Projected Division Standings
by DBroncs1414 on May 19, 2011 5:33 PM EDT
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I'm not going to go with exact records, but I'm just going to rank the teams 1-4 in their division and I will make a note on which teams I think will make the playoffs.
AFC East:
1. New York Jets: I hate doing this because being a non fan from NJ, I hate their A-hole fans. However, there's no denying they're a very talented team. I really don't think Sanchez is a good QB, but Jamarcus Russell could take this team to the playoffs. Playoffs
2. New England Patriots: I especially don't like predicting a BB led Pats not in 1st, but I gotta. Brady will be Brady, but this D is really atrocious, they did little to improve it, and with the uncertainty of FA, I don't think they can bank on that for substantial improvement. Still, this is a great team that you can't sleep on come January. Playoffs
3. Buffalo Bills: Woah, Bills out of the cellar? As I go to the Phins, I'll explain this is less of a compliment to the Bills and more of an indictment on the Dolphins. Despite this, I like the way the Bills are going, and I think they'll build off of the vast improvement they made at the end of last year.
4. Miami Dolphins: I expect a horrific season for this team. When it seemed like Henne was going to be tossed, they now decide he's there starter? I feel they'll go for a vet but may lose out in such sweepstakes. Their RB situation is in the air, and even if Brown comes back, how effective will he be? I also expect Marshall to have a massive meltdown. Finally, I think Sparano will be fired mid year. All in all, this looks like a train wreck.
AFC North:
1. Pittsburgh Steelers: Looking back at last year and all the hooplah surrounding this team, they still put up an awesome year. Hard to bet against a team like this. Playoffs
2. Baltimore Ravens: I like this team, but the reason why they'll take second again is that despite the talent on O, I don't see it coming together again. The D will be awesome as usual, but this O is behind when it comes to their potential and till they bring it together I think the Steelers have this division on lockdown. Once again, however, they're in the playoffs and will contend, as long as they don't meet the Steelers in the playoffs. Playoffs
3. Cincinnati Bengals: People will wonder how I have them over the Browns, so I'll explain. The Bengals should finally be a team without off the field problems. Palmer won't drag this team into chaos, and with TO and Ocho gone this lockerroom will be pretty team oriented. Even if Dalton starts, I don't see that as that big of a problem. They also have a decent enough D to keep them out of the cellar. Still, I don't see this as a good team, and see them in the 6 win range.
4. Cleveland Browns: New coach who is really wet beind the years, with the most overrated QB in football? Disaster right here. Not saying this team is on the wrong path, but they have a very raw and shaky QB with little tools around him. Peyton Hillis could be a beast again but I don't think it'll matter. Finally, the D isn't good, at all. This team is clearly more concerned with the future then right now, as they should be.
AFC South:
1. Indianapolis Colts: Of course this team will be in first until proven otherwise. They got the best pass blocking OT in the draft which will help enormously. After this year the Colts future gets a little shakier, but they should be improved over the "bad" year pundits thought they had last year. Playoffs
2. Houston Texans: Hate to not put this team in, and I'll be a little surprised if they don't, but if you don't win your division in the AFC, which I doubt they will, you better be awesome or your not in. They should compete to the final week for the playoffs but I don't see them doing better then the runner ups in the East and North with so many rookies they gotta rely on on D.
3. Jacksonville Jaguars: I don't expect a good season here. This team drafted like they had a lot of talent and could afford to draft developmental players, but they couldn't. Gabbert doesn't help them at all, and I think it'll cost Del Rio his job. I'm not expecting a total disaster here, but I think Jags fans will come out disappointed and the team will be looking for a new HC.
4. Tennessee Titans: They have CJ2k, Michael Roos, and a pretty good DL. Beyond that? Not much, which is why they are in rebuilding mode.
AFC West:
1. San Diego Chargers: I threw up on my keyboard putting them in first. They're an all around great team and I think they'll get over their Special teams woes. I expect them to have one of those years where they dominate the regular season, I'm thinking 12 wins. Still, this is the Chargers and I wouldn't be afraid to play them in January. Playoffs
2. Kansas City Chiefs: A team on the rise, but hard to say they are there yet. I don't think they would've gone to the playoffs in anyother AFC division, which isn't a slight, just saying. I expect them to be over or around .500, but not be very close in the wild card race.
3. Denver Broncos: Come all who will call me a homer. I don't make this prediction because I think they'll do so well. I honestly have a 6, maybe 7 if we are lucky, game win cap on this team, but that'll be enough for 3rd in this division. I think we'll see a more competitive team with their best D player coming back, Clady being 100%, and a pretty solid draft. Whichever QB they play won't matter, this team needs at least another draft or two to be relevant.
4. Oakland Raiders: I can make all the jokes in the world, but I seriously believe the Raiders will be around here. There is just too much dysfunction and chaos for this team to do well. I highly doubt everyone in the locker room is on board with Jackson when Cable had no business being fired. I also have no confidence in Campbell as a starter. The run game should be alright, but a Nnamdi-less D could be terrible.
NFC East:
1. Philadelphia Eagles: This team takes the division title again, but Reid really needs to take this team far in January, he's overdue. As for the rest of the East, the Eagles have so much more fire power then they do. Playoffs
2. Dallas Cowboys: Don't kill me G-men fans. I really liked this team under Garrett last year, they did very well and played some pretty good teams and won with him, imagine what he can do with a healthy Romo? However, not sure they can do better then the other NFC wild card teams, and they'll miss the playoffs by a game.
3. New York Giants: This isn't a slight on the Giants, I think they are a good team. I have them in 3rd but only a game or 2 behind the Cowboys. I loved their draft, but I don't see them cutting down the turnovers and I expect their OL to continue to regress.
4. Washington Redskins: I love Shanny, but it doesn't look pretty there right now. He may love John Beck, and he may have had success with mediocre QB talent, but I can't see a guy who hasn't thrown a pass since 07 doing anything of note. I think the D will do a little better, but that won't matter. Still surprised they didn't add OL talent they desperately needed. The NFC East should pummel them into top 10 pick range.
NFC North:
1. Chicago Bears: I'll go over how I could've possibly slighted the Super Bowl Champs when I get to GB, but for the Bears, they are a very talented team. The OL should be much improved with Carimi, the most pro ready OL. Cutler's hot and cold, but Paea should bring an immediate presence inside on an already formidable D. Let's not forget, they won the division last year and were so close to the SB last year. I expect more of the same. Playoffs
2. Green Bay Packers: Still should be a good team next year, obviously, but let's not forget they were a G-men choke job away from missing the playoffs last year. They had a great run in the postseason, but I'm not so confident their run game will continue in 2011, even while getting Grant back. Again, I expect to see a very good team, but I do like the Bears better then the Pack. Playoffs
3. Detroit Lions: I really hope for the best with this team, if anyone deserves to get in the playoffs, its these guys. Still, Stafford has to prove he can be healthy, and even if he does there are some flaws on this team. The DL will be awesome, but there's just not enough talent on the rest of the D to get this team in the playoffs. Add in that the Pack and Bears are in the same division and its hard to imagine a team like this will make the playoffs. I expect a record of around .500
4. Minnesota Vikings: No offense Vike fans, but I don't buy this team is as close as you do. Even with AP, this team averaged 17 ppg last year, and with Ponder I don't expect that to improve. The D is aging, and didn't get any better. Ray Edwards and Pat Williams aren't coming back, and the secondary is shaky at best. Not expecting a truly horrific year but I think they'll draft top 10. The division is way too tough for them not to, IMO.
