Predicting which team will have a break-out season
by TheTealDeal on May 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT
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Pick the team that will surprise people next season. This team can either be a good surprise, say sub .500 to playoffs or playoffs to sub .500 win/loss. Don't pick your own team, try to pick a different one. Give an explanation if you can, that shows your reasoning.
My 'good' surprise team - Detroit Lions. I feel like Detroit can be in contention for a wild card spot barring post-superbowl letdown by the Packers or continued Jay Cutler incidients with the Bears, in which case maybe they could win the NFC North. Stafford needs to prevent injuries whenever possible. The Lions had a really good draft and got a really nice DT duo in Nick Fairley and Ndamukong Suh, (as a Jaguars fan i appreciate good DT duos). I think they have enough playmakers on defense and offense to make a run.
My 'bad' surprise team - Chicago Bears. After getting all the way to the NFC Championship game against the Packers, the Bears imploded mainly because of Jay Cutler. I think the Cutler Era is going to keep going downhill. After the Draft the main players of note that the Bears got were Paea, a DT, and Carimbi, an OT. The passing game looks to be dependent on Cutler. Add a defense with some aging playmakers. It looks like a recipe capable of being a disaster especially with a very competitive division with the Super Bowl Winning Packers, the resurgent Lions, and rebuilding Vikings. Chicago looks to be in a battle for 3rd with the Vikings in the NFC North.
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Niners make the playoffs
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
People have been saying they'd go in for years now
hasn’t happened. Chances are even less with a college HC going pro.
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by DBroncs1414 on May 23, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Sooner or later it will happen
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Flip two coins
Eliminate two teams. Flip another coin. You have the winner of the nfc west. Do it several million times and you can pretend it means something. I don’t see Harbough as the head coach being an impediment to winning the division. Pete Carrol won it with the ’hawks and a losing record.
Ummm..my team, obviously
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The giants won 10 games its not a surprise if they make the playoffs
Kellen Moore is awesome
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I believe it was a joke
being that most people will pick their team
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by DBroncs1414 on May 23, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
yea but
[insert four, twelve line paragraphs explaining on how the Giants offensive line was 2nd in pass blocking]
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If the blocking was good why did you guys need a OT?
Isn’t that what you guys wanted?
Kellen Moore is awesome
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lol
well, for that reason is why I find the “2nd overall pass blocking line” or any argument like that to be stupid. Most of that was due to Eli Manning’s ability to avoid the pass rush, for better or worse (considering the 20+ picks, usually worse….). Doesn’t take away from the fact Dave Diehl sucks at LT
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I take it you don't like stats?
Prefer the eyeball test
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
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I like stats added to the eyeball test
but the sacks given up by a line don’t tell much of the story. I know Colts fans say the same thing about their line and as far as sacks given up they were better than the Giants line. Be hard pressed to find one of them that would say the Colts didn’t need some OL prospects.
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Should look at pressures
but the O-Line is hard to get stats for.
Kellen Moore is awesome
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Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Tampa Bay Buccanneers
Josh Freeman solidifies his breakout, DaQuan Bower’s knee is good to go, and people wonder why Raheem Morris wasn’t in charge earlier
Surprise bad team: Houston Texans – I don’t know if people will be that surprised but you can’t expect to get anywhere by constantly improving offense but not addressing defense. Adding JJ Watt was a good idea but switching to 3-4 is very bad – Mario Williams will probably regress due to it.
Y will Mario regress due to the 3-4?
"You're gonna notice me when I come in. I'm gonna make a statement without opening my mouth, and when I leave, you're gonna remember that."
because he's a perfect fit as a 4-3 RDE
and really doesn’t have a set place in the 3-4. They’ll try him at OLB but he’s gonna be a situational rusher for them because of the 3-4 and that really sucks, as he has the talent to be an everydown player.
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by DBroncs1414 on May 23, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
He is totally wasted in a 3-4. Shame too, he is a top talent at the DE position.
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by invisibulman on Jun 10, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I have heard the 3-4 they play is not your traditional 3-4. I believe they said Mario will be rushing probably 90-95% of the time and at times will also have his hand in the dirt, so they may do fine making the transition and probably can’t play any worse than they did at times last year. I think their front 7 will be much improved with adding Watt, Reed and getting Ryans back and they just need to figure out their secondary.
its not as much a 3-4
as it is a 5-2.
If you look at the statistics Demarcus Ware was targeted a total of 9 times last season.
Its not like Mario WIlliams will be dropping back often at all.
Plus he gets better match ups at the line like a TE or a RB rather than an OT all of the time.
It is a risky move, but Wade has a decent track record.
Ill give him the benefit of the doubt.
Also we didnt look to our offense very much at all in this draft.
I think our running game will get better next season.
Arian Foster wont go quite as crazy but Ben Tate will bring more as a RB2 than the glacier.
The three headed monster should mean more rest for foster and a better run game.
Offense should be around the same. Hopefully Dorian Dickerson can break out this year.
My only concern is the Oline and we picked up a late round developmental swing tackle who could provide some nice depth.
Next year I think our offense regresses just a little, but the marginal gain in Defense outweighs any loss resulting in a better overall team. Whether this finally means playoffs, Durga alone knowns.
Lions are becoming such a common pick
at this point it won’t be a surprise if they get in. So, I’ll go:
Surprise good: Cards, playoffs. Manraj won’t like this, but if they can get just a solid vet QB they can win the West. I like the Rams but Sam Bradford wasn’t as good as many think. He needs to take his game to the level, being that he has to throw a lot more intermediate to deep balls. If he can’t do that teams will jump all over the short stuff. It won’t be pretty, but I could see the Cards winning.
Surprise bad: Dolphins, top 3 pick. I think they’ll probably get that 1st pick. I think they really messed with Henne and Sparano too much this offseason for them to be productive. It seems like this whole team has a giant axe over their head. Couple that with the instability of the RB position, BMarsh’s likelihood of a meltdown, and an average at best D, and I see Sparano being canned halfway through the year and a really high pick, possibly Luck.
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Dolphins weren't great to start with but great surprise bad pick
it’s a damn shame, I had a lot of hope in Henne
yeah
I recently did the projected division standings and doing the AFC East I realized just how bad their season projects. No one’s really talking about it but that can easily be a train wreck
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by DBroncs1414 on May 23, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, the Cardinals aren't going anywhere unless they address their OL.
