox is another defensive-minded coach. Patrick Peterson is a possibility here, but Quinn could provide a spark to a pass rush that only had 23 sacks last year.
3. Buffalo Bills- Cam Newton, QB, Auburn.
Chan Gailey passed over Tim Tebow last year, but Newton and C.J. Spiller in the same backfield? That's got to be too much for Gailey to pass up.
4. Cincinnati Bengals- Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU.
Jonathon Joseph could be gone this year, and Leon Hall is a free agent next year. Peterson is the most athletically gifted player in this year's draft, and the Bengals aren't biting on Carson Palmer skipping town.
5. Arizona Cardinals- Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn.
A 6'5 300 lb monster, Fairley had 11.5 sacks last year. No DT on the Cardinals roster had a single sack last year.
6. Cleveland Browns- A.J. Green, WR, Georgia.
Peyton Hillis showed last year the Browns can run the ball. It should only get better with Montario Hardesty being healthy this year. While Josh Cribbs is electric, the Browns need a true #1 receiver. Green will help Colt McCoy get better.
7. San Fransisco 49er's- Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri.
Neither Alex Smith nor Troy Smith could do anything with the offense last year. With the weapons at his disposal, Gabbert could be the 49er's QB for years.
8. Tennessee Titans- Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama.
New Coach Mike Munchak knows how important the battle of the trenches is. I do see a possibility of them trading back and taking Mike Pouncey.
9. Dallas Cowboys- Adrian Clayborne, DE, Iowa.
He's an upgrade over both of their starting defensive ends.
10. Washington Redskins- Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M.
Too much talent to pass up at 10. Should help Brian Orakpo get back to his rookie numbers.
11. Houston Texans- Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA.
He should help Wade Phillips transition to the 3-4.
12. Minnesota- Julio Jones, WR, Alabama.
With the news that Sidney Rice will test free agency, and the top 2 QB's already taken, the VIkings will draft his replacement. And then sign Donovan McNabb.
13. Detroit Lions- Cameron Jordan, DE, California.
Question marks at DE. An outside rush could be the last piece Detroit needs to make a real push for the playoffs.
14. St. Louis Rams- Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska.
The Rams need to improve their defense. Amukamara can help solidify the back end.
15. Miami Dolphins- J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin.
Mark Ingram is a possibility here, but Randy Starks is currently their best DE.
16. Jacksonville Jaguars- Nate Solder, OT, Colorado.
That offensive line is a wreck. They need to keep whoever is in the backfield upright.
17. New England Patriots- Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida.
I doubt the Patriots even stay here, but if they do, Bill Belichek goes to his favourite school and takes the best interior lineman in the draft. Logan Mankins might not be there for much longer, so Pouncey could replace him.
18. San Diego Chargers- Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri.
The Chargers seemed to do everything but win last year. They don't have much at DE right now, and Smith is the best prospect left.
19. New York Giants- Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple.
A really big presence at DT, can help shore up the inside of that defense.
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin.
This pick is more me wanting Tampa to pass on Ryan Kerrigan. Plus, Donald Penn is the only starting quality OT on that team.
21. Kansas City Chiefs- Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor.
Probably their biggest need is the inside of their defensive line. Taylor is massive and should be a great NT in their 3-4.
22. Indianapolis Colts- Cam Heyward, DT, Ohio State.
25th ranked rush defense. Heyward's a big body in the middle.
23. Philadelphia Eagles- Jimmy Smith, DB, Colorado.
Will line up beside Nate Allen for years to come.
24. New Orleans Saints- Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue.
I'll pass on both running backs. Alex Brown was invisible this year, and Will Smith could move to LE and improve his efficiency. Should help our rush defense.
25. Seattle Seahawks- Jack Locker, QB, Washington.
He could have been the number one pick last year. Seattle needs an upgrade at QB and Locker is very athletically gifted.
26. Baltimore Ravens- Rahim Moore, DB, UCLA.
Ed Reed is falling apart at the seams. Their back end is horrid.
27. Atlanta Falcons- Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland.
They miss out on Moore by one pick, so they get an explosive receiver to take some pressure off of Roddy White.
28. New England Patriots- Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh.
Wes Welker is a great slot receiver. Baldwin can be the outside receiver they need.
29. Chicago Bears- Aaron Williams, DB, Texas.
Charles Tillman is their best DB.
30. New York Jets- Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama.
LaDainian Tomlinson played well through the start of last year, but he's old. Shonn Greene didn't do much on his own.