NFC South:
1. New Orleans Saints: There loss to the Seahawks in the playoffs was truly embarrassing, but I see them bouncing back just fine. I hate to bet on a team banking on a rookie to bring back their running game, but this is Mark Ingram, who will have other talented RB's around him. Brees and his receivers shouldn't miss a beat, even with a lockout. I'm not sure about a SB, but this will be a great team next year. Playoffs
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: I really like the Falcons, but if the NFC South promises one thing it always gives us turnover. I think the Bucs should be improved on D, even if they are leaning on rookies. If Blount continues his success Freeman should only get better. Playoffs
3. Atlanta Falcons: Hate to not put this team in the playoffs, but I don't think this team is as good as their record showed last year. I think they are missing a couple players on D, and although I love Matt Ryan, and the Jones pick, not sure if he can win shootouts with Freeman and Brees. They barely miss the playoffs.
4. Carolina Panthers: Some may be hoping for a Bradford/Rams deal here, but this division is way too strong for that. They'll be improved no matter who is under center, but they may lose a lot of their talent if there is an FA which makes their uphill battle in this division even harder.
NFC West:
1. Saint Louis Rams: They win this by default, being that they have the only viable QB in the division. Now, this team isn't atrocious, but I don't see them winning any-other division in the NFL despite what their record may show. I will say though I'm very interested to see what McDaniels can do with Bradford and Jackson Playoffs
2. Arizona Cardinals: A lot of this banks on them getting a vet QB, but still, there is some talent on this team. I expect them to sniff around .500
3. San Fransisco: Even with Patrick Willis, this is an average D. Gore can be a beast, but with his injuries he is wildly inconsistent. Finally, choosing between Alex Smith and rookie/raw Kapernick must be making Harbaugh rip out his hair. Plus, I'm not a fan of college coaches in the pro game. I'm not going to say this will be a train wreck, but it won't be pretty.
4. Seattle Seahawks: Yes they got in the playoffs and won one game, but besides that Saints game this team was atrocious for the most part. Maybe they bring Hasselbeck back, but even if they do he's so injury prone how can you rely on him? I think this could be a disaster in the making.
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The NFC East has 3 teams so close together
you could make a legitimate argument for the whatever order of 1 to 3 you want, as long as the Skins are last.
I prefer the Giants being put 3rd, because it makes it sweeter when we win the division anyway
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 19, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
glad you can be reasonable about it
I think its entirely possible for you to win the East, but I just love the Eagles firepower too much. It should be an interesting season (if there is one) in the NFC East
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I know I am being a homer & am extremely biased, but...
I honestly don’t see the Redskins being as bad as many over think ( & I’m looking right at you BBI !!, lol) They won six games last year with a much more difficult schedule & an inferior team. They are going to be a pretty good & maybe very good defensive team. They added Kerrigan & Jenkins in the draft & Atogwe in Free Agency which means they will have a legitimate pass rush & a very good secondary. I know the offense looks like a train wreck with Beck being considered the starter but how much of that is bs to get Grossman to sign or to have a little bit of leverage with any type of FAs.
Still surprised they didn’t add OL talent they desperately needed.I completely agree with this statement (& NT as well, passing over Powe in the 5th for Evan Royster??)
The NFC East should pummel them into top 10 pick range.Disagree with this statement, I think the Cowboys will be the doormat of the division, (wishful thinking ??) & the Giants will win & dominate
by ENsDad27 on May 19, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good points
but when looking at success for one season, I don’t look at how tough their schedule is based on how the teams did last year. There is just some much turnover every year that it really doesn’t matter. Look how much the opinions changed of playing teams like the Chiefs, Bucs, Bears, and adversely opinions on playing the Bengals, Vikes, etc. Its really not a good policy to look at strength of schedule.
I really didn’t discuss too many draft picks unless I thought they’d have a huge impact. I do like Kerrigan and Jenkins, but I don’t think they’ll make a huge impact. Kerrigan is gonna learn to be a LB and Jenkins was a bit of a reach. OJ Atogwe is one of the most overrated players in the league. Yes, he’s a legit starter, but I don’t see him having a huge impact. I alluded to the D getting better, but as I said it won’t matter. No QB and weak OL is a disasterous combo for any team. And no QB includes Rex Grossman, sorry.
I know its easy to say the Boys will be the doormat again, but a Garrett led Dallas and a Wade Phillips led Dallas were 2 completely different teams. I don’t see them having a similar failure of a season.
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We will see in the Fall
Very good Post, interesting & well thought out (except of course for the Redskins part..lol) Rec.d
Thanks, much appreciated
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I’m looking right at you BBI
haha, trust me ENsDad, I’d be lying to you if I said I had any faith in the Skins to do much this season. There’s just so many questions. Your DL is not set at all, if you lose Carlos Rogers that only gives you DeAngelo Hall as a very good corner. And QB…well I don’t have to say any more about that.
Granted, I think the draft was one in the right direction, but its only one step. For me, with the Skins its seeing is believing.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 19, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you ENsDad
I don’t think we’ll be picking top 10, I am surprised we didn’t add any good offensive linemen. I think for the most part our Defense will carry us this year and we should sniff somewhere between 7-9 wins because of the weakness of our schedule.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on May 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
its not like you need a Quarterback to win in the NFL
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by birds'n'raiders on May 23, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed good sir
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 19, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love the Jets over the Patsies.
And that’s just how it’ll go down. I also agree with your North and South predictions in both conferences but I’m not sure the Chargers will come in first. YOu also forgot to put an AFC South team in the playoffs and thank you for not getting on yet ANOTHER yearly Texans bandwagon because they just don’t deserve it.
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Thanks for pointing the AFC South ommission
I made sure to say in my Texans description they may get close but its the AFC and if you don’t win your division, which I dont think they will, you better have 11 wins or more, and with a D relying on rookies and second year guys thats a tall order
Who do you think will come in first in the AFC West?
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I'm thinking KC..
No offense, but your Broncs might not be much of a threat this year along with Oakland and they still have a pretty star-studded offense. I don’t think many teams will be able to figure out who they will lean on, whether it be Charles, maybe Thomas Jones now and then, Cassel to Bowe, or even a little Mccluster. Pretty dangerous if you ask me. And Eric Berry in the secondary along with Brandon Folwers and Brandon Carr is enough to convince me that their D is legit, too.
Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
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-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber
Trust me I don't think Denver's competing this year at all
I say as much in my description of them, so no offense is taken.
I do like the Chiefs as well, and they are a good team, but they are young, don’t have a consistent passing game, and are no where near as talented as the Chargers, who I admit are overrated but they are still a very good team. It will be a very close race in the West between those 2 teams, but I gotta go with Rivers on this one, although he’s the biggest douche on Earth. At this point I’d consider it a toss up but I have a feeling the Bolts will have one of those 12 wins or more regular season which will get everyone on their SB wagon. The Chiefs I don’t think are ready for that level just yet.
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Have to say that Brady is definitely more of a douche than Rivers. As a Jets fan.
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I have to disagree with you there
I personally don’t mind Brady. Rivers, on the other hand, is a total douche.
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I'd trust his opinion.
Jets fans would be the best judges considering their team is entirely comprised of them.
by Lolmoarpl0x on May 20, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
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by seton hall and steelers on May 20, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well at least Brady doesn't have sex w. a 17 year old who was still in high school.
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by NinjaZX6R on May 20, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least Sanchez doesn't dance the samba at Carnvial cruises, wair Uggs, or cry when he's drafted in the 6th.
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Brady has gisele bundchen
I think the argument is now over.