And since they refused to do that during the draft and have a notoriously cheap ownership, I can’t see it happening in FA either.
you are right
I don’t like it
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I like the Rams but Sam Bradford wasn’t as good as many think.
please tell me how?
If its just because of the short throws please retract that statement.
Bradford to Onobun!
I won't
I watched him beat the Broncos, his best statistical game, and I was far from impressed. I think he has great potential, but all I saw him do was dump it short and let the worst D in the league hurt itself. I saw other games where he stuck with the short stuff as well. There’s a lot of statistical evidence that he lacked throwing far, and in the NFL today you at least have to be a threat throwing it deep as a QB or you will struggle.
Bradford was impressive as a rookie, but I think he is far from “making it” McD may help him take the next step, but until he does I don’t think he was as good as many think
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Now your acting ignorant
If you had watch them games you would have seen that our WR lack the ability to get deep and catch the ball. Then you would realize that our top two WR went down early in the season one going down before the season even started. So stop ebaressing yourself and actually watch the games.
Get some impact players!!
thank you
Sam was FORCED to throw short because of no deep threat and because he’s a smart QB.
It was the gameplan.
Watch the pre season games with Avery or the pre Detroit games with Clayton and tell me Bradford can’t make every throw imaginable; with ease.
So how is he not as good as many think when the only knock on his game was the gameplan being employed combined with a severe lack of talent at WR spot #1 and #2?
Because to me, it looks like Sam Bradford had a phenomenal rookie year with barely any help from his WRs.
I ask you again to retract that statement because you just do not know.
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I did watch the games
sorry to insult your master, his excellency, Sam Bradford.
But you’ll admit though he didn’t throw deep well? He’ll get his WR’s back so we’ll see how he does… and jeez I’m embarrasing myself because I don’t have a hard on for Sam Bradford? Grow up!
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by DBroncs1414 on May 25, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well he threw it well when he did throw it
granted it wasn’t often but not an indictment of his talent or his ability to throw the deep ball.
You’re embarrassing yourself because you’re saying something without any merit besides watching one game where he ripped your team to shit and still saying because he didn’t throw deep he wasn’t good…
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If you wanna be a homer
go to Turf Show times, where you guys can go jerk off Bradford and his deep ball.
I did watch other games then the Broncos one, and do you really think you offended me by saying
“watching one game where he ripped your team to shit”My team had the last rank D and didn’t have their best pass rusher (well, only one at the time) I would hope he could “rip them to shit,” even though he did it with dump offs.
Fact is, he hasn’t proved he can do it at this level. If you wanna convince yourself he has go for it. I’m not ignorant, I’m bringing up a legit point that has been brought up before and has been proven by stats.
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It's not legit because you once again are being ignorant
And your name calling is once again bringing out your ignorance in the sense that you can’t hold a argument without it. Then you keep bringing up the deep ball but if you knew the game plan you would know that it consisted of dumpoffs and things of that short. it’s a way to bring in a rookie QB. The deep ball didn’t work because we had a lack of deep threats. All of our ones we’re either to inconsistent or get injured on a weekly basis but it’s no reason to argue with you because we’ll be contending and most likely win our division and ya on the other hand will be fighting to win a 5 games at most, good luck kid.
Get some impact players!!
I am on Turf Show Times and calling me a homer is a silly thing to say
I am a fan and my defending of Bradford vs your ignorance has nothing to do with being a homer. The same way I’d defend Josh Freeman if someone said he sucked, I’m defending a good player.
I didn’t mean to offend you, it’s just a fact. Funny thing is, is 2 of his touchdowns weren’t dumpoffs but perfectly thrown balls over the defense or extending the play in the redzone and throwing a strike, so I don’t see how you can even try and say what you are saying.
It doesn’t matter if your team had the last rank D and didn’t have your best pass rusher, fact is, is you got beat by misdirection and accurately thrown balls. If anything the Denver game was one of few games in which Sam actually threw it around because we could vs your D.
So, FACT IS, is you have yet to prove anything by saying your point is supported when stats when you CLEARLY do not know what you are talking about.
If you want an example of Sam’s ability to throw deep, watch the Seattle game, or highlights and see Sam drop 2 absolutely perfect balls over 30 yards downfield behiind the defense only to see them DROPPED. That was the story all season. WRs running deep routes were blanketed so he did what you’d WANT your QB to do and dump it off to get positive yardage instead of make a stupid mistake.
So please, I’m asking you to either bring up a legit point about how a conservative offense has anything to do with his talent or ability, or retract the statement because it has been PROVEN to be false.
Also, please, allow the name calling, how old are you?
Bradford to Onobun!
namecalling?
you mean homer? I wouldn’t really call that name calling but if you consider it that I apologize.
Sam Bradford completed 13 passes for 20 yards or more according to this website. Which put him in 28th place out of 31 QB’s. Now, his percentage was in the middle, but the lack of those deep balls makes me hesitant to say he was as impressive as many believe.
At no point did I say Bradford was bad, by no means for a rookie he was good. But for the Rams to win the West he needs to stretch the field more, or at least be a threat to. As of now he hasn’t shown either and the stats show it. If you took my point in anyother way sorry for the misunderstanding. He’s good, and I think he will improve, but before I can say the Rams can win the West he’s gotta show that on the field
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sorry but these stats don't match film of him...
i find it very difficult to believe he has any issues with throwing the deep ball from a skill stand point…i do find that i see that the offence as a whole could not based on personel. ….
If you had to assess a rookie qb you have to start with decision making and “does he show flashes” and Sam Bradford did that. so it is very difficult to simply look at a stat and trying to frame that as stat and then sound like a private investigator that just solved a murder lol….stats don’t reflect the entire story..and anyone who has watched ANY sport knows that much.
+1
DBroncs name calling was probably the wrong word, so apologies for that, I was more referring to the thing about ‘jacking off over Bradford’.
The only thing that matters is %. That that is in the middle is testament to his ability to do that.
The lack of attempts as previously stated has everything to do with the style of offense and conservative approach to it (ball control WCO) and the lack of talent.
As I said, see the drops from the Seattle game in Week 17 and tell me Sam can’t throw deep in the NFL. He also made some real nice throws downfield to Danario Alexander vs the Chargers and the Broncos and at home to San Fran (I think).
