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Grading the NFL Draft Part 1 of 4 (AFC North and East edition)

With the 2011 NFL draft complete I can now go about giving initial grades to each and every pick of the draft. These grades will be revisited around this time next year. The AFC West and South will be out tomorrow hopefully or Monday. The two NFC posts will be out this week as well. First I want to set some basic grading rules:

Individual Player Grades

A+: A player that is an incredible value at a position of need that has pro bowl potential

A: A player that is a great value at a position of need OR a player that is an incredible value at a position that is not a huge need

B: A player that is a good value at a position of need OR a great value that is not a position of need

C: A player that is good value at a minor need OR a player that is great value at no need OR a player with immense potential at a position of future need

D: A player that is decent value at a position of no need OR a player that has bad value at a position of need OR a solid player that was over-drafted

F: A player that has no value at a position of no need OR a player that is a huge reach at a position of need OR a player that has no means being in the draft

Al Davis: A player with great speed that is over-drafted by 1 to 2 rounds (usually would grade out to a C)

Note: In the 6th round the lowest grade you can get is a D. In the 7th round regular picks, the lowest grade you can get is a D+. In the 7th round compensatory picks the lowest grade you can get is a C-

Team Grades:

A: A team filled all/most of their needs without reaching at any pick and got one or more steals

B: A team filled most/all of their needs but reached on some of their picks and failed to get a major steal

C: A team did not fill most of their needs or reached to fill those needs with less than two major steals

D: A team filled none or very few of their needs and reached to do those and failed to draft good players at non needs

F: A team filled no needs, reached for players, picked bad scheme fits, and traded away future picks.

Without further ado, here it is.

 

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AFC North: 

Cleveland Browns

Round 1 Pick 21: Phil Taylor, NT/DT, Baylor:

Grade B-  Immediately after the Browns made this pick, I began to wonder if they actually are switching to a 4-3. If they are, this pick is a C. If they are going to instead stay in a 3-4, this pick is an A-. I settle in between and give it a B-. Would have been a B but they decided to trade up from 27 to 21 when I think he would have still been there.

Round 2 Pick 5: Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB, PIttsburgh:

Grade: B-  Again, as soon as this pick was made, I questioned if they were switching to a 4-3 or not. After these 1st two picks, I think they will stay in a 3-4. Sheard would make a great 3-4 OLB so this would be a solid pick. However, if they are switching to a 4-3, this is a terrible pick.

Round 2 Pick 27: Greg Little, WR, UNC:

Grade: B- Little apparently has incredible potential but I don't see it. He is a locker room nightmare that just has great measurables. He has never produced up to the standard he should at UNC. However, if he pans out he could be a solid #2 option. The Browns still lack a #1 WR on their team.

Round 4 Pick 5: Jordan Cameron, TE, USC:

Grade: C  This is a pick I really don't like. TE was not a big need at all and Cameron is a 2 to 3 year development. Not a good use of this pick.

Round 4 Pick 28: Owen Marecic, FB/LB/ST, Stanford:

Grade: B  This is a solid pick. The Browns wanted to land a FB in this draft and they got the best one in the draft. It is a slight reach but he is such a rare player that he is worth it.

Round 5 Pick 5: Buster Skrine, CB, Tennessee Chattanooga:

Grade: B+   A very good late round addition for the Browns. Skrine has unreal speed but still needs to develop his coverage skills and tackling ability.

Round 5 Pick 19: Jason Pinkston, OT, Pittsburgh:

Grade: A-  This is a very good 5th round pickup. I had Pinkston as a Day 2 pick so the Browns are getting great value. Add in the fact that RT is a big need and you get an A grade.

Round 7 Pick 47: Eric Hagg, SS, Nebraska:

Grade: B  Another good late round pickup. Hagg is a ball-hawking safety that makes huge hits. He needs to refine his coverage skills but that can be taught.

Team Grade: B- This is a tough draft to grade. If the Browns are switching to a 4-3, then this is a C draft. If they are staying in a 3-4, then this is an A- draft. Add in late round picks of Skrine, Pinkston, and Hagg and you have a very solid draft. However, with the uncertainty up top and the character concerns of Taylor, Sheard, and Little and it can only get a B- grade.

Cincinnati Bengals

Round 1 Pick 4: A.J. Green, WR, Georgia:

Grade: A+  If Carson Palmer wants to come back, he certainly has a good reason. Green is as impressive of a prospect as there is in this draft. He has great measurables, great work ethic, great attitude, and great intangibles. Awesome pick.

Round 2 Pick 3: Andy Dalton, QB, TCU:

Grade: A  Is this really possible? Are the Bengals putting together a future. Dalton to Green could become a great combination in the future. Whether Dalton spends a year behind Palmer or he starts right away this is still a very good pick.

Round 3 Pick 2: Dontay Moch, OLB/DE, Nevada:

Grade: C Oh, you just knew they would blow it eventually. Here is the 1st typical Bengals pick. An incredible athlete that has no business being in a 4-3. He is 240 pounds. How is he supposed to play 4-3 DE at that weight? He can't be a 4-3 OLB because he has no coverage skills. His only position is 3-4 OLB so this pick is just terrible.

Round 4 Pick 4: Clint Boling, OG, Georgia:

Grade: A  Boling is a good guard prospect that could be a long term starter in the NFL. I don't know how he fell to the 4th round. Most had him as a 2nd to 3rd round pick so it is a steal at the top of the 4th round.

Round 5 Pick 3: Robert Sands, SS, WVU:

Grade: B   Sands is really a SS in a LB's body. However, you can't deny his ball skills, speed, and athleticism. If he refines his coverage skills he could be a great pick.

Round 6 Pick 2: Ryan Whalen, WR, Stanford:

Grade: D+  This is the only bad pick of the draft. Whalen was thought of as an UDFA or 7th round pick and with much better WR options available this pick leaves me scratching my head.

Round 7 Pick 4: Korey Lindsay, CB, Southern Illinois:

Grade: B- Lindsay has decent size and speed but needs to improve both his zone and man defense. He is a great tackler. Sounds a lot like Bryant McFadden and if he turns out to be equal to BMAC, this grade will go way up.

Round 7 Pick 45: Jay Finley, RB, Baylor:

Grade: C+ This pick fills a need as Benson might be gone but not with the best available back. Cooper, Devine, and some other talented backs were still available.

Team Grade: B  The draft started very well with three A's out of their 1st 4 picks but then went down hill. The only good late round pick was Robert Sands and even that one has potential to be bad. However, they still got a great QB/WR pair for the future and a very good guard.

Baltimore Ravens:

Round 1 Pick 27: Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado:

Grade: B+ Apparently, he is as good of a corner as Patrick Peterson according to some people. However, he is actually nowhere near that level. He is a solid, but not great, corner prospect with a terrible attitude and a bad character. Still, his immense talent and potential keep this as a B+.

Round 2 Pick 26: Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland:

Grade: A  Smith is a very solid pick here. He gives them a true deep threat (that Flacco and Cam Cameron won't be able to utilize but that is besides the point) that can complement there older, slower, receivers.

Round 3 Pick 21: Jah Reid, OT, UCF:

Grade: C-  I started laughing when I saw this. The Ravens need a LT of the future yet they trade up to take a RT. When he would have still been there 5 picks later. I know, it is really funny. Him and Oher now give them two decent RT's and no LT's. Lamaar Woodely is licking his chops.

Round 4 Pick 26: Tandon Doss, WR, Indiana:

Grade: A  The Ravens got incredible value with both of their WR's. Doss is very similar to Smith in that they both have big play ability. That gives them two speed WR's that Flacco and Cameron won't use right. However, you can't deny the value here.

Round 5 Pick 33: Chykie Brown, CB, Texas:

Grade: C+  Have you heard of nickel college corners getting drafted? It is not a common occurrence however Brown is not a bad pick. However, he is a minor reach and does not fill a big need.

Round 5 Pick 34: Pernell McPhee, DE, Mississippi State:

Grade: B  McPhee is good value but I don't see him fitting into a 3-4. He lacks the size to play DE and lacks the athleticism to play OLB. The only reason this grade is so high is that it is a major steal.

Round 6 Pick 15: Tyrod Taylor, QB, Virginia Tech:

Grade: C   Trading up to get a backup QB is not a good decision. Especially a backup QB that is 3 to 4 years away from being ready to be a reliable backup.

Round 7 Pick 24: Anthony Allen, RB, Georgia Tech:

Grade: B-   Allen is a power, down-hill runner that could replace Willis McGahee. Good investment here.

Team Grade: B   They took a big chance in round 1 with Jimmy Smith. If he pans out he could be a good #1 corner. If he doesn't, he is a huge round 1 bust. To low of floor for my liking. However, their round 2 and 4 WR picks were awesome. Reaching for Reid in round 3 is not good. However, the Ravens filled most of their needs and this draft merits a B grade but most "experts" will be giving them an A.

Pittsburgh Steelers

Round 1 Pick 31: Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State:

Grade: A-   Heyward was the best player available and filled a big long and short term need. The Steelers needed a backup to Brett Keisel in-case he got hurt and also needed his long-term replacement. Heyward grew up a Steelers fan which is a plus. Also, he has played a 5-tech at Ohio State which is another plus. Add in his 4 years of production, great attitude, great work ethic, high ceiling and high floor and you get a very good pick. Colbert strikes gold here.

Round 2 Pick 63: Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida:

Grade B  Another very solid pick. While many of us wanted to get Curtis Brown or Brandon Burton here (see below) this was our best option. Colbert clearly knew that the CB's would fall to us in round 3 but it was obvious that a tackle prospect like Gilbert would not be there. He can play RG, RT, and LT. I think he will begin as either our RT or RG depending on who wins the RT battle between he and Colon. Is he our future at LT? I don't think so but it is definitely a possibility.

Round 3 Pick 31: Curtis Brown, CB, Texas:

Grade: A-  The player many of us wanted in round 2 and we get him in round 3 without moving up. Colbert is a genius. Brown has incredible potential, great athleticism, is a great character, and can also play special teams. I think drafting him means the end of Willie Gay and Anthony Madison in Pittsburgh. He will replace Gay as our nickel corner and will replace Madison as a special teams ace. In a couple years, he could become a great #2 corner.

Round 4 Pick 31: Cortez Allen, CB, Citadel:

Grade: B+   Allen is a solid pick again. He has the potential to be a great #2 corner and will contribute right away either as a nickel or dime corner.

Round 5 Pick 31: Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State:

Grade: A-   Carter is a big-time pass rusher coming out of the WAC. He has 3-4 OLB size and could become our replacement for Lamaar Woodely if we don't resign him. If we do, the Carter is a nice 3rd down pass rusher for the Steelers.

Round 6 Pick 31: Keith Williams, OG, Nebraska:

Grade: A-  Williams was one of my highest rated guards in this draft. 6th to be exact. He gives the Steelers great value and fills a huge need. He could become a starting RG as soon as 2012. At worst he is a solid backup guard.

Round 7 Pick 31: Baron Batch, RB, Texas Tech:

Grade: A-  The Steelers find their replacement to MeMo. Batch is Memo 2.0 as he is a great pass catcher, blocker, and speed back. He will save them about 2 million dollars by replacing Memo.

Team Grade: A-   The Steelers quietly put together one of the best drafts in the league. They filled their 6 biggest needs without reaching anywhere and got players with high floors and high ceilings. Low risk draft that could end up being on the level of the 2010 draft.

AFC East

Buffalo Bills

Round 1 Pick 3: Marcell Dareus, DT/DE, Alabama:

Grade: A The Bills get the best player in the draft on the defensive line. He gives them a formidable pair of tackles with Williams there as well. Also, he can play multiple positions in the Bills Hybrid defense. He can play 4-3 DT, 3-4 DE, and 3-4 NT so he is a great pick.