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by manraj7 on May 20, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Last time I checked,
Giselle is Brazilian and samba is a major dance in Brazil. Oh…He doesn’t wear Ugg boots. He endorses them…MAJOR difference. Oh…Brady cries? big deal…so did you head coach in Nov 2009.
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he did after the Steelers whooped him in the AFC Championship game as well
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by seton hall and steelers on May 20, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Last time I checked, Joe Flacco is better than both of them.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
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by insertscreenname on May 21, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez yes. Ben, he is on his way.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
he will never be better than Ben
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by seton hall and steelers on May 21, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
If Ben ends up winning 3 Superbowls which I feel he probably will, and Joe goes on to win 2, I can live with that.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
If Joe can win a Super Bowl, he’ll be the best QB since Trent Dilfer. That at least puts him ahead of Peyton Manning.
by Phantaskippy on May 21, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep joking around, you will be kissing my feet 5 years from now.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
They're actually similar players.
Huge passers with little to no mobility. Both have a cannon for an arm. The only difference is Roethlisberger doesn’t get sacked as much as you with think with all the pressure he’s under-obviously he uses some sort of magical powers. Meanwhile Flacco-who’s absolutely awful at recognizing pressure-tends to throw jump balls up or merely gets sacked.
by Coach Owens on May 21, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Love when people say Joe has no mobility. The guy has had some huge runs in his short career.
Joe may get sacked, but he doesn’t gamble nearly as much as Sanchez does and that is evident by Sanchez’s interception totals compared to Joe’s. I’ll take those sacks over a turnover all day.
I see both QB’s being the faces of this league 5 years from now, but I think Joe is ahead of Sanchez right now. Both are/will be good.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
If you're referring to Sanchez and Roethlisberger,
I’d put Flacco miles above the Sanchize, but still a little behind the Berg. Both (actually all 3) play second fiddle to their defenses, but Ben has come through once or twice more.
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by insertscreenname on May 21, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
As a Ravens fan I completely agree with that statement. I do think Flacco is without a doubt better than Sanchez, but Roethlisberger has the rings and is known for making plays when he needs too. I think Joe has just as much talent as Roethlisberger, but hopefully he can catch up in rings and really take the next step this year (which I think he will).
This statement is so absurdly wrong
Once or twice more? When the hell has Flacco ever come through in any playoff game? Or when the hell has he ever “come through” when he was matched up directly against Ben? It is always the opposite that happens.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He stated that Ben was better than Joe and Sanchez, what is so wrong about that?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I said once or twice more,
because Ben has 2 Super Bowls despite his play vs Seattle. Flacco does have 4 playoff wins to his credit, even if he’s played like crap in 2 of them.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Why always bring up Seattle?
We don’t want to talk about what he did against Arizona?
Ben is miles ahead of Flacco.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I said he was ahead of Flacco.
I didn’t mention Arizona because that is a game that Flacco doesn’t have at the moment – a playoff win that was completely reliant on his arm. There’s one example, but “once or twice more” was more referring to a few games in a row of quality, not a specific couple of wins.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe is closing fast.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
William Gay is a great cornerback.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well then Joe is the greatest QB to ever play the game.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
WINS ARE A BAD ARGUMENT FOR SUCCESS FOR QBS
Gosh darn guys you guys are going to give him me an ulcer.
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That's kind of the point I was making
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I didn't see it
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Well wins are by far the most important stat for a QB.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Now that's sarcasm!
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ya I saw that
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
I’ll take a 72 QB rating and a Superbowl victory from Joe over a 100 rating and loss in the playoffs every time bud.
One stat matters in this league, wins.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
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is this in the wrong spot?
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Who wouldn't want to win
what I’m trying to say is that QBs don’t deserve the credit for winning the game. You can win despite your team not having a good QB.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
They don’t deserve all the credit, but they certainly deserve the most credit in these playoff wins.
Sometimes it isn’t what you do, but what you don’t do.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Why does the stat has to go to a single player?
Why can’t it go for towards the entire team? If it needs to be on one person why not the HC?
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
That stat applies to every player on the team and every coach as well.
However, the QB position is magnified because it is the most important position on the team. So when the QB minimizes his mistakes such as turning the ball over, that impacts the game a little more than players making mistakes at other positions.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
are we picking for past performance or future?
I think the 100 rating is a better predictor of future success than the win, but obviously if we are picking past performance I’d have rather won.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on May 22, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You just won't admit that your quaterback is totally whipped and isn't as cool as Mark...
Even with all of these Brady fans you have here my opinion that Tom Brady is the biggest douche in the NFL won’t change.
Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber
wot?
cool…sure…i guess sleeping w. a 17 year old is cool. Now…damn..need to find some high schooler tonight to sleep with. Guess we all have to be a pedobear in order to be ‘cool’ like Mark Sanchez. Oh while I’m doing the 17 year old, I’ll make sure to wipe my booger on her!
Oh folks here are not Brady fans..They are Giants, 49ers and Steeler fans. If making $50+ million per year and being married to a super model makes a douche…Boy…I’m sure most of us here would love to be douchebag.
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by NinjaZX6R on May 20, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude if gisele was my wife I would be whipped too.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
dude if gisele was my wife I would be whipped too.
You forgot the word gladly, between be and whipped :)
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Just a little memory lapse
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
When you win Super Bowls and are married to a Brazilian supermodel,
you can do those things. And grow your hair out. Until then, perform on the field.
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by insertscreenname on May 21, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
oh...btw..I forgot about this.
Your QB…went to a ’Bieber concert…your sig is a fail.
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In Bill We Trust.
Not at all.
Are you denying that Brady is just like Bieber? The hair, the emotion, the gayness? Who cares if Sanchez goes to his concery Brady was probably backstage taking pointers…
Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber
His hair is about 6 inches longer than Bieber's.
Sanchez was only there to pick up anyway
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
no
Sanchez was there to pick up jail baits. Makes sense.
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In Bill We Trust.
That's what I said.
He was there to pick up.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
gayness…boy…Good luck in college. Brady is married to a supermodel.
Let’s see…
a) goes to a Beiber concert.
b) sleeps w. a 17 year old..not a one night stand.
..yeah
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In Bill We Trust.
Whatever your like a tryhard gamer on the internet..you won't lose
So I give up but I’m taking my opinion with me. No annoying Patsies fan can change Brady’s hilarious screw ups.
Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber
There's only one troll here...
If ur gonna ragequit wen ur getting pwnd, dont cry bout it
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not much sense made there, pal...
Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber
LOL. He was my first ban on PP.
for trolling and he sucks at it. Does the same crap over at MTD when they did the MTD mocks (where the head writers picked the players) articles.
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In Bill We Trust.
Same here for your pedobear qb.
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In Bill We Trust.
LT never played for the Jest there big guy
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I don't think that girl was in high school though.
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by insertscreenname on May 21, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
ahahahahahahahahahaha
Jets over Pats…
What has NY done to make their offense better?
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by insertscreenname on May 21, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
thanks
I have trouble seeing Atlanta repeat their success again this year, but the Bucs I really like, especially getting to high impact guys at positions of need
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Quick, name their starting OLine
Their starting LBs. Their 3rd and 4th WRs. I bet most people here can’t. They have some good players. But they are still building. Their best defender may not play. Their defensive captain may not be resigned. Both DEs drafted could bust. Yeah, Blount had a good year. The last power RB to have a good career not named Bettis? Might have been before half of MTD’s active posters were born. Make that three quarters.
Last two times the Giants played them, the difficulty was in how to tastefully pull starters and still appear to be going all out while trying not to hurt anyone or run up the score.
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you didn't play the Bucs last year...
