Mr MaLoR's Three Round Mock Draft.

Pretty solid draft for the Seahawks

Your explanation correctly describes the situation at QB and OL and the picks all fit strong needs. Nice work.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Mar 25, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks. I actually thought Seahawk fans would be upset with the Mallet pick.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions

He's something of a scheme mismatch on paper

and he’s got to get over the off-the-field issues, but it looks like he’s being pretty highly scouted by the GM (at his pro day, scheduled a private workout). He’s got a big arm, experience in a pro offense, ability to read defenses and a higher upside than Ponder. We really need a QB, we’re probably not going to a top tier QB with the #25 pick and Mallett offers enough reward for the risk of taking him at #25. If he works out, great. If he doesn’t, he wouldn’t be the first late-1st pick that busted for us.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Mar 25, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Great explanation. Thanks man.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Pretty good mock

If the top of the draft went like that, I find this to be pretty believable.

As Chiefs fan, the only pick I would want to see different is Wisniewski in the second because we need the O-line help. But Sheard in the third would be fantastic.

by theaxeeffect4721 on Mar 25, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

I thought Chiefs fans have been saying you guys have the best OL in the league? That’s what I heard at least.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Its more about the future

our line did good last season, but the interior is old and broke down as the season went on. Right now we have no OCs, but even if Weigmann comes back (which I think he will), we’ll still need to groom a replacement for the 38 year old.

by theaxeeffect4721 on Mar 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Fair enough. I will remember that.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

second from the Chiefs

Excellent Mock and rec from me

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 26, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

wow

Dude great detail in this mock nice job

by Emillio on Mar 25, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks. I wanted to give an explanation for each pick so that people could at least see the reasoning for my pick when they disagree with it.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Colts

Sherrod is a good pick. It has to be a LT. Would probably opt for Costanzo over Sherrod, but both are ahead of Solder, Smith and Carimi in terms of fit.

Very unlikely to see a RB in round 2 (or at all.) I would say the odds are very high that Addai is re-signed. He is worth far more to the Colts than on any other team. Brown is a total bust, but they won’t cut him. Don’t use a 3rd RB much and wouldn’t spend a 2nd round pick to get one.

Moffit, is an ok pick. I can certainly see going back to the OL early and often. I’m not sure guard is a value pick though. I could see a Center or RT here.

One notable absence is SS. With Sanders finally being let go, it’s time to get a real starter back there. Bullitt can start in a pinch, but is not a difference maker. I would look at Tyler Sash or maybe DeAndre McDaniel (character?) in round 2 in place of a RB.

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by invisibulman on Mar 25, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions

I have heard a few Colts fans on here and around other media outlets speak of possibly taking an RB. Few guys on here discussed how much they like Leshoure as well, I think Shake was one of them, and he is the main Colts fan I have to please or else he will cry himself to sleep : )

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I like LeShoure, but I don't think he drops that far and RB isn't a big need if they bring Addai back

which they seem eager to do. It’s not a bad pick imo, just unlikely and of course RB becomes a serious need if Addai walks.

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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

I can agree with that. I like Leshoure well enough. He would be better than Brown and perhaps better than Addai as well. It’s just that RB is not a need position if Addai is re-signed, which I am assuming he will be. With bigger holes on the OL and middle of the defense RB seems like a bit of a luxury pick.

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by invisibulman on Mar 28, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions

wow

This is my favorite mock ever. Castonzo in the second and Ballard in the third? HELL YEA

by CaliCowboysFan92 on Mar 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

I knew Cowboys fans would like this one.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Redskins

I love this draft. Love it.

by CarverM on Mar 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

I am not sure Green will fall to 10, but he did in mine.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I would expect Shanny to trade back if Green lasted until 10,

but I wouldn’t mind him pulling the trigger at all.

by CarverM on Mar 25, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Then maybe Rat Snyder will sign Moss AND Owens to go with Green, creating what he thinks is the greatest WR combo ever created while also giving up 4 more of his picks for Hasselback and Kolb!

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't say the Lions have a great front 7.

Front 4 yes. Behind that? Ugh.

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Mar 25, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions

I like Carimi and Chekwa

not sure about Sheppard and I don’t think think they need to go so early to get him there.

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by Rorschach44 on Mar 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions

Wonderful. Thanks.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I kind of like the Packer mock.

But I think I’d rather have Castonzo in the first over Baldwin. Why do you have him falling so far?

Go Suns, Packers, Jays, and Huskers!

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by Omaha Sun on Mar 25, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions

I am not the biggest Castonzo fan. I think his run and pass blocking about both above average at best. But he has the frame to play either LT or RT and will only get better. I just don’t think he reached his peak as a college Tackle and falls into the 2nd. But i could see him going top 15 also.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I could live with that draft for the Lions

by msivits on Mar 25, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions

Yea, I really liked the picks I made for Detroit.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

A different Lions fan perspective.

I really don’t see the Lions taking Smith when Robert Quinn is still on the board. Quinn is a top eight talent and I can’t see Mayhew passing him by to make a small reach at a position that is a need. I agree with you about Smith’s character concerns. Mayhew will make up his own mind based on the face to face he had with Smith during his workout in Detroit.

Personally I prefer Wisniewski over Hudson, but I understand your logic. I think Wis is a better fit for Detroit than the smaller Hudson.

I am okay with Gates too. He is the field stretcher that Detroit wants across from Calvin. A little rough but with some work could do some good things with the Lions.

Overall a very good effort Mr M.

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by NorthLeft12 on Mar 28, 2011 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions

I would love this draft for the Packers

by Yankees10 on Mar 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions

Glad you liked it. I had ALOT of your comments saved throughout the 120 mocks I had on my comp from this site. I used like 5-6 of your comments to compose this mock, so you were a part of it!!!

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Awesome

its easily one of the best I have seen. Definitely worthy of a rec.

by Yankees10 on Mar 25, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Fair Enough,

To those who will probably just skip right through this part and not understand why I made the picks I made and just say “shitty picks”, screw off.

I will not say that these are “shitty picks”, In fact- I love it. Great work

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by 4QB on Mar 25, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions

For which team do you like?

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Bucs

Aye, business is business and money is money i never said we were friends.

by 4QB on Mar 25, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Buc's draft.

I like the picks for the Buc’s. I might go with Moffit or Sheard in the third. G or 2 DE have a higher chance of getting a starting spot than SS, but I wouldn’t be mad with Black.

by Pirate25 on Mar 25, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

Alright. I mainly was just looking at the site I had used for team needs and SS was a high need. Also remember a few mocks having a SS going to you guys at some point.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions

If Wisiewski is still on the board

The Chiefs will definitely jump on him. Jabaal Sheard is one of my favorite players and getting him in the third is an absolute steal. This is one of the bests drafts iv seen so far. Great Job!

by TAMBAHAWK on Mar 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks buddy!

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Ponder will not be there in the 3rd

I actually like Martez Wilson in the 1st, but I prefer Devon House in the 2nd

Can't stand the truth?

by Aristotle45 on Mar 25, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions

Wow, surprised you actually like the Martez Wilson pick. I was preparing myself for the 2nd coming of the holocaust over putting him there.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Na I watched lots of tape on him, though

he’s a little inconsistent, he is an absolute beast against the run, he could rush the passer, and he has a little bit of coverage skills.

Can't stand the truth?

by Aristotle45 on Mar 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions

he had ponder in the 2nd..

by FgallosJAGS on Mar 28, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Originally I had him in the 3rd, but I moved him into the 2nd right after.

Real G's move in silence like lasagna

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Kaepernick over Ponder?

Never going to happen.

by FSUViking on Mar 25, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions

It would be a waste to draft a Webb 2.0 when

we just drafted Webb. I would consider drafting Kaepernick a waste of a draft pick.

