Mock Draft - 4 rounds of ridiculous trades
I understand there's going to be a plethora of negative feedback: there always is with trades. Everybody here wants to trade back (and why not? MtD is all about finding value). With that being said, I wanted to screw around and try some stuff out, and see how a mock would shake out. Oh, and forget the trade value chart. If a team likes a player or wants to jump another team for one, they will ALWAYS overpay.
As always, feedback is much appreciated. Cheers!
FREE AGENCY
Arizona signs Marc Bulger
Miami signs DeAngelo Williams
Tennessee signs Matt Hasselbeck
Baltimore signs Nnamdi Asomugha
Jacksonville signs Sidney Rice
Washington signs Braylon Edwards
Chicago signs Lance Moore
Tampa Bay signs Mathias Kiwanuka
Oakland signs Tiki Barber
Dallas signs Michael Huff
PRE-DRAFT TRADES
- Eagles trade Kevin Kolb and their 1st 4th round pick to Minnesota for Minnesota's 1st and first 5th round picks.
- Giants trade Brandon Jacobs to the Detroit Lions for Detroit's 2011 4th round pick. and 2012 conditional (4th round if meets performance mark, 5th round if not)
- Cincinnati Bengals trade Carson Palmer to Arizona for the Cardinals' 3rd round pick.
- Washington Redskins trade Albert Haynesworth to Tennessee for the Titans' 4th round and 6th round picks
MOCK DRAFT
Round 1
- Carolina (2-14) Blaine Gabbert, QB
- Denver (4-12) Marcel Dareus, DT
- Buffalo (4-12) Patrick Peterson, CB
- Cincinnati (4-12) Nick Fairley, DT
- Arizona (5-11) Von Miller, OLB
- Cleveland (5-11) A.J. Green, WR
- San Francisco (6-10) Robert Quinn, OLB
- Tennessee (6-10) TRADE Philadelphia trades their first 1st and 3rd round picks to select Prince Amukamara, CB
- Dallas (6-10) TRADE St. Louis trades their 1st and 3rd to select Julio Jones, WR
- Washington (6-10) Cam Newton, QB
- Houston (6-10) Phil Taylor, NT
- Tennessee (6-10) Da'Quan Bowers, DE
- Detroit (6-10) Cameron Jordan, DE
- Dallas Tyron Smith, OT
- Miami (7-9) TRADE Tampa Bay trades 1st, 4th to select Aldon Smith, DE
- Jacksonville (8-8) J.J Watt, DE
- New England - from Oakland (8-8) Martez Wilson, OLB/ILB
- San Diego (9-7) Akeem Ayers, OLB
- New York Giants (10-6) Mike Pouncey, G/C
- Miami Jimmy Smith, CB
- Kansas City* (10-6) Justin Houston, OLB
- Indianapolis* (10-6) Anthony Castonzo, OT
- Philadelphia Ryan Kerrigan, DE
- New Orleans* (11-5) Mark Ingram, RB
- Seattle* (7-9) Brandon Harris, CB
- Baltimore* (12-4) Nate Solder, OT
- Atlanta* (13-3) Adrian Clayborn, DE
- New England (14-2) TRADE Dallas trades its 2nd round pick and a 2012 2nd round pick to select Muhammed Wilkerson, DE
- Chicago* (11-5) Derek Sherrod, OT
- New York Jets* (11-5) Corey Liuget, DE
- Pittsburgh* (12-4) TRADE New England trades Pittsburgh its 1st 2nd round pick and 1st 3rd round pick to select Cameron Heyward, DE
- Green Bay* (10-6) Gabe Carimi, OT
Round 2
- Pittsburgh Marcus Cannon, G
- Buffalo (4-12) Jake Locker, QB
- Cincinnati (4-12) Rahim Moore, FS
- Denver (4-12) Aaron Williams, CB
- Cleveland (5-11) Marvin Austin, DT
- Arizona (5-11) Rodney Hudson, G
- Tennessee (6-10) Stephen Paea, DT
- New England Stefen Wisniewski, C
- Washington (6-10) Torrey Smith, WR
- Houston (6-10) Quinton Carter, S
- Minnesota (6-10) Ben Ijalana, OT
- Detroit (6-10) TRADE Cincinnati trades both 3rd round picks, and a 2012 3rd to select Christian Ponder, QB.