Round 2 Pick 2: Aaron Williams, CB/FS, Texas:

Grade: B+ Williams is a solid pick but not sure why he was taken. I think Dalton should have been the pick but I think they trust Fitzpatrick. Still, Williams has the potential to be a great FS in this league.

Round 3 Pick 4: Kelvin Sheppard, ILB/OLB, LSU:

Grade: B   Another very solid pick. Sheppard, like Dareus, gives them positional flexibility. When they are in a 3-4, he can come off the edge as a pass rusher. When they are in a 4-3, he can play the MLB spot and cover the RB's. Good pick.

Round 4 Pick 3: Da'Norris Searcy, S, UNC:

Grade: C   Why did they draft two players in the 1st 4 rounds that project as safety's and not address rush OLB or OT. Searcy was also a reach here.

Round 4 Pick 26: Chris Hairston, OT, Clemson:

Grade: A-  This is a very good pick. Hairston can be a LT or RT in the NFL. He has huge potential and with good coaching he could become a good tackle.

Round 5 Pick 2: Johnny White, RB, UNC:

Grade: D+   Why take a 7th round RB when there are much better RB's available? Plus, they have Spiller and Jackson already. Bad pick.

Round 6 Pick 4: Chris White, ILB, Mississippi State:

Grade: B-  White has a lot of potential and is a solid pick. He is also very good value. However, he is not filling a big need as they already took Kelvin Sheppard.

Round 7 Pick 3: Justin Rodgers, CB, Richmond:

Grade: B-  Rodgers has a lot of potential but they took their 3rd pick for the secondary here. If they were going to take 3 players at one position, it should have been on the OL.

Round 7 Pick 44: Michael Jasper, DT, Bethel:

Grade: B-   Jasper is a huge player that can be a run stuffer. Right now he will only play in goal-line situations but in a couple years, he could be a starting DT/NT. Him, Williams, and Dareus give them  a very good DT rotation.

Team Grade: B-  The Bills failed to address the OL until the 4th round. That alone keeps this from being any sort of A. However, you can't deny that Dareus is a great player. Williams in round 2 is good. However, taking 2 LB's and 3 secondary players was not good as only one of each was truly needed.

Miami Dolphins

Round 1 Pick 15: Mike Pouncey, OG/OC, Florida:

Grade: B+ My friend is a Dolphins fan and summed it up best. "If Pouncey becomes a great Pro Bowl Guard or Center the Dolphins offense is still average. If he busts, the Dolphins offense is still average. However, if they take Mallet or Ingram and they become a great player, the Dolphins offense become above average to good. If Mallet or Ingram bust, the Dolphins offense is still average. So why not take the player who can make the bigger impact?" However, Pouncey is still a very solid pick.

Round 2 Pick 30: Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas State:

Grade: B+ One of my favorite players in the draft, Thomas gives them an explosive, powerful runner that can change the game. He can wear you down running up the gut but also bounce it outside and take it to the house. Very solid pick.

Round 4 Pick 14: Edmond Gates, WR, Abilene Christian:

Grade: A   Gates is as explosive of a WR as their was in this draft. He gives Chad Henne a great weapon.

Round 6 Pick 9: Charles Clay, FB, Tulsa:

Grade:B   Clay is a FB that can catch passes, run the ball, and block. He was the best pure FB in the draft and is great value here.

Round 7 Pick 28: Frank Kearse, DT/NT, Alabama A&M:

Grade: B  Kearse is a huge body that could bolster the Dolphins run defense. He is a project but could pay big dividends in a couple years.

Round 7 Pick 34: Jimmy Wilson, CB, Montana:

Grade: B- Wilson has a good story but is also a good football player. He could become a solid nickel corner so it is a solid pick here.

Team Grade: B   None of their picks were great but none were bad either. No reaches in this draft and one steal in Gates. They did not draft a QB so they must like Henne.

New England Patriots

Round 1 Pick 17: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado:

Grade: C   This was the beginning of a terrible 3 rounds for the Pats. Solder is a huge project and is likely 2 to 3 years away from even being solid at tackle. He has immense potential but to low of a floor especially with Ingram, Jordan, and Wilkerson still on the board.

Round 2 Pick 1: Ras I Dowling, CB, Virginia:

Grade: B  This was there only decent pick of the first 3 rounds and even this was decent. Dowling is a reach anywhere before 40. Also, he does not fill a big need. The Pats still need an OG, DE, OLB, and WR before they should think about a corner.

Round 2 Pick 24: Shane Vereen, RB, California:

Grade: C-  With Mikel Leshoure still on the board, the Pats decide to take Vereen, a 3rd round prospect. Pretty bad pick. However, Vereen has good potential and could end up making me look stupid.

Round 3 Pick 9: Stevan Ridley, RB, LSU:

Grade: F  One RB is fine but why two? And why take a 5th to 6th round prospect. I have no idea what the Pats are going to do with 4 average RB's. This was truly a terrible pick.

Round 3 Pick 10: Ryan Mallet, QB, Arkansas:

Grade: C-  And they follow it up with another horrible pick. Mallet is not going to be content to sit on the bench for 4 to 5 years, which he will have to do. Only thing saving this from being an F is that he has good trade value down the line. However, why did the Pats decide to ignore their needs at OG, DE, and OLB through the 1st 3 rounds? Who knows. Bellicheck is not a genius.

Round 5 Pick 7: Marcus Cannon, OG/OT, TCU:

Grade: A  Cannon was defnitely their best pick of the draft. He has 2nd round talent and fell because of treatable cancer. Very good pick.

Round 5 Pick 28: Lee Smith, TE, Marshall:

Grade: F   Smith was a reach in round 5 and fills no need. Just another terrible pick. I am starting to sound like a broken record addressing these Pats picks.

Round 7 Pick 16: Malcolm Williams, CB/S, TCU:

Grade: B   Why did they take a 2nd corner? I have no idea but they took the 728th ranked player on Scouts Inc so this is a reach and fills no need.

Team Grade: C   The Patriots failed epically to take advantage of their plethora of picks. Solder at 17 has too big of a bust potential. Dowling is a slight reach and does not fill a big need. Their 2 RB picks are questionable at best. Nothing wrong with Vereen in the 2nd but Ridley in the 3rd is a 2 round reach and why do they want 4 RB's on their roster. Cannon was their only good pick of the draft. Another TE? Another CB? Terrible draft. And don't even get me started on Ryan Mallet.

New York Jets

Round 1 Pick 30: Muhammed Wilkerson, DE, Temple:

Grade: A  Wilkerson was 22nd on my big board so he is great value here. He fills a big need at DE and gives the Jets a decent pass rusher who can also be run support. Good addition for Rex Ryan.

Round 3 Pick 30: Kendrick Ellis, NT, Hampton:

Grade: A-  I want to grade this pick much lower but I can't because it was good value. Ellis has a lot of potential, but he is a locker room cancer, not a hard worker, and played against bad competition. If Jets fans think he will start this year, they are really wrong. He is a project. Two years, and he could be great. But not yet.

Round 4 Pick 29: Bilal Powell, RB, Louisville:

Grade: C  Very shaky pick as I see him being cut. They already have 3 good RB's so I don't know where he fits.

Round 5 Pick 22: Jeremy Kerley, WR, TCU:

Grade: A-   Kerley was a very good pickup this late in the draft. In the event that Holmes, Edwards, or both are gone, Kerley gives them a good weapon. He is a slot receiver but could be a very high level slot receiver for Sanchez.

Round 7 Pick 5: Greg McElroy, QB, Alabama:

Grade: B   This is a good pick. Sanchez had no backup QB and McElroy has the tools to be a great backup or potential starter. If he develops really well, he becomes great trade bait as a starting QB. Very good investment here.

Round 7 Pick 24: Scotty McKnight, WR, Colorado:

Grade: D+  The Jets end with a bad pick. There were better WR prospects on the board and I don't think they should double dip on WR's. Do they think they are not getting Holmes or Edwards back? If so, they should have taken Terrance Tolliver.

Team Grade: B     - The Jets made good use of their first two picks addressing DL and adding a pass rush. They had two decent day 3 picks and two bad day 3 picks.

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I started laughing when I saw this. The Ravens need a LT of the future yet they trade up to take a RT.

We have a LT of the future, Michael Oher. Whether you think so or not, he is going to be our LT for a very long time. This is the same Michael Oher who held James Harrison to only 3 sacks in our 3 meetings last year, including ZERO in the first 2 games of the regular season.

When he would have still been there 5 picks later.

Yea, because you are sooooooo sure about this, right? You knew where this guy was ranked on each team’s board, right? I am sure you did.

Trading up to get a backup QB is not a good decision. Especially a backup QB that is 3 to 4 years away from being ready to be a reliable backup.

We actually did not trade up, we stayed where we were and took Taylor. So you can take out the first part of this comment. K.Thanks.Bye

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   3 recs

And nice homer grades on Steelers draft. Of course you would give each player an A. If you do that, than i give an A to all of the Ravens picks. I give you guys a B.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every pick the Steelers made qualified in the A- range of my rules

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well every pick the Ravens made qualified in the A- range of MY rules.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

good for you but I am grading the draft based off of MY rules

so why would I care what YOUR rules are and more importantly, how would I know what YOUR rules are?

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, man. It’s very suspicious when your team drafted all ‘A’ value.

I liked the Steeler’s draft, but it wasn’t as legendary as you’re making it out to be. Here are my (unbiased) grades.

1. Heyward, Grade B-
I like this pick. He seems like the Steeler type, but it’s not like he was a steal in the first.
2. Gilbert, Grade C+
Again, he seems like a Steeler and is a good player, but he certainly wasn’t a steal in the second.
3. Brown, Grade A
Brown is a good player and actually was a steal in the third. Fills a huge need. Great pick.
4. Allen, Grade C
Allen has potential. He wasn’t the BPA but was the best corner available. Average pick.
5. Carter, Grade A-
Carter is a top 100 player. Great value. Great pick. I believe the Ravens were targeting him as well.
6. Williams, Grade B-
Good player. Average value. Seems like a Steeler. Fills a need.
7. Batch, Grade C
Average value. Decent player. Fills a need. Average pick.

Team Grade: B-

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with this grade of the Steelers draft

highly doubt there’s as many A’s as being placed in there. I’d probably put Gilbert as a B, but that’s nit-picking.

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by Rorschach44 on May 3, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

what-ever you say. My grades arent changing.

Last year, I gave 4 of the Steelers picks C’s and D’s so it is not like I never critisize their picks.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you should change it… That would be cheap and go against your integrity as a writer.

I just think these grades are outlandish and deserve criticism. That’s what comments are for.

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do re-evaluate them after three days to make sure I did a good job and it is not because of critisism

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you do, check out what the MTD scouting report had to say about Reid. It may change your mind on him.

Final word: In my opinion, Reid is an underrated prospect that looks to have a ton of potential. While his best fit is likely at right tackle his quick feet and use of angles make him versatile. Reid would be a nice selection at the back end of the 2nd round with the ability to contribute right away. He is more than capable in both the run and passing game and is one of my sleeper picks. He could be the Rodger Saffold pick of the 2011 draft!

You can read the whole report here.

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Reid is as good as this makes him sound

I think he was a 4th round prospect. Just a difference of opinon. I had Reid in the 4th round of my mock draft so it is not like I am just making this up because he is a Raven.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either way, I don’t think anyone can say that he’s an obvious reach, and since the Chiefs were targeting him at pick 86, I don’t think anyone can criticize the Ravens for trading up either.

I can understand you not liking the player, but to say that a player like Reid is a blatant reach in the third and trading up for him was stupid is either an ignorant or biased opinion when there are clearly positive scouting reports on him saying he could have gone much earlier.

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did you hear the Chiefs were targeting Reid?

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was rumored on the Baltimore Sun after they drafted him.

The Chiefs also brought Reid in for private workouts. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they traded up right in front of the Chiefs to draft Reid.