Ponder will never be there in the 3rd either.

by FSUViking on Mar 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea, I kinda messed up a bit on Ponder, so I just put him with the team where I think he will end up. Moving him up into the 2nd or even first round would have screwed my whole mock up.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Fair enough

I understand Jax wanting to go hard after him. I can see why you tried to mock him to them, I think they will try and either trade down or up for him though.

by FSUViking on Mar 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Jets

I like Wilkerson in the first, but OT doesn’t need to be adressed that soon. If we go D-line in the first, I think we need an OLB in the third. DE/DT or OLB in the first, then the one we don’t get in the first should be picked in the third.

by JetKing55 on Mar 25, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions

Yea, I was hesitant to give you Brewer in the 3rd, but he was VERY high on my BPA list so I had to give him to you guys.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions

What are everyone’s thoughts on the run of LB in the mid-late 2nd round? I am not sure whether some of these guys are 2nd round picks or 4th/5th round picks.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:06 PM EDT reply actions

Just waiting for the Bengals and Cardinals fans to flip out. San Diego as well, I think I screwed them up a bit late in the draft.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions

I'm fine with the Steelers draft

Although I doubt Barksdale would start day 1, if Colon is back and/or Adams is healthy.

Great format by the way, I wish more people used the tables…it just makes everything so much easier.

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by John Stephens on Mar 25, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions

I am also in doubt if Barksdale will even by a 2nd round pick. I see alot of mocks with him going in the 3rd, 4th, 5th. But I like him.

I wish more people used tables also and stopped eating off the floor like they do in Pittsburgh.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

tables r nice

I liked the draft. Barksdale should be good, imo. I am not sure why he is going in the 5th in some mocks. 4th round would be a pretty big drop too, imo, but possible.
Kenrick in the 3rd is a solid pick, Harris too.

by tkired on Mar 26, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Kenrick is happy

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by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 26, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I read your intro and still i am goin out and saying the picks you made for the Jags are crap

1)Jags will draft the hihgest player on their board, and WIlson will certainly not be that. With guys like Watt,Ponder,Reed,Kerrigan(just to name a few) not only would one of those guys be BAP but would also fill needs.
2)Carter is a decent option, but given you somehow hoave Ponder still avaiblable at 49, he is the pick for sure
3)Chekwa,Sash,Sheard all seem to be viable options there

by Jagsrok9008 on Mar 25, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions

I will switch Ponder into your 2nd round pick then.

1)Jags will draft the hihgest player on their board, and WIlson will certainly not be that. With guys like Watt,Ponder,Reed,Kerrigan(just to name a few) not only would one of those guys be BAP but would also fill needs.

Your team has a history of reaching on players, bet you were saying these same things last year if someone put Alualu as your first round pick, and look what happened. Wilson is an elite talent and also fills a huge need for you.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

please do your research they do not reach they take the hihgest player on their board regardless of what the experts think of the player

I can ensure you WIlson will not be that at 16

by Jagsrok9008 on Mar 25, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I did do my research bud. I know he was high on your GM’s board. But everyone else thought he was a reach, including your fan base at first. Ozzie Newsome said after the draft that Alualu had a 2nd round grade on his board, and I will take his word over the Jags’ GM word all day every day.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions

exactly my point. the jags might rate players very differently than the rest of the league but they still stick to thir board

Martez Wilson is not going to be the best player available on our Gs board at 16. therefore he will not be the pick. It is THAT simple.

by Jagsrok9008 on Mar 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I think his point is that no one knows what the Jags' board will look like.

How do you know he doesn’t have Wilson high on his board?

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by Omaha Sun on Mar 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions

That's a logical explanation

“The Jags have a history of reaching for players” is not the same thing as what you just wrote, though. It is, in fact, unsupported garbage. Not to mention that Harvey was selected under James Harris’ supervision, not Gene Smith’s. The statement is pure trash.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 25, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions

All good. I expected some disagreement.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

its okay man, I support you lol

by vitzeng on Mar 26, 2011 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions

the definition of reach I think goes beyond what the team rates them

if you look back at the draft that Tom Brady was in, his value in retrospect would be #1 overall, but if I was a GM and i took him #1 overall everyone would say that I majorly overreached for him. Alualu has done well as far as I know for the Jags but that doesn’t mean according to the community (and just not to Jags fans and the GM apparently) that he wasn’t a reach.

by vitzeng on Mar 26, 2011 5:27 AM EDT up reply actions

My point is that you have no idea where Alualu was on other GM's boards

At least with Brady you know that they had him as a sixth-round pick. You have NO idea if other teams had Alualu as anything less than what the Jaguars drafted him as. The fact that Mel Kiper had him rated lower means literally nothing when you’re describing a player as a reach. I cannot with any certainty say that Alualu was NOT a reach, but you or anyone else also cannot say with any certainty that he WAS a reach, meaning it would be completely illogical to declare that he was a reach.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

and based on exactly what you said you guys can’t call Wilson a reach either. He may be on other’s boards, but he may not be on the jag’s board, so it goes both ways.

by AV23 on Mar 27, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not disagreeing with the selection itself

I’m disagreeing with his statement that “the Jaguars have a history of reaching for players.”

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 28, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions

I assume by that logic that you would not consider DHB a reach

or anyone in the history of the draft a reach, since I can’t really know where they were placed by the team

by vitzeng on Mar 28, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Pretty much

It’s near impossible to know. People want to declare picks a “reach” just because it makes them feel like they’re smarter than a GM even though they really have no idea what other teams are thinking.

When the Raiders picked Mike Mitchell in the second round the ESPN types blew their lids because they didn’t even know who he was. However, the rumor (from Mitchell himself) was that the Bears were going to pick Mitchell if he fell to them in the second round. Does that mean Mitchell was a reach? Perhaps. Maybe the Bears were the only other team that liked Mitchell that much, and all 30 of the others thought he belonged in the 6th round. Or maybe every team had Mitchell in the 2nd-3rd round range, and just didn’t feel like proclaiming to the world that they felt that way. We legitimately do not know. There is absolutely no usefulness in proclaiming that a pick is a “reach”; it doesn’t accomplish a single thing.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 28, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions

it sounds like you are disregarding the concept of reach to defend the Jag's reputation

the concept of reach is valid with or without knowing every team’s individual preferences

in responding to your assertion though, then yes, the pick was not a reach for the Jags, but I can fairly assume that other GMs did not have him rated as highly through the hundreds of other mock drafts available online (a valid conclusion since placing of players has generally followed mock drafts for years with a few surprises per first round per year). If other teams do not value him as highly, then taking him at where you judge him is less than smart.

by vitzeng on Mar 28, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I am not disregarding the concept of a reach within the actual GM community

I am completely disregarding the concept of a reach as far as everyone else goes, though.

the concept of reach is valid with or without knowing every team’s individual preferences…I can fairly assume that other GMs did not have him rated as highly through the hundreds of other mock drafts available online

Do you not realize how awful this logic is? It’s just terribly, horribly awful. GMs aren’t going to go out of their way to CORRECT incorrect mock drafts; they’re going to be HAPPY that the guy they want isn’t getting as much publicity.

(a valid conclusion since placing of players has generally followed mock drafts for years with a few surprises per first round per year)

Just because there are “a few surprises per first round per year” doesn’t mean those “surprises” aren’t great value picks to the GM community. You have absolutely zero way of knowing that.

If other teams do not value him as highly, then taking him at where you judge him is less than smart.

This is absolutely true, but again, you have literally no way of knowing that aside from getting a look at 32 GMs’ actual value boards from 2010, which will not ever happen.

Finally…

it sounds like you are disregarding the concept of reach to defend the Jag’s reputation

Yeah, that’s why I used the Raiders’ selection of Mike Mitchell as an example. EVERY team does this.

You seem to post a lot on the Panthers’ board, so I assume you are a Panthers fan. The Panthers traded their 2011 2nd-round pick for New England’s 2010 3rd-round pick in order to select Armanti Edwards. It would be irresponsible to call the pick a reach since it’s very possible that the next team on the clock could have grabbed Edwards with their very next pick. It is also possible that the Panthers are the only team in the NFL that had Edwards rated higher than a 6th-rounder. We simply don’t know. I don’t get why everyone feels they have to make some sort of proclamation; there’s absolutely nothing wrong with not knowing exactly what happened.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 29, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions

I’m just wondering what exactly is a reach? Based on your opinions I feel that no player is a reach because every pick could be justified by saying he was high on their board.

by AV23 on Mar 29, 2011 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions

The definition of a reach

is a player who one team has a lot higher on their board than any other team. The problem is that we as fans will never know who these players are because we can’t see the value boards. The concept exists, but it’s not something we can logically assign to players because we don’t know about which players the concept applies. Make sense?