31. Pittsburgh Steelers- Ryan Mallet, QB, Arkansas.
Ben Roethlisberger will be traded before the draft.
32. Green Bay Packers- Mikel Leshoure, RB, Illinois.
Ryan Grant missed most of this year, and they saw how tough it was to win without a running game. Leshoure can fix that.
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No think you on Heyward. And I would especially not want him with Castonzo, Sherrod, Smith all still on the board. Id take any of these three before DT. Only way id take a DT over OT in 1st round is if it was Solder left or maybe Carimi although id consider Carimi though he is still a RT to me.
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Heyward’s a big body in the middle.
Heyward is only bigger than one of the 5 DTs in the Colts rotation last year. Sherrod and Castonzo are much better fits.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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good point.
I didn’t look to even see if his reason made sense.
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 1, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ras-I and Paea are still on the board as well
I would easily snatch one of those two up over Hayward
by metal_militia on Mar 1, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think Ras-I in the first is a little early still don't you think?
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by TheAngelsColts on Mar 1, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
31. Pittsburgh Steelers- Ryan Mallet, QB, Arkansas.
Ben Roethlisberger will be traded before the draft.
What in the f…? Are you high?
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ummm
I dont understand your thinking on that one, Northfan. Roethlisberger traded before the draft? Why?
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 1, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
....
because with all the labor uncertainty, he’ll have too much free time and find his way into trouble again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
Definitely not going to be a problem
Since he should be getting ready for the wedding
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
IF (huge if)
Anything like that did happen, I imagine it would be at least for another 1st round pick in this draft (presumably Carolina or Arizona).
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Mar 1, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, someone finally got it right!
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
I believe that was McNulty’s job.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
by Mr MaLoR on Mar 1, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's assume the Steelers do trade Roethlisberger before the draft.
Is there any way that organization takes a flier on a coked out head case like Mallett??? That’s just an absurd pick
If the Vikings had a choice at 12
To either take Prince or Julio, it would be perfect trade bait. I don’t know if they would be able to pass the chance to take Prince though.
Yeah, No
This pick is more me wanting Tampa to pass on Ryan Kerrigan. Plus, Donald Penn is the only starting quality OT on that team.
Hahaha, good luck with that.
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The spark for the pass rush
will come when Doom comes back. The only reason people had Quinn top 5 recently was because he was supposed to blow up the combine, and he didn’t at all. At this stage, he’ll be lucky to be a top 10. I’d go with whoever you have as the top DT or PP
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Did you forget about Anthony Costanzo?
If he really is sitting at 29 the Bears will take him in a second
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 1, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions
Castonzo wont fall out of 1st rd
Like Lester said the Bears would take him, and after the Bears, the Steelers and Packers both need an OT so they wouldnt pass him.
And I dont like LeShoure for the Pack, they would take a number of players before taking a balanced runner (they already have 2 balanced runners Grant and Starks). Those players would be Castonzo, Brandon Harris, and Justin Houston.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 1, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see the Pack taking a RB in the 1st either
Grant and Starks will be a good combo for them
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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Mar 1, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
If any RB is taken it will likely be a receiving/srd-down type guy in the middle rounds.
B-Jax is a FA. Our ball-carriers (Starks and Grant) aren’t.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
Steelers wouldn't take him
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Cardinals
Calais Campbell had 6 sacks (led the team), Darnell Dockett had 5, Alan Branch had 2. It’s not real impressive, but it’s more than zero. Not sure where you’re getting your data.
Giants, Jets
I think DT is just about the last place the Giants will go. They have Canty + Joseph (last year’s 2nd) + Cofield (if he resigns – can be RFA tendered) + Bernard (backup of last resort) + Tuck (rushing on obvious passing downs). Some teams like to rotate DT. Fewell believes the starters should play every down. I don’t think the backups get more than 5 snaps per game. So if you draft Wilkerson, Joseph is a waste.
Jets drafted McKnight last year in the mid rounds (3rd or 4th?). Ran for 100+ yards when he got playing time against the Bills. Not sure it justifies another 1st round pick. Although Ingram is a huge value there.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Ed Reed is falling apart at the seams. Their back end is horrid.
Your sister’s back end is horrid, my secondary is not.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Im pretty sure Reed
had 8 INTs this past season in only 10 games. That’s not horrid. And in those games Reed didnt play, whoever did had to be decent.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
by BlackPack-fan on Mar 1, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
We were the top rated secondary while Reed was gone, and when he came back we fell off a bit while he was trying to get back int he groove of things, but yes he led the league in interceptions while only playing in 10 games.