DeCosta and Newsome know what they’re doing. They didn’t just trade up on a whim. They had Jimmy, Torrey and Reid targeted before the draft began. DeCosta talking about trading up…

“It fell the right way,” DeCosta said. “I think a couple days ago I said to Ozzie [Newsome, general manager], ‘Could you imagine if we were able to get Jimmy Smith, Torrey Smith and Jah Reid?’ He just looked at me and said, ‘Ah yeah, that’d be a great day.’”

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

so it was rumored by a Baltimore newspaper

I understand where they are coming from and that is why the pick got a C- and not a D or F. I think it might get upped to a C or C+ when I re-evaluate the Ravens draft.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good research. The fact that DeCosta stated before the draft that he wanted “The Smiths” and Jah Reid gives each pick an A in my book.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 3, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

clearly youre just a little bitter at some real critiquing of a draft.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real critiquing? You are letting your hate of the Ravens and strange philosophy that they are a joke of a franchise create these grades.

The Ravens were the only team in this “grading” that you said you laughed at when picking.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said below, I am fine with the B/B+, just not with some of your comments made about the picks which have basically been consistent with the asshole attitude you have been exerting lately about the Ravens.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I have been an A-Hole about the Ravens at all

Other than my jokes about Joe Flacco and how he always chokes in the playoffs (which is true) I have not said much, if anything, about the Raisins because frankly I don’t care what they do because they will never be as good of an organization as the Steelers.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if they were jokes, than I will back down a bit. None the less, what you have said lately (particularly about Joe) has pissed me off.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

they were jokes that had some truth to them (about losing to the Steelers all the time). Joe is a top 15, but not top 10, QB. I think that is his max potential as well.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh how I love intradivisional rivalries

good natured hatred is necessary to the success of this league.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you meant to say

The Cowboys suck. Iggles too.

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by ct17 on May 2, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cowboys suck so much.

So do the Giants.

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by manraj7 on May 3, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol...49ers....

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by Rorschach44 on May 3, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have more SBs

Kellen Moore is awesome
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Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.

by manraj7 on May 3, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

congrats

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by Rorschach44 on May 3, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its the only argument I got because if we look at recent data I never win.

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by manraj7 on May 3, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least tell me you wouldn’t take Romo over Joe. If you can agree with that, I won’t be THAT upset about saying he is a top 15 QB.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not take Romo over Grossman

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, I can rest easy then.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

respect.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell, I wouldn't take Romo over Jafatass Russel

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by Steel Spike on May 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you say every Steelers' pick was an A-

They took Cortez Allen when Brandon Burton was still on the board and Heyward has an extremly high bust potential.

Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber

by JetKing55 on May 2, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, according to the Steeler fan, since the pick was made by his beloved and perfect Steelers, it is not a reach.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

piss off raisins fan

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their unis look nothing like raisins.

Muhammad Wilkerson + Kenrick Ellis=
-Greatest two picks of all time
-Sleepless nights for Tommy Bieber

by JetKing55 on May 2, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steelers fans always think there picks are an “A”. As far as my Browns picks I would actually give the first 4 picks a B+, and they are going to a 4-3, along with hybrid 3-4 sets. Very solid draft over all in the hardest division in football, & I look forward to the back half of the season. Having so many division games late in the year is actually a great move.

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by J. W. on May 4, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

2 1/2 really good drafts for the Browns. Don’t know your rating scale, but between the the last two drafts the Browns have gotten really great talent added. Granted the W/L colunm didn’t change – the scores did, with a much improved competative team. So whats your take on McCoy?

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Hayden, Cleveland Browns.

by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

McCoy is the man. Don’t really like the Browns, but I am a huge Colt fan. I must admit that you guys are building a pretty solid team.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 4, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats because we’re getting tired of sucking. Changing to a 4-3 and adding the second tower of beef in the middle of the D line, is just copying our North bretheren. I truely believe we have the OL right side fixed and Colt is going to be A 6-8 year starter.

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by J. W. on May 13, 2011 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Steelers said they like Allen more than Burton and also that it is not based on who was still on the board

Heyward has really low bust potential due to his great work ethic, size, and attitude. He does not need to be a pass rusher in the Steelers system (their DE’s are just meant to eat up double teams). Also, he already played the 5-tech at Ohio State and he will be playing the 5-tech in Pittsburgh. Really low bust potential IMO and in most others opinions.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allen is a good potential talent

I liked both CBs they drafted, and in those spots.

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by ct17 on May 2, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heyward has the 2nd most

wider floor than all the rest of the DE/DT 5tech/3tech/1tech class except for Darius.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

opps

Heyward has a wider floor than the rest of the DE/DT that were taken before him.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

higher floor**

grhh

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

guys guys please...

can’t we all just agree that both your drafts sucked?

by The Dealio on May 3, 2011 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but we can probably agree that your entire organization sucks ; )

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by Mr MaLoR on May 3, 2011 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

B: A team filled most/all of their needs but reached on some of their picks and failed to get a major steal

I think the Ravens draft falls into this category. I am thinking about upping the Ravens draft to a B+ but no higher than that. Nothing is bad about a B/B+ and I think the Ravens did a pretty solid job however they could have done better.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everywhere else you read that Jimmy Smith was a major steal. He fell because of some poor decisions made 3 years ago and watching him play, there is no denying he would have been a top 15 pick if not for smoking pot and drinking alcohol at 18 years old in the biggest party school in the nation.

I am fine with the B/B+.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this kid is going to be awesome. Listen to him talk. He’s not a thug and has been a clean player for the last two years. All of his concerns, albeit legitimate concerns, happened when he was 18-19 years old and fresh in college.

Let’s see what you think after seeing him play with us. I’ll check back in with you next season. Let’s leave it at that.

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's got Adam Jones (pre-bengal of course)

written all over him. Have fun with him selling cocaine out of his car trunk in three years. PEACE

by The Dealio on May 3, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have fun with your fire crotch QB throwing 25 interceptions next season.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 3, 2011 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Red hair on top, means the same thing below…

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by Mr MaLoR on May 4, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unless he dyes it...

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by manraj7 on May 4, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No-one dyes their hair that colour.

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by insertscreenname on May 8, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Dalton is special?

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by manraj7 on May 9, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, the Bears should be penalized by the league for screwing up. They asked for the trade, Ravens agreed, and then thet back out? They should be made to lose the next highest pick in next years draft for that.

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Hayden, Cleveland Browns.

by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok Pats

We needed an O-Linemen badly. Solder has Scarn, one of if not the best O-Line coach in the league. Guess what they said about Vollmer coming into the draft… 3 year project. He ends up having to start at LT against the Colts his rookie year and handles Freeney. Starts his entire second year, gives up 2 sacks, and is a great run blocker.

Dowling is a big corner, and was a first rounder last year, but fell a bit due to injury concerns. Reported from Schefter/Mort that Bills would have taken him at 34 if Pats hadn’t. Obviously, FO’s were a lot higher on him than you were.

Vereen: Bit of a weird pick. But if anyone has listened, we run a committee system. WE WOULD NEVER TAKE INGRAM. Vereen is a good fit in a committee system where he doesn’t have to be the workhorse.

Ridley: We needed a bigger guy. Not a great pick, not horrible.

Mallett: At worst, we waste a singular third round pick. At best, we get a guy who could be Brady’s heir or trade him off for a first rounder or more (remember Kolb has already had 1st rounders offered to him, with about 5 games experience. Charlie Whitehurst got a second and a third.) Great pick with a lot of future value.

Cannon: Finally an agreeement

Lee Smith: We actually do need Lee Smith. Crumpler is gone in a year or two. Herndo is not really a TE. Our offense is a 2 TE offense. Meaning once Crumpler left, we would lose the in-line blocker portion of the 2 TE offense.

Markell Carter: You missed this pick. OLB, potential to be something. Once you get this far down, you can’t be nitpicky about who gets picked where. After the top 100 or so, it’s a crapshoot. Doesn’t matter where they are ranked.

Malcolm Williams: Could actually do something as a 7TH ROUND PICK because he’s a good special teamer. Not many teams will get help from their 7ths, why not get a guy who could actually help the team?

Also missing: The future 1st and 2nd round picks we received.

Ruling: Well, people were giving us C’s and D’s last year. And look how that turned out :)

WE ARE PENN STATE

by Cameron O on May 2, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Also the fact that we have so many 1-2 year players on D

With Deadrick, Cunningham, Spikes et al. some of our pass rushing “woes” are going to be solved simply with experience. Then there is the fact that by the end of the year, the Pats had 12 D-Linemen on the roster or IR. Ty Warren comes back, and that immediately shores up the LE position. Vince at RE, with Brace or Pryor at NT, and that’s a very solid Line. We are lacking 1 OLB, in which next year’s class is a lot stronger of BB type 2 gap OLB.

The main complaint I have is not drafting a WR, and the Vereen pick. Other than that, this draft was a solid draft, with a bit of risk and a lot of potential. We had a 14-2 team last year, so making sure it stays that way in the future (aging O-Line, league moving towards 3-4WR sets, requiring deeper CB talent) is a good thing. The Pats should get a B.

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by Cameron O on May 2, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gave you an A- last year. I really think they wasted this draft. So many good players available and they blew it (IMO)

I think this draft has the potential to turn into a solid one but right now I am not seeing it

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

D: A team filled none or very few of their needs and reached to do those and failed to draft good players at non needs

I would say the biggest need was OT so I guess you filled that one. However, OLB and DE were the next biggest needs and you did not fill those. Vereen was a reach, IMO, as was Ridley so they reached to fill RB. TE was a small need, if at all, and they reached to fill that. WR they never addressed. I think it falls into this range

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn't do a BPA draft or a need draft

they had BPA picks of Mallett and Cannon. Need picks of OT and RB. As I explained, we don’t have a true need at DE. OLB the players in this draft do not fit the Pats defenses whatsoever, they are almost all 1 gap guys. You still exclude the fact they got a future 1st and 2nd. OT and OG were our two biggest holes. Then OLB. Then WR/RB (whichever Pats fan you talk to has their opinion.) Then DE. So we filled our two biggest needs. Filled a lesser need. Got a future 1st and 2nd. Got a QB with great potential future trade value. How is that bad? Stop focusing on who they didn’t pick, instead of what they did.

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by Cameron O on May 2, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote Florida

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, thanks for that. Must have been a typo.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, thanks for that. Must have been a typo.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen Cam

also to add lee smith has additional value as a long snapper.

by canadianpat on May 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think Dareus and AJ Green fit the criteria of A+ grades

at least in my book, they were steals. AJ Green and Dareus were 1 and 1a. Both went at 3 and 4 and fill major needs and are probowl caliber.

Other than that, I can’t argue much because I don’t know the AFC North division well enough.

Thanks for putting in the effort.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Well of course you are

I haven’t seen anything but A’s yet for the Giants.

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by Cameron O on May 2, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

feels good, especially with us getting ripped for taking JPP last year

nice to feel loved once in awhile, even though these things aren’t a measure of accuracy down the road.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Giants A-
Eagles B+
Cowboys C
Redskins C- maybe D+

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much online with what I was thinking. I am thinking more of a B/B- for the Eagles though

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Redskins and Chargers had two of the worst drafts I have seen in a while.

Dan Snyder seems content with John Beck as his starting QB this year.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the Seahawks draft sucked as well. I think the Redskins did this to guarentee Andrew Luck next year

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the Seahawks draft

Although I am a Niners fan.

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by manraj7 on May 2, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well lets see, Ryan Mallet was there for so god damn long and they kept trading back and trading back and trading back then let the Patriots grab him.

EVERY team that desperately needed a QB got one in this draft…..except for Washington. McNabb is basically gone, Bulger is going to sign with Arizona, Carson doesn’t fit their offense, and who else is there?