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 29, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

I just wanna ask one question

Before last year did you think that it was possible for a team to reach for a player? Because I find it hard to believe all of the sudden all of these Jaguars fans don’t believe in the concept of reaching.

by Yankees10 on Mar 29, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Who said they all don't?

I am saying that I don’t, and the logic agrees with me. Think about it for yourself.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 29, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions

Most of the Jags fans on here don't

And by the way, I dont think he was a reach. At the time I did, but you cant call him a reach now after the way he played this year.

by Yankees10 on Mar 29, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions

i have never endorsed picking Armanti Edwards and I consider him a major reach, despite what Indy said they valued him at

and you misunderstood my first point because i summed it up too quickly. From the fact that I look at hundreds of mock drafts and watch players play, I can tell that someone like Patrick Peterson is top 10 talent whereas someone like Kendrick Burney is not. The players who go in the first round in mock drafts are most of the times the ones that go in the first round in real life. I noted that there were exceptions (e.g. Jimmy Clausen dropping and I would say Tyson Alualu jumping), but the point remains valid that mock drafts suggest a lot about where teams actually value players (and yes, teams value their players based on where other teams value them so they know when to draft).

From that, I conclude that to an overall consensus of fans, Alualu can be called a draft time reach, but I would concede that to the Jags front office, he could be a steal since admittedly we won’t know every team’s board. But denying the concept of a reach simply doesn’t follow if trying to defend Alualu – I can readily admit when my team has reached for a player and I would think that getting Alualu was one round too early for the Jags (though I do believe you guys lacked a 2nd rounder that year).

by vitzeng on Mar 29, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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But denying the concept of a reach simply doesn’t follow if trying to defend Alualu – I can readily admit when my team has reached for a player and I would think that getting Alualu was one round too early for the Jags (though I do believe you guys lacked a 2nd rounder that year).

I simply can’t comprehend why you don’t see that this is awful logic. YOU might think it’s a reach, which is fine, but there’s a HUGE difference between “I personally feel it was a reach” and “it was a reach”. Does that make sense?

the point remains valid that mock drafts suggest a lot about where teams actually value player

Completely disagree. Mock drafts are 100% based on where draft analysts THINK teams value the players. In no way does it accurately represent where they actually value players. If a team values Alualu as a top-ten player, but almoste every mock has him as a second-rounder, is it in the team’s best interest to tell the analysts “hey, you’re too low on Alualu”, or is it in their best interests to sit on the information and hope other teams don’t share their views? There’s a reason there are always picks that seem like reaches, and it’s because teams don’t share information on the players they like more than the analysts; they sit on the info and hope they can grab the guy themselves.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 31, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions

there’s a HUGE difference between "I personally feel it was a reach" and "it was a reach"

since you don’t believe in reaches, the statement “it was a reach” would be meaningless to you. But I assure you most of the NFL (except Jag fans and maybe people who like to see the Jags suffer) would agree in saying that Alualu could have been had later

your second point basically says mock drafts are pointless, which is a common theme among your arguments. Can it be a coincidence that mock drafts for the top of the draft and the actual draft share so many similarities? I’m guessing no, because scouts and draftniks look at the same proficiencies and deficiencies in players, they may just rate them slightly differently. These small differences does not necessitate disregarding mocks and they can ably tell me that the difference between actual and assumed value (i.e. 7th rounders aren’t worth 1st round picks and vice versa)

by vitzeng on Mar 31, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree that based on the logic there is no such thing as a reach and none of us can use the word reach. If I entered this draft nobody would know who I was, but if Carolina did and had me as #1 on their board then I would not be a reach because Carolina liked me? I just don’t see that as being logical either and nobody is saying Alualu didn’t turn out to be a great player and wasn’t worth it, but pre-draft I don’t think anybody so him going in the top 10.

by AV23 on Mar 31, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

You are misrepresenting my argument

I’ll shoot for an analogy. Let’s say you have an Adrian Peterson rookie card and a Darrelle Revis rookie card. Your friends don’t know much about how much cards are actually worth. Though they do know an Adrian Peterson rookie is going to be worth more than, say, a John Skelton rookie, they don’t necessarily know that an Adrian Peterson rookie is worth more than a Darrelle Revis rookie. Generally, an offensive skill player rookie is worth more than a defensive player rookie. With that said, unless you take your two cards to the card show and see which one buyers think is worth more, you have no way of knowing if the Peterson rookie really is worth more than the Revis rookie or not.

Does that make sense? The concept exists, but we’ll never have the information to prove it either way.

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by CaliforniaJag on Apr 1, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions

You're completely negating the possibility that NFL GMs saw something in Alualu that mock drafters did not

But I assure you most of the NFL (except Jag fans and maybe people who like to see the Jags suffer) would agree in saying that Alualu could have been had later

NFL analysts and fans, maybe. You have no idea what NFL GMs thought, and that’s all that matters.

Can it be a coincidence that mock drafts for the top of the draft and the actual draft share so many similarities? I’m guessing no, because scouts and draftniks look at the same proficiencies and deficiencies in players, they may just rate them slightly differently.

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by CaliforniaJag on Apr 1, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions

I did not suggest it was causation

I just said they were related – this entire debate boils down to me saying the Jags reached and you saying the concept of reach doesn’t exist

agree to disagree

by vitzeng on Apr 4, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions

YESS !!!!

by FgallosJAGS on Mar 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Laughable logic

Ozzie Newsome is one of 32 NFL GMs (disregarding the teams that use Directors of Player Personnel and the like as decision-makers as opposed to employing a GM). If Ozzie Newsome has a player as a 2nd-round pick, and 31 GMs have a player as a top 15 pick, which one is an accurate portrayal of the player’s value? You have no idea where Alualu was on other teams’ boards; he was around 22 on Jerry Jones’ board (from the pictures that were leaked), and you apparently know Newsome’s opinion, but what about the other 29 teams? Bill Polian and Bill Parcells were both on record as saying they really liked the pick. Word was that the Dolphins were planning on picking Alualu at 12 if he made it that far. Your logic in this case is extremely flawed.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 25, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok. Thanks for your “opinion.”

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

You misspelled "facts"

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 25, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions

My point is not that you're "wrong",

it’s that you don’t know where he was on other teams’ boards. At all. And that is an absolute fact.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 25, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I would say nobody knows who is on who’s boards. I really think pre-draft if someone told Jags fans they would be taking Alualu that everyone would be upset before the draft happened. He very well could have been high on your board and that’s why they picked him, but I think jags fans would be lying if they thought alualu really would be your first pick. I’m not saying Wilson is the best pick or not for you guys, but you don’t know where he’s rated on your board either. You can’t say he is a reach because general opinion before the draft last year was alualu would be a reach. The fact is nobody knows who is on what board and Wilson is easily the best MLB prospect in this draft who has the built and explosion to play OLB as well. I have seen a lot crazier things happen in a draft. By the way Malor those were perfect picks for the Ravens. I mentioned the other day that those 3 were my ideal draft.

by AV23 on Mar 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions

agreed

by vitzeng on Mar 26, 2011 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions

This has been my point

The reason we disagreed with the Wilson pick wasn’t because “anyone can be picked anywhere”; it was because to our knowledge, Gene Smith shares a belief with the GMs of the Giants and Eagles (likely among others): linebackers can easily be found later in the draft. That’s just based off of what we know about him. Could he still take a linebacker in the first round? Sure. Would it be wise to predict a linebacker to the Jaguars in the first round given what we know about Gene Smith? Probably not.

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by CaliforniaJag on Mar 27, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice job Malor, I'd be fine with the Giants draft

not a PERFECT one tho.

Gabe Carimi is a solid, solid pick, but if we are looking for instant impact, we would not go for a RT. If Carimi does indeed become the pick, it would be to groom him for the future. Kareem McKenzie had by far his best year, and was the top rated NFC RT by profootballfocus. The Giants “need” for a tackle is limited to LT because David Diehl blows and is much better suited to G. Even then, the need for a LT is also limited because we have Will Beatty as well.

My pick in this situation is Akeem Ayers. I know he falls to the 2nd round, but he’s the best 4-3 OLB in the draft, and he’d IMMEDIATELY upgrade the weakest part of our team.
This sets the stage for our 2nd round pick:

Stefen Wisniewski. Holy shit, if he’s there, we should be running up to the podium. The BIGGEST need for our OL is a C, and Wisniewski is the best pure center prospect. Shaun O’Hara is a perennial probowler but he can’t stay healthy. All his replacements are injured as well. A technician like Wisniewski would do wonders for our OL.