That to me is enough to say that he was more than an impressive, he was downright incredible. You’ve gotta judge it from a poise, intelligence and leadership stance aswell. The team is his. He seldom looked flustered and took care of the ball very well (2 INTs in week 1 which were from a hail mary and a 4th down play while avoiding a sack with no one open and a great play by Adrian Wilson – he also had the longest rookie stretch of not throwing an INT in league history)
The run game didn’t ease pressure on him, he was one of the most blitzed Qbs in the league, showed poise and made some great throws, also in 1st half of the season excelled on 3rd down which is a massive issue for rookie QBs as well as making some great plays in the redzone (though it bogged down as defenses adjusted and our OC and talent didn’t allow us to diversify).
I think he’s shown it on the field enough to not have to prove anything next season.
Next season though he’s learning a new offense (more complex), with no off season and he’s acting as a coach right now as well as hotellier. The dude has it all and especially considering the competition in the NFC West to downgrade the Rams chances of winnning due to Sam and especially only one small statistic well out of his control really makes no sense.
Hopefully you understand now. If the Rams don’t win the NFC West blame it on the a-a-a-a-a-alcohol… or the schedule (last 4 Superbowl champs), loss of Atogwe, aging of Fred Robbins and James Hall and any injuries that may happen.
Bradford to Onobun!
For the %.
He’s within 2% from his spot all the way down to 22nd, which is so-so. Plus, when you look at the QB’s below him, besides Manning (and don’t say that because his % was higher then Manning it means anything, Manning had a tough year with no protection) the rest of the people are uninspiring. I wouldn’t call it what you would just yet.
And sorry for the j-ing off comment if it offended you.
I have nothing against Bradford and if you look throughout this entire thread I don’t say he sucks, I say I don’t believe he is as good as others do. I think he is pretty good right now, I think he can be that good, but till he shows it I can’t buy into it. Arm strength was a concern before he was drafted, and IMO he didn’t prove that wrong just yet. In this league if you can’t challenge the D deep you will struggle, and Bradford hasn’t shown he can do that.
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didn't offend me, just felt it was unnecessary
appreciate the courtesy.
Interesting thing about the deep ball: VY is ranked #1. That shows that there really isn’t that much value in the deep ball. it’s a wrinkle, not really something an offense is based on.
With regards to throw power, again, if you see him drive the ball it gets to where it needs to in a flash. Even I was surprised when I saw him stride up in the pocket and strike it into a tiny gap in the middle of the field. Vs the Raiders with Clayton’s TD grab you’ll also see Sam can throw that intermediate throw with some purpose.
He definitely doesn’t have a Stafford or Cutler type arm, but its not measly or anything to be concerned about either.
His deep throws are showcased in this highlight vid and the accuracy of them is excellent. Also, please check TST the article about Danario Alexander to see the dropped bomb.
You really can’t say that his not throwing the deep ball often has meant teams won’t respect his ABILITY to.
Thats all I’m trying to prove to you and I hope you see that there is nothing to indicate that Sam will struggle with regards to HIS ability.
As I said above, team struggles or offensive playbook struggles will hinder his progression. There is nothing about Sam’s deep ball or arm strength that can be said as a knock on the Rams prospects next season.
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VY's sample size is small
too small. The thing about the deep ball is its not all about arm strength. I just didn’t see an efficient one when I saw Bradford play.
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did you not see the highlight vid?
check 3:20 out for deep accuracy and arm strength
1:32 for some zippy arm strength
1:42 for more of the same
1:50 for excellent back shoulder placement on a deep throw.
Theres more but thats just 4 examples from one highlight vid.
There is enough evidence out there to show that he can and it’s not a strong enough point to say
I just didn’t see an efficient one when I saw Bradford play.
when that is only down to not seeing, not it not happening. Ya dig?
Bradford to Onobun!
I have to see it work
ON THE FIELD. I think he has the ability to do it, it’s just a matter of he’s got to do it. He hasn’t yet, that is all I’m saying,
Ya dig?
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I was more impressed with Clayton than Bradford on that play.
That was an amazing catch
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yeah for sure
nice throw, but it’s all about the catch. I just remembered seeing that lazer into Clayton’s catch radius and thinking to myself, “Sam’s got a stronger arm than I or anyone else gave him credit for”
(that was the more reasoned and sensible reaction anyway. at the time it was like “FUCK YEAH TOUCHDOWN BABY WHAT A FUCKIN CATCH BY CLAYTON WHAT A BEAST AND SAM CAN FUCKIN FLING IT WITH THE BEST OF EM WHAT A FUCKIN ROCKET ARMED ACCURATE STUD AND WHAT A FUCKIN STEAL CLAYTON WAS WOOOO GO RAMS!”)
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Was too amazed with the catch to worry about the pass
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I've watched games
just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I haven’t. Again, I like Bradford, think he can improve, but this is starting to get annoying. My point was he hasn’t showed he throws an effective deep ball, which is why I don’t believe he’s as good as everyone thinks he is YET. I still think he’s good, but to really be the QB he can he’s gotta prove he can effectively throw the deep ball.
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For the sake of not repeating ourselves
see the examples given, understand the reasons as to WHY he didn’t throw deep much and understand that he has shown he throws an effective deep ball.
All you need to do is retract THAT statement because it is completely and utterly wrong.
Other things can be said as a knock, but not anything with regards to the system he played in last year or any level of his accuracy.
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I've provided my opinion and some stats to back me up
Let’s just leave it as agree to disagree, I don’t have to retract that statement, its a valid argument
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I appreciate you entertaining me so
but unfortunately, agreeing to disagree seems like a valid suggestion and also that quite simply you’re wrong lol
It really isn’t a valid argument (if you ask anyone else) and isn’t enough to say Sam wasn’t as good as people say he was. You need more than a single set of stats to make such a broad and inaccurate statement look legit.
You don’t have to retract the statement, but it’d look better if you did, coz then you’d be entirely right ;)
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It won't stop will it lol
how many other stats help prove my deep ball theory? Let me go over my opinion of Bradford, one more time:
1. He’s a good QB
2. Not there yet, needs to improve deep ball
3. Didn’t throw deep ball well, no 16 game starter hit fewer then he did
4. Not that he CAN’T throw it, its just that he hasn’t yet.
5. To take the next step in his progression he needs to.
Does this comprende with you? I fail to see how its not fair.