They had some big time chances to grab a QB that will at least give them some hope and didn’t. Why draft a WR like Hankerson who has some great skills with not QB to throw to them?

In my opinion, the Foreskins will be picking #1 next year.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a sneaking suspicion

that they are going to sign Vince Young…he’s got the mobility that shanny loves

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea, that makes perfect sense for that shit franchise.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I can see carson going to Seattle, and Hasslebeck going to Arizona. I will agree that the Redskins will probably picking first in the next draft.

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by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Arizona has already said they have had an agreement with Bulger for a while now.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 4, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

The same team that thought Anderson was the answer?

What a reason for everyone else to pass.

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by ct17 on May 5, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

don’t like philly’s draft as much. 1st few picks were great, but they took 3 G’s and a K in the 4th. Idk about that.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And isn’t Danny Watkins like 28 years old?

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

26

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah somethin' like that.

Funny thing is, on the eagles site, they have a fanpost devoted solely to trashing our picks. Good for them.

I really, really hate the eagles.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they trashed my boy Darell Scott, I will not be happy.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

next year, Kenny Tate will be your boy. That kid can ball

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing is that not alot of people know is that he is going to play OLB for us this year. Hopefully it doesn’t drop his draft stock and teams will still see him as a FS.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing is that Kenny will still be doing the same stuff as last year

Kenny played all over the field last year. Having Perez allowed Kenny to move up and blitz like he did.

by terpfan812 on May 2, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah, definitely was going to mention that to you Malor

I’m pumped that we took him….from the videos I’ve seen he is a speed DEMON

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scott is a game breaker. Won’t be an every down RB in the NFL, but he doesn’t have to. Reminds me somewhat of my own Ray Rice because they have a similar build and excel at catching the football.

If you guys give him the opportunity which I think you will, he is going to be a good player for you.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll definitely contribute in ST

provide insurance incase bradshaw leaves, and be our new “wind” in our Earth (Jacobs) Wind and Fire (Ahmad) trio….the pass catching, change of pace gamebreaker

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah mostly prince and marvin

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their first round pick looks like Farve from Super Troopers, who the hell are they to make fun of the Giants’ picks?

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

because they're eagle fans.

that’s what rivalries are for. I don’t mind it because I know come football season, Prince is going to knock the shit out of Desean Jackass

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may by a jackass, but that guy can ball out.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respect him because he's earned the right to be a douche

still want to give him the beatdown of his life tho. Prince is as physical as they come.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you read the dumbass article about how Nigerian players (like Prince) are soft and don’t make good NFL players?

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep. It was retarded and racist

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, almost as racist as when I said Tomlin is a hoodlum.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

and it’s not racist to say Hillis won the cover of Madden 12 because he’s a “white” running back?

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by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

all I got to say about it is “fuck the racist GMs and scouts…but thanx.”

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Farva*

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 2, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

just like I used to hate the raisins

Now I know that they are just not a threat so I don’t care about them. But a couple years ago I really hated them

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of the BTSC members made it up

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ive heard that stupid nickname since 2001.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, actually

Suzy Kolber accidentally caled them the Raisins when she was talking to Jim Har-plop during the draft.

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by Steel Spike on May 2, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I know that they are just not a threat so I don’t care about them.

Licking my chops….

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were both borderline A+ picks

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seton Hall, did you put together the MTD Big Board we used for the live drafts?

Real G's move in silence like lasagna

by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Used for the last live draft I mean.

Real G's move in silence like lasagna

by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

no I didn't put that together

I don’t know who did that but it was provided to me by CByers to help run that draft

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, nevermind.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you were going to do though

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I was looking at that board which was posted in the last live mock to see where players were ranked drafted by the Steelers and saw alot of players taken by Pitt when other players rated above them were still on the board.

I wouldn’t mind seeing your big board if you have one. I would think you would considering how much time and effort you put into previewing this draft.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if not, which ever board you used to determine if certain picks were reaches or not.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

My board ratings

I had Cameron Heyward as the 3rd highest rated player left when we picked behind Justin Houston and Daquan Bowers (both would obviously not be targeted by the Steelers). I had Gilbert as the 8th rated prospect left (top OT). I had Curtis Brown as the #1 rated prospect left (he was #4 in round 2). I had Cortez Allen as the #12 prospect left. I had Chris Carter as the #5 prospect left. I had Keith Williams as the #10 prospect left and I had Baron Batch as the #18 pick left

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by seton hall and steelers on May 2, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bengals

Thanks for putting together these grades and nice work!

I’ll defend the Moch pick from this perspective: He was drafted purely to be a situational pass rusher, which is how he is going to fit into Zimmer’s 4-3 scheme. You could argue that the 3rd round is too early to be drafting situational players, but the team desperately needs to improve it’s rush from the linebacker position. The LBs we have now (Maualuga, Rivers, Jones) are great on first and second down, but frankly are liabilities on passing downs. Moch fixes that problem.

And flat out, Moch is the rare kind of athlete that you really can’t find in later rounds, so I give the Bengals credit for finding that kind of value in the third.

I give the pick a B, maybe a B+.

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on May 2, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I think people underestimate Zimmer's creativity.

Someone with the freakish athleticism and decent size that Moch has can be used all over the field. Zimmer will use him situationally and turn him into the beast he’s capable of being.

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by sexsalad on May 2, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he can turn him into a starter too.

give it two or three years and he might be an every down backer.

Fight Bengals Fatalism!

by Paul Cannon on May 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except not as awesome

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.

by manraj7 on May 3, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

how has taylor mays been doing, anyway

haven’t heard much about him…doing alright for the 49ers?

Bow to the Fresh Prince of the Meadowlands.

by BigBlueIntervention on May 3, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well he shown some flashes then he was pulled off. Stupid Sing

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
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by manraj7 on May 3, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hated the Moch pick at first

But it makes sense if you just use him as a rusher. You could use Dunlap like the Giants use Tuck. LDE on normal downs. DT on pass rush downs, Moch replaces him as a DE.

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by ct17 on May 3, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen the Patriots from D to A+.

People either love or hate the Mallett pick. They either include or ignore the draft picks. The Patriots did draft in a certain order:

Solder – Would have gone to the Giants at 19 if the Patriots didn’t pick him. Aldon Smith was the only OLB prospect they wanted in the first round and they would have had to beat the Falcons’ trade up to 6th to get him. Not worth it.

28th – traded away for a future 1st and a current 2nd round pick. They didn’t have a first round grade on Wilkerson or Heyward.

Dowling – Would have gone to the Bills at 34 and couldn’t trade down. Dowling has played in a Belichick style defense at Virginia because it was shaped by Al Groh, the former Belichick coordinator.

Vereen – Lions wanted an RB and they picked right after the Patriots. Vereen fits better in the Patriots’ offense than LeShoure as he’s much more versatile, especially in the receiving game.

Ridley – Questionable pick value, I agree, but he’ll fill the Sammy Morris role on our team as the fullback/special teams player. Don’t underestimate the value of a player who helps on multiple fronts.

Mallett – Phenomenal value and the Seahawks were picking next.

Cannon – Again, phenomenal value.

Smith – Replacement for Alge Crumpler. Has a roster spot down the road and, as a 5th round pick, that’s pretty solid. The Patriots rely heavily on their blocking tight ends to open up running lanes as well as add layers to the passing game.

Carter – The Packers wanted Carter so the Patriots couldn’t trade down further.

Williams – A special teamer. Wowed scouts at his Pro Day with his athleticism. Again, if they’ll have an impact on special teams, that’s solid impact.

When it comes to taking players that other franchises wanted to take, the Patriots did a good job. They played the draft board as teams greatly overdrafted quarterbacks, defensive ends, and outside linebacker converts and other players dropped.

I’ll take the D+, though. Better than some.

by Richard Hill on May 2, 2011 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I don’t really get some of the picks though. Why two early RB when you have Law Firm and Woodhead? One would have been alright, but two? Mallet pick could turn out good, but I think they took him so they can trade him down the road for yet another first round pick to some dumbass team like Washington or Oakland. God those teams are so freaking stupid for continuing to give you guys high picks.

For how loaded this draft was on the DL and OLB, not sure how you guys didn’t take advantage of that with having 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. I did hear Bruschi talking about how you guys like to bring in veteran pass rushers rather than draft them, but man this draft had some good ones. Would have thought you got at least one of them.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cause

Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk are all old and two of them might be retiring. Pats always carry 5 backs.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 2, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I saw this mock draft for the Patriots and thought that if you guys got those players, man would you be dangerous. I think this draft could have done you guys alot more good than the one you have, but that is just my opinion. Even though players went in different areas, maybe could have done trades to get them.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lions were not taking Vereen

They needed a larger RB to complement Best. Take out one of those RBs, you could have had another starter. The rest of the picks are good.

I don’t think Bill cares at all who other teams are going to pick. Drafting a guy because you think another team will pick him after you would be a horrible way to run a draft.

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by ct17 on May 3, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Patriots want the guy...

…that limits them from trading down. I’m saying that everyone was saying, “Solder’s a bottom 1st prospect!” But if the Patriots like him as a first round prospect, and there are a bunch of teams waiting to pounce, they aren’t able to trade down and grab Solder later. They don’t draft defensively to prevent teams from getting players, but they seek value and they’ll trade down only as far as they can still get their man.

by Richard Hill on May 6, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

>Reads drafts

>Gets to Steelers draft
>every pick is an A or A-

Yeh, no need to read further.

by Doc Scratch on May 2, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly.

"As far as nobody agreeing with me, how many people stood up to prevent the crucifixion of Jesus?" - The Shadow

by Mr MaLoR on May 2, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Rorschach44 on May 3, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually, every pick got an A- because they all met this requirement
A: A player that is a great value at a position of need OR a player that is an incredible value at a position that is not a huge need

but I think that I am going to change Gilbert and Allen to B and B+ respectively because they meet the B range better which is,

B: A player that is a good value at a position of need OR a great value that is not a position of need

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

We get it. You had a system. You could have just as easily graded the picks between 1 and 10… or whatever system you wanted.

The problem arises when you give your team the best grades and the teams you hate questionably bad grades. The system doesn’t matter and doesn’t automatically make your grades logical. It’s the overall grade, regardless of system, that matters, and your overall grades are extremely biased.

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem arises when you give your team the best grades and the teams you hate questionably bad grades.

Exactly. He gives the Steelers all A’s, then in the Ravens section says he laughed hysterically over one of our picks, basically telling me he thinks it is a pathetic pick for a team he thinks is a pathetic franchise, and let the grade be created through that.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 3, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

in the next 3 posts you will see me say I laughed a lot more. Especially the NFC West post, the Titans post, the VIkings post, and a couple other picks. Just so happened that was the only pick I laughed about in this post

Trust me though. There will be more picks in the next posts I laughed about and your teams grade was not affected by my passionate hate for them. Most “experts” graded you guys from a B to a A so I am right in the range

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, every pick got an A- because they all met this requirement

A Steelers fan has to do something to make this draft feel good. We"ll just let feel good about it okay…

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Hayden, Cleveland Browns.

by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea because we are so desperate to be good like the Browns because we go 6-10 or worse every year

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by seton hall and steelers on May 4, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay rubba neck, when you actually have a functioning front office, you usually have a good team. Will I diss the Steelers no – they have a very good front office, though a very pedestrian draft except for your first pick. Then you have Ozzie, which still pisses me off.
So the Browns now have a very strong F.O. and its taking some time to reverse the f@#kery of the past. Does every one of your picks rate an A? Nope, though the Heyward pick should be an A+.

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Hayden, Cleveland Browns.

by J. W. on May 13, 2011 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way, all the Steelers picks followed his system.