As for the 3rd round, completely agree with taking a CB. My personal preference is Jonny Patrick, but that’s just a difference in our boards, so it doesn’t matter. Perfect pick.

Solid job, bro.

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1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR

by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions

Great input buddy. Like I stated above, I had a tough time mocking the Giants, mainly because of the team needs website I used didn’t give you guys a bunch of needs.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

solid man...yeah we're a weird team to mock.

give us an OT, C, LB or CB and you won’t see anybody complaining. we all have our preferences as to WHO from these positions, but its dumb to complain about differing big boards anyway.

As a general rule, the Giants historically go for bigger, more athletic dudes. And defensively, priority is pass rushing haha. anyways, again, great job with the mock.

2011 Draft - NY Giants

1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR

by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Just don't give them Solder or Tyron Smith.

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by Omaha Sun on Mar 25, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions

That's more so Rorschach

I would not mind Tyron Smith at all. I absolutely do not want Solder though. Not a fan of Castonzo either. Favorite OT in the draft, personally of course, is Derek Sherrod.

2011 Draft - NY Giants

1) Akeem Ayers, OLB
2) Mikel LeShoure, RB
3) Jake Kirkpatrick, C
4) Curtis Brown, CB
5) ( ._.)
6) Henry Hynoski, FB
7) Ricardo Lockette, KR/PR

by BigBlueIntervention on Mar 25, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Agree on T, C, CB, LB as needs

And I had no problem with Carimi or Chekwa.

I did not like Sheppard. Although none of our LBs are great, the need is by far strongest at SAM, where anyone drafted will be anointed the immediate starter. Foster, Carter, Wright, Herzlich as possiblities, although only the last two have SAM size and Herzlich is slow. At MLB, Goff showed promise and we have Dillard, drafted last year, as another option. Add to that my personal belief and a pretty common consensus that Sheppard is not a 2nd rounder.

Not a fan of Wiz at center. Given your board, I would have went House, Foster, or Carter in the 2nd, and if you went House then Wright or Moffitt (as a center) in the 3rd.

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by ct17 on Mar 26, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Looking at the website you linked to

It doesn’t paint an extremely accurate view of the needs. It has Keith Bulluck as one of the “Top 2010 Contract Players” even though he did a fat load of nothing. It also has runningback as a 0 rating, despite the fact Bradshaw’s a free agent (which it doesn’t even state).

Still, your draft looks pretty good for us.

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by Willgfass on Mar 26, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions

And your 7 round mock was used alot in me seeing where players should go.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 25, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Nice list man for the Bengals.

The 3 pick is the only one im shady about..

But over:
1 Cam Newton: Correct MB is the owner. And Cam see’s like his guy.
2 Cannon: Idk if i’d go with him exactly but solid pick up for the position.
3 Williams: They seem to be talking to a lot of later/mid round guys like Delone, Tawian, Royster, Saine just to name a few. But the bigger thing is realistically the Bengals would not go 3 offensive picks in a row. DT or S would be the likely pick after 2 offensive picks.

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by C Byers on Mar 25, 2011 7:36 PM EDT reply actions

You should hope to be wrong

otherwise NE is gonna be awesome.

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by Cameron O on Mar 25, 2011 8:24 PM EDT reply actions

Once again great Mock Malor. It’s impossible to please every single team, but it seems like based on the comments that the majority of the teams are happy with the picks. Definitely one of the top mocks I have read on here.

by AV23 on Mar 25, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions

Smh

Another Mis-informed mocker. How do the actions of two separate people equal a history? If people behind them were going to pick him how exactly is he a reach? Idk, That doesn’t make sense to me but I ’m just a simple man so whatever.

Wilson is a terrible pick in the first at 16. I like the Ponder and Carter picks though.

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Mar 25, 2011 9:19 PM EDT reply actions

It’s sounding like Mikell won’t be back but I don’t think they will take a S until later since they like Kurt Coleman a lot

by The Legend on Mar 25, 2011 10:05 PM EDT reply actions

ravens

Good work. Second Pass rusher, WR capable of getting down field, OT-LOT or ROT. The remaining Raven’s picks should be interesting. Picking up two 5th round compensatory picks should give them alot of options.

by Captain who on Mar 25, 2011 10:11 PM EDT reply actions

It's incomplete!!!!

You have to add the Panthers’ third round compensatory pick!

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by Willgfass on Mar 26, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions

Haha, I posted this before that pick was announced later in the day. You guys can have Casey Matthews there.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions

Giants fan :P

Although I’d gladly take Matthews on our team

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by Willgfass on Mar 26, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Acho hung around a long time...

I’m not complaining, though. He’s a good pick where the Packers nabbed him.

Baldwin is a walking question mark, IMO.

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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Mar 26, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions

I agree that there are alot of questions with Baldwin, but none of them really have to do with his talent. I think going to an organization like Green Bay will do him some good character wise and Rodgers will love having a Brandon Marshall clone to throw to. GB is one of the few places in the first round that picking Baldwin would look good.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Very well done draft

I agree the Colts won’t go RB early if at all-try Wisniewski and Jenkins. Chargers 3rd round picks I suggest Sash or Sheard (Hunter won’t pick up Norv’s offense and they are happy with Tolbert and Matthews) then Williams (value) or better Patrick. My two cents.

by hagarwood on Mar 26, 2011 1:14 AM EDT reply actions

Funny how many people want Wisniewski. This is why these mocks are so damn tough! And the Chragers were tough to pick for, I couldn’t really pin point a bunch of huge needs on their team.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions

Charger needs

They clearly need a DE and at least 2 LB one inside, but possibly 2 and 1 outside. They probably will take a RT, a CB and a S, but not in round 1. Depending on how free agency plays out they may look at WR and TE. Sometime late they will grab a developmental QB.

by hagarwood on Mar 26, 2011 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions

fantastic draft

enjoyed reading explanations for other teams more than the ones for my own lol

plz don’t give us casey matthews with compensatory 3rd :) i think Lance Kendricks could work there

by vitzeng on Mar 26, 2011 5:29 AM EDT reply actions

I think my explanation for cam newton was in depth and accurate.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I like the Falcons pick

Though Clayborn’s character issues may scare the Falcons away, I really like the Carter pick and I love the D.J. Williams pick. Williams is gonna turn out to be a stud.

by saipol on Mar 26, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions

Wouldn't worry about Clayborn's character

Ferentz doesn’t hesitate to suspend starters for getting in trouble and he decided that the incident with the cabbie didn’t warrant one (while getting caught riding your moped drunk did the previous year for Kyle Calloway).

Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.

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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea, Clayborn drops because of his character issues. But like I stated in the explanation, going to such a well run organization like Atlanta will bring the best out of him.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 26, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions

clayborn doesn't have any major character issues

the cab driver called him the n word

by Josh Wehrle on Mar 31, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I really like the 49ers' picks

But I’d rather pick Ponder than Dowling in the 2nd.

But Miller is a great pick if Peterson’s gone. If both of them are gone Amukamara would be a nice pick.

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by mikeinsp on Mar 26, 2011 10:15 PM EDT reply actions

Miller is a Harbaugh type player. Too tough to pass on that guy if there at 7, he can make any group of CB’s look good with his pass rushing abilities.

As for Dowling, I know how good this guy is being that I follow the ACC. If he gets his health back, which it looks like he will, Dowling has a great chance to be a very, very good CB in this league.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 27, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions

we basically have 3 needs we must address....

you gave us our stud olb, now we need a qb and a cb. With mallett, locker, kaepernick, newton, and locker gone, the last remaining 1st-2nd round talent qb available will be much harder to pass up on considering the drop off between ponder and mcelroy/dalton/stanzi/devlin/etc. There are still a lot of good corners who should be available in the 3rd. Im not sure how happy 49ers fans are going to be going into this season with alex smith, carr, and devlin as there qbs. There are also some decent options in free agency, if and when a cba is signed for corners, much moreso than qb, where you basically have to give up a 1st-2nd to get any of the decent ones available.

by Session9 on Mar 27, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

other than that though

one of the best mocks i have seen, great job

by Session9 on Mar 27, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Outstanding MaLoR

I know you wanted to put in some different picks and I think you did a solid job. I am also warming to the idea of Julio Jones going before AJ Green simply because I think he fits the scheme of the Browns WCO more, and that I am sure the Browns will take one of those two.