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I'll agree with
1. Yes, yes he is.
2. I’d agree, he needs to improve on his accuracy on every level, not just specifically the deep ball
3. When he did throw it, he did, he was also one of a handful of 16 game starters.
4. I’ve given you video showing some of the few instances when he has?
5. Yes, in order to be that elite QB he can be, he needs to.
I really don’t think we’ll ever agree lol I’ve given you some actual video and its there for you to take it or leave it lol
I don’t doubt you regard him highly but all I’m saying is to knock him on THAT specific element of his game is just not enough imo, there is so much more that could be said but thats just a cop out excuse imo.
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The worst thing about Sam is he is getting Alex'd
changing of OC every year. I have a feeling that after this year McD will leave and Sam will have 3 OCs in 3 years.
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I have that fear too
Hopefully We groom a successor underneath McD, even if it isn’t the QB coach (as McD is assuming that role too sigh)
I do think that Sam has a lot more talent than Alex Smith though, and HOPEFULLY he can deal with it. Its definitely worrying but for the sake of my sanity I’m hoping to keep it out of mind lol.
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He does
Although Smith showed a lot of flashes of talent the inconsistencies were too hard to overcome. Bradford is more talented but the constant changing is going to hurt his progress.
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I agree
Hopefully McD stays around no matter how much I hate his guts lol
Personally, and I’m sure its been overstated, but Smith’s size (he’s quite lean) and small hands (affecting throw power) have not helped him in his career, what with the injuries and the tame throws he sometimes makes. Sam doesn’t have that same issue and could be the one way he comes out of what may be a sticky situation without being labelled a bust.
I just don’t know how Smith went #1 Overall though?
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Kaep has smaller hands and throws faster than most QBs in this draft.
But I don’t know either but oh well we will be done with him after this year. I’m hoping McD leaves after this year though. He either gets offered a HC position or he gets fired.
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lol you're only hoping because stability for Bradford equals doom for the niners lol
you’re not playing fair. BOOOO.
I’m intrigued by Kaepernick, not entirely sold and don’t see elite potential from him, but he can be dangerous = his athleticism.
Also who he’s coached by is important, and thats why he has a better shot than Smith.
The small hands thing is overstated but if I were drafting a QB I wouldnt risk it.
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I don't know how you can say he doesn't have elite potential
he is smart
he is athletic
he has a stronger arm than most QBs in the league (during the Manning camp they were all over him for his strong arm)
Utilized correctly he will be an elite QB.
Geep Chryst is the QB coach but Harbaugh loves his QBs so I think both of them will coach him.
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To be brutally honest, with regards to the elite potential, its just a gut feeling. Also relates to the small bit of tape I’ve seen on him and accuracy inconsistency.
Hes an all talent guy that just doesn’t look like he can fulfill his potential.
He’s definitely in a great spot to do so though.
Time will tell for sure.
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Hopefully he starts this year
He is a really nice guy.
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Yeah
for a 9er he seems like someone you don’t hate the guts of.
Gotta give him credit for entering a class of like 3 lol (P Willy, VD and Manny Lawson – only Manny because I want him to be a Ram lol)
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Intruiging bad surprise pick
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
Good Surprise: Cleveland Browns will finish within a game of .500.
Bad Surprise: The Raiders will go 0-16 and the Patriots will have the #33 pick again.
Bad Surprise: Kansas City Chiefs will regress back to within a game of .500.
The Browns?
really?
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by DBroncs1414 on May 23, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the Browns make the playoffs too
I think Gregg Little has a Mike Williams/Arrelious Benn type impact there and that offense shows some explosiveness.
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Being a Ravens fan and seeing the Browns a lot I think they are moving in the right direction, but aren’t quite there yet. They were a lot better than given credit for last year and keep adding pieces, but the wild card is tough in the AFC. They will have to win minimum 10 games maybe even more and IMO the teams they will have to beat out is us, the Steelers, Jets, or Pats. I don’t think they are quite on that level yet, but if Colt keeps progressing then maybe in the next year or two they can contend.
Browns will be good, but they ain’t making the playoffs. You think they are going to beat out either Baltimore or Pittsburgh? Not gonna happen.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I wouldn't be inclined to listen to a Ravens fan on this
but yes, I think they will make it over either of those teams. Both teams can’t be a model of health every year, they usually have a down year every now and then for whatever reason.
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I think even not at full health that both teams are still better and the Browns have too many question marks this season. They have to see if Colt keeps progressing and how will he perform once teams are preparing for him all year? They have a new head coach and D coordinator while they are transitioning from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and are looking at a shortened off-season. Hillis looked like he ran out of a gas towards the end of the year and you have to see if he can keep the production he played with throughout the first 3/4 of the year. Those are all serious question marks and I just don’t think they can expect all of them to pan out according to plan. I think they will be competitive this year, but are still another solid draft or two away.
We missed Reed for 6 weeks last year, our LT Jared Gaither all of last year, and our #1 CB Foxworth all of last year. Add on top of that Heap and McClain missing games, we were far from healthy last season.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
talent and teams being better has nothing to do with it
I just think they’re due for a down year. All teams have it
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by Rorschach44 on May 23, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not really a logical reason though that we are randomly due for a bad year even when we have been to the playoffs three years in a row and got better so far this off-season.
All teams have it man, we are bound for 7-9.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
there's no logical reason for thinking you'll be the same, better or worse
all of it is refutable, and I stand by it especially since you’re a Ravens fan who’ll tell me nothing other than the Ravens make the playoffs.
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How is it not logical to think we will have a good year when we were a 12 win team who has basically all the same players and some additional players added? It’s very logical to think we will still be as good or better. I just don’t think it sounds logical to say that a team who has been to the playoffs the last three years and won at least one game, who still has all their core pieces still suddenly just drops off. Then a team who has struggled for quite some time all of a suddenly just leap frogs us when they have a new coach, D-coordinator,defensive scheme, Colts first true year at starting and a shortened off-season. There’s no reasoning you have given behind the argument other than we are due for a losing season.
I'm done with this
but you’ve changed nothing. Browns make the playoffs.
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The Browns will have a down year? That is what AV was discussing in his comment.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
how can the Browns have a down year?
they’ve stunk over the years.