This is a different team. They have a young QB who I think is better then Matt Ryan. They have WR’s who can make plays, Winslow’s there as well. Blount is a player, he was before the punch and he still is, I don’t buy your power back argument. McCoy by all reports should be fine, and also their second round pick (Brian Price) who was playing better then McCoy in TC. Talib may be gone, but I wouldn’t consider that a great loss to this team.
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by DBroncs1414 on May 21, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm?
"You're gonna notice me when I come in. I'm gonna make a statement without opening my mouth, and when I leave, you're gonna remember that."
Yeah, I'm a little off the reservation on this
But the Bucs lately have been getting the ass kissing normally reserved for Peyton Manning and Belichick. And Matt Ryan. You want my respect, beat Atlanta or NO mid season.
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun."
Someone is getting a little envious of the Buc's getting attention.
From a New York fan it’s kind of sad to be jealous of a little positive press for a small market team.
I don't want to make excuses at all, but i'm going to say that in both the ATL games- we had reasonable excuses
"You're gonna notice me when I come in. I'm gonna make a statement without opening my mouth, and when I leave, you're gonna remember that."
I agree
the whole NFC South had their records boosted up by playing the NFC West.
i think everyone regresses in the division
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The Falcons and Saints aren't as good as advertised
Both barely beat a horribly coached Niners team. If I had to pick the best team in the NFC South it would be the Bucs.
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The Saints can be much better if they are on their game, I don't think they are THAT overrated.
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We run from red & blue lights to get that green
But whoever got that white is winnin like Charlie Sheen
I thought they were overrated when I saw them play the niners.
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They were on their, what, 10th RB?
Brees didn’t play at his 09 actual-MVP level, but he was still effective, even when he was throwing flick passes straight to DEs.
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by insertscreenname on May 29, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Well it was one of the first three weeks of the year
so Bush was still in the game. In fact we broke Bush
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probably caught them napping a bit.
Brees had a down year last year, most likely because he was forced to do a bit too much.
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by insertscreenname on May 29, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Our defensive captain is awful, really really awful
Cock my 40 glock and my partna just bought a replica
Now Asians sayin they don’t keep no cash in they register
We run from red & blue lights to get that green
But whoever got that white is winnin like Charlie Sheen
Cards won't have a better record than the Niners
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
why?
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Way worse D
and their O is overrated
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Also the Niners D isn't mediocre
the coaching staff thought that it would be better if they played prevent D if they have a 1 TD lead. And the Niners are the most talented team in the NFC West. With half decent coaching the Niners would have won the division.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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I'm not gonna accuse you of being a homer manraj
but I’m gonna have to disagree with your analysis. Plus I think its your offensive woes that will be your team’s downfall
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Its pretty hard to have success running the ball (because we only threw it on 3rd down or when we were down 21 points) when the other team knew where we were going to go.
god the coaching was awful last year. In fact once Sing was fired players said that they felt relaxed because they practiced goal line situations.
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We'll see how the coaching improves
I like Harbaugh but college coaches going pro is and always will be an uphill battle. Plus, I just don’t see the talent you do on your D. From my eyes, your DL’s good, I’ll give you that, but I heard you may lose Franklin. Willis is a total beast, but your CB’s suck and your S’s aren’t good enough to make up for them, especially Mays who has little football sense. I don’t expect a disastorous year but I expect the type of year anyone would with a new HC, raw or bad QB play (depending on who they go with) and the focal point of your O being injury prone.
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by DBroncs1414 on May 21, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If my dog was the new coach it would be better coached.
Franklin is probably leaving but Soap is a beast against the run, 3rd or 4th in run stoppage to his side, and he is supposedly the back up plan. Although I agree that our CB and secondary sucks you can cover that. Can’t cover coaching and that was the weakest part of our team. In fact if Clements slid in the Falcons game after he picked off Ryan we would’ve been in the playoffs. If we didn’t play prevent D during the final two minutes of the Saints game we would’ve been in the playoffs. We were so close.
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that's a very smart dog you have there
back to your secondary, yes you can cover a weak secondary, but you do so with a pass rush, and quite frankly you don’t have the secondary to do that, unless Aldon Smith totally beasts but for a player as raw as he is it would be foolish to say he could.
I like Harbaugh, and you can make all the jokes you want about how bad Sing was, but until I see Harbaugh buck the college coaches in pro football trend, I can’t see him stepping in and taking this team to the playoffs. And I hate using this but this is a QB driven league, and between Kap as a rookie and Alex Smith as… himself… you don’t have much there.
I don’t think it’ll be a bad year, but this is a team that will have to go through some growing pains. I’m not saying rebuilding mode but I can’t see a team in your state knocking on the door, even in the NFC West
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you can cover a weak secondary with a good pass rush
but you don’t have the *pass rush to do that
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The only blitz we used last year was send P.Willis up the middle.
Other than that we sent our least efficient pass rusher to go after the QB. If you look at PFF stats Lawson was one of the most efficient pass rushers in the League but we decided to drop him into coverage instead of sending him.
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He sleeps most of the time
at least he won’t tell the offense. Ok we are doing great but I want to run it more. Right after they score a TD or believe that we aren’t going to outsmart a team we are going to out muscle them. Really its called scheming. Even if Harbaugh uses his offense that he is used at Stanford, he isn’t they are changing it up, it would be better than last year.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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No way will the Cardinals get to .500.
Their offense is absolutely awful (no QB, mediocre RBs, old and terrible OL, only one good receiver).
you must be high
Bears were the luckiest team in the NFL last year…Packers are so much better its not even funny
That's the most questionable placement IMO
The Packers won the SB with quite a few injuries at key positions. They return the same team that was the best last year plus they add a very good RB in Grant and a stud TE in Jermichael Finley. If they can get Randall Cobb and maybe even Sherrod to contribute early…they are going to be unfairly good.
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by John Stephens on May 20, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed not to mention they were missing a couple of starters on D as well. They have to be not only the #1 team in the division, but overall IMO.
yeah and his main argument is that he doesn't see the run game continuing
their run game was 24th in the league last year..I think they can easily reach that and will probably surpass it
by tmoneyttime1 on May 20, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see the running game
from the playoffs continuing, looking at it now I can see how that could be misconstrued but I meant to say that I don’t see the Pack run the ball like they did in the postseason, even with Grant coming back
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The way the league is now you don’t have to have a dynamic running game. Some of the previous champs the Packers,Saints, Colts and Pats never had an elite running game and still won it all. Obviously it helps to have an effective running game, but I don’t think its necessary anymore and they have guys that can at least do enough to get the job done. The thing all of them have in common is an elite QB. I would much rather have an elite QB and an average running game over an average QB and elite running game ( which the bears are just average in both IMO).
O I fully agree you can win it all without a run game
I just don’t see them winning the NFC North without one. And I don’t believe the Bears are average in either. Plus, its not like this is completely out of left field, they won this division last year.
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dude look at the stats
they averaged 101 yards per game in the playoffs compared to 100.5 in the regular season….only the falcons game they had a really good running game
by tmoneyttime1 on May 21, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I’m still sticking with the Bears and don’t think ou’ll have a good run game throughout next season, which will cost you the division. But still, I think you guys are easily a double digit win team
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Actually I haven't been high since the 4th of April
so no, I wasn’t high when I did this. I fail to see how they were so lucky, they won this same division over you guys last year, and I think thye can do it again
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Eh...
For one, I’d say lucky in the sense they got stupidly lucky breaks that changed the outcome of major games.