As for the Steelers picks, not so sold on the idea of Brandon Harris when Castonzo is still on the board, you have him rated a lot lower than me, which is fine as a lot of this is opinion. I do love the Ellis pick in round 3, not so much the 2nd round one. I think I would rather have Burton at 63 although I understand your reasoning esp since you had us take CB in round 1

Very very impressive. I hope you have one more left in you before the draft

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by Michael Hewitt on Mar 27, 2011 12:46 AM EDT reply actions

I honestly think the Steelers can get away with not drafting an OT in the first round, maybe even the 2nd. (can see a Guard being a choice early though). A CB like Harris could very well start right away considering your poor situation at CB right now, while I am not sure someone like Castonzo will take some time, especially if you can bring some guys back.

Alot of people don’t realize that you guys have a pretty solid OL if all are healthy. Sure, they could maybe get an upgrade here or there, but Pitt could get away with your starting 5 when healthy. But we all know the Steelers will be taking a OT at some point early.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 27, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions

I dont think OL is as much of a priority as our aging Defensive Line, and I am not really high on the cornerbacks who will be available in the late stages of the 1st round. I like Dowling or Burton in the 2nd though.

OT isnt that bad a situation, but it coule potentially be if Starks and Colon dont come back to be the same guys they were before injury. Its more OG like you say, I dont think Pouncey will be there at 31, so if we decide we really want a G we should trade back into the 2nd for Cannon or someone similar.

P.S It still stuns me how many people are saying your CB situation is terrible. Ours is way worse.

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by Michael Hewitt on Mar 27, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions

P.S It still stuns me how many people are saying your CB situation is terrible. Ours is way worse.

Between our 2 teams, it is clear that Ike Taylor is the best CB. But I think that the next 4 best CB between our 2 secondaries are all on the Ravens. While we don’t have a true #1, shut down guy (not alot of teams do) I like to say that we have a great group of #2 CB, and we can get away with that if we improve the pass rush.

Ravens fans and others are just so used to having McAlister and others over the years, and for some reason just think it is magically going to happen through the draft or something that a guy in the first round is going to become that next McAlister. Those type of players are usually taken in the top half of the draft, with a few exceptions over the last few drafts. I keep telling Ravens fans that if you want the next McAlister, we are going to have to be drafting in the top 10, and that would mean a shitty season.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions

Thats what idiots on our blog say

“Draft a shutdown corner”

“We need a #1 corner”

As if they are dime a dozen or something. There are only 2 cornerbacks (3 is a stretch) in this draft who appear to me to have true shutdown corner potential. Neither of them will last past #10.

Better pass rush = less time corners spend covering. Thats why the Steelers draft pure pass rushers almost every year. I actually think a safety with more range than Ryan Clark would go a long way to improve our defense more so than a corner who is likely going to be #4 or #5 on the depth chart initially. Then again, I wouldnt take Rahim Moore at 31. Its a difficult situation, and like you say, good cornerbacks arent found late in round one, not immediate impact ones anyway.

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by Michael Hewitt on Mar 28, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Yup yup yup

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Steelers don't draft looking for next years starters...

Constanzo is the better value by far. There are no starting OT guys signed beyond 2012. Seems like a well timed pick w/ good value.

The Harris pick is good in general though. 3 of the 6 CB in the pro-bowl were 5-10, he’s a half inch shorter. Should be fine size-wize.

Ellis has all kinds of character issues drugs attitude etc. He’s not a Steeler.

by Steely McSmash on Mar 28, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions

I like this draft for the Broncos

Even though I’d expect more picks along the front-7 than in the secondary, you covered some of our biggest needs, so I’d be perfectly fine with this.

Also love the though and effort you put into this mock, it’s really apparent.

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by Broncoman27 on Mar 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions

Draft is only ok for me

Dareus would love
Moore and Burton would be ok with.
Really would not like the Stocker pick especially with the likes of Austin, Carter and Foster still on the board.
Front 7 is so important this draft and with the depth on the d line feel we need to come away with at least 2 guys in the first 3 rounds.
With this board would take Austin at 46 and then Ballard at 67.

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by SteveUK on Mar 28, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm with you steve I'll try to flesh it out a little more

When he was interviewed at the owners meetings Fox did say that our secondary was solid so getting two picks there seems unlikely. He also pointed out that we would be switching to more of a zone based defense so I think we are much less in need of help.

We only really have one DT on the roster right now, so I don’t think there is a way that we pass up taking two when the options are that good in the draft. I would hate to see them pass on Paea like that at 36.

I’m also not sure about the Stocker pick. I know that Fox hasn’t used TEs much in the past. Also Gronk was looking good before his injury, and Quinn has been getting better. With that being said it’s going to be McCoy’s offense and he may want to use a TE more as a catching threat than just a blocker which means we could take stocker, I mean really what do I know. :-)

I’ve also heard just fyi that fox really has a man crush on Mile LeShore the RB, so I don’t know if we pass on him. I think if history is any help here that he’s probably going to look to bolster the RB by committee approach before he tries to fix the TE problem.

by Fan in Exile on Mar 30, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions

He will make a play for King or Rosario

I can almost promise you that. Fox LOVES his guys, and especially vets… to a fault.
He will definitely start with the DL. He is old school. So I promise you he will take Dareus if we don’t.

And McCoy is good, but I wouldn’t expect to see what you guys saw last year. Fox handcuffs the offense. Has it ran his way. Run, run, pass. Or run, pass, draw. Would anyone care for some vanilla? Same thing on D. It is simple, but effective. Kinda…

Ok... What piece do we have a chance to add here? Manning, Brady, Brees? Revis, Asomugha, Bailey? Ngata, Jenkins, Wilfork?

by Steve785 on Mar 30, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

jet fan here

and i’ll let you know that if kenrick ellis is still there in the 3rd, a jet fan would take him. OL is a need but i think it can wait a year

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by rexthejet on Mar 27, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions

good pick with wilkerson,

but i don’t see tanny staying put, there is too much talent at this position too stay put.

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by rexthejet on Mar 27, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions

Castonzo to the Packers

Have to agree w/ Omaha Sun… And what ever happened to Jimmy Smith CB Colorado? Can’t find him… Or did I miss him twice?

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by Strohman on Mar 27, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions

He went to Detroit at 13.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

No wonder I missed him...

Its way higher than I’ve seen him! LOL Everything else has him in the 20’s…

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by Strohman on Mar 27, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Everything else has him in the 20’s…

Yea, but I like his talent and think that another team will as well. I was tired of the same mocks over and over and over again.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 27, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah I had him at 16 to Jacksonville in mine

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by Michael Hewitt on Mar 27, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Clearly I'm taking his character concerns into account...

Like teams do… Maybe not all, but the good ones do!

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by Strohman on Mar 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea for sure. But I don’t buy into that stuff as much as other people do. For some reason, people think Jimmy Smith is just going to be a trouble maker when he gets drafted, and I doubt that happens. The guy got in some trouble when he was a young teenager. I got into some serious trouble when I was 18 and 19 years old as well, and I don’t think I have any character concerns.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Excellent Draft for Bears

Just wondering if in the 2nd Bears wouldn’t take Austin at DT over Baily at DE after releasing Tommie Harris?

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by BearDownIsrael on Mar 27, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions

I like Taylor and Cobb for the Chiefs

But I’d take Moffit in the 3rd because Weigmann is on his last leg and we have no depth at Center. I would be surprised if we don’t take a guy that can play center before the 4th round. Moffit, Kirkpatrick, or Barnes in the 4th or 5th at the latest.

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by BJ Kissel on Mar 28, 2011 12:00 AM EDT reply actions

Vikings

I have to disagree with both of your selections. Well I would say that I would not make those picks.

First, most mocks have the Vikings taking a DE at #12. Why? I do not know. At least you have them taking a base DE instead of others where it is a guy like Robert Quinn or even Ryan Kerrigan.

The question that a Viking fan would have to ask is why did they give Brian Robison a 4 mil per year deal? Not to sit the bench that is for sure. And they have Everson Griffen and Adrian Awasom to backup.