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Well your response to AV’s comment about the Browns was this
talent and teams being better has nothing to do with it
I just think they’re due for a down year. All teams have it
You are probably talking about Baltimore, but it seemed like the Browns.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Baltimore wasn’t a model of health last season and we still went 12-4.
So you are saying they are going to win the AFC North next year? Bold prediction there bud.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Baltimore still had pretty much their key guys on the field
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by Rorschach44 on May 23, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
And now we get all those guys back to go with our key guys while also bringing in two of the best playmaking rookies in this draft. I will be very, very surprised if we only win 10 games.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I would love for you to go through our schedule and name me the 7 losses. That is laughable man. I want to hear reasoning for saying we do that bad other than “every team is bound to have a down year.” That is BS.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/schedule?team=BAL
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
you can't go through a schedule and do that
its impossible. Especially now, you have no idea who will be good or not.
And since you’re a Ravens fan, you’ll just be talking about penciling them in for the Super Bowl…again.
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That thanksgiving game
Don’t even show up just circle it as a loss.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
Haha, Alex Smith or Kapernick will hand that game over to us. Feel bad for little Jimmy.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Its towards the end
Alex turns his play around during that time. So we get hope that he can be good sign him for another year then he flops again.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
I get the feeling that Lil Harbs is not going to be starting Alex Smith come week 1.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I really hope that the two Harbaugh make it to the superbowl
can you imagine all of the puns we can do with it? Like The Superbaugh
As for Smith ya I can see Kaep winning the competition. Kaep is a smart guy and picking up the plays shouldn’t be too dificult
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
The Superbaugh!!!!! I love it.
I am rooting for Jim, because of what John was able to do here. They are both no nonsense guys who have rich football backgrounds. Jim was the QB for Baltimore in the late 90’s, so I always have respect for him. Your franchise is a cool one as well, and you have my fellow Terp Vernon over there in the Bay.
I see Kaepernick as a smaller Josh Freeman. Very good throwing motion and also mobile enough to extend the plays. He just needs to put some weight on his frame.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
He is 6'5'' 233
he isn’t that small. He looks really skinny though.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
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Just went through the Giants schedule, I say 6-10. Every team is bound to have another year of missing the playoffs because of diving QB’s and blowing 21 point leads with 8 minutes left.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Funny, when I was just reading this comment, I was watching the NFL replay of Giants Eagles and saw Eli diving and fumbling. Very ironic.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
with the ravens and steelers in that division?
…i dont think so
by TheForceOfFollett on Jun 6, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed and even though I hate defending the Steelers I believe their waterboy at one time had to play on their O line and they had a banged up troy and a couple other injuries and also went 12-4. I just think those are fairly high expectations for the Browns to all of a suddenly turn into a 12-13 win team which is what they will probably need to win the division this year.
I'm a Lions fan and I don't think they'll make the playoffs
I think they’ll finish 8-8/9-7. They’re going to need 1 more draft to get the dynasty foundation in place. They should stay out of the Nnamdi sweepstakes, too. Spend that FA money for him on resigning Chris Houston and 2 very good FA LBers, maybe a 2nd tier CB.
Hopefully Stafford can get back to form. I agree that the Lions are becoming a somewhat dangerous team, but how can people truly believe this when we haven’t even really seen what Stafford is able to do? I really hope he does get healthy though, because that offense has 1999 Rams potential with all those players.
Don’t know too much about your OL, but I have heard Lions fans say it is better than people think.
Your defense is the wildcard here, because they have a chance to be very, very dominant. Nick Fairley is the closest thing to a disruptive force since Warren Sapp in my opinion. Fairley is born to play 4-3 DT and pairing that with Suh who can play everywhere, man that is going to suck for Rodgers, Cutler and Ponder for a very long time. Cory Williams is also a good player.
DeAndre Levy is one of the rising stars at LB in this league. I also think your secondary is better than people think. Two highly coveted Safeties in Delmas and Spievy and Houston and Vasher at CB sort of reminds me of what Baltimore had at CB last year with Wilson and Carr, two very solid #2 CB who can benefit from a strong pass rush which you guys certainly will have.
I will be surprised if Detroit only gets 6 wins this year, I have them going 9-7 and giving many teams headaches.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
If Nick Fairley is the closest thing to a
disruptive force since Warren Sapp, then what does that make Suh?
The next WNBA game I watch will be the first WNBA game I watch.
A Greek God.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
by Mr MaLoR on May 24, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Depends what's good enough for a wildcard.
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by insertscreenname on May 23, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
born and raised in detroit
but i agree with you. Unless they can get some solid additions in FA i don’t see it happening. They need a starting caliber CB, resign Chris Houston, a starting caliber OLB (preferably 2 but I’ll stick with 1 for now), and i still think Peterman needs to be replaced at right guard. You do those things and Stafford and Best are healthy, well I think they’re definitely in. But thats a lot of ifs..
by TheForceOfFollett on Jun 6, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry bro
but really?
The passing game looks to be dependent on Cutler.
Please name a passing game that isn’t dependent on a QB, especially one that they gave so many picks for and invested so much money in.
I agree, the Bears won’t be as good this year, mainly because Detroit will improve, but Cutler is not the issue with that team and he isn’t a player that will hold that team back.
Bradford to Onobun!
While I somewhat disagree about Cutler not being an issue,
the fact that he doesn’t have good WRs and might still not have much protection sort of multiplies the problem.
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Well
Cutler is an issue. It might seem overexaggerated but Cutler did have a meltdown. People will have short memories if he plays better but as soon as there’s doubt, that playoff game will come back into their minds. The passing game is dependent on Cutler’s resiliency mentally instead of his physical attributes. Something that will affect the passing game is how Cutler responds to the criticism especially in a year that looks to be tough.
As for
“and he isn’t a player that will hold that team back.”
The quarterback has the biggest impact player a team can have. When your QB is off, it makes the WRs and TE’s less involved. Leading to a bigger lean and emphasis on your run game (See my 2010 Jaguars). So yes Cutler is a player who can hold the team back.
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Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
The media made that issue
he had an injury and the coaches pulled him out of the game. Its a nothing story.