Second, they beat their divisional opponents in scenarios that I don’t think hold up this year. They had close games with the Lions who can only improve this year; split with the Packers in the regular season and lost their last two meetings when it mattered most. Vikings have a good shot at being a Top 5 pick team in 2012 so I don’t expect much to change there.
Just the way I see it, but the Bears have a stupidly tough early schedule compared to their easy one last year. Falcons, at Saints, Packers, and at Detroit in the first five weeks. Very good shot they go 1-4 over that stretch, and 1-4 might place them out of the divisional running depending on how the Pack and Lions start. Because their season doesn’t get any easier from there with @ Tampa, @ Philly, and the Chargers.
I just feel like a lot of things fell into place for them last year, whereas this year is much tougher in the division and out of it, and I don’t think they’re talented enough to keep up.
by Gitaroo_Dude on May 21, 2011 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Dang man, even the Lions are going to be better if Stafford stays healthy.
Bank it.
Chicago has talent, yes, but you can’t argue against the absolute MASS of talent that Mayhew has put together in Detroit.
by Doc Scratch on May 21, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ravens
I have no problem with our division rankings because we do need to beat Pitt when it counts for it to change. I do however think we are just as talented and think Flacco will take the next step this season. He has improved every year and has more weapons to work with now. Will be a great battle as always.
I think you are just as talented as well
but as I say in my description it just hasn’t come together as well as it should, IMO. This could be the year it does, but till I see it they’re second in my rankings
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Good standings Dbronc
Very fair analysis of the west.
Witnessed Playoffs last: April 28, 2008
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thanks teach
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Colt McCoy is the most overrated QB in the NFL?!
Huh?! Don’t you have to be rated to be overrated? Who the heck is rating this kid?
Who are you?!
I'm Kick Ass!
I think he's competent with some promise to be more than that
does that count as rating him? If it does he would have to be pretty terrible to be more overrated than anyone else in the league.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on May 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I said overrated because a lot of people fully believe Colt McCoy proved he is the answer in Cleveland
and I think that’s wrong. Overrated may be the wrong word but as of now I wouldn’t even call him a good QB. If I think of a better word I’ll change it but for now that’s how I feel on him
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The kid showed flashes
He did help his team beat New England and New Orleans. But that is about it. He’s got a way to go.
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by TexasGarcia37 on May 20, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Flashes is debatable
I didn’t really see him make impressive throws. I think he’s a severley limited player in the pros. But I’m not here to beat the kid down, all I’m saying is a QB as raw as him with a HC who’s brand spanking new in a lockout plus there D which is bad is a bad combination. It wont be a pretty 2011 season in Cleveland, that is if we have one
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We are saying same thing
I love the kid for what he did for our college, but he doesn’t have a hold on that job. But I wouldn’t bet against him. Kids has intangibles that will make up for his lack of arm strength.
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by TexasGarcia37 on May 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Patriots were supposed to finish behind the Jets and Dolphins last season.
I’m fine with this. As for not improving the defense, they featured eight defensive starters in their first three seasons in the league. This team will get better with time and that’s a great improvement. Adding another rookie into such a young defense doesn’t really do much, nor does it give the already young players a chance to develop. Meriweather/Sanders at FS and Wilfork at NT were the only two 4+ year starters on the defense. G Warren was new to the team, Banta-Cain was benched and everyone else was young/new.
by Richard Hill on May 20, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate betting against BB
Maybe the D won’t be atrocious but you lack any semblance of a pass rush and besides Wilfork your DL’s pitiful.
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Patriots D is young
I think they only go up from where they were.
Ravens taking the division this year, no doubt about it. We are not going on the road for the playoffs for a 4th straight year. Time for Pitt to come to Bodymore for the AFCCG and get the ass whoopin they deserve.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
good freaking joke my friend
We gonna sweep you in the regular season and take the division. And then beat you in the AFC Championship game and then win the Super Bowl. Then Harbaugh will be fired and Flacco will be cut.
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by seton hall and steelers on May 21, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Flacco is licking his chops knowing that a rookie and William Gay will be your top 2 CB next season. Better pray you give Ike his money, because he is the last hope you guys have to even be competitive next year.
: )
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Not to mention Mount Cody is going to breakout this year and that’s 700 pounds of beef on our D line. Roethlisberger is going to get more than his nose broke this year.
Our DL will be nasty this year. Cody is going to be that quiet beast though, as he will be eating up double teams all the time. All we need Cody to do is close up the middle in the run game, that is it.
Also don’t sleep on McKinney, that guy saw nearly as much playing time if not more than Cody last year. Coaches think highly of him and he is a big, big boy as well.
Hopefully Kruger does his thing this year, I really like the guy and want to give him some time. But man could we use some help from him.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Breakout of what? His XXXL pants? That fat ass is going to eat himself stupid with all this down time.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He's actually going to eat himself? Wow
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Look up figures of speech and get back to me
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, I'm calling him fat too.
read things through a couple of times and wonder if you’re missing something.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Flacco will probably make Big Play William Gay look like Nnamdi this season.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Get real now. You know that your secondary is probably the worst in the league right now. God forbid overrated Troy goes down with yet another injury, I can see offenses passing for 400+ on you next year, including Baltimore. Torrey Smith is going to eat you alive, and you are WELL aware of this.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
It will sure be hard to guard that "phenom" Torrey
That single route he has is pretty good.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Hating already?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
lolz
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Your team is going to look so different 3 years from now. I cannot wait for the slow fall of Steeler “Nation.” In no time, Smith, Hampton, Kiesel, Farrior, Harrison, Clark, Troy, Ike will all either be ineffective because they will be 34+ or retired. I am sure you will say Chris Hoke or some scrub like Crezdon Butler is going to be a stud, but I ain’t worried.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Man, the Steelers shouldn’t have sat out the draft these last few years I guess.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys well in the draft, just stating that your team is going to look very, very different a few years from now and that could end up being a bad thing. You have such a good defense right now, but it is filled with so many aging veterans.
On the other side, Baltimore is going to look pretty much the same for a while with only getting better.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Hard to replace someone of Lewis' ability, though.
If you can find someone who;s half the player, you’ve done well.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Well of course. We are going to miss Reed and Ray, but not as much as people will think. Ray is in there right now more of a coach on the field than he is for his physical skills. The guy can’t cover for shit, and it hurts us very much. Next year’s draft class is filled with ILB talent, so we can snatch up one of those guys.
But besides those guys, we have a very, very young and talented team with guys like Ngata, Suggs, and Smith to take over as the key players in our defense.
Baltimore has shown they can win without Reed and Ray and have done so in the recent past. Pittsburgh has showed they are a .500 football team without Troy. And when Harrison leaves, shit goes down hill.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Troy is not the centerpiece of this defense now. It is Lawrence Timmons. He is the dynamic playmaker. When Troy went out in 2009 Timmons had a high ankle sprain, which made it easy to expose Farrior.
Two things have changed since that debacle. We now have talented depth at both positions. Will Allen filled in for Troy last year and he was much less of a liability. We also have Sly and Foote at ILB.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He may not be the centerpiece, but it obviously shows how much less of a talented team you guys are when he is not in there. Isn’t the record like 7-9 or something like that?
If he goes down again for a stretch of games, your team is in trouble more than I think they would if Timmons went down. He is your last hope in that horrific secondary (doesn’t it suck now that a Baltimore fan says how bad your secondary is?)