So why get another DE? Oh yeah, I forgot, because he is the BPA right? Like last year, Anthony Davis OT was picked 11th and Bryan Bulaga was picked 23rd. Who was better?

The Vikings need a CB in the worst way. The corner backs on the Vikings are very much a HUGE question. Can Cedric Griffen come back from his consecutive MAJOR knee surgeries? Can Chris Cook get on the field and prove he was worth the #34 pick in the draft? Doubtful on both counts. How much does Antoine Winfield have left in the tank? Is Asher Allen anything more than a nickel or dime CB?

The Vikings would be better served by taking the very next guy in your mock.

Jimmy Smith. He can step in and start right away whereas Cameron Jordan will be a backup. That is like the Vikings using two picks to trade up to get Tony Gerhart last year to backup Adrian Peterson. Not smart.

In the second round, Kaepernick is definitely interesting but the Vikings already have the same type player in Joe Webb. Webb passed for 2,000 yards and rushed for 1,0o0 yards two straight years. I know Colin did it for 3 but you would be hard pressed to say which one played in a tougher conference. I think it was Webb if you go by the Sagarin ratings. So why get the same guy? Makes no sense.

I would take Wisniewski right there. The Vikings need an upgrade over John Sullivanin the worst way.

Other candidates would be Bruce Carter OLB and Danny Watkins OG.

by MarkSP18 on Mar 28, 2011 12:45 AM EDT reply actions

Jimmy Smith. He can step in and start right away whereas Cameron Jordan will be a backup. That is like the Vikings using two picks to trade up to get Tony Gerhart last year to backup Adrian Peterson. Not smart.

I knew it! I was so damn close to giving you guys Jimmy Smith at 12. I knew this was going to be the case.

The thing about Kaperneck is that maybe it would be good to draft someone who has the same skill set at Webb and then see who performs better with that skills set. I sort of get the sense from Vikings fans that they would be alright with Webb getting a shot to start for a full season, so why not bring in some serious competition to either find out if he is legit or possibly find someone of his abilities that is better?

But I understand what you are saying. Thanks for the input.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 12:53 AM EDT reply actions

Meant for MarkSP18

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Really?

I thought you were responding to me.

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by Omaha Sun on Mar 28, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions

Don’t start cheesehead.

"Can you call Flacco a bust? He’s had super bowl caliber teams but has never gotten them there. The Ravens get into and win playoff games only because of the caliber of the rest of the team. The Ravens do not dominate much weaker defensive teams by winning the game by a large margin. The defense gave him a sizeable lead against Pittsburgh and he wasn’t able to close out the game. For all the reasons you call Boller a bust are the same things I see in Flacco." - TheShadow

by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Well I am in the minority of Vikings fans that is for sure

Many feel that the secondary (specifically the CBs) is in good shape as long as the players come back healthy. I do not feel the same way obviously.

I just do not see Griffen getting back to his old level for at least another year and then he will be ready to turn 30 in November of 2012. I actually think he would benefit from a move to free safety.

Cook is a huge question mark and Vikings fans are only basing their opinion of him on where he was drafted and some training camp reports. The actual games did nothing to indicate that he is going to be a very good corner. It is hard to tell either way at this point so I can only hope with him but since he is young it is worth the risk.

A DE is definitely a good pick and will give the Vikings a nice line. But teams just use the quick passes on the Vikings to move the ball so having guys who can get after the QB is nice but you have to force the teams into third and long situations to utilize the pass rush more effectively.

I also like Martez Wilson at #12 since Ben Leber is a free agent or even an offensive tackle. The Vikings have no quality depth behind McKinnie and he will be 33 in 2012 so his time is winding down.

An offensive tackle would be a better pick than a DE too.

Good job overall though!

by MarkSP18 on Mar 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Wilson

You can probably get Wilson in the 2nd… Major reach at #12!!!

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by Strohman on Mar 28, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I’ll bet money he doesn’t leave the first.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

So OL, CB, ILB, DE are the needs?

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Great draft for the Boys

by somebodyquiet on Mar 28, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions

Not fond of it.

It fills needs but there’s better picks than those ones. I’m not fond of Cam and I don’t think CByers is right when he says he’s Brown’s guy as Mallett was just reported to have a two-day visit with us as well and we can’t take both.

There’s better potential OGs to be had, and I just don’t see the point in drafting a RB when we’ve got a potentially good one in Scott. I mean, I see the need, and see the reason to fill it, as there’s no reason to expect Benson will be any better or anywhere near as good as 2009, but I still don’t agree with it. Power Backs of Benson’s nature can be had in later rounds, or even undrafted.

by Doc Scratch on Mar 29, 2011 12:52 AM EDT reply actions

Love this for the jags..

by FgallosJAGS on Mar 29, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions

Rec'd

I would LOVE THIS!!! Except for one thing…. I hope the Steelers don’t take Ellis and the Panthers pick him up with our compensatory 3rd round draft pick. Peterson, Austin, and Ellis with our first three picks would be friggin AWESOME!!

Great work though

Ok... What piece do we have a chance to add here? Manning, Brady, Brees? Revis, Asomugha, Bailey? Ngata, Jenkins, Wilfork?

by Steve785 on Mar 29, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions

Yea, that would be one hell of a draft for you guys. I think you guys can get away with Clausen for a year and hopefully make a move for Andrew Luck or Matthew Barkley in the next draft (both who I think are FAR better QB’s than any of this year’s draft).

Rivera would do alot with those 3 picks, and you guys have a solid defense already.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 30, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions

My thoughts exactly!

We would be set on defense for atleast a couple of years. EVERYONE on our D is young, with the exception of Gamble. Gamble is still young though. And everyone is faaast! I can’t wait to see what Rivera and McDermott do with this squad. An aggressive blitzing defense… imagine that John Fox!

Ok... What piece do we have a chance to add here? Manning, Brady, Brees? Revis, Asomugha, Bailey? Ngata, Jenkins, Wilfork?

by Steve785 on Mar 30, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Solid picks for the browns, except you have to take into account the new HC is an Offensive minded guy. I see you switching the 3rd round picks with buffalo and I’d be okay. Browns need 2 WR’s…

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by J. W. on Mar 30, 2011 7:28 AM EDT reply actions

Browns need 2 WR’s…

Even with Julio, you don’t think it would be a good idea to keep bringing along Robiskie and Massaquoi? I think those two would turn into solid WR (Massaquoi already is) if they get a true #1 guy like Julio with them.

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 30, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions

+1

Ok... What piece do we have a chance to add here? Manning, Brady, Brees? Revis, Asomugha, Bailey? Ngata, Jenkins, Wilfork?

by Steve785 on Mar 30, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions

So maybe the detriot 3rd rounder (WR), or the OT, that pesky right side of the O line is a monster glaring at me and needs to be fixed.

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by J. W. on Mar 30, 2011 7:32 AM EDT reply actions

See, the funny thing is that I have been reading a few things on other Browns sites saying that it would be a good idea to draft DL in each of the first 3 rounds. Now you are saying go 2 WR and an OL. I AM CONFUSED!!!!