It is true that he has yet to prove himself in the clutch, but he’s played on bad teams so far in his career. I agree people will need to see him this year to dispel any doubts, but what I meant was that Cutler was doing a very good job behind the worst line in the league and with some of the least reliable WRs on a bad surface (first year in Martz system too? correct me if wrong)
Obviously with regards to the quote and your response that is true, but he is a talented player who ability wise does not stop Chicago from doing anything, like say Rex Grossman or John Beck would do for Washington should they start.
Cutler CAN hold the team back, the same way a sputtering RB can etc. The main point is, is that he won’t stop them from attempting certain plays or looks, he’s just too talented to be an issue on that team.
Hope that clears up what I meant.
Bradford to Onobun!
I get what you mean
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Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
by TheTealDeal on May 25, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's a stretch to say the Rams could make the playoffs
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on May 23, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions
I think the break out team is the Rams
might be a homer but adding the weapons we did in the drafft should put us over the top. Kendricks Pettis and Salas should contribute almost immediatly if not right away. Gives Sam some reliable weapons which we didn’t have last year and should go 9-7 or 10-6 in my opinion and make the Playoffs.
Get some impact players!!
Less than 3 wins for the Seahawks
Less than 5 wins for the Redskins
Less than 8 wins for the Cowboys
Less than 4 wins for the Bengals
Less than 10 wins for the Falcons
Less than 9 wins for the Jets
More than 8 wins for the Lions
More than 8 wins for the Rams
More than 9 wins for the Bucs
More than 12 wins for the Eagles
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by birds'n'raiders on May 23, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
More than 12 wins for the Eagles
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA!!!
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by Rorschach44 on May 23, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
wh
Less than 4 wins for the Bengals
we play the nfc west this year and the browns are still technically rebuilding too as well as transitioning defenses. no way we eek out less than four wins against those teams.
We also have a transitioning Houston
and Tennessee as well as Denver (I’d mention Buffalo but Buffalo always seems to have Lewis’ number). There is no way we’ll lose 12+ games.
For Bronco fans
we are saying that at least we play you the way you say your playing us. It will be interesting to see this toilet bowl
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Eh.
I don’t see the Broncos as a threat. You can probably understand why I don’t see the Broncos as a threat. You don’t see us as a threat. I can understand why you don’t see us as a threat. We know our respective teams better and we’re not gonna falter on that.
by Doc Scratch on May 24, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
to butt in...
but really it’ll be a game decided on which WRs can make their respective sucky QBs look better.
Defenses may run wild in that game because I’m not expecting ANYTHING from the QBs lol
Bradford to Onobun!
Are you serious?
Dalton sucks, what can you possibly base this on? And above you and your butt-buddy Rams fan were attacking me for being ignorant because I said Bradford didn’t throw deep or intermediate well (a legitimate argument) and all you can say is Tebow sucks? You also told me I had to watch the games to speak on him (which I did) and now your speaking on Tebow after 3 starts, (none of which I doubt you watched other then sportscenter’s hgihlights) where the team performed at their best in each game? And also Orton’s not out of Denver yet, so although I’d prefer him not to pay for us in light of Tebow, I fail to call him “sucky”
As you told me for speaking out on Bradford, I’ll say to you: your ignorant, shut up and actually watch him play. I’ll say the same for Dalton as well
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by DBroncs1414 on May 25, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, how will Dalton suck?
lets just go from the old adage that he’s a rookie, so you can’t expect him to play well. He also hasn’t got an off season to prepare, which is crucial, and his talent level is limited in comparison to other QBs that start in the NFL, in honesty, he doesn’t suck until he proves he does, but it’s a fair prediction to say he will. Kudos to him if he proves me wrong.
Secondly, calm down.
Thirdly, Tebow sucks because he hasn’t had over 50% CP and in the throws that were completed he reverted to his long wind up throwing motion and benefitted from guys like Brandon Lloyd making highlight grabs, busting their asses unnecessarily to bring in his off target throws. Oh and btw, one of those 50% cp games was vs the Texans, yes, the same Texans who got passed all over by anyone.
I’d agree Orton isn’t sucky, he’s entirely mediocre, which is a massive plus for you Broncos.
Now tell me where I’m entirely wrong like you were?
Bradford to Onobun!
Tebow threw exactly 50% against the Raiders
for his first start, I was thoroughly impressed. His second game he threw over 53% but that doesn’t count. The only game he threw for under 50% was the Chargers, who had the number 1 D in the league, sorry he didn’t tear them apart in his 3rd career start. O, and he also ran for a TD in each of his starts. You want stats? How about the second most important: points (behind wins of course)? In each of his starts, his team scored over 20 points, a vast improvement over Orton led Broncos.
Fact is, there is not enough to say he flat out sucks. There is such a small sample that to say so would be ignorant. He showed potential in 3 games, but to say he’ll suck is dumb, and also to say he’ll definitely be a beast is dumb. He’s in the air right now, you can’t just say he sucks.
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If 50% CP for you first start is meant to be impressive
you must have low expectations. Thats bottom barrel and not acceptable at this level. Honest question, did you agree with the picking of Tebow and do you expect him to be a franchise QB?
I’ll give Tebow credit where it’s due, in that he looks FASTER in the NFL than in college, which is impressive, but in the NFL a QBs job is to throw the ball and he hasn’t demonstrated a consistent ability to make routine NFL throws. That to me = sucks.
Sorry, but I expect from a rookie QB to show the ability to complete routine passes and be dependable in certain situations and any gametape of Tebow I’ve watched I haven’t seen that. He’s too erratic and still has too much to prove, maybe unfortunately for him he was picked too high, but regardless, he is not a ‘QB’ that anyone should even consider building around.
I’d agree, right now, there isn’t enough to say he flat out sucks for good (he did suck in his 3 starts), but he showed in those games there isn’t ANYTHING to get excited about and that his ceiling is an average QB with good running skills. That to me in terms of long term projection (never accurate in all honesty) equals being sucky.
Ya dig?
Bradford to Onobun!
I would disagree but I'll leave it
He had a very inconsistent, young, and weak OL with no running game (I believe he led the team in rushing each game he started). I don’t think it was that he couldn’t make routine throws or he was erratic or what not, it was that he didn’t have much to work with. Yes, the WR’s were awesome last year, but there wasn’t much else going for him to help him there. Even a solid QB like Orton struggled palying with this team, check out the stats of his last 2 starts, pathetic and made Tebow look like a god.