"As far as nobody agreeing with me, how many people stood up to prevent the crucifixion of Jesus?" - The Shadow

by Mr MaLoR on May 3, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

REC

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Hayden, Cleveland Browns.

by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

jets grade

i agree with the B grade ,its what i graded their draft
i think you underestimate the mcknight pick tho . i’d give that pick a B for the simple fact that you rarely get a 7th round pick to be very productive but drafting a guy your qb has thrown thousands of passes to increases the chance of sucess .
none of our draft wr’s are replacements for holmes or edwards , and if we lose one there are some decent replacements we could get thru FA . i see kearly as a replacement for brad smith and mcknight as depth .
 i also think you are a little harsh on your comment about ellis being a locker room cancer . his coach at hampton says the complete opposite . i see him as a risky pick ( like about 200 other picks ) but not a cancer .
i think the bills grade is way off . they should get a A ( kills me to say it ).
i think you would agree that they are o.k at qb after the steelers lucky win when their dropped pass in the endzone . but i think they had a great draft and have probably drafted the most starters out of all 32 teams .

if its for you it won't pass you

by tinley24 on May 3, 2011 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

when I re-evaluated, I regraded 4 picks and a team

Marcus Gilbert lowered from a A- to a B
Cortez Allen lowered from an A- to a B+
Malcolm Williams raised from a D to a B
A.J. Green raised from an A to an A+
Pats grade raised from a D+ to a C

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

You originally gave the Patriots a D+ for their draft? Sorry, I stopped reading after I saw your Steelers’ picks, but that’s wild.

I think the Patriots had one of the best drafts. I don’t see how you can call these grades unbiased. I know Steelers’ fans hate the Patriots.

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How did the Pats have a good draft? They took a huge risk in round 1

Took a reach in round 2. Reached in round 3 for another RB and took a QB. And other than Cannon, had no other picks that were good value. They were all reaches.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like the Solder pick. He was my second ranked OT. I also like the Dowling pick. If he stays healthy, he has first round talent. The Patriots can afford to take a shot on him. I think Vereen and Cannon were great value picks. I suppose those are my opinions.

I’m not crazy about all of their picks, but they certainly deserve better than a D+. I would give them between a C and B at least… especially when you consider that they picked up an extra second and first round pick (next year).

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I raised it to a C after re-evaluation

Also, when I look at a draft I am not taking into account future picks they acquired

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always like the players the Patriots draft. I was hoping for Solder in Baltimore this year. Last year, I wanted McCourty.

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

well here is what mike mayock and co had to say about pats draft

analysts Charley Casserly, Mike Mayock and Charles Davis of NFL Network share their opinion on some of the draft’s winners and losers.

Casserly leads it off and chooses the Patriots as his No. 1 winner. Here is what Casserly liked:

1. Picking up first- and second-round draft choices in 2012.

2. A future left tackle in Nate Solder.

3. A press corner in Ras-I Dowling.

4. The explosiveness of Shane Vereen at running back, coupled with Stevan Ridley’s power-based, inside-the-tackle style.

5. “Bonus picks” of quarterback Ryan Mallett (worthy of developing), offensive lineman Marcus Cannon (worth the medical risk at that point) and tight end Lee Smith (good value).

“It’s like they had three drafts in one,” Casserly said.

Mayock followed up by focusing on the improvements to the running game.

“I look at this draft as ’Watch out, NFL, this team is going to be able to run the football also,” he said. "I like what they did with the offensive line. Nate Solder, who I think is a little bit underpowered and I also think he has some technique issues, that will get cleaned up with Dante Scarnecchia. When you can plug him in on the left side and leave [Sebastian] Vollmer on the right side, from the management’s perspective you have some leverage when you’re dealing with unrestricted free agent Matt Light and maybe even a little bit of leverage with Logan Mankins with what you ultimately decide to do there.

“When you plug Marcus Cannon in, a [fifth-round] pick who was a first- or second-round talent, and all of a sudden this offensive line looks completely different down the road. With the addition of Lee Smith, people are going ‘Why did he take another tight end after taking two last year?’ The answer is pretty simple: [Aaron] Hernandez is really a move guy that teams treat like a wide receiver. They felt like they needed another in-line ‘Y’.

“So at the end of the day, you have Tom Brady, you’ve got the vertical pass attack, you’ve got Wes Welker, but now with those two running backs, the revamped offensive line, they can pound the football whenever they want.”

by brady12mvp3 on May 3, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

here is nolan nawrocki

Pro Football Weekly’s Nolan Nawrocki, who from this perspective has carved out his niche as one of the top draft analysts, lauds the Patriots’ 2011 draft in a piece posted tonight.

Nawrocki explains his grading process.

It is never fair to evaluate drafts before players are given a chance to prove themselves in the NFL, as too many uncontrolled variables can affect the development of talent, and even the most talented players can fail if the structure is not in place for them to succeed. Furthermore, toughness, intelligence and competitiveness can take players a lot further than any amount of natural talent and cannot immediately be measured, as the sixth-round selection of Tom Brady would attest.

Nonetheless, there is an art to understanding the value of talent, how to manipulate a draft board and build through the draft. And those who understand the value of talent generally produce the strongest drafts.

With this in mind, Nawrocki gives the Patriots an “A” in his post-draft analysis.

“The king of manipulating the draft, Bill Belichick, once again worked his magic with the help of personnel boss Nick Caserio, stockpiling a boatload of future draft picks while recognizing value throughout,” Nawrocki writes. “… Belichick can be justified taking some calculated risks, as he did, and landed some niche talent to supplement his roster.” hard to judge a draft before u have seen anyone play in the nfl.

by brady12mvp3 on May 3, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sorry I know people uptop have been saying this

but your AFC North grades are slightly biased. Your explanation on the Heyward grade is laughable.

Add in his 4 years of production, great attitude, great work ethic, high ceiling and high floor and you get a very good pick. Colbert strikes gold here.

This could not be further from the truth. This guy is as hot and cold as they come, does not give his best every game, and he can bust hard if he doesn’t get his crap together. Any scout will tell you he’s a top 20 talent, but his ability to disappear in games is a little scary.

And I think your a tad bit harsh on the Ravens. Jimmy Smith is an excellent CB. He was only thrown to 20 times in man coverage last year, all the more impressive when you take into account he played in the most pass happy conference in college football. He’s big, athletic, and has a good nose for the ball. I’d agree with you that he’s no PP, but if he didn’t fail a drug test and get caught drinking under age at Colorado, he would’ve gone higher then Prince.

And its hard to knock the Chykie Brown pick, he was a third string CB because he had 2 pretty good CB’s play over him, one of which your team drafted. Peyton Hillis was a 3rd string back at Arkansas (behind Felix Jones and Darren McFadden) but he’s turned out to be pretty good.

I’m kind of with you on the Browns. I wasn’t a huge fan of their draft either. But the Bengals did well. Moch might have been a reach but pass rush is a need and until he develops as an every down player he should be able to come in on 3rd down and rush effectively. The rest of their draft was pretty good.

For the East, How can you give the Johnny White pick a D+? A 5th round pick on that talent is a great move, and if he stays healthy he should be a perfect compliment for Spiller. Aaron Williams was considered a first round talent by many, and his versatility for CB and FS makes it hard for me to agree with the B+ rating you gave him. Sure, they didn’t address OL till late but like many teams drafting that high, they had a lot of needs and couldn’t fill them all with one draft.

I could go on, but I’d rather not. I like a grader who doesn’t give out only B’s and A’s, but you really need to check your bias at the door when grading the AFC North

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by DBroncs1414 on May 3, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I take the "I could go on part back"

I’m pretty cool with the rest of your ratings except the Solder pick. Still, I do sense a hint of bias in your AFC North rankings and I thought you were a little harsh on an overall good Bills draft

If you reply to a comment/post/fanshot of mine, I will more likely then not respond to it, unless you come off like a d-bag.

by DBroncs1414 on May 3, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree whole heartedly, though if you look at the Browns needs and what they’re working towards – the picks filled the needs like a glove.

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Hayden, Cleveland Browns.

by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the support for Baltimore. Everything you said is true, especially about Jimmy Smith and him being in the most pass happy conference in all of college football.

And of course he wasn’t biased on Pittsburgh and Heyward. Simply because of the fact that he and others were taken by Pittsburgh gives them an automatic A. Heyward fell for a reason, including injury and motor.

Frankly, any player could have been chosen by Pittsburgh and he would have given them A’s, and you know this Seton Hall.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 3, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cut him some slack. You have to respect the amount of time he puts into this.

He’s being a homer, sure, but it’s not like we’ve never done it.

by BAL_Hawk on May 3, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seton’s my boy, I’ve told him many time thanks for all the research he has done.

"As far as nobody agreeing with me, how many people stood up to prevent the crucifixion of Jesus?" - The Shadow

by Mr MaLoR on May 3, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly, any player could have been chosen by Pittsburgh and he would have given them A’s, and you know this Seton Hall.

that is an utter and complete lie. Last year my Steelers grades were (using the same rules):
Maurkice Pouncey: A
Jason Worilds: C
Emmanuel Sanders: C+
Thaddeus Gibson: B+
Chris Scott: B-
Credzon Butler: A-
Stevenson Sylvester: B+
Jonathan Dwyer: A
Antonio Brown: B
Doug Worthington: B
Team Grade: B-

This year I just happened to like every one of our picks but not love any of them, hence the 5 A-, 1 B+, and 1 B. Piss off and quit whining. Most other “experts” agree with my assesment of the Steelers draft. The biggest difference I have vs. most “experts” is on the Gilbert pick.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just foolin ya, like you do with me bout Joe.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 3, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok. You know this was a great draft

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by seton hall and steelers on May 3, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I give it a B

"As far as nobody agreeing with me, how many people stood up to prevent the crucifixion of Jesus?" - The Shadow

by Mr MaLoR on May 4, 2011 1:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Browns B+, Ravens B+ (would be higher if bears lived up to there bargains), Bengals A-, Steelers B- (you need more than one OL pick – upgrade the line or you’ll have a repeat of this

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Hayden, Cleveland Browns.

by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:39 AM EDT reply actions  

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/12/cold_delight_cleveland_browns.html

"They kept throwing it at me. I don’t know why. They just kept trying, and I just kept knocking it down." - Joe Hayden, Cleveland Browns.

by J. W. on May 4, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

What???
I started laughing when I saw this. The Ravens need a LT of the future yet they trade up to take a RT. When he would have still been there 5 picks later. I know, it is really funny. Him and Oher now give them two decent RT’s and no LT’s.

The Ravens have 2 of the best LT’s in the NFL on there roster with Micheal Oher and Jared Gaither. Why on Earth would they need another LT???

Just by your wording I can tell your a Steelers fan. There’s nothing wrong with that but this article is completely biased against the Ravens. Jimmy Smith was the perfect pick for the Ravens with there tough and disciplined locker room. I wouldn’t want to see Jimmy smart off to Ray Lewis or Ed Reed, that wouldn’t be pretty.

I thought the Raven’s had a great draft, overall.

by RamblinWreck7 on May 4, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Oher was horrible at LT this year and is a better RT

Gaither is a FA and will 95% not be resigned

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by seton hall and steelers on May 4, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true…

If the league plays under the same CBA rules as last season, Gaither will be a RFA, and the Raven will simply tender him. If they miraculously get a new CBA done and it reduces the requirements of UFA’s, I still think the Ravens are the favorite to resign him since they know more about his injury history than any other team.

Frankly, I don’t understand the media hype around Gaither. I think it makes a good story, but there’s little logic behind it.

by BAL_Hawk on May 4, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was his first year at LT, gotta give these guys time. Oher is our LT of the future, so get that assumption out of your head.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 5, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

when he proves he can play LT I will stop saying its a need

until then, it is a need. Honestly, Oher false starts more than any tackle I have ever seen. It bewilders me as to how he does not get called for more of them as about 20% (maybe an over-exageration) he false starts. Him and Willie Colon should hold a competition to see who can false start more without being called. They are both really good false starters.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 5, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are both really good false starters.