- San Francisco (6-10) TRADE Atlanta trades their 2nd, 4th, and 2012 4th to get Kyle Rudolph, TE
- Denver - from Miami (7-9) DeAndre McDaniel, S
- St. Louis (7-9) Bruce Carter, OLB
- Oakland (8-8) Ras-I Dowling, CB
- Jacksonville (8-8) Brooks Reed, OLB
- San Diego (9-7) Jonathon Baldwin, WR
- Tampa Bay (10-6) Nate Irving, ILB
- New York Giants (10-6) TRADE Seattle trades 2nd and 5th to pick Ryan Mallet, QB
- Indianapolis* (10-6) Tyler Sash, S
- Philadelphia* (10-6) Sam Acho, DE
- Kansas City* (10-6) Leonard Hankerson, WR
- New Orleans* (11-5) Mason Foster, OLB
- New York Giants Mikel Leshoure, RB
- Baltimore* (12-4) Titus Young, WR
- San Francisco Colin Kaepernick, QB
- New England* (14-2) Ryan Williams, RB
- San Diego - from New York Jets* (11-5) Demarco Murray, RB
- Chicago* (11-5) Christian Ballard, DE/DT
- Pittsburgh* (12-4) Jerrell Powe, NT
- Green Bay* (10-6) Dontay Moch, OLB
Round 3
- Carolina (2-14) D.J. Williams, TE
- Detroit Davon House, CB
- Denver (4-12) Quan Sturdivant, ILB
- Buffalo (4-12) Allen Bailey, OLB
- Detroit Mark Herzlich, OLB
- Cleveland (5-11) Johnny Patrick, CB
- Dallas (6-10) Brandon Burton, CB
- New Orleans - from Washington (6-10) Curtis Brown, CB
- Houston (6-10) TRADE NY Giants trade 3rd, top 4th, and 6th to select Greg Jones, OLB
- Pittsburgh Deunta Williams, FS
- Detroit (6-10) Randall Cobb, WR
- San Francisco (6-10) Kendric Burney, CB
- Tennessee (6-10) Kelvin Sheppard, LB
- Dallas Ryan Williams, RB
- Miami (7-9) Shane Vereen, RB
- Jacksonville (8-8) Robert Sands, S
- Oakland (8-8) Demarcus Love, OT
- San Diego (9-7) Jabaal Sheard, OLB
- Houston K.J. Wright, OLB
- Tampa Bay (10-6) Marcus Gilbert, G
- Tennessee Clint Boling, G
- Kansas City* (10-6) Kenrick Ellis, NT
- Indianapolis* (10-6) Drake Nevis, DT
- New Orleans* (11-5) Sione Fua, NT
- San Diego - from Seattle* (7-9) Jurrell Casey, DE
- Baltimore* (12-4) Chris Carter, OLB
- Atlanta* (13-3) Lee Ziemba, OT
- New England* (14-2) Jerel Jernigan, WR
- Chicago* (11-5) John Moffitt, G
- New York Jets* (11-5) Ian Williams, NT
- Pittsburgh* (12-4) Chimdi Chekwa, CB
- Green Bay* (10-6) Greg Little, WR
Round 4
- Carolina (2-14) Jarvis Jenkins, DT
- Seattle Tandon Doss, WR
- Buffalo (4-12) Jason Pinkston, OT
- Cincinnati (4-12) James Brewer, OT
- Cleveland (5-11) Greg Romeus, DE
- Arizona (5-11) Joseph Barksdale, OT
- Minnesota Chykie Brown, CB
- Houston (6-10) Lawrence Guy, DE
- Minnesota (6-10) Terrell McClain, DT
- Houston DeMarcus VanDyke, CB
- San Francisco (6-10) Owen Marecic, FB
- Tennessee (6-10) Will Rackley, G/OT
- Dallas (6-10) James Carpenter, OT
- Miami (7-9) Kristofer O'Dowd, C
- St. Louis (7-9) Daniel Thomas, RB
- Oakland (8-8) Ronald Johnson, WR
- Jacksonville (8-8) Andy Dalton, QB
- San Francisco - from San Diego (9-7) Pierre Allen, DE
- Miami Austin Pettis, WR
- New York Giants (10-6) Luke Stocker, TE
- Kansas City* (10-6) Brandon Fusco, C
- Indianapolis* (10-6) Jacquizz Rodgers, RB
- Philadelphia* (10-6) Justin Boren, G
- Jacksonville - from New Orleans* (11-5) Greg Salas, WR
- Buffalo - from Seattle* (7-9) Lance Kendricks, TE
- Baltimore* (12-4) Bruce Miller, DE
- San Francisco Chris Neild, NT
- New England* (14-2) Martin Parker, NT
- New York Jets* (11-5) Ross Homan, OLB
- Chicago* (11-5) Josh Bynes, ILB/OLB
- Pittsburgh* (12-4) Colin McCarthy, LB
- Green Bay* (10-6) Curtis Marsh, CB
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Ravens
Not bad for Ravens. I like Wilkerson for Solder, but understand why you would go OT in the first. Don’t think we would sign Asomugha because he would cost too much. We are trying to re-sign Ngata and want to get Flacco a new contract before the season is over. We will probably re-sign Wilson and carr then might have to re-sign McClain and Dawan Landry as well.
well you could let one of those CBs go with Asomugha, right?