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Well if you want to have a belief that is wrong, I guess I cannot change your mind.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, do you really think that your defense would be worse without TImmons than it would Troy? Timmons is a very good player, but we are talking about arguably the most dominant defensive player in the NFL in Troy. Your record itself without Troy speaks for how poor your team plays without him.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
That must have been painful to type...
we are talking about arguably the most dominant defensive player in the NFL in Troy.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really, I have stated it in the past. Troy is a freak when healthy and in my opinion the best one on one tackler in the league along with a great cover guy when healthy.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Yes. Timmons is that good. And that important to our defense. Will Allen, right now, is a better replacement than Foote or Sly.
Your record itself without Troy speaks for how poor your team plays without him.I just explained how this is not the same. All of those games without Troy we had Tyrone Carter who was awful. The back ups are completely different now. Not too add, those games that Troy was out so was Aaron Smith and Timmons had the high ankle sprain. People love to point out that Troy was out, but they completely ignore the other problems we had.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright then. Will Allen, Clark, a rookie and Williams Gay will do just fine if Troy goes down.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Why a rookie?
Ike, McFadden, Gay
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Those Ike comments aren’t disturbing to you? He said he wants to be paid, and is your front office going to give him that 7-8 million a year he is looking for?
McFadden and Gay are dookie on a stick. They wouldn’t even make the Ravens roster.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
And we will pay him. He is that talented.
Again, I would like to point out how our pass defense was ranked in the top 5 in almost every category with those 3. You really are looking awfully wrong here.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Stats are for accountants.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
So you’re argument is that Kevin Colbert just got lucky for a few years? Every team reloads when players get old. Some teams just do it better than other teams. Part of that is due to their drafting and the other part is the coaching. The Steelers excel at both of them. Sometimes your head is so far up Ozzie’s butt that I don’t think you realize other teams draft just as well and better than him.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I know Colbert is one of the best out there. I never said he wouldn’t reload, I only stated that your defense is going to look very, very different in the near future, and no one knows how that will work out.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
A lot of those young players are already on the roster. Ziggy, Heyward, McLendon, Worilds, Sly, Mundy, and maybe a few more from this draft in Carter and the CBs. I’m really not worried about it.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are going to be losing 5-6 current or former pro bowl players within the next few years. I am sure Colbert will reload, but I doubt it will be to the extent of the talent your defense has had the last few years.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I will enjoy you being wrong again.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't agree with Bears over Packers
They were recipients of lucky breaks all year (the Lions fiasco comes to mind) plus a relatively easier schedule. I think they finish 2nd at best, with an outside chance the Lions overtake them throughout the course of the season. Really depends if Detroit’s offense clicks and Stafford can stay healthy.
Flacco will choke in big games again and hold the Ravens back; the play that’s always burnt into my mind is the second Pitt game last season, where late in the game Flacco has a guy open during the comeback drive and under throws him. Guy will never get over the hump.
Not sure if the Niners can win the division at this point, everything hinges on the lockout. I’m positive they’ll finish above the Cards though. I’m ready to get heat for this, but Alex Smith will be a better QB than any veteran the Cards can sign, including Kolb. Rams and the Niners battle for the NFC West (what an accomplishment!) with the Rams probably holding the edge by virtue of having an established head coach.
Don’t think the Raiders end up dead last. They made strides last year that’ll be hard to simply stumble from, and I’ve heard that Jackson was more responsible for the Raiders’ resurgence than Cable was. We’ll see next year. I’m curious to see if the Chiefs are the real deal; they had a cream puff schedule last year so 2011 should be interesting now that Weiss is gone.
This is football
lucky teams are good teams, although I’ll agree on that Lions game. I think there’s a chance the BEars finish 2nd, but in my eyes they have a very good D, a QB that can stretch the entire field, an improved OL with Carimi and another year this unit is under Tice, and finally Forte is a very good RB who when Martz actually gives him the ball he does great things with it. People keep sleeping on the Bears but they took 2nd in the entire NFC and were a TD away from the SB, I fail to see that as all “luck”
I don’t even think its choking for Flacco, I just think this O is very talented yet they don’t play to the level that would suggest. Cam’s a great offensive mind but this O didn’t click as well as it should’ve in my mind and with the lockout I don’t see that changing.
I guess I’m the only one buying the Cards. I think from head to toe they are the most talented roster in the NFC West, and a vet QB could likely win it. People have been saying for years now that the 49ers are very talented and can win this division, but they haven’t. Manraj up to says its because of coaching, but until Harbaugh proves he can coach at this level I don’t see him taking this team over the Cards. It really is every year though where the 49ers are projected to win the West and they never do, and rarely come close.
For the Raiders, they can easily stumble, that’s why they do. Jackson is a good playcaller, but Cable finally got those guys to play well together, something they never have done since 2003. A lot of Raiders weren’t happy with Cable’s firing, and he was only fired because he butt heads with Davis. The only reason Jackson is the HC is because he’s willing to suck up to Davis and do whatever he tells him. That’s far from a winning formula.
If you reply to a comment/post/fanshot of mine, I will more likely then not respond to it, unless you come off like a d-bag.
I'm fine with the Bengals being positioned where they are.
You hit the nail on the head with the Browns analysis, that defense is more than enough to put them in the cellar considering they’re transitioning to a 4-3 this year. That’s going to take a year’s work in terms of playing and they need a lot more 4-3 pieces.
I think the Bengals are just as talented of a team as the Ravens (MaLoR will probably disagree), it’s just that the difference between Baltimore and Cincinnati is the coaching (and even that might be growing debatable depending on how good Gruden is) and the F.O. Cincinnati doesn’t build with a plan in mind, Baltimore does. Therefore, the Ravens can put together a good team and replace the parts that don’t work anymore. Cincinnati is constantly rebuilding because it doesn’t know what it wants to be. That’s why the wheels continually come off for Cincinnati while Baltimore routinely purrs.
Providing there’s some consistency in the coaching and play (especially on the defensive side of the ball), we can probably overtake Baltimore in two years, depending on how well Dalton pans out.
I think the Bengals are just as talented of a team as the Ravens (MaLoR will probably disagree),
Yes, I disagree on so many levels.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
fuck all you jets and sanchez haters
you all fail to mention sanchez has 4 away playoff wins ,outplayed a pathetic brady in his house , beat out the best qb manning , all this after playing a handful of games in college
how many playoff games has brady won since they stopped CHEATING ? zero
sanchez has progressed very well so far and so what if he slep with a 17 year old girl , its not illegal , rape is ( steelers trash) .
sanchez didn’t lose us the steelers game it was our run defence that cost us that game . funny thing is ben cost the steelers another ring against the packers .
if its for you it won't pass you
Easy with the language, people love to hate on young QB’s who they know are really good like Sanchez and Flacco. These Brady, Manning and Ben lovers are just worried that the young guys right now are going to be taking over their beloved QB’s status 5 years from now.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Not too concerned with Sanchez.
Guys that only have passer ratings in the 60s don’t last too long in the league.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I don’t think Sanchez is THAT great, but he is going to get better. People get too caught up in expecting their first year QB to win them a Superbowl right away, especially after they taste it.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
2 wins actually...
i believe our team went 18-1 that season…
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Wrong answer. It's 14
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
might not be illegal...but creepy as hell.
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Its illegal
at least it is in California. Having sex with a minor is considered statutory rape.
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It happened in NJ or NY
don’t know whether it’s illegal or not. Still creepy..24 year old sleeping w. a 17 year old who was still in HS. yuck
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would it be creepy for a 17 year old guy to sleep with a 24 year old girl ?
hell no .
not sure of the age of consent in american but in ireland its 16 . if its older than 16 in american then they would have to build a serious amount of prisons to lock 3/4 of the population up .
and on the yuck part , do you not determine that by looks rather than age?
if you were 24 would you turn down a 17 year super model for an older toothless crack hoe ? if your answer is yes you are either a virgin or in need of some serious medication lol
if its for you it won't pass you
well
Well, she told Mark she was 17 and He will went with it. Not sure how she was allowed into a club at the age of 17.
if you were 24 would you turn down a 17 year super model for an older toothless crack hoe ?