No, they are both really good at getting off at the snap.

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by Mr MaLoR on May 5, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

when he proves he can play LT I will stop saying its a need until then, it is a need.

I’ll be sure to inform Ozzie of this.

by BAL_Hawk on May 5, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are crazy.

Michael Oher is a pro bowl caliber LT who is one of the BEST in the league along with Gaither. I’m not for sure what the Ravens will do with Gaither though, either release him or sign him. I wonder how much your Steelers would love to have a LT of Oher’s caliber.

by RamblinWreck7 on May 6, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

how was Oher a pro bowl caliber LT this year?

Look at his advanced statistics. They rank from average to below average. Steelers already have an average LT in Max Starks

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by seton hall and steelers on May 6, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stats... really?

You would try to prove something with stats. So according to your stats Jared Gaither completely sucks, I mean he had no stats last year, right?

Watch the game tape, Oher has an incredibly quick step off the line is very good. He will be even better next year after his 1st season as the full time LT.

by RamblinWreck7 on May 6, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gaither is good but is often injured and is a FA

Oher’s first step looks quick because it is a false start all the time.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 6, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

YUP! Zero sacks during the regular season against Oher!

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by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I respect the Pats

for always looking into the future. But for a team with that many picks I too think they blew it. Brady is at the peak of his career and it can only go downhill. It may take a couple years or more for that to happen but when you’ve got a top 5 QB of all time you better surround him with talent every year.

They got too cutesy with trading. Would it kill you to use two first rounders in the same draft? Patriots should be in win now and forever mode but they just keep getting picks for the next year. Solder is a project and his impact will likely be minimal in his first couple years.

Dowling is a solid pick and my fave from their choices but he’s injury prone. Vereen is a meh pick. The NFL is more about passing. The Pats have solid RB’s already. Then they go out and get ANOTHER RB? Seriously? It’s not even a clear BPA or anything.

And then MALLET?!? Seriously?!? The dude needs to play to have some trade worth but who in their right mind would take snaps away form Brady if it isn’t a 41-0 lead? They tried way too much to seem ahead of the curve with this one.

And their defense still has no solid pass rushers. I don’t know how a defense could be even decent without some sort of pass rush but hey let’s get a QB and take headlines.

I was looking forward to seeing how the Pats would improve so that they’ll own the Jets but they blew it.

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by Drizzzy on May 5, 2011 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

of course i disagree on the patriots draft

1. the patriots went defense heavy in the previous 2 drafts with something like 80 percent of the picks the last few years being defensive players. maybe bb likes what he has seen from his young defense maybe he thinks the young players are getting better. maybe he thinks that adding more young players to young players could stunt players growth.
2. nate solder and sebastian vollmer the pats have 2 bookend tackles for the next decade you cant argue with that line of thinking when protecting the franchise qb is its most important thing to do . many many many football draftniks scouts etc said on solder he prob has the highest upside of any of the 1st round tackles. and dante scarnecchia one of the best oline coaches in football can help him get to that upside.
3. BB has his own draft board and sticks to it no matter what he looks for players that fit his systems not what draftniks fans or anyone else thinks his needs are.
4. and yes he trades a lot and moves around but you know what this year he basicly got a 2nd round pick for nothing. if there is a player that bb wants he will make sure he gets that player if he has to trade up down in or out he will get the player he wants.
5. as a huge brady fan i dont even like the idea of them drafting a qb in the draft but mallett in the 3rd round is a steal and a risk a team like the patriots can afford to take.
6. and on vereen think kevin faulk on the juice. run catcha nd block plus he is strong most reps of 225 of any running back in the draft.
7 ras i dowling would have been a top 20 pick if he didnt get injured his senior season if he went pro after junior year he would have been a first round pick. and dowling had some injuries his senior year but that was the only year he had injury issues. so i would hardly call him injury prone.

by brady12mvp3 on May 6, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

and to be continued

brady and the offense was as much or more to blame in my opinion for losing to the jets in the playoffs.
marcus cannon a 2nd round talent if healthy in the 5th round.
 lee smith tight end replaces alge crumpler mike mayock called him the very best blocking tight end in the draft.
 and on the pass rusher on the 01 03 and 04 superbowl teams not one had a double digit sack man on the team. and i might be wrong i think in all bb years only 2 had 10 or more vrabel and banta cain.

by brady12mvp3 on May 6, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Except...

those 80 percent of your picks have amounted to a mediocre defense that could have been worse if Brady didn’t have an insane interception free streak.

Well give me the crystal ball that you have but I had no idea Solder was a guaranteed LT for the next decade. He’s a project and projects don’t have good floors. It may have been worth the risk but I don’t have a big problem with it.

His own draft board doesn’t make him automatically right.

And don’t give me that BPA nonsense with Mallet. Taking any snaps away form Brady would be a horrible move. If they’re concerned with the long term outlook of Brady then maybe a surer OT would be a good pick.

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by Drizzzy on May 6, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Mediocre Defense?

You mean the one that finished 8th in PPG allowed? The drafts that have given us McCourty, Chung, Spikes and Cunningham?

Mallett won’t take any snaps from Brady. We could easily end up with a Kolb/Whitehurst situation where we have teams wanting to give us 1st rounders or 2nd+3rd rounders.

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by Cameron O on May 7, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

yes that makes PERFECT sense

Mallet whow as taken in the 3rd won’t take snaps for Brady but he’ll be so good on the bench that people will want to give a 1st rounder on him

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_1135_Def._Hog_Index.html

21 best defense when accounting for every defensive measure. That sucks. You’re right they don’t have a medicore defense they have a HORRENDOUS defense.

by Lolmoarpl0x on May 10, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mallett was the best QB in this draft. By an absolute mile.

Fortunately, his off-field baggage put him into the 3rd round. If he looks good in preseason and cleanup work, and appears to have done what Ryan Leaf couldn’t, he’s easily worth a 1st in a couple of years.

I guess the QBs felt so sorry for our defense, they threw it directly to us 25 times…
The defense was never a Steelers-style “you’re not getting any yards today” D, but they were able to force teams to do what they wanted them to do – pass the ball. 36 sacks is a normal total. Bodden is an upgrade over Arrington or Butler, Dowling should be good (he’s a 2nd round pick, after all), and a healthy D-line and some continuity in the OLBs should boost the D back into he top 10.

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by insertscreenname on May 10, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlie Whitehurst got a 2nd and a 3rd and never played a snap.

And our D is not a yardage D. It is a “don’t give up points D.” Oh, and look at that, we gave up the 8th fewest points in the league, and 14th in sacks, and 1st in turnovers. That is not a horrendous defense. It is a slightly above average defense that was the youngest in the league and will improve with experience.

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by Cameron O on May 10, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell me what rank we are in points and turnovers

and we can talk. Because thats what our defense is supposed to do.

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by Jack'sAxe on May 10, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

As if sports in general let alone football is that simple.

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by Drizzzy on May 10, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what our defense is supposed to do.

Our defense does not care about yards. Our defense cares about:

A) Creating turnovers

B) Preventing the other team from getting points.

I could care less of how many yards we give up, as long as we do very well in those other departments.

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by Jack'sAxe on May 10, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

since when is solder a project?

he is a 3 year starter at left tackle for colorado? He is far from a project. and yes you are right there is no guarentee that he will be the starter for the next 10 years i am sorry i portrayed that incorrectly. i meant you cant argue the fact with the thought process of drafting offensive lineman and protecting the best qb in the game. and PLEASE explain to me how mallet will take 1 snap away from tom brady ? please tell me how that is going to happen. now onto the pats defense like cam said how is 8th in points allowed mediocre? what wins and loses games yards allowed or points allowed??? the pats defense is young and needs exp and started slowly but as the season went along the defense was getting better and better. i am not saying they are the second coming of the ravens defense or da bears but they are far far far from mediocre the pats are a top 10 defense on the way up.
and i am not saying having his own draft board makes him right i mean he doesnt go by popular demand or what people think he should do. he sticks to his boards and his value. bb is not perfect he makes mistakes just like every other coach/gm but right now he is doing his job better then everyone else.
a surer ot would be a good pick ???? how do u know solder isnt the surer OT ? solder has a lot of the qualitys the pats look for in a OT he has a lot of the same qualities that vollmer has and they also have one of the best oline coaches in football maybe he likes solder more then costanzo or carimi.

by brady12mvp3 on May 7, 2011 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

he is a huge project

He needs to improve his footwork, learn how to use his hands better, at some weight to his frame, learn how to block down the field better, and work on limiting holding

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by seton hall and steelers on May 7, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

i disagree on huge project

he is a 3 year starter . he moved to tackle for his soph year he is learning and getting better and will have a great oline coach in scarnecchia . he needs to get stronger and keep learning. i know hard to compete with the steelers A++++++ draft they have.

by brady12mvp3 on May 7, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that he was a 3 year starter and is so far behind in his technique, makes you question the pick even more

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by Rorschach44 on May 7, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

just because he was a 3 year starter does not mean he is not a project

Curtis Brown was a 3 year starter at Texas but he is still a 2 year project to become a starter

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by seton hall and steelers on May 7, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well as I have said

Solder = Vollmer. They said Vollmer was a two-three year project. He ended up being our starting LT for four games, then a starting RT for the rest of that year (minus two games for a head injury) and our starting right tackle this year.

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by Cameron O on May 7, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

They said the same thing about Sebastian Vollmer

and he was graded as a low 3rd to 4th round selection who wasn’t invited to the combine. Both of them had similar negatives in their scouting report.
Dante Scarnecchia is one of the best O line coaches you will never see in the NFL. If he likes Solder, I fully trust him to develop him in a year or less.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and also, how is he doing a better job than every other GM/coach

when he has not one a playoff game since 2007?

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by seton hall and steelers on May 7, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

well lets see

he pretty much rebuilt his team and still stayed in the hunt for the superbowl. yes true the last couple playoff games have not gone the pats way but they have a young defense that is gaining exp.

by brady12mvp3 on May 7, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Are you SERIOUSLY using points

as a measuring stick? Obviously the Patriots would have lesser points since Brady doesn’t throw interceptions thus giving the opposing team worse positioning.

Points is unbelievably flawed for a defensive measure. Try weighting out points by removing the turnover factor THEN talk about your defense.

by Lolmoarpl0x on May 10, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Points are what determines the game. Turnovers and preventing points are much more important than YARDS given up.

YARDAGE not so much, and can also be skewed due to how many times the QB on the opposing team throws the ball (a la Kyle Orton esque). Which many QBs HAD to throw the ball against us a lot because they were playing behind.

And our defense is not based for yards ,but limiting points and creating turnovers. Both of which we do very well.

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by Jack'sAxe on May 10, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Look up abberation

and that defines the takeways that the Patriots got last season. And yes points determines a game but it’s poor evidence when determining the best defense when so many other factors not relating to the defense is involved…

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by Drizzzy on May 10, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

but its the most important one. The whole point of a defense is to commit turnovers to get the offense the ball, and to prevent the other team from getting point.

The pats defense does both of these very well. Dont let yards blind you from the overall picture.

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by Jack'sAxe on May 10, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

The Pats have ton of picks, but it really never seems to amount in anyone good. McCourty was a first rounder, that’s a solid pick. All the others…meh.

I was so glad they took Solder cuz that was apparently the Giants boy there. He’s as much a project as Tyron Smith and he doesn’t even have the excuse of being 50lbs underweight and playing the right side.

I disagree with the knock against the Mallett pick. 3-4 years down the road he could be their starter, especially if they’re starting Nate Solder any time soon Brady will get killed.