Josh Wilson and Dominique Foxworth are two CB’s we have invested quite a bit in and look to be our future starting CB. Lardarius Webb has all the upside in the world and is only getting better and ask any Ravens fan about Chris Carr, they will tell you he was our best CB last season.
If all 4 of those guys come back next season along with Reed getting healthier, Ravens fans will tell you that CB or FS isn’t even a top 5 need.
I am not getting on the author of this post for choosing Moore with our 1st pick, I would love for that to happen. I was more upset with his dumb comment.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Dumb and all too frequent
Its amazing how many people seem to think that we have a really bad secondary and that Reed is either “falling apart” or is going to retire either this off season or next.
We had the #8 pass defense in the league without any pass rush outside of Suggs and Ngata and Reed has said that he feels better than he has in years because of the forced rest he had while on the PUP list. He also asked for an extension on his contract, not something that a guy wanting to retire would do.
Pass rush is a far bigger need than the secondary unless we dont re-sign our own FAs (which looks unlikely seeing as how heaps of guys who would normally be UFAs wil be RFAs as there wont be a CBA by Friday)
100% correct sir.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Offensive line a wreck?
That’s what happens when your promising second year RT goes on IR and you’re forced to replace him with Jordan Black. Defense early and often for the Jags.
Bowers?
they could be extremely tempted to take Bowers as their new Peppers.
Charles Johnson (Taking over for Peppers): 62 tackles, 12 sacks, 1 forced fumble
Julius Peppers (First season with Chicago): 54 tackles, 8 sacks, 3 forced fumbles
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Mar 1, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions
What happened to Tyron Smith?
An eclectic series of picks to say the least. The commentary is sure to get a response from Steeler and Raven fans, among others.
For the Lions, I personally like Jordan, but we have a good pass rush already with Avril and L. Jackson from the edge. Jordan is more a LDE and stopping the run than a great pass rusher. I don’t believe the Lions will pass on Prince A. if he is there.
"A lot of people have stayed 3 minutes in the ring with the bear, and they didn't do it by going at the bear. They did it by getting on their bike and running around. - Jim Schwartz 2011
Yeah, thats a terrible pick for theJ-E-T-S
not only because it looks like they’re bringing Tomlinson back but because it’s easy to find good RB’s later especially when you have about 13 other needs.
Bengals Have Pac-Man Jones
And still will have one of their 1st round Corners either way.
So i’m expecting NO patrick peterson.
1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Nick Fairley or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes!
I expet the Bengals to go front 7 with their first pick
Fairley, Dareus or Jordan.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
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I just think that your young crop of receivers
are better than everyone thinks.
However, with the Carson issue up in the air, they could take a flier on Gabbert or Newton. Mike Brown is so clueless, he’ll probably draft AJ Green, if he’s there, and hope for Locker or Mallett (fits the Bengals better, what with all the “alleged” drug problems and all) in the 2nd.
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
Doubled
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
- 5020 on my making the BTSC active (riot) squad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC0NCHq4v3I
I really don't want to go RB but sure if Ingram is there..
LT. Shonn Greene, Joe Mcknight, and Mark Ingram would hands down be the best backfield in the league.
DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart & Mike Goodson say hello
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Mar 1, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad Williams is on the way out.
"If only Flacco could put up numbers similar to Matt Ryan, or maybe just improve his stats year-to-year, he wouldn’t seem like such a wasted draft pick. It’s as if a young quarterback needs to put up better stats in his first three years than nearly every other quarterback to play in the NFL to justify a first round pick." - Amp
Despite the fact that there’s no evidence to support this, Williams has said he wants to stay in Charlotte, the team has expressed mutual interest in keeping him and Carolina would have more cap space than any other team in the NFL?
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Mar 1, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome.
Unless you’re switchng to the triple option or you are counting on Packer-like bad luck, I’m not sure that’s a great decision. Especially when it seems like half your team is getting cut and/or leaving.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
Explain?
counting on Packer-like bad luck,
You mean to run the Full house formation?
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by 4QB on Mar 1, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I meant unless he counted on his top guys getting hurt. The injuries and all.
Not understanding your post either. Sorry.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
Didn't GB run a full house backfield in the playoffs?