And also heard that you guys were trying to resign Flacco not this year, but next. Its also an uncapped year. And Asomugha wanted to play on a team with an aggressive defense that had a winning record. The Ravens definitely fit the bill in that regard.
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 24, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I definitely would love him to be on the team, but I just don’t see us giving him the kind of money he wants and think we will be focused on getting some of the other guys re-signed. We definitely would love to have him in baltimore though.
yeah, i doubt there's ANY team that can pay that much for him...
with the way things are going, I wouldn’t be surprised if he took a paycut…hmm who knows
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 24, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
as a steelers fan that would suck..
but i cant see it happening with all the money youll be paying Ngata. resign your guys and get foxworth back healthy and youll be fine. i think your CB needs are overrated
by steel.curtain.number2 on Mar 24, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Ofcourse you see the CB need as overrated
Steeler WR’s make plays in crunch time against the Ravens current crops of CB’s because of technique breakdowns. Why would you want that to change?
Asomuhga would certainly change the equation/dynamic a bit in games between the Ravens and Steelers.
I didn’t say I wouldn’t want Asomugha here, but I think he will be too pricey. Part of our coverage problems is the pass rush and allowing their WR’s to get down field. Also Landry is the bigger problem in coverage and can be a liability.
I agree with you
I don’t expect Landry to return.
Did someone say he'd take less?
Why not come play with his good buddy in GB? No one would be able to complete a pass against us.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
The Lions won't trade that much for Brandon Jacobs thats nuts
No way possible would anyone with common sense do that. You can get a runner anywhere….the leading rusher in the NFL went undrafted. No way possible that trade is even a remote after thought….totally a Giants fan writting up that trade lol…nnnooo way possible would we want a washed up back up….even if he was a free agent
Detroit Lions Mock Draft
1. Aldon Smith DE Mizz
2. Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia
3. John Moffitt OG Wisconsin
4. Nate Irvin LB NC State
5. Stevan Ridley, RB LSU
I fail to see how this wouldn't make sense.
He was almost a 1000 yd rusher this season with the 2nd highest YPC (behind only Jamaal Charles). Your view of Jacobs as a washed up backup is false.
He’s also a ridiculously good complement for Jahvid Best. Jacobs can wear down defenses while Best kills ‘em in the 2nd half. He’s also an incredibly good pass blocker, which gives Matt Stafford even more protection. He’ll add another dimension to your offense.
Giving up only a 4th and at most another 4th is not a bad price at all.
"I may be drunk, miss, but in the morning, I will be sober and you will still be ugly."
-Winston Churchill
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 31, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Seahawks
Love the first 2 rounds, but not sure about a WR in the fourth. What about an OT or OG? Seems like a bigger need to me. Also, what do you think about the hawks landing Gallery in FA?
Seahawks wouldn't draft Harris. Especially in the first round.
Dunno why people keep having them pick him.
Agree Completely
You are absolutely correct on the Harris comment — too small. Why would the Seahawks give up a 5th to move up five spots for Mallett — I do not see any of those teams taking a QB.
Agreed
Also, this draft doesn’t have any DL or OL picked in the first 4 rounds. Pete made a point in the end of the season press conference that he wanted to focus on building the lines. I can’t see the Hawks pass on the DL here.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Mar 24, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i guess you're right
Forgot Harris was on the short side. What position do you see the Hawks targeting if they don’t go CB or QB? OL?
I do think that it will probably be Jimmy Smith if he's available.
They’re reportedly very interested in him and Carroll’s not one to pass over a guy due to character concerns.
Jimmy Smith wasn't available in this one, but point noted.
Anyone in particular you guyys would take given the board?
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
DL (DT or 5-tech), OG or OT
Solder, Wilkerson, Sherrod, Carimi, Austin, Hudson, etc would all make sense.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Mar 25, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Great that you have trades in here and it's interesting but the Pats...
(and no one else) would give up a low third rounder to move up two spots. Especially not too spots that late in the first round. There is a chart of accepted draft values and that would cost them a fifth rounder at most.