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by Rorschach44 on May 7, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd because of the last part

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by seton hall and steelers on May 7, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Few thoughts

In that draft they got Gronk because of a series of trades dating back to, I think, the year before. I know he plays offense but he was in that draft class with Mccourty. Also, these players we are talking about are only 1-2 year players. They still have to develop to show what they are capable of. For example, Ron Brace was starting to come along until he was injured. The defense, because of all the changes, hasn’t been able to build a strong chemistry and amalgamate into one. After, 1 more year for the 2-year players and 2 more years for the previous rookies it would be more reasonable to assess their contributions.

by Always Sunny Next Year on May 7, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gronkowski- 10 TD's, Beast. Will be top 5 TE as long as he stays away from injury. Rated #2 TE by Football Outsiders.

Aaron Hernandez- Ranked 7th best TE by FooballOutsiders this year, 45 rec 500+ receiving yards and 6 TD’s.

Devin McCourty- Shut down corner his rookie year, 7 INT’s, 17 ST tackles, 2 FF’s, 17 PD’s. Got votes for DROY considering the hype and year that Suh had, is impressive. First team All-Pro for SN, second team all-pro for AP.

Brandon Spikes+Jermaine Cunningham- Both have been named in numerous lists years as guys to watch out for, specifically Spikes. Run stuffing LB with a great tackle percentage and great instincts. Cunningham should have had 6 sacks this year, but simply couldn’t bring down the QB.

Patrick Chung- From PFW

S Patrick Chung: One of the defense’s top playmakers, Chung finished second on the team with 96 tackles. He added three picks and nine passes defensed. He blocked a punt and field goal while also recording a pick-six in the Week Four win over the Dolphins. He needs to improve his coverage, but Chung is a good hitter and adds an aggressive dynamic to the defense.

Sebastien Vollmer- 2 year starter a LT/RT, has consistently beat all competition. All-Pro in his SECOND YEAR, the year they predicted he wouldn’t be able to start because he was a “project.”

Myron Pryor+Ron Brace- 2 run stuffing DE, with Brace being big enough to hold the NT spot. Both improved last year, but faced injuries (as the entire D-Line did.) Expect a lot of them this year.

Brandon Tate- Great KR last year, lost a year due to injury. This is the deciding year to see if he can be a poor man’s desean jackson.

Julian Edelman- Great PR, and filled in well his rookie year for Welker. Is a good slot receiver, and lost time this year with the reversion to the 2 TE offense.

Darius Butler- Solid rookie season. Got abused last year by Braylon Edwards, shook his confidence, didn’t play well the rest of the year. Fits the slot corner role better with the Pats already having Bodden, Dowling and McCourty.

These are our picks who have done well over the last two years. I count 12 guys. Every Pats fan knows from ‘06-’08, we didn’t have great drafts. We switched in Caserio for Pioli, and have had two of the better drafts (probably best ‘10 class) over the past two years. This year we took “projects” and guys who presented value at their picks. Another factor is that this year, you don’t particularly want to draft for immediate impact, as without the training camps and playbooks, when the season begins, most rookies won’t have the knowledge of the system to be effective. I’ll refer you to these articles, as the people who write them are better at articulating than I am.

http://www.patspulpit.com/2011/5/2/2149913/patriots-2011-draft-analysis-the-importance-of-patience-development

http://www.patspulpit.com/2011/5/2/2150079/nfl-draft-2011-patriots-wont-rely-on-rookies-thats-a-good-thing

RIP Seve

by Cameron O on May 7, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

F forgot Zoltan "Space Emperor of the Universe" Mesko

had a great rookie season. Basically won us the Ravens game with a 65 yard punt in Overtime that changed the field position battle.

RIP Seve

by Cameron O on May 7, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Butler is not good.

Edelman is OK, he’s a STs player. Ditto for Tate. Pryor and Brace are decent enough 3-4 DEs, nothing special.

Volmer’s started cuz he’s had to, not cuz he’s good.

Chung’s a good STer

Spikes is slower then Shit. Cunningham isn’t solving anyone’s pass rush problems by any means

McCourty is very good.

The 2 TEs are solid, but I’d give 90% of that credit to #12.

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by Rorschach44 on May 7, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

.....

um okay. Don’t trust the guy who’s been watching these guys. Or the people bestowing ALL-PRO votes onto Vollmer. Edelman had 12 receptions for over 100 yards in a playoff game, and if Welker goes down, we know we have a good backup. Brace and Pryor are both good players when healthy, their problem was health last year.

If you knew anything about Spikes, you’d not just say he’s “slow as shit” because he ran a 5.0 40. He’s got burst, and he is an excellent SILB. With the TE’s, you can’t expect more, and you can’t use Brady as a detriment to them. Cunningham had 5-6 sack opportunities last year where he touched the QB and didn’t bring him down. He learns how to tackle, he has 6-8 a year, which is what the Pats want.

I’m still baffled by that Vollmer comment. He allowed 2 sacks this year. Pats were the NUMBER 1 team running at RT this year. How can you say he’s not good???

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by Cameron O on May 7, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've watched as many Pats games as you have

People give all pro votes to Vollmer cuz they wagon the Patriots. I don’t care who the hell votes.

Edelman had 12 catches in a game. Good for him, no one was gameplaning for him.

I know everything about Spikes. He’s slow as molassess.

Cunningham could’ve got 6 sacks. Big deal. Kiwaunuka could’ve had 20 sacks in 2009, Umenyiora more then that. Almost doesn’t matter here.

2 sacks allowed means nothing. I watch the Patriots. They throw a ton of dink and dunk crap that gets the ball out of Brady’s hands. By scheme he doesn’t get sacked cuz the OL is such a work in progress, cuz they had a rookie from a college gimmick offense starting at OT. Vollmer’s big and tall, by design people can’t get around him. Doesn’t make him any good (and it shows when you actually have to run th ball).

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by Rorschach44 on May 8, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

#1 running at RT, top 10 in rushing offense overall.

I’m not saying these are all HOF players, but what I’m saying is that you seriously undervalue the role these players played on a 14-3 team. Cunningham will get 5-7 sacks a year. Spikes will be one of the better run stopping LB’ers in the NFL. Vollmer is one of the best linemen in the NFL. Last year (still playing randy moss longball) he shut down dwight freeney and the other pass rushers he faced at LT. This year, he was solo almost every down, allowed two sacks, and minimal amount of pressures. He’s not just a system guy, as shown by being NUMBER 1 rushing offense going at RT. Best in the league running at RT. That is a damn good linemen. And I don’t understand how you would have watched as many Pats games as I have, considering your a Giants fan, nor would you be looking as in depth into the team.

RIP Seve

by Cameron O on May 8, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I live in Massachusetts

so I watch every game. That’s why. Vollmer’s numbers are inflated, as you’re rattling off the same sort of numbers the Lions fans spew when they talk about the 4th rated pass blocking line.

you dink and dunk. Welker’s passes take about 1 second to get off, Vollmer get a ton of help as well (2 TE sets)

I highly doubt you’re ""Number 1" going to the right side anyway.

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by Rorschach44 on May 8, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um from Football Outsiders

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Number 1 at RT, number 2 at RE.

Also, that’s only 1 part of our offense. We have more quick routes than most, but we still run a lot of developing routes. Look at plays like the TD to Branch in the Ravens game. Brady has all day. You’re over generalizing the entire offense. We throw short passes, but we also throw mid to long passes as well+a lot of the shorter routes aren’t quick slants, they’re double moves that still take some time to develop. That plus having every teams fans complain about how much time Brady has in the pocket on SBN (go have fun with the Colts fans about this) tends to make me think that our O-Line is pretty good, and Vollmer was the best O-Linemen on that line.

RIP Seve

by Cameron O on May 8, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

either way, all doubtful that this is Vollmer's doing

just cuz they’re ranked running better to the right side, doesn’t meant that the RT is the best player on the line.

More then a few of those teams ranked in the top 5 with the RT run stats, I dunno who in their right mind would call their RT the best player on their line (especially the Browns….)

And these stats are subjective, they always are. All I know is the Pats line is mediocre at best and Vollmer’s starting otu of necessity.

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by Rorschach44 on May 8, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are mediocre

minus Mankins and Vollmer.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mankins, yea

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by Rorschach44 on May 8, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

shrug

He shut down Freeney in his rookie season. Shut down Mathis in his 2nd season. Struggled against Cameron Wake in the 1st Fins game but did a fine job against him in the 2nd Fins game. Handled Woodley in his 2nd year.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

good luck with that

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by Rorschach44 on May 8, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dave Diehl shuts down Demarcus Ware all the time

doesn’t mean he’s any good. Ditto for Vollmer

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by Rorschach44 on May 8, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

The fact that he has shut down every elite pass rusher he faced..I’ll take him over any OT’s taken in the 09 draft.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHAT?

Vollmer is a second All Pro tackle.
Edelman, in his 1st game as a rookie starter had 9 catches against the Jets for 89 yards.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lots of players make 2nd all pro and shouldn't

its a voting thing, and like I’ve said the voters seem to gravitate to the Patriots nuts whenever they can.

And good for Edleman. Countless WRs have had a good game like that when no one is game planning for them.

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by Rorschach44 on May 8, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

well the only two pats players from last year that should have never been voted

was Meriweather and Matt Light.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 8, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how every Steeler's pick has a great grade.

Also, as a Pats fan, our draft was not as bad as you made it out to be. You’re the first person I’ve seen that has said Solder is two or three years away from starting. He’ll probably start this year, and an OT was of great need for us. Dowling was a great pick, especially with the way Wilhite and Bodden (injured) have underperformed. Him and McCourty give us two solid corners. I liked the Vereen pick, he’s a great back, maybe could have gotten him later in the draft though. The Ridley pick is the only one I agree with you on, I don’t understand the pick at all. Marcus Cannon was an amazing pick considering where we drafted him at. He could also start this year at guard. The rest of our picks were average except for Mallet, which was a nice pick considering where we got him. Overall, I’d give the Pats draft a B-.

Seriously though, nobody is going to take you analysis serious with the amount of “homerism” you have. You gave the Steelers 7th round pick an A-. Seriously? Baron Batch is an A-?

YURP

by TheYurpman on May 7, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   4 recs

I haven't heard that Solder's supposed to be a day one starter

from anyone other then a few Pats fans on this site.

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by Rorschach44 on May 7, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Malcolm Williams is more than just measurables... But I'm not gonna lie -

He’s a SPECIAL TEAMS BEAST!

You want some insight into what “aspect of his game” stands out to a guy like Belichick?

Here ya go….

Williams is the 2nd guy to touch the ball.

It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....

by yurintroubl on May 9, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Line of thought now is that he’ll replace Matthew Slater as a ST/backup-DB-backup. Still would have preferred a 7th round flier on an OLB, but this guy would have a place on the field on Sundays.

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by insertscreenname on May 9, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re the first person I’ve seen that has said Solder is two or three years away from starting. He’ll probably start this year

Every scouting report I have read on him (and I have read many) plus what I have watched on him screams that he is at least one year, if not 2 to 3, away from being a solid OT

He could also start this year at guard.

Cannon has to undergo treatment for cancer and won’t be back until at the earliest week 12 and the latest it could be is not until the start of the 2012-2013 season
Seriously though, nobody is going to take you analysis serious with the amount of "homerism" you have. You gave the Steelers 7th round pick an A-. Seriously? Baron Batch is an A-?

Batch was a 6th to 7th round prospect on my board and a lot of other boards. He fills a big need as a 3rd down back since Mwelde Moore is likely gone to FA and is a great pass catcher and pass blocker which is what you need to be a 3rd down back.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 7, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different Pats fan view

Although I’m a Pats fan I have to agree with those saying Solder isn’t ready right now. I don’t have the time to watch game film, but from what I’ve read it appears as though he needs to bulk up and needs some improvement to his technique . Due to the lockout, Dante Scarnecchia can’t work with him and Solder can’t use the training facilities. Using this thought process it seems as though the Patriots would be best served to bring back Light for the year. If Light plays well, he could complete the season. If not, Solder could come in towards the end of the year and take over the LT position.

by Always Sunny Next Year on May 7, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, every 6th or 7th round pick would have been great for you. Wanna bet money that Batch doesn’t make the team?