I would turn down both.
a) too young
b) (crack hoe) ewwww.seriously? lol
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In Bill We Trust.
so at 24 you would turn down a 17 year old super model ?
would it be because you might be breaking the law , worried what your friends would say or are you just plain crazy ?
if you were 50 would you turn down a 20 year old super model ?
if its for you it won't pass you
I wouldn't if I was 50
but I would if I was 24 and 17. I prefer not to get arrested charged for rape then have to register as a sexual offender.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Btw the hand rule is half your age +7
is the youngest you should go.
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Its statutory rape.
There is a double standard hate to break it to you and we are talking about age not looks. Considering that he is the starting QB for a NY sports team I’m sure he can get the pick of a litter.
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by manraj7 on May 21, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lemme check
Yup he got lucky its 17. Although she is a minor. Lucky he wasn’t in Cali.
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In Jersey
16 is the age of consent.
17 in new york
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having sex with a minor is wrong but having sex with a miner is really wrong lol
if its for you it won't pass you
oh..
and the Jets have not won a super bowl since the Moon Landings.
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oh and the pats have not won a super bowl that hasn't a big ? hanging over it
if its for you it won't pass you
winning
did you really just say the QB won the game? So your D or the Running game has nothing to do with it?
sanchez has progressed very well so far and so what if he slep with a 17 year old girl , its not illegal , rape is
Its statutory rape bro still illegal.
sanchez didn’t lose us the steelers game it was our run defence that cost us that game . funny thing is ben cost the steelers another ring against the packers .
So QBs can win games but they don’t lose them. Man I hate the winning QB argument. Unless Sanchez plays D, ST and runs the ball he doesn’t win games.
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by manraj7 on May 21, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
someone got butthurt
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
manraj7
winning
did you really just say the QB won the game? So your D or the Running game has nothing to do with it?
sanchez has progressed very well so far and so what if he slep with a 17 year old girl , its not illegal , rape is
Its statutory rape bro still illegal.
sanchez didn’t lose us the steelers game it was our run defence that cost us that game . funny thing is ben cost the steelers another ring against the packers
.So QBs can win games but they don’t lose them. Man I hate the winning QB argument. Unless Sanchez plays D, ST and runs the ball he doesn’t win games.
just to clarify from my above comments
sanchez has 4 away playoff wins ,outplayed a pathetic brady in his house , beat out the best qb manning , all this after playing a handful of games in college.
which part of my comments say the qb won us the game ?
maybe you should read my post closer next time so as not to post a silly reply about something i didn’t say .
if its for you it won't pass you
sanchez has 4 away playoff wins
that one
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having 4 away playoff wins is different from saying he won us 4 playoff games
do you not agre ?
i said one thing and you suggested i said the other .
if its for you it won't pass you
No
it means the exact same thing. You are giving Sanchez the credit for winning. Its an invalid argument for success. In that world Trent Dilfer is better than QB than Dan Marino.
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how does it mean the exact same thing ?
saying sanchez has 4 playoff wins is me stating the fact that he has played and CONTRIBUTED to those 4 wins
saying sanchez won us 4 playoff game to me means sanchez was the reason we won those games .
that is why i chose my words very carefully so people can’t change what i’m saying to suit their own argument .
braylon has 4 playoff wins , revis has 4 playoff wins etc etc . all have contributed to those wins but that doesn’t mean they were all the sole reason for winning those games .
jees its like trying to explain the offside rule to my wife lol
if its for you it won't pass you
dude use the reply button
Its not a valid argument. Jeez its like I’m talking to my dog.
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by manraj7 on May 22, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just because he is on a winning team does not make him good.
Its not logical. We don’t say that Nick Folk is better than Sebastian Janikowski because he went to the AFC championships twice. Nor is it logical to say that Matt Dodge the giants P is better than Andy Lee because the Giants won 10 games to the niners 6. Wins have nothing to do with how well a player plays it shows how well the team plays.
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would it be logical to say that sanchez has played better in the playoffs than brady ?
if its for you it won't pass you
Yes, that is a logical argument
saying that Sanchez is good because the Jets won is not.
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by manraj7 on May 22, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think using kickers in an argument about QB’s might not be the best way of getting your point across, lol.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Why not they help win games don't they?
Thats his argument that its an ok measure of success because they help win games. Would you argue that Bartt Scott is better than Patrick Willis?
Kellen Moore is awesome
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All the players seeing playing time contribute to winning games. Not sure what you are trying to prove.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Its a bad point of success
just because a team win doesn’t make an individual players good.
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In my opinion, yes it does. This aint basketball or baseball where flash and stats are always going to get you the win.
The Quarterback is the single most important position in football and in sports, so when you get a win, your QB played good enough. I’ll take 11/26 with 125 yards and 3 ints in a win over 24/31 340 yards and 3 TD’s in a loss everyday, and my QB did just a fine job if that is the case.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Agreed. While some of these young QB’s have not went out and been the sole purpose for winning, they definitely haven’t been a liability either. The QB touches the ball on every snap and to get that amount of wins they have to be doing something right. In the Ravens games it would be great to see Flacco throw for 300 plus and we crush the team, but he has at least done enough to get the wins and that’s what’s important whether you win by 30 or 3 isn’t. Sanchez is the same way and while I don’t think he has the physical tools of Flacco, he certainly has done enough to make the Jets contenders the last few seasons.
So does the Center
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Lol, the Niners lack of winning lately might have you not seeing what we are trying to say.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
So trent dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino
and Big Ben is better than Steve Young. Big Ben is also better than Peyton Manning. Makes sense I mean he won more games and more superbowls than him. He must have played well enough to win those games ignore the fact that the Steelers have a good D he must be covering those CBs as well. Hell spend all the money on a QB thats all you need to win.
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Jesus man, relax. Stop trying to put words in my mouth that I never said. Dilfer is not better than Marino, but did accomplish something that Dan couldn’t. Ben is not better than Manning, but has accomplished more than Manning has. That is a tribute to their abilities in crunch time.
Hell spend all the money on a QB thats all you need to win.
Yea, well Indy has been doing that the last 10 years and look how well it has worked out for them with arguably the greatest QB to ever play.
Stop being sarcastic.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
You just said that the other stats don't matter if the QB wins.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Ok?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I will spell it out for you, mathematically
Assume what Mr. Malor said is true: Stats are irrelevant if the QB wins only if the QB is a franchise QB and the wins occur in the playoffs.
Big Ben won 2 superbowls and went to 3
Peyton Manning won 1 superbowl and went to 2
2>1 and 3 > 2
therefore Big Ben is better than Peyton Manning
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Ben played as well in XL as Peyton did in XLI,
Plus had a good XLIII, so… why not?
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Ben won in XL
so he played better. Sorry bro
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Unless I got the games messed up
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Bro being Peyton Manning,
because I was sarcastically agreeing with your sarcasm. I think.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Many people might tell you Ben is better than Manning, he has obviously accomplished more than Manning has. Do you play this game for great stats or victories in January and February?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Who would you rather have on your team?
Peyton or Big Ben
Kellen Moore is awesome
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many people will tell you the sun goes around the earth.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on May 22, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hold on for a second
so if a QB goes 11/26 125 yards and 3 int and they win they played well. Thats just crazy. I guess that means Dan Marino is a sucky QB.