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by Mr MaLoR on Mar 30, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions

				Round 1
1	Carolina	Patrick Peterson	CB	LSU	Best player in this draft should go #1 overall. Though Ron Rivera loves a strong pass rush, Peterson is one of the best shutdown CB since Revis.
2	Denver	Marcell Dareus	DT	Alabama	While Fairley may have more upside, Dareus is nearly at his peak as a DT and is a damn good one. Denver gets a Haloti Ngata type talent.
3	Buffalo	Da'Quan Bowers	DE	Clemson	Bowers resembles Julius Peppers so much. Buffalo will enjoy that type of skill set. Pairing Bowers with NT Kyle Williams is going to cause alot of damage.
4	Cincinnati	Cam Newton	QB	Auburn	Mike Brown is their owner.
5	Arizona	Blaine Gabbert	QB	Missouri	With the uncertainty of a new CBA being in place before the draft, Arizona will need to make a move for a QB in case Kolb, Palmer or Bulger aren't available after. Gabbert will be able to get the ball to Fitz, don't worry about that
6	Cleveland	Julio Jones	WR	Alabama	Yup, Jones is taken before Green. Insane physical abilities with so much room to get better. Browns are building a pretty decent team and have a QB who I really like. McCoy to Julio will be a force to reckon with for a while.
7	San Francisco	Von Miller	OLB	Texas A&M	If Miller falls to #7, I don't see how the 49ers could pass on him. While SF already has a solid group of 3-4 LB, Miller is too good to pass up and immediately creates an insane LB combo of Willis and Miller
8	Tennessee	Nick Fairley	DT	Auburn	Tennessee misses Haynesworth's presence, so they replace that with a very, very good player. Fairley and last year's #1 pick Derrick Morgan should make for a great combo and help out one of the best secondaries in the league.
9	Dallas	Prince Amukamara	CB	Nebraska	Dallas underachieved last season considering how talented their roster is. They have a very solid defense already, and Prince just makes them better.
10	Washington	AJ Green	WR	Georgia	Best player here by far and is only going to make this team better. Only problem is, who will be throwing Green the ball?
11	Houston	Aldon Smith	DE/OLB	Missouri	Smith reminds me much of my own Terrell Suggs, and I think Wade Phillips is going to enjoy that type of talent to pair with Mario, Cushing and Ryans.
12	Minnesota	Cameron Jordan	DE	California	Jordan has the best technique at DE in this draft in my opinion. Pairing Jordan with Jared Allen makes their D-Line scary yet again.
13	Detroit	Jimmy Smith	CB	Colorado	Might seem too high to some people, but no one can deny that Smith has top 15 talent. Detroit looks past the character issues and addresses their biggest need. The Lions front 7 is too damn good to not have a solid CB like Jimmy Smith.
14	St. Louis	Robert Quinn	DE	North Carolina	Spagnulo has been building a pretty damn good defense since taking over and Quinn will only add to that. Great talent at a great spot in the draft for STL.
15	Miami	Mark Ingram	RB	Alabama	This seems to be the popular pick in most mocks, but it makes so much sense. As a Ravens fan, I see ALOT of Jamal Lewis when watching Ingram run, and the Dolphins will definitely enjoy that.
16	Jacksonville	Martez Wilson	ILB	Illinois	Jaguar fans may hate this one, but they need help in the middle of their defense in my opinion and Wilson is a freak athlete that can play every LB position. JAX has a history of reaching on players (Harvey and Alualu) so I could see them reaching again. I really like this pick for Jacksonville though, sorry if you don't.
17	New England	Tyron Smith	OT	USC	NE really wants to improve their defense, but Smith is a top 15 talent who drops to them.Their OL is still strong, but Smith makes it alot stronger.
18	San Diego	JJ Watt	DE	Wisconsin	What a steal at 18. Watt is a top 10 talent I think and grabbing him here is too good to pass up. He fits their scheme and what better of a name to have when being drafted by the Chargers?
19	New York Giants	Gabe Carimi	OT	Wisconsin	Solid player and pick for the Giants. Carimi can step in right away and start at either left or right tackle.
20	Tampa Bay	Ryan Kerrigan	DE/OLB	Purdue	Another typical pick in most mocks, but fits the Bucs so well. TB is going to have a great DL for years to come with McCoy and Price, and Kerrigan can rush the passer from
21	Kansas City	Phil Taylor	DT	Baylor	Taylor creates one of the best DL in the league playing alongside Dorsey and Jackson. He will allow Hali to fly free.
22	Indianapolis	Derrick Sherrod	OT	Miss. St	OL is the Colts biggest need. Sherrod is the best one available. Gotta keep Peyton healthy for as long as possible, because once he is gone they go to 8-8 for 20 straight seasons.
23	Philadelphia	Mike Pouncey	OG/C	Florida	Just an all around solid pick that makes sense for the Eagles. Improves the running game very much and protects Vick's abilities.
24	New Orleans	Corey Luiget	DT	Illinois	The Saints have a few options here, but Luiget gives NO a great option next to Ellis. Luiget is flying up draft boards.
25	Seattle	Ryan Mallet	QB	Arkansas	Hasselback's status with Seattle is up in the air right now and Clip Board Jesus is not the answer either. With the CBA uncertainties dealing with free agency, Mallet fills a possible need. He is a much better QB than people think.
26	Baltimore	Justin Houston	OLB	Georgia	Suggs 2.0, nuff said.
27	Atlanta	Adrian Clayborn	DE	Iowa	DE is one of the bigger needs for ATL and while Clayborn has some concerns, he goes to a well minded team that will know how to get the best out of him. Abraham and Clayborn could wreak havoc.
28	New England	Cameron Heyward	DE	Ohio St.	Prototypical 3-4 DE, and adds to a very, very strong defense. NE is on the rise of becoming one of the best defenses in the league if they can sure up their front 7, and Heyward can do that.
29	Chicago	Nate Solder	OT	Colorado	What a steal at this spot. Solder definitely needs some work, but with the state of the Bears' O-Line, he could very well start right away.
30	New York Jets	Muhammed Wilkerson	DE	Temple	Losing Jenkins and Ellis is going to hurt the strong NYJ defense, but Wilkerson can start right away and clear up some concerns.
31	Pittsburgh	Brandon Harris	CB	Miami	Alot of the players Pittsburgh would want before Harris are gone, but this is still a great pick for them and fills a need. While he may not be a true #1 CB because of his size, Harris and the underrated Ike Taylor make one of the best CB combinations in the league.
32	Green Bay	Jon Baldwin	WR	Pittsburgh	Maybe a reach here, but his talents will be put to good use by the great Aaron Rodgers. Driver only has a season or 2 left in him and Jones may be on the way out. Their offense just gets more dangerous with Baldwin in the mix.