I think with McCoy being ready to be the OC (he was promoted to an OC who actually called plays once McD was fired) will also help a lot. Tebow had a guy calling his 2nd-5th games with him, it was a tall order for both but I thought both did well.
I don’t dig, but at least you can admit its not set in stone. Tebow has a lot to prove but really looking at his film, the lack of any talent around him, how he was not expected to play before his 2nd year in the pros, pretty much all that was going against him, I thought he did well. He’s been working on being a more traditional pocket passer, which I can easily see him improve on. He has the accuracy but the timing wasn’t there and if he gets a shot to play with the 1st team O (which he didn’t until the week before he started, Orton got all the first team reps that preseason/season) his accuracy will improve
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Denvers running problems definitely didn’t help, but that team was made to throw the ball and with those WRs you’d expect better numbers in terms of CP than you got from him.
The playcalling seemed to improve under McCoy and the system being run in Denver at the time was very QB friendly, again raising questions with regards to how he wasn’t accurate.
I think this is the season where you see if Tebow will be that average QB with running skills you all hope him to be, or that inconsistent, media hungry college QB/NFL FB I think he will be.
As you said, it’s unfair to judge right now and the timing thing is most certainly a contributing factor to the low CP, so he gets a pass in my books. but this time next year if he’s still at 50 CP and still missing easy throws and leading WRs into safeties with inaccurate throws and Denver is still a bottom feeder, you’ll hear from me lol
What doesn’t bode well for him is Orton is pencilled in as a starter and may detract from 1st team reps when the season starts.
Bradford to Onobun!
Orton is the starter for now
but unlike last year, its open competition. Last year Orton had the job before TC, and took almost all the 1st team reps. Now Tebow will be allowed to show what he can do. I don’t think its set in stone he wins the job but if he does and still struggles with accuracy the timing won’t be an excuse, I’ll give you that.
Your being very kind to this offense. There were no TE’s who could catch, the OL strugged with protection a lot (injuries and youth factored into this). Besides the WR’s, they had nothing going for them.
Looking at the passing game, Orton did amazingly well for the most part, but as injuries and a bad locker room began mounting as the season went on, Orton crumbled. Many people forget to mention this but that is why many in Denver don’t want Orton, when this team needed him he cracked like Shane Falco in the Sugar Bowl.
To quantify it: He threw a horrific 32% CP vs. KC in a game where the D held KC to 10, and if Orton could’ve scored one TD they would’ve easily won. This was also the team he managed to shred earlier in the year.
In his final game, against AZ, a team just as bad as we were, Orton threw 46% CP and 3 picks, which resulted in being blown out.
Step in Tebow and although it wasn’t as amazing as you would like, it was better then Orton. I bring this up because this team was a train wreck talent wise, chemistry wise, and mentally. Orton couldn’t play at all, and Tebow comes in and does pretty respectable as a rookie. Sure, the CP isn’t there, and that is something that can be improved. But Tebow instantly made this team better then it ever was, although it didn’t look as good if you were a Fantasy football owner.
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I personally think Tim will ‘win’ the job purely because of the money invested in him. Orton doesn’t have a mega deal does he?
Also, they’ve seen what they can get from Orton, and that’s big numbers in bogey time and nothing in crunch time, so test driving Tim is enough of a reason to give him the start. They need to see what he’s got and give HIM the best chance to succeed. being a 1st round pick gives him that, whether it’s deserved or not.
I’ll need to watch more Denver stuff to really comment, but in terms of talent on offense, I don’t think it’s unfair to say it’s QB friendly, whether they were healthy or not is something I simply can’t remember. It definitely wasn’t that Cutler/Marshall/Scheffler offense though. Boy was that fun to watch!
Those Orton numbers are damn ugly. As you say, he crumbled when the team needed him and that really isn’t acceptable. he shouldn’t be pencilled in as the starter. When your QB stinks it up like that you can’t win in the NFL.
I think what you say about Tebow is accurate, in that in comparison to Orton’s 2 games he looked good, but this is where the media and low expectations can bite people in the butt. Tebow is that guy everyone calls a winner to make up for his inability to fit the requirements of the NFL (same way VY fans, sometimes myself included, use it as a means of defending his inability to grasp an NFL offense).
To say he made them better than it ever was is probably hyperbole on your part, and won’t go into too much detail in it, but the 1st half of McD’s first season and that great record and great numbers by Orton definitely look better than Tebow’s stats and performances lol
So, while I understand what you are saying, I still think opinion is skewed mainly due to the ridiculously low measuring stick. He ONLY looked good because Orton and the team were such a wreck, and maybe because the media love him ridiculous amounts too (but thats another story lol).
He has it all to prove next year, and while there is extenuating circumstances for his poor play this year (when looked at without the low expectations) there shouldn’t be any next year and that is when we can conclusively pass judgement on whether Tim sucks or not.
Right now, I’m of the opinion that he will suck next year, but open to him proving me wrong. is that fair?
Bradford to Onobun!
Orton doesn't have a mega deal
but they gave him a small extension last year, so I would guess he’s making as much as Tebow if not more. I agree with your analysis on the QB situation, but who knows if that’s what the FO is really thinking.
As for QB friendly, yes the WR’s definitly were, but beyond that not so much. I believe to have a QB friendly O you need good protection and diverse weapons. They really didnt have an effective underneath guy. Back to the protection though, it was pretty bad, I remember specifically in the Texans game Tebow had to break a couple tackles from the pocket just to throw it away. Because of this, I can’t call it as QB friendly.
Orton’s stats in his first year weren’t “great.” They were good, maybe OK. His first year here was just staring down BMarsh and throwing it to him no matter what. I don’t care what the stats looked like Orton was far from effective. Orton’s stats began piling up in year 2, but that only happened in garbage time as you alluded to, throw those out cuz in they mean shit.
The media loves Tebow… are you nuts? All experts ripped him since he was drafted, and some still do. I don’t buy the media love. You keep saying his stats are god awful atrocious. Besides the CP %, they were actually pretty impressive. Let’s do a comparison for rookies first 3 starts, shall we?:
Bradford: CP%: 58. TD/INT: 4:5. YPG: 218. PPG: 19
McCoy: CP%: 67. TD/INT: 1:2. YPG: 176. PPG: 24 (included it even though he only scored 2x in this span)
Tebow: CP%: 50. TD/INT: 4:3 YPG: 217. PPG: 25.