I hope BB uses all the picks. If you have a shot at a super bowl then you take it. It’s about rings.
Would love to see the Pats trade up to saaaay the 8th pick for a chance at a big impact player at position of biggest need – pass rush. Maybe even Fairley could drop to them and they’d have a big time end again the way Seymour played.
Great ideas… That point is worth making though my man. Peeace, tjw
Ya, I agree
Also, having the 1st pick on the 2nd day adds more value to that pick so trading a third rounder in addition is too high a price
by Always Sunny Next Year on Mar 24, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Understandable, now that I look at it again, it is a bit hefty and Un-Belicheck like
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Thought about this. I want to start a movement... Pats TRADE UP and draft FIVE IN FIRST TWO ROUNDS
Thought about this. I want to start a movement… Pats TRADE UP and draft FIVE IN FIRST TWO ROUNDS
It can be done. We can start the movement here.
They are close to a SUPER BOWL. Picks in the first two rounds have greatest chance of going to pro bowl type success (just scroll through the last ten NFL drafts on wikipedia and check the pro bowl coloring key to get a quick glimpse of this)… Pats want impact now and are already very young in backup areas. What do they want a bunch of late round picks for? More special teams add-ins? They have enough already after a high number-of-picks drafts in recent history. Plus Brady won’t be injury free forever. Now you go for it and now you go for FIVE impact players. Thoughts from community here? Can we start the whisper campaign here folks? Get this on PTI and we can win.
I’ve give a scenario that could possibly be done.
Trade pick #17 and two 3rd rounders (plus another later 6th rounder if necessary) to Tenn for the #8 pick. Draft Fairley or whomever other big impact guy drops (Patterson if he’s actually there just because he looks so great or the Clemson DE Bowers). Use this impact DE pick to cover a big part of the biggest need – elite rusher like Seymour was.
Then trade a fourth rounder to move from #28 to about #23/#24/#25 to get a Pouncey-type impact guy at that slot (shoring up the O-line that was exposed by the Jets).
Then wait for the #33 pick to roll around. Awesome to have this next day pick… And BTW BB should be willing to trade up two slots or so to get a Heyward if he thinks he needs to but if you check sportznutz.com you can see this is commonly regarded as a 20 pt move (or a mid- sixth rounder)… Get that Heyward if for some reason you needed to get a Quinn around #8 (because #8 wasn’t available and you had to settle for a #10 or #11 impact guy (which Quinn really could be). So shore up that second rush guy to really make sure you didn’t get a Gholston-type pick that won’t really make an impact (imagine the Jets if he had been good?). Pass rush is key and we should no longer accept poor to average pass rush.
Now we are flexible here in all this action besides the #8-#11 guy we need definite impact from. We either have a Fairley-Pouncey-Houston (at around #33) type trio (get BPA for a position of need with last few picks here)… It might be a Quinn-Heyward-Wisnewski type trio. Or a Fairley-Kerrigan-Castonzo trio to hit close to the same need (shift OL future emphasis a little differently if this is the stud that drops).
We still would really benefit from giving Brady some guys to take pressure off the mulit-cornerback defenses that teams might throw at him now that the Jets used it well against the Pats in the playoffs.
(Need to say BTW – These previous three guys would be an awesome draft but we can do even better.)
Give Brady a genuinely dangerous weapon out of the backfield that can block jailbreaking DL guys (like the Jets put on him) and we are really cooking with gas. If Ingram slips because the Dolphins need a QB and everyone else is drafting for need into the mid-20’s then go for him. Make these trade-offs but just do make sure you get passrushers in high picks.
Get a M Ingram or a Leshoure if you wait to make that fourth pick around this area of the draft. Trade up again using next years 2nd rounder and get into early 2nd round for this runner that doesn’t fumble (a great MI strength) and can block and catch well. Remember what Brady did with Woodhead? Love that guy but he could pass himself off as a FootLocker employee (and he even did if you saw the YouTube video he was sport enough to participate in). Brady could kill teams with a more dangerous guy in there.
Then use that last 2nd rounder to get whatever tall-ish speed receiver drops. A Hankerson or even Pitt WR Baldwin will drop and the Pats will be there. We need an anti-Moss who will run a post or flag or go route with gusto every down and who will really stretch the D. It’s a true need if we want to stay on top. Watch the Jets game. Pats are in slight danger of giving other teams a blueprint to beating us.
Use the fourth rounder for a future OT tackle to help Light. Use last late rounder or two to get one more desired position secured.