			Round 2
33	New England	Torrey Smith	WR	Greatest School University	Sighhhh, New England yet again gets great value here. My fellow Terp goes on to be one of the best deep threats in the NFL with Tom Brady getting him the ball
34	Buffalo	Brooks Reed	OLB	Arizona	The Bills passed on Von Miller in the first round by taking Bowers, and still end up getting a top 5 OLB in the 2nd round.
35	Cincinnati	Marcus Cannon	OG	TCU	Gotta protect Newton.
36	Denver	Rahim Moore	S	UCLA	Moore is a first round talent who slips into the 2nd, but gives Denver a huge steal here.
37	Cleveland	Aaron Williams	CB	Texas	Another great pick for Cleveland to pair with Haden and move Eric Wright to a nickel/dime CB.
38	Arizona	Akeem Ayers	OLB	UCLA	Arizona passed on Von Miller in the first round for Gabbert. Ayers is a good fit now.
39	Tennessee	Jake Locker	QB	Washington	The Titans missed out on Gabbert and Newton in the first, but Locker definitely has the tools to run their offense. I think he could thrive if used correctly.
40	Dallas	Anthony Castonzo	OT	Boston College	Dallas is having a very good draft if it plays out this way. He is an ideal pass blocker to protect Romo.
41	Washington	Stephen Paea	DT	Oregon St.	Albert was Haynesworthless, Paea won't be. Might take him some time to get going, but the man has some great skills that fit Washington's defensive scheme.
42	Houston	Kyle Rudolph	TE	Notre Dame	Owen Daniels is still one of the best all-around TE in this league, but it seems like that injury really affects him. Rudolph gives Schaub another dangerous option in their high powered passing attack.
43	Minnesota	Colin Kaepernick	QB	Nevada	Kaepernick will definitely need some work at the next level and Minnesota is hoping they can address QB in free agency after the draft, but he could very well be a franchise QB if brought along the right way.
44	Detroit	Rodney Hudson	OG	Florida St.	Great value in the 2nd round. Hudson could start right away at either Guard position or possibly play Center. They must do something to keep Stafford on his feet and open up lanes for Jahvid Best.
45	San Francisco	Ras-I Dowling	CB	Virginia	San Francisco passed on Amukamara and Smith in the 1st because of Von Miller being available, so Dowling here makes alot of sense. He can start right away at the #2 spot next to Clements. The 49ers are building one hell of a defense if the draft plays out this way.
46	Denver	Luke Stocker	TE	Tennessee	I think Stocker has a chance to be the best TE down the road coming out of this draft. Denver has some serious weapons on the outside with Thomas, Lloyd and Royal and Stocker gives them another weapon in the middle.
47	St. Louis	Leonard Hankerson	WR	Miami	The Rams missed out on Jones and Green in the first and could very well trade up for one of them, but Hankerson is a great talent that Bradford can take advantage of.
48	Oakland	Curtis Brown	CB	Texas	Oakland really screwed themselves in trading their first round pick, but Brown is a solid pick here. With the loss of their stud #1 CB, Brown can be the start of rebuilding their CB group.
49	Jacksonville	Christian Ponder	QB	Florida State	I could very well see JAX taking Ponder in the 1st or 2nd or trading back into the 1st to take Ponder. Well they get him in the 2nd.
50	San Diego	Danny Watkins	OG	Baylor	Another STEAL for San Diego. Watkins has a good chance to be a first round pick, but falls because of other concerns. While the Chargers do not need much help at Guard, Watkins is too good of a talent to pass up here.
51	Tampa Bay	Quan Sturdivant	ILB	North Carolina	Ruud might be on the way out and TB wants to sure up their front 7. Sturdivant is a perfect 4-3 ILB.
52	New York Giants	Kelvin Sheppard	ILB	LSU	The Giants would have loved to get Martez Wilson in the 1st, but Sheppard has a chance to contribute from week 1.
53	Indianapolis	Mikel Leshoure	RB	Illinois	Addai and Brown seem to be complimentary backs at this point (but so is their running game in general) and Leshoure has some elite talents. He would be just another compliment to Peyton and crew.
54	Philadelphia	Davon House	CB	New Mexico St.	Someone to play next to Samuel. House needs work, but I think he is the best CB available at this point
55	Kansas City	Randall Cobb	WR	Kentucky	I literally flipped a coin on this one between Cobb and Titus Young. Cobb is a great deep threat that would give KC a dangerous compliment to Bowe
56	New Orleans	Mason Foster	OLB	Washington	Another fast rise on most draft boards. Foster is the prototypical 4-3 OLB with his insane closing speed. Creates a great LB group with Vilma manning the middle.
57	Seattle	Stefan Wisniewski	C	Penn State	Wisniewski is a starting caliber Center and helps bolster the Seattle OL. Could play Guard as well.
58	Baltimore	Titus Young	WR	Boise St.	Finally someone who can run better than a 4.7 forty.
59	Atlanta	Bruce Carter	OLB	North Carolina	Atlanta continues the run of LB by adding Carter to play behind Clayborn.
60	New England	Benjamin Ijalana	OG	Villanova	NE double dips in OL in the first two rounds, giving them yet again another great pick. This draft is turning out to be too good for NE.
61	San Diego	Jerrell Jernigan	WR	Troy	I know SD likes tall WR, but Jernigan is like Sproles at WR.
62	Chicago	Allen Bailey	DE	Miami	Great depth behind Peppers and the other DL.
63	Pittsburgh	Joesph Barksdale	OT	LSU	The Pittsburgh OL is beat up real badly. With so many of the positions along the O-Line in question, Barksdale has a great chance to start at RT from day 1. Some people have Barksdale as a 3rd or 4th round pick, but I have him as a late 2nd for sure.
64	Green Bay	Sam Acho	OLB	Texas	Acho has a ton of power in rushing the power, which should be a nice compliment to Clay Mathews' speed on the other side.
				Round 3
65	Carolina	Marvin Austin	DT	North Carolina	Austin is a relentless pass rusher and great run stopper, and Carolina finally gets someone to put pressure on the QB so PP can shut down his WR.
66	Cincinnati	Ryan Williams	RB	Virginia Tech	Not sure if Benson will be back or not and even though Cinci fans are in love with Bernard Scott for some odd reason, he isn't an every down RB.
67	Denver	Brandon Burton	CB	Utah	Perrish Cox is still a work in progress next to Bailey and Burton can push for a starting spot.
68	Buffalo	Orlando Franklin	OT	Miami	Buffalo nailed on their first two picks on defense, now they get one of the most underrated tackles in this draft class.
69	Arizona	Dontay Moch	OLB	Nevada	Arizona needs help on off
70	Cleveland	Jurrell Casey	DT	USC	The Browns lost both Rodgers and Coleman this off season, and rightfully so. Casey used to be picked much higher in other mocks in the past, but falls here after under-performing last season.
71	Dallas	Christian Ballard	DE	Iowa	Ballard should be drafted in the 2nd round, but falls. Dallas hits on 3 of their biggest needs.
72	New Orleans	Deandre McDaniel	SS	Clemson	The Saints really don't need any help on offense and continue to improver their defense with the best SS in this class.
73	Houston	Jerell Powe	NT	Ole Miss	There is not much depth behind Okoye.
74	New England	Adrian Motten	OLB	Greatest School University	I have watched this guy first hand and he is a play maker. Can play any LB position in a 3-4, but will excel in
75	Detroit	Edmond Gates	WR	Abilene Christian	Love, love, love this pick for the Lions. Gates is a speedster WR who can take serious advantage of teams doubling Calvin Johnson. If Stafford can stay healthy, he would have a great chance to put up some serious numbers with those two.
76	San Francisco	Shane Vereen	RB	California	Frank Gore is still the man there, but Vereen can be a very good back up to an already strong running game.
77	Tennessee	Clint Boling	OG	Georgia	CJ2K is great on the outside, but Tennessee needs to help him more running in the inside. The Titans interior blocking was poor last season.
78	St. Louis	Daniel Thomas	RB	Kansas St.	Compliment to Steven Jackson.
79	Miami	Will Rackley	OG	Lehigh	Miami's OL stinks outside of Long. Rackley will start from day one and pave the way for Ingram.
80	Jacksonville	Quinton Carter	FS	Oklahoma	The Jaguars need some help at Safety with already having a strong group of CB. Carter is an underrated player in a shallow Safety class.
81	Oakland	James Carpenter	OT	Alabama	Good pick here to pair with the Greek God Bruce Campbell.
82	San Diego	Kendall Hunter	RB	Oklahoma St.	Sproles is going to be a free agent. Hunter is one of the better pass catching RB in this draft and SD loves throwing to their Backs.
83	New York Giants	Chimdi Chekwa	CB	Ohio St.	My 80th rated player drafted at 83 and takes advantage of one of the most dominant pass rushes in the league.
84	Tampa Bay	Ahmad Black	SS	Florida	Might not be a starter from day one, but has a chance in the future. TB is building a very, very good defense so far.
85	Philadelphia	Tyler Sash	SS	Iowa	Not sure if Mikell will be back or not, Eagles fans let me know please, but if not they will need someone to replace him. Sash is the 2nd best SS in this draft.
86	Kansas City	Jabaal Sheard	DE/OLB	Pittsburgh	Steal at this spot and adds to their already strong pass rush opposite Hali.
87	Indianapolis	John Moffitt	OG	Wisconsin	Indy double dips at OL to now block for Manning AND Leshoure.
88	New Orleans	Darell Scott	RB	Greatest School University	I think come the end of April, Scott is going to be considered a 3rd or 4th round pick. His speed is the best of all RB and has great pass catching abilities. Trust me, I know first hand how good this guy can be.
89	San Diego	Ian Williams	DT	Notre Dame	Could stand to add some weight if he is going to play in the 3-4, but one of the strongest DT in this draft.
90	Baltimore	Marcus Gilbert	OT	Florida	Gilbert can play both left and right tackle. Baltimore needs depth at nearly every OL position and Gilbert helps out ALOT.
91	Atlanta	DJ Williams	TE	Arkansas	Not too many people talk about Williams, but man does this guy have some freakish athletic abilities. Sitting behind HOF Tony Gonzalez for a season could turn this guy into a stud with Matt Ryan only getting better.
92	New England	Johnny Patrick	CB	Louisville	McCourty and Butler should be the starters for a while, but Patrick adds depth to an already strong secondary.
93	Chicago	Kendric Burney	CB	North Carolina	Burney is undersized, but is a relentless player. His style would fit in perfectly with Chicago as a nickel and dime CB.
94	New York Jets	James Brewer	OT	Indiana	The Jets OL should be set for right now, but Ducasse is still a mystery if he can start over Woody.
95	Pittsburgh	Kendrick Ellis	NT	Hampton	Ideal NT at nearly 350 pounds. While NT is not a huge need at the moment, Casey Hampton is getting up there in age and Ellis from Hampton could be a nice sub for him.
96	Green Bay	Jarvis Jenkins	DE	Clemson	Jenkins is up in the air for returning, so GB replaces him with a new Jenkins.

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