People stop this dance, Say damn this persons fascinatin'
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And I got the patience
2 FBs and 1 RB usually.
We had 3 FBs all year long. Ryan Grant, our runner, went down on game 1. Our rookie who was drafted to add depth behind Grant as a runner, was on PUP for much of the season. Brandon Jackson, our 3rd down back, ended up having to pick up those carries along with one of our FBs, John Kuhn, until Starks was healthy and ready to play.
Summary: we had a ton of FBs but no real rushing threat for most of the year.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
?
Carolina would have more cap space than any other team in the NFL
And in no way is LT’s washed-up ass, Shonn Greene & Joe McKnight (worthless) better than our big three.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Mar 1, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying if we got Ingram like this draft has us getting him.
And for the last time, you aren’t gonna keep Williams.
I don't think Wilkerson is a top 10 or top 20 player
and DT most certainly isn’t a need, the Giants have a Wilkerson on the team already named Linval Joseph anyway.
I do like Wilkerson tho and I guess you can’t have too many massive fats that can move like that (Joseph and Wilkerson are probably 2 of the most athletic 320lbs men in the NFL)
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This mock is horrrrrible
Giants don’t need any help at DT
What the hell is up with Ben getting traded before the draft…?
mmmmm.... delicious
Some rival fans wishful thinking on Ben
"SteelFever gets #93. Just like Ron Artest. Great game just keep an eye on him that he doesn't go into the stands after a fan."
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the draft lost all credibility when you said Big Ben will be traded before the draft
If you’re making a joke at least say so, but if you are serious don’t make mocks anymore. Ben is a changed guy and is a changed person.
by seton hall and steelers on Mar 1, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions
Okay, now who is joking?
As fans we have no idea if that is true or not. Since you are a Steeler fan you obviously want it to be true.
"A lot of people have stayed 3 minutes in the ring with the bear, and they didn't do it by going at the bear. They did it by getting on their bike and running around. - Jim Schwartz 2011
considering all the wacky shit that happened last year
wouldn’t be surprised if the draft shook out like most of this. Obv don’t agree with ben being traded, and if he does, definitely not for Mallet…which has concerns of his own.
2011 Dream Draft
1) Mike Pouncey, C
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Ras-I Dowling, CB
4) Mark Herzlich, OLB
5) >:(
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Alex Henery, K
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 1, 2011 5:41 PM EST reply actions
according to whose board?
yours?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Near as anyone could tell....everyone's board except for yours and the Jags.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
There's only one board that matters
also you and no one else have a clue about any team’s board from 11-32.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
How do they Lions
have question marks at DE, or need an improved pass rush? We need a corner, and two OLB’s. After that, possibly another saftey and a run-blocking guard and a power back. The Lions had one of the top pass rushes in the NFL.
The Few. The Proud. The Detroit Lions Fans.
Everybody do the John Wall.
Trust me...
Miami is fine on the D-Line. Starks is a Pro Bowler, Langford played better than Starks did all year, and we have a very sold nose tackle. Plus, we have last years 1st rounder Odrick coming back from injury, and our back-up DE (Tony McDaniel) ranked as one of the best 3-4 DE’s in the league last season. This draft is all about offense for Miami (Unless, of course, an elite defender somehow slips- then it is best player on the board)
In Pat we Trust
"Sorry if everyone thought we were going to go 82-0" - Dwyane Wade
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
Also,
you made Tampa pass on Kerrigan so he would fall to your Saints. If thats not fixing the draft to fit your desires I don’t know what is
In Pat we Trust
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"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore." - Yogi Berra
Not that great of a Mock draft
Never saw anyone have the Jaguars draft a OL in the first round and Julio Jones will not be avaible by the 12th pick then the ravens will not take Moore that early he is a 2nd round pick
by TheonlyJagsfaninSD on Mar 2, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions
Jimmy Smith will line up opposite Nate Allen for years to come?
Are you implying Smith will move to safety or did you forget and mean Asante Samuels?
WHAT A JOKE.............
GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD
D train to Bensonhurst Brooklyn BABEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pretty much agree with everyone's assestment on how terrible this mock is.
Steelers trading Roethlisberger? That’s in itself a joke but then to draft a guy who is rumored to be a druggie? Wow, just wow.
Proud fan of Pittsburgh's professional sports teams and the Pirates too.
by Black&GoldTrain on Mar 4, 2011 12:07 AM EST reply actions
I'm pissed he hasn't come back to defend any of this rubbish
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Mar 4, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions

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