Ideal that I challenge BB to grab: Fairley and Houston to get pass rush and energize D. We could really help all our DBs with more pass rush. And then Pouncey (have a great feeling about him), Leshoure, and Hankerson. Another OT for later (but likely to ride pine forever as many late round pics do). If Leshoure could be made into an Ingram then I’ll bow down to BB. Do-able to get this type of core group.
That’s five starters or near starters. That’s a real draft. I’m going to buy a page in the Globe. Go big like Theo Epstein has. Go Pats.
I like Greg Jones
but the last time we traded up for a midget we got Sinorice Moss, who I also liked when he played at the U
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
touche sir
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Redskins
First off, you forgot to give us the Titans’ 4th rounder that you stipulated in the AH trade.
About the picks, I don’t like to see mocks that go QB and WR in the 1st 2 rounds. This fails to address any of our most glaring weaknesses, namely along our OL and in our defensive front-7. It seems a bit foolish to sign Braylon Edwards and then draft a WR while drafting no help on the OL or defense. I won’t criticize you for the Cam Newton pick, because I realize it is a very popular mock selection, but I sincerely hope he’s gone by the time we pick or we pass on him.
yeah my bad about the 4th rounder, I forgot
as for the actual draft, I didn’t think your defense was THAT bad last year…I’m thinking it was more the players trying to adjust to the scheme. I do understand about the Oline though.
My main thing with the Redskins was gettting cam newton to learning from donovan mcnabb, and by next year, he’ll have two extremely talented WRs there to give him help. With you guys losing portis, torain oft injured and I personally think Santana is gonna run out of gas soon, your offense needs help in the worst way. Still, though, I understand why you’d pick the lines cuz everything starts up front.
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Your reasoning makes sense.
Except for the McNabb part. He has a huge roster bonus for the 2011 season. It seems highly unlikely that we keep him around and pay him that bonus.
Buc's trade.
I really could see the Buc’s trade up for one of the elite DE’s. I’m just not sure if Smith is better than Kerrigan. Now if Bowers or Quinn start to fall I think they will move up.
I also have the bucs signing kiwanuka.
Smith is a freak, and I think he’d a monster a la Jason Pierre Paul if he’s behind kiwanuka and stylez g white. This pick was more about upside than anything else, and smith would’ve definitely have gone with NE, San Diego, and Jville picking
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
liking this
Sidney Rice to the Jags I would love to see that happen
Not so sure about Palmer trade for 3rd round more likely 2nd round
But other than that I like it
by TheonlyJagsfaninSD on Mar 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions
Colts
Like the first two picks, though second may be a bit high for Sash. Not crazy about Nevis in the third. He’s a 3-tech DT and the Colts really need a 1-tech. Fua is a much better pick. The Colts won’t pick Rogders. Indy seems pretty dedicated to bringing back Addai and that produces a solid stable of RBs. The Colts’ run problems are due to the O-line and not the backs. Plus, Rodgers doesn’t fit what they look for in a back. Assuming there are no O-linemen worth taking, it’d probably be an attempted trade or looking to build depth somewhere on D
Jenkins is there too who I'd LOVE in the 3rd.
Don’t like the Rodgers pick either. Colts RBs need to pass block well and he just doesn’t have the mass for it. If he was magically plopped onto the roster they’d probably only use him at WR and returner like Brandon James last year.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Man is still the most extraordinary computer of all and women are even cooler" JFK
by shake n bake on Mar 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah from what i've been hearing, Sash is rising fast up boards, and you def
will not get him when you pick in the 3rd so i gave him to you guys there. And my bad about Nevis, simply forgot that he wasn’t a 1 tech. Also, in regards to rb, what rb at that juncture would be a better pick? A bigger guy i guess?
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
well they seem like they are going to make a real effort to keep Addai
put a first round RFA tender on him, which probably won’t mean anything under the new CBA but shows they are willing to pay him a solid chunk of change. So I don’t think RB will be a significant need.
With OT, S, and DT taken care of I’d be looking for another O-lineman or maybe a corner. Jalil Brown is there who I really like as a mid-rounder.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
"Man is still the most extraordinary computer of all and women are even cooler" JFK
by shake n bake on Mar 25, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Steelers
I’d rather them take Rahim Moore or Aaron Williams in the first, since CB is a bigger need and the talent is about similar with Cannon IMO.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
And Marcus Gilbert
instead of Duenta williams in the 3rd. Keep those Florida boys together
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
solid, i'll keep that in mind for sure
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You have RB Ryan Williams listed twice
2.28 New England and 3.14 Dallas
Statistics do not tell the whole story, not even close.
D'oh!