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Batch will only make the team if Moore is not resigned

If Moore isn’t resigned I am almost positive that Batch will be our 3rd down back. If Moore is resigned Batch will be PS

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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have a draft board ?

What NFL team do you work for ? Give me a break. You need to check your homerism levels are skyrocketing. Funny steelers drafts gets all A’s. Then people call u out on it and u suddenly change them . Pats had a much better draft then your giving them credit for . Across the board b average for them .

by brady12mvp3 on May 7, 2011 5:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

I make a draft board after watching 100 of hours of tape.

My board consisted of 427 players. You are obviously going to want a higher grade for your team but the fact is it just was not a very good draft. Get over it.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 7, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Says a steeler homer

Haha. I am over it trust me .

by brady12mvp3 on May 7, 2011 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

By tape, you mean 5 minute you tube highlights right?

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

yea or the total of over 1000 hours

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My Steelers blog: thenewsteelcurtain.blogspot.com/

by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

of game film

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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

What game film? You have every game of every player from last year at your hands to just watch like that? What other than youtube have you watched?

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is this thing called a tivo plus some scouting sites and services that provide full game film

also, I have 390 college games from 2010-2011 saved on my cpu because as I tivo them I transfer them to my computer. That game film.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately for you

Mel Kiper does the same thing. So yeah, you’re in the same class as Mel Kiper currently. Mel gave us a C last year, A+ this year. Hopefully, the trend continues.

RIP Seve

by Cameron O on May 10, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

You are obviuosly a bit of a homer but I respect your work. Haters gonna hate and there is nothing you can do to stop it. I rec’d your post, even with it many flaws.

by Ravens One on May 11, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

And somehow, every pick the Steelers made were magically at the top of HIS board as well.

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

its pretty funny Mr Malor

i mean i expect every fan to have a smidgen of homerism and overvalue his own teams picks or players i 100 percent admit i have a little homerism , i try to keep a open mind about all players and try to realize that there are better players on other teams but this guy seton hall and rorshac44 take homerism to a whole new level.

by brady12mvp3 on May 9, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They love their teams, so any player they take they will say it is a great pick, especially when you have a history of nailing on picks in certain rounds.

I love my picks by Baltimore as well, but there is no way I am going to give all my picks from rounds 3-7 an A- or so.

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like the patriots draft as well

i dont think it was a A+++++ but it was a solid b draft from top to bottom. it was no steeler draft thats for sure hahaha

by brady12mvp3 on May 9, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

No draft ever will be. They have won 6 Superbowls, even though there was a 30 year difference between their runs. It automatically makes everything they do the elite.

They could hire a new janitor and Steeler fans would give him an A- grade because it fills a major need and he was the best toilet scrubber left on the board.

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And a steal -

They’d only pay him 10k a year.
But he gets to have a cigar with Mr Rooney…

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on May 9, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes they were all high on my board

Heyward was the top DE left on my board
Gilbert was the top OT left on my board
Brown was the top player left on my board
Allen was the 2nd rated CB on my board
Carter was the 2nd best player on my board (and Mel Kiper’s board had him #3 for your information)
Williams was the top guard on my board
Batch was the 4th rated RB left on my board

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My Steelers blog: thenewsteelcurtain.blogspot.com/

by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, change your name to Kevin Colbert Jr. Pretty crazy that you and Colbert had the EXACT SAME board. Me and Ozzie had the same board as well.

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Smith was the top CB left on my board
Torrey Smith was the top WR left on my board
Jah Reid was the top player left on my board
Tandon Doss was the 2nd WR left on my board
Chykie Brown was the best CB left on my board
Tyrod Taylor was the best QB left on my board
Anthony Allen was the 3rd RB left on my board.

Do you believe this?

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

my rankings of your picks

Jimmy Smith was the top CB left on my board
Torrey Smith was the top WR left on my board
Reid was the 4th rated tackle left on my board
Doss was the 3rd rated WR left on my board
Brown was the 7th rated corner left on my board
Taylor was the 4th rated QB left on my board
Allen was the 5th rated RB left on my board.

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My Steelers blog: thenewsteelcurtain.blogspot.com/

by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's one example - sorry Malor, but it's the best example -
Baltimore Ravens
Summary: As much as the Ravens got great value, this is one that backfired a bit. Sergio Kindle got hurt off the field, and it seems as though his career is in jeopardy at this point. Terrence Cody is blocked by the great Haloti Ngata, and even good value pick Ramon Harewood was on the injured reserve. I still think the tight ends the Ravens got in Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta can help out, but this class is off to a tough start overall.

Draft grade: A | Current Grade: C-minus

These are your grades SHAS, so grade them how you see fit. But since the whole draft grading process is less than useless, I’m not going to argue.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on May 8, 2011 11:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

All good. Not sure how Ngata and Cody have any relevance in the conversation being as they play different positions.

"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith

by Mr MaLoR on May 9, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess Kiper assumes Ngata just occupies space in the middle.

"Perhaps it was the Noid who should have avoided me." Mayor Adam West

by insertscreenname on May 9, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another complaint from a pats fan for ya

I also look at film on players, but not as much as you claim to be.

Solder: You say Solder wont start in about 2-3 years? Well guess what,

they said the same thing about Vollmer, who started mid season and shut down premier pass rushers who you were already told about. Now shutting down guys like freeney and mathis, and doing that for two years in a row against other guys in a row, is SAYING SOMETHING about the guy. You cant say that he is not really that great if he can do this. Vollmer is HIGHLY underrated and is a proven blocker in both the pass and the run.

Now, Solder is just like vollmer, only he has more starting experience than vollmer in college. He also played FB, and TE. The only complaints is his technique really. Keep in mind that our OL coach is perhaps the best OL coach in the league, or at least top 3.

Matt Light is getting older, and we can keep him for a year if solder must learn a bit. But damn, solder has the highest ceiling in potential among LT prospects, and when he gets clicking he would be a very good pick in hindsight.

Ras-I: A very physical corner who has speed, and good hip movement for a guy his size. Also can play FS as well. Bodden is coming off an injury, and we dont know how he’ll be. Ras-I was a first rounder before his injury, and we need a CB who can play opposite of McCourty when Bodden leaves, or only has enough left in the tank to play Slot instead. We dont want arrington or butler there at #2 thank you.

Our two RBs: 4/5 RBs in our roster are free agents, and 3/5 of them are over 32. We NEED RBs. We do not need Ingram though, because we dont want to spend a first rounder on a guy who would be in a committee. We were top 10 in rushing offense with our committee, and Vereen and Ridley will provide excellent production for us.

Ridley can play FB as well, block, and he is great at yards after contact. Vereen is like a swiss army knife. he can block, catch, return punts, and run outside and in between the tackles. I would probably pick these two guys over Morris and Taylor on our roster. Ingram, while he is the best RB in the draft, is not worth a 1st because I would rather spend a 1st rounder on a guy who can perform on all 3 downs, or 4 downs(special teams), then on a guy who would only get half of the carries on our RB core.

Mallet: The major knock was his character, which is not even that bad. The worst he has done was public intoxication, which is just as serious as jay walking really. He is considered the best PURE PASSER in the draft, and was a 1st round pick before those “concerns about character” were on him. He was a team captain on his team, and he’ll be learning behind Brady for maybe 4 years(the amount of time cassel and aaron rodgers spent behind their QBs before starting) and then he could get the start.

Okay me and you are on the same page with cannon.

Lee Smith: Best blocking TE in the draft, who has potential in the passing game. Crumpler will be gone next year most likely, and the only other blocking TE we have is Gonk. Smith would fit greatly here, because two blocking TEs have helped us greatly in New England(Watson and Graham in pats super bowl years; Kyle Brady, Ben Watson in 07; Gronk and Crumpler in 2010). Smith would be able to sufficiently provide blocking for brady and the running game.

And I agree on williams.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 9, 2011 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I guess just because two players are big and athletic make them the same?

Just because Solder and Vollmer are both big and athletic they are not the same. Solder has bad footwork, does not use his hands well, gets beat a lot by any above average pass rusher, and his only strength is his run blocking. Add in that he has to put on 10 to 20 pounds and you get a project.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gets beat a lot... hmmmm
Allowed five sacks and 21 pressures in 1,400 career passing plays.

Also, don’t know if you haven’t noticed, but between the end of their college careers and their first NFL game, a lot of rookies put on some weight. Gaining weight /=/ project. It’s someone who is gonna beef up with a trainer before the year.

RIP Seve

by Cameron O on May 9, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

cameron dont hurt seton hall with facts

he wouldnt understand it doesnt match up to his "draft board " and extensive research of game film.

by brady12mvp3 on May 9, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how Von Miller

said that the best OT he faced in college from the 09 and 10 season was Solder…and not that other 1st round from the 2010 class like Trent Williams (OKH 4th overall) and Russell Okung (OKH ST 6th overall)

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by NinjaZX6R on May 10, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

^ forgot about this

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 10, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Solder is not going to be able to work with your God of a OL coach until the lockout is over

which narrows his chances of being any good this year to less than 10%. I said he has a lot of upside and potential and everybody knows that but 90% of people agree that he is a project of at least 1 year and up to 3 years.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does he need to be great this year?

He’ll be good with one year of Scarn coaching. You can resign Light for a couple years. You can have Kazcur be you’re RT with Vollmer as your LT. Again, I refer you to this article

http://www.patspulpit.com/2011/5/2/2150079/nfl-draft-2011-patriots-wont-rely-on-rookies-thats-a-good-thing

Rookies don’t have to fill the needs of today, they can fill the needs of tomorrow and be just as effective.

RIP Seve

by Cameron O on May 9, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah sure the lockout is going on

but once it is lifted, and football starts(hopefully) he’ll be learning right away. Also doesnt hurt to have Matt Light teaching you as well as Vollmer at the Tackle positions.

At least 1 year? I can buy that. but that doesnt make this draft grade a C just because of that. He is still good, just needs polishing, and considering, again, about how good our OL coach is, and that he has Light and Vollmer to help him out, considering THIS situation he should be fine, and prove to be a worthy LT (and please note that i didnt say he WILL be a worthy LT. I am just assuming because he is good, but needs polishing, AND that we have an extremely good OL coach).

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 9, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And like Cameron said, we dont need him to start right away.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 9, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok but any player that needs a lot of polishing is a risk in the 1st round

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by seton hall and steelers on May 9, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

no. any player that needs A LOT of polishing is a risk, and usually drops into the 2nd and further back. AKA Dontay Moch, and last year in Bruce Campbell.

Solder is already GOOD, just needs a BIT more polishing in his technique. Does not make him NOT a first rounder, and DOES NOT make him a project. It makes him a 1st rounder who has a lot of upside.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 9, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

where did I say they are the same because they are both big and athletic?

I clearly said up there that the analysts, and YOU are saying the same thing to solder as they said to Vollmer. I did not say they are the same due to physicals.

Solder is about 320 lbs, he doesnt need to build up. And besides, his build is fine for the LT position. He uses his hands well, but not great, but look…. the pats have the best, if not top 3, OL coach in the nfl. I am sure Solder will be fine learning quickly and get smoother in his technique.

I’ll take 11 players with heart on the field over 11 guys with just talent. Talent is fleeting, it goes away over time. Heart is what drives you to be better. To push yourself beyond what you think your capabilities are. To show us that when you strive, all things are possible.- SMP

by Jack'sAxe on May 9, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should be slapped with powder.

You make a lot of good points…
But you rated Cameron Heyward over Jimmy Smith… Really?

by Justin Lawson Isett on Jun 3, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  


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