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Not saying he played well, but if he gets the win with those stats, he played well enough obviously.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Thats called winning inspite of the QB.
Not that the QB played well enough to win. For example if the LT gives up 5 sacks in the game do you consider him a good LT if the team wins or do you say “hmm maybe we need a new LT”?
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But when you know that your QB is very good and capable of doing every thing on the field, that is where we are saying it is alright for those guys to not put up great stats as long as they get the W.
We are not talking about some scrub QB’s or anything, we are talking about 2 franchise QB’s who have WON in the playoffs. You are looking at this in way too much of a broad sense.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
The bigger the limitation the worse the theorem is.
So we are now just limiting it to franchise QBs in the playoffs?
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This was an argument about Sanchez and how he has played well enough to give the Jets some great success, and then you or whoever else took it to another level by saying that you thought the guy was saying Sanchez was the sole reason they won.
Obviously there are QB’s better than others in this league, we know who the cream of the crop is.
All we are saying is that you don’t need to have insane stats to be a very successful QB in this league. You need to be a sound QB on a good team. There is a reason why there are 53 men on a roster bud.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I'm just trying to say that saying a QB has playoff wins is not a valid argument for success.
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Lol, alright. You got it bud.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
doesn’t mean he sucks at all. What it means is good teams not individuals win games. Yes they might not be the sole reason for the win, but they did enough to get the job done. If your QB is a liability and terrible your not going to win games no matter how good the rest of the team is and that’s because it’s the most important position. The Vikings really aren’t a bad team overall when healthy and either are your 49ers. Lack of QB play is whats holding back those teams and the Jets and Ravens would be in similar boats if our QB’s were that big of a problem.
Thats what I'm trying to fucking say
What it means is good teams not individuals win games.
wins are a fucking team stat not a QB stat.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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and what I’m saying is the QB is the most important position on the team. Nobody has more control of the outcome more than the QB and even if you have a good team all around your QB you still are not going to be very good if he is a liability. You don’t win playoff games when you have a liability at QB.
Speaking of which,
The Jets are in that exact position. But they have been able to place their QB in situations where he can play to his strengths, and he can sort of make up the difference.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You can still win
and you can lose even if you have the best QB ever. Wins are a team stat and not just the burden of the QB.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Wins are a team stat and not just the burden of the QB.
I don’t think anyone here has disagreed with you on this either.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
If wins are a team stat then how can 1 guy be considered good because the team wins.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
But all that we have been trying to say is that QB’s more are judged by wins than any other position.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
It shouldn't happen
its wrong. For example if the offense scores 45 points and the QB throws for 6TD and 0 int but the D let the other team score 46 why should the QB be judged?
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Life isn’t fair. It’s not the way it should be, but that’s how it goes as an NFL QB. When you win you get all the glory, when you lose you take the blame. Just comes with the territory.
by AV23 on May 22, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is it
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The QB is going to be judged, and most likely going to get a very high praise for his effort in a game like that.
You are breaking this done way more than it should be.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Depends if they do what they needed to do.
I’m in disagreement with the original scenario, with a couple of clarifying comments –
Did the QB convert on the crucial plays (the 3rd down at the end of the AFCCG, for example)?
Were the interceptions his fault, and were they in critical situations (red zone, last quarter, etc)?
And the eye test – did your team win because of the QB, or despite him? 11/26 doesn’t matter if he completes all 11 passes to run out the clock.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a Jets fan. Very good chance your dog is smarter.
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
coming from a guy born in a country formed from english criminals ,i'll take that as a compliment lol
you being a spurs fan, i know my dog is smarter lol
if its for you it won't pass you
There's a bandwagon joke here somewhere...
unless you’re affiliated with the club in some way, or from Manchester.
And I ask you, is it criminal to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yes it is
especially if you steal it from another starving family .
oh and i ain’t no band wagon jumper , i was a man u fan from 1983 i even remember when we signed alan brazil from your beloved spurs .
i’d say its you thats the bandwagon jumper being a pats fan or is it just because it has the word england in their name lol
i’ve been to more united games than you have seen taigh kennelly playing for the swans .
if its for you it won't pass you
how the heck do you know what i mean when i post here?
that sun must be getting to you .
i’m telling you what i mean and your saying i’m wrong . what a dick
if its for you it won't pass you
and i'm saying that to a guy who supports man u . it breaks my heart lol
if its for you it won't pass you
sanchez has played and won 23 games in two years in the nfl
not a bad record for a guy who played a handful of games in college.
i can understand all the hate from the pats fans , i’d be pretty pissed if sanchez came to my house and outplayed tom bieber in the playoffs .
i don’t mind if brady plays better than sanchez in the season , i’ll take how sanchez playes in the playoffs over that any day.
if its for you it won't pass you
Once again
as he said above, Jamarcus could win with that team and their defense. Sanchez is not as good as people want to believe he is
by Jagsrok9008 on May 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes with the weapons that Sanchez has
Give them to anybody and they could succeed
Get some impact players!!
Put him on the Rams
And he’d suck, he’s not as good as Bradford, Ryan, or Flacco
Get some impact players!!
Or Freeman, from his class.
Stafford… he’s more talented by far, he just needs to play 16 games this year.
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by insertscreenname on May 23, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
so....
Ravens – Steelers flameoff and ‘Mark Sanchez is a pedo’ debate? YAY LOCKOUT!
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
Ravens - Steelers argument would happen anyway
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it always does
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
: )
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
true that haha
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that I think about it, Rufflesburger is actually more of a Pedo than Snachez. He was in a college bar butt raping a 19 year old girl in the bathroom stall.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I guess she should be thankful it wasn’t Ray Lewis in the stall. She’d be dead.
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XZDzOGFXts
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, amazing.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Hope you got this lax game on. Almost about to pull it off.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I do. All tied up
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by John Stephens on May 22, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
criminal, but not really pedo.
Now, if she was 17…
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by insertscreenname on May 22, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
nope the 19 year old isn't a minor
so he isn’t a pedo just a rapist
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by manraj7 on May 22, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can live with that.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I should rename this
to steelers v. ravens/sanchez debates
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by DBroncs1414 on May 22, 2011 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Joe Flacco will be in the HOF. Debate over with, I win.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Oh, is this sort of like how at BTSC we joke that Isaac Redman is a God?
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by John Stephens on May 23, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Patriots D is "atrocious"?
The Pats defense is far from atrocious. They aren’t the best, but they certainly aren’t near the bottom of the league in defense. Plus, they get back Leigh Bodden and Ty Warren from injuries this season. They will be even better then last year.
YURP
Atrocious may be a tad strong
but they spent most of the year in the bottom of most categories, and towards the end of the year they didn’t make great improvements
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Oh yeah,
because 300 passing yards is what wins games.
Belichick operates on a different philosophy to the Packers and Steelers. They’re trying to force negative yards on every play, a far more attacking D if you will, whereas Belichick’s trying to make you run 4 plays to get a first down, and if you want to get into the endzone, you have to run 10, 12, 15 plays. 30 QBs in the league can’t do that, and one of the guys that can plays in NE.
Plus when the Pats are already up by 21 halfway through the 2nd quarter, he’s not going to send 8 guys on 3rd down. That explains the poor 3rd down conversion rate, although that should improve with Bodden back for Arrington, Dowling added to the back end, and some health on the D line. A few more pressures need to turn into sacks, especially from Cunningham, who was around the QB but couldn’t quite get there.
Expect them to be back up in the top 10 in most categories this year, except the most useless stat, yards allowed.
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by insertscreenname on May 29, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Colt McCoy aint even the most overrated QB in his division
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