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
1.22. Indianapolis* (10-6) Anthony Castonzo, OT
I wouldn’t be surprised if Sherrod is the pick instead, but there’s no fault with this. Castonzo could very well be the pick if he reaches the Colts, which isn’t looking like a certainty these days, your mock notwithstanding.
2.21. Indianapolis* (10-6) Tyler Sash, S
Whereas this pick is questionable, because Sash looks lacking in speed and athleticism to merit a second round selection. I think he’s going to fall farther in the Draft than many expect, maybe the Colts draft him later on, or maybe they don’t draft him at all and it’s no big deal whatsoever.
As for who they might take instead, in this scenario with the players available, I’d probably say it’s Mikel Leshoure. He seems to hit every mark they look for except for sub-4.5 speed, but they’ll likely overlook it in the 2nd round and with his size and ability (including pass-catching).
They could also consider Danny Watkins, who you don’t have in your mock but will be drafted by some team in the second round come April 29. Luke Stocker is likely to be a second round pick as well, wouldn’t be surprised if the Colts are one of the teams that have him ranked that highly given his intelligence, his character, his size, and his ability. Also Leonard Hankerson, although I think he and Leshoure are unlikely to reach the Colts’ pick.
3.23. Indianapolis* (10-6) Drake Nevis, DT
Fantastic value in the 3rd round but doesn’t change the problem. I don’t think Nevis is on their draft board due to lack of intelligence and maybe concerns about him not playing up to snuff until his senior year. The Colts look for players who fit their system/team, and for all of Nevis’ physical talents, he doesn’t seem to fit.
Who instead? I’d probably point to Jarvis Jenkins of Clemson. I’m hoping he’s there at the Colts’ 3rd round pick but I’m not expecting it, but he’d be a good tackle for them to add with his combination of size, stamina, quick first step, and run-stopping ability. Although ideally they may be looking for a shorter 1-technique, for better leverage, and there is a guy I have my eye on. But if the Colts are unable to re-sign either Daniel Muir or Antonio Johnson, Jenkins could be a viable candidate to start.
The aforementioned Luke Stocker could be another consideration here, although I’ll be surprised if he falls this far come Draft Day Two.
4.22. Indianapolis* (10-6) Jacquizz Rodgers, RB
Could be a fit and the value is great, although Jordan Todman (who I didn’t spot in your mock) might be ranked higher on their board, but Todman could/would be taken earlier. Good call not putting Kendall Hunter here though, he doesn’t have the intelligence.
Statistics do not tell the whole story, not even close.
thank you for the reply
everything you said makes sense, and it’ll help me out a great deal haha though i’m unsure why you would be looking at any TE’s. Don’t you have 2 very good ones already?
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Colts love two TE sets
I basically treat TE as two positions with 1.5 starting spots when looking at the Colts roster. There’s the TE/slot guy who is a full time starter (Dallas Clark and Jacob Tamme) and the in-line TE who’s PT varies depending on the gameplan, but sees a good deal of time on average (Brody Eldridge and, ick! Gijon Robinson).
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Mar 25, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Shake nails it
(Especially that ick, Gijon Robinson part! But hey, he can tell his kids he played in the NFL.)
The Colts need that #2 inline tight end, and the Colts did draft Brody Eldridge (2010 5th round draft pick from Oklahoma) last year. He might be that guy, he dealt with a rib injury that affected his rookie season, and he is raw as a receiving option as he was the complementary inline tight end to Jermaine Gresham. (Similar situation to the Colts, they don’t really like to project players.) Not sure if having him will stop the Colts from potentially considering Stocker.
Also note that Tamme is in the last year of his rookie contract, so he’s a free agent after 2011, and I wonder if Fort Worth didn’t make himself an opportunity and some money on a free agent contract with how he stepped in for Dallas Clark last season. And come June 2012, Dallas will be 33 years old and has dealt with some injuries in his career, so it could prove very beneficial to draft and develop Luke Stocker as that immediate inline tight end who can also contribute in the passing game for Peyton.
Would especially like to see 6-5/258 Stocker running routes down the seams instead of Austin Collie, so as to hopefully preserve Collie’s career (he can awesome and highly productive if healthy).
Statistics do not tell the whole story, not even close.
Good picks for Baltimore, I wouldn’t mind that draft at all. But the Ravens signing Asomugha? Not sure that is going to happen man. While I would LOVE it, we just have too many other priorities to take care of like Ngata, Flacco, Rice, Grubbs and so on. But if Ozzie made that move, man would it be a dream come true.
One more thing, you have Arizona signing Marc Bulger AND trading for Carson Palmer? Don’t think that would happen with Arizona, they would just keep one of them as their starter.
"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow
bleh, made a lot of mistakes...will spend some time editing it and reposting haha
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 24, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Saints have 4 starting corners...why do we need another?
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Love Dareus
hate Aaron Williams, not really that great, I’d prefer Marvin Austin there, Austin-Dareus would be a beast DT tandem. I think McDaniel has established himself as a 3rd rounder, so there may be a bit of a reach. I like Sturdivant in the 3rd.
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Eagles
I like the trade for Kolb to move up and take prince, but there is no way we would leave the first round without grabbing some help for our O line with Solder on the board, I think Mudd can take him and turn him into something amazing. Also, we have an above average D line already, why throw more DE’s in there the first two rounds when we have other, more pressing needs?
If Kerrigan is there at 23...
I’ll get my oline covered in the second.
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by no1pipelayer on Mar 26, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not taking two DEs in the first two rounds though.
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by no1pipelayer on Mar 26, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol bengals traded their 3rds?
Man I’m not big on Carson.. but I think a team like Az with Anderson, Hall and Skelton would be willing to trade a 2nd for him.. and think that may be close to his value.
It would have to be atleast a 2nd for Bengals to part with Palmer.. so be fair man even to the small market Bengals. :D
1st round draft wishes.
Bengals: Blaine Gabbert, Nick Fairley or AJ Green!
Cavaliers: Kyrie Irving and Harrison Barnes!
Would love if this is how the draft turns out for the Titans.
Bowers, Paea and Sheppard could really have an impact early. Only thing is I would hope for a QB somewhere. If we do get Haynesworth in a trade, I think Ponder would be the pick there instead of Paea.
yeah made a ton of mistakes with this one, but hey its the thought that counts?
i’ll try and fix my mistakes with this tomorrow haha
2011 Draft - NY Giants
1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR
by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 24, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Herzlich OLB B.C.
Ton of heart, maybe with a little more time might show the promise from a couple of years ago
I think he would be an ILBer
kind of a Tedy Bruschi type player, he is extremely talented, he was a monster in 2008. It might take a season for him to get back to 100% but if he does he would add a lot to any team he is on
Chargers draft
If they take Ayers in the 1st seems unlikely they also take Sheard (although it would be good value). I think they are pretty happy with Tolbert and Matthews at RB so I don’t see them grabbing Murray when Ballard DE, a big need is right there. Don’t see them taking Jurrell Casey to move to DE. They need a RT – Hairston, Brewer, Carpenter, Pinkston (so many choices). With all the trades AJ makes, it seems likely he moves down to pick up 4th and 5th round picks he traded away or tries to move way up to grab Bowers or WR (hope not).
Packers....yes, yes, yes, and sure
The best right tackle in the draft w/o doubt, a physcial freak that should add beef and become a sack machine (that gives us 2!), a raw but very fast and talented WR, and a good corner to develop. Love it.
I gots to put the team on my back, doo.
Absolutely.
This might be the best draft that I’ve seen. I can’t complain about any of the picks. And no RB!
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
Rams
Why wouldn’t the Rams just sign Sidney Rice in free agency instead of trading up and losing draft picks that makes absolutely no sense to me.
It's not a simple as saying "You will play for us."
The players choose where they want to go, and in this scenario it seems like the other team offered a better deal.
Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!
Green Bay Packers: Super Bowl XLV Champions!!!!
Ok I understand that and maybe he would choose Jacksonville over St. Louis but I still think we would offer more because if they picked up a WR like Rice then they could stay at 14 or even trade down and get extra picks. Also if they didn’t get Rice they will still not trade up for Jones we have to many needs to trade away valuable picks.
by bobhugehands on Mar 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts
In general, although you appear to be possessed, the trades and free agent moves are pretty good.
NE way overpaid to move up two spots. The Giants giving up three picks to move up seems unlike them, and IMO not worth it if we could have had Wright at our regular pick, who fills the SAM need.
Philly-Kerrigan. Really? What will they do with their 6 other DEs? You can’t bench Trent Cole, and they just used a 1st on Graham last year. And Miami drafted a tall, fast CB named Smith just two years ago.
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Vikings
Why is it that everyone thinks the Vikings are going to give up their first round pick for the overrated Kevin Kolb? This is not going to happen. Kolb has had TWO good games period. They were really good games against bad defenses but he still did it.
He has thrown more INTs than TDs yet many of the “sheep” just follow along with the dimwit media and prop up this guy like he is the second coming. Why?
If he was that good why is Philly getting rid of him? He is younger than Vick and should have more upside right? And Vick has a tendency to get hurt. Yet Kolb is getting moved.
Go figure.
I just wish some people would think for themselves. Kolb is not that good and has yet to play a full season but somehow he has improved his draft stock.
If the Vikings give them anything for Kolb it would be to swap first round picks this year and give Philly a 2nd in 2012. But even with that I would pass. I would rather draft Ponder or Locker or Mallett. In 3 years they can be just like Kolb.
Worth a higher pick than their original draft position without doing anything.
Miami
I think you kind of missed on more than one occasion with Miami. They currently have a very talented young and deep CB group and adding a first round pick is a little over the top. Also your 4th round pick of Pettis probably won’t happen as the team is looking for burners not bigger WR as they have enough of them already.
In this scenario I could see them going
1. Mark Ingram .. BPA and will still fill the need of a big RB with Williams providing speed
3. Clint Boiling .. they need interior line help and he fits the bill, doesn’t have to be a C as Incognito maybe able to fill that role.
4.a Andy Dalton QB .. don’t see him slipping this far but they would want to add a QB
4.b Lance Kendricks TE .. also don’t see him falling this far but he would be the complement that Fasano is missing
Looks like I'm disagreeing with the other Jaguars fans on here,
but instead of having us sign Sidney Rice, can you please NOT have us sign Sidney Rice? Do not want.
I like the mock for us a decent amount. Solid value at each pick. I’d personally have Ponder over Watt at 16, Sheard over Sands at 80.
Also, where is Edmond Gates? I have him above Sands at 80 as well.
Personal preference re-mock:
1. Christian Ponder
2. Brooks Reed
…………[/jump for joy]
3. Jabaal Sheard
4a. Edmond Gates
4b. Curtis Marsh
Props for the four rounds, and even more props for doing TRADES. So hard to predict, but it makes the mock more interesting! Good job on this mock.
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Very interesting Mock of the Offseason BBI. Recked you.
As a Lions fan, I like the trades that you had my team do, although I don’t like who you picked with those three third rounders.
Sticking with the positions you drafted, although Mayhew really does not work that way, I would take;
CB – Curtis Marsh over Davon House. Much higher upside and Lions won’t get an immediate starter down here anyway.
OLB – KJ Wright over Mark Herzlich. Sorry, I don’t share a lot of people’s optimism on Herzlich’s recovery. I would love for it to happen, and fully admit that he would fit perfectly on the Lions……if he is back to 100%.
WR – Greg Little over Randall Cobb. Cobb is more of a slot guy. Detroit is looking for a true # 2 WR so Burleson can man the slot. Edmond Gates could be another option too.
I don’t want to sound greedy, but I would love the Lions to make the trade with the Giants that Houston made. Then the Lions could take John Moffitt C/G in the third, Marsh with the fourth, and Henry Hynoski FB with the sixth round pick.
"I read one article, I said, 'This guy doesn't know what he's talking about,' " Mayhew said. "Then I read another one, and I thought, 'Wait a minute, they're all saying the same thing.' -Martin Mayhew 2011 regarding Draft Gurus.
a draft of crazy trades but the jets don't make one trade?
the jets are known for trading down in the draft. funny that the guy who posted this is a giant fan, and the giants make as ton of trades, even though i can’t remember the last time the giants made a trade
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"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jets trade down?
thats a joke right, they haven’t traded down once under Mike T. traded up to get revis, sanchez, and greene. Not to mention constantly trading picks for troubled players. give me one example where they traded down because I sure can’t find one.
when i ment trdade down i ment moving from 30 down
it was a mistake, but the point is still valid, they also traded UP for keller.
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
also if you ask most jet fans
they would take cameron heyward and brooks reed over who ever you gave us. i’ve also seen many drafts with phil taylor going to the jets at 30, so i don’t know how he got to 11. i also find it funny that the first O-Lineman is taken at 18.
"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengal
i cant spell a nosebleed
he's gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OLIE PEREZ IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jets
huge reaches on all the picks. And Homan doesn’t fit their system he isn’t a pass rusher which is what they need most.
LMAO
Brandon Jacobs isn’t going anywhere for a 4th. More like a 3rd and a 4th at the very least.
Rex Ryan... I salute you!
BBI you made up a BJ trade for a 4th?
I just saw Jdakings reply…yea watcha doin’ to you beloved Big Blue?
Who’s running the rock for us?
Hey nothings perfect though,keep trying.
Great mock draft, actually. The best I've seen.
One problem though, it makes too much sense. This is a “in the prefect world” scenario. Too bad the actual draft is never anything close.

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