You say his last 3 starts were a failure. Sure, the CP % was far from good, but in everyother stat I have here he surpasses both rookie QB’s who “outplayed him” (Bradford did, can’t say McCoy did though). And the best part is this doesn’t include his running totals, which were quite large.
Therefore, I would like to propose he didn’t suck besides his completion percentage, and the “expectations were low” is bull crap. His were much higher then Bradford and McCoy’s combined. You keep laughing at his stats but for his first 3 starts, and comparing them to the other QB’s, is it really all as bad as you say. All you have pointed to is the CP . He’s lacked there but he more then made up for it in other categories. And that CP as I’ve said will likely go up if he can get work with the 1st team O.
And for your last paragraph, I couldn’t ask for anything more. Make sure your very open to be proven wrong though, the kid hasn’t done anything but that
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I agree
if the protection was that awful, then it makes it a tough place for any QB.
I definitely need to watch some tape again, but for now I’ll take your word.
Was Knowshon hurt those games btw? he is a good player in the passing game.
haha, the luxuries afforded when you have a talent like BMarsh to stare down. As has been said we most certainly agree with regards to Orton. Simply couldn’t slice it when it was crunch time – inflated stats when the game was already lost.
With regards to media love, I think the experts and analysists were being fair. Tebow just doesn’t have what you look for in terms of an NFL QB, be it mechanics or system. The media softened the blow of the truth by saying he’s a winner, the hardest working, most humble and god loving man to ever walk the face of the earth. He’s also been called the greatest college player of all time, which is BS too. I think that if you watch any ESPN segment on him, you will see a crazy adoration, especially from his college days. Even for Madden 12 some screens of him have been posted, but not even Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. The list goes on, but in terms of media attention and respect, he gets wayyy tooo much. The analysts were simply doing their job and despite the fundamental flaws in regards to his NFL compatibility they still praised him.
ok, first thing. 3 of those INTs shouldn’t count for Sam. 1st was on 4th and long down down by 4 (I think) no WRs were open and he was getting sacked. Adrian Wilson made a great play on that ball too. The 2nd (also vs AZ and still down 4) was a Hail Mary.
The 3rd was vs the raiders and stanford routt I believe(?) but that was a well thrown ball to the back shoulder but the WR Laurent Robinson just gave up on it and did an awful job. He was quite well covered but a good WR would bring in a throw like that, or at least no let it get INTed.
I would agree McCoy didn’t, although it must be said the small bits of footage of McCoy I saw he was making smart decisions, and was quite accurate, surprisingly so. Also had a degree of poise.
As yo said Bradford did. Also, with regards, Sam’s 1st 3 games were the 1st 3 games of the season, which means the offense didn’t have the same chemistry, but thats a small point to make.
The PPG stat is kinda a tough one because the Rams were so anaemic offensively and so conservative that we aimed for 17 points because we could hold other offenses to 10 smh.
The CP is laughable, but I won’t laugh at the stats in general any more. You’ve shown me enough, ALTHOUGH. The issues with accuracy go beyond CP. As I said before some completed throws were awful and the WRs bailed him out. I also saw him leading guys into some dangerous territory and he didn’t really look comfortable in the pocket (poor protection may be to blame) but he always looked ready to buss out.
Also, some of his interceptions were just straight poor play. They can get ironed out with time, but right now they were typical rookie mistakes he can’t afford to make outside of his rookie season.
I’m always open to be proven wrong, but so far Tim has never failed me ;)
You’ve done a great job though of showing that Tebow was at least a positive player when he started at the end of last season. I really thought it was all media hype about the renewed hope lol
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Knowhson I can't recall now
I believe he wasn’t but if you look at the stats he got less then 10 carries each game so I think he was hurt a little and they wanted to baby him.
And lets not make excuses. I can make some for Tebow and this will just become a pissing contest.
You keep saying the WR’s kept bailing him out but besides the Lloyd TD in Oakland, I think most catches were pretty good balls by Tebow.
As for the media I’m going to have to disagree. I think he’s gotten a lot of media attention, but most of it has been negative.
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by DBroncs1414 on May 26, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
i thiink knowshon will be used
as an example for not drafting rbs before the 20th selection unless its AP lol
no of course theres no need for excuses but context is valuable, they were still turnovers after all.
very little YAC because the ball was off target, also seemed intent on drilling a throw to prove a point about his arm strength. unnecessary really.
you’ll be hard pressed to hear anything bad now. it was a draft season special and they still painted him positively. never seen a 3rd round ‘QB’ get so much coverage.
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Yeh, I agree, I don't expect a lot out of Dalton.
(Time to piss Ravens fans off) I expect about the same level of production that Flacco gets, maybe a little less. Flacco is very much a beneficiary of a team that puts a number of pieces around him. I think Dalton has that now. That Bengals team isn’t nearly as talent-devoid as a 4-12 team suggests. The defense struggled for most of the year but once it figured things out, it was solid at the very least, and that will definitely help Dalton out over the years. I don’t see Dalton’s ceiling being the same as Flacco’s ceiling but I expect that Dalton’s an overachiever.
Problem is, it often takes an elite QB or an elite defense to win super bowls. I don’t know if the Bengals have either. Dalton can probably pan out to “good”, as can our defense. I don’t think either can make the jump. That bothers me.
I'd agree
Flacco just does not have what it takes to ascend to the upper echelons of the NFL, and its refreshing to see someone see a fan of a team recognise that the guy you picked has a limited skill set.
I am a huge fan of the talent on that Bengals D, and I didn’t watch enough of their games to see what was entirely wrong with it, but yes, next year, you Bengals should be much improved.
Will you guys stick with Dalton or would you not hesitate to get a Franchise QB should the opportunity arise?
I’d say your D has elite potential, but you definitely need a real QB to win a superbowl. Riding the D and run game may get you a playoff record in the future, but to win a superbowl you NEED a QB who can ‘put da team on his back’ and show some ‘determination to get into tha touchdown’ lol
With regards to Carson Palmer, WHAT THE HELL? I have no respect for someone who quit on his team like that, how are you guys dealing with that?
Also, why is it that the media aren’t demonizing him but as soon as (dare I say it?) a black QB like VY has an argument with a coach because he isn’t being allowed back in a game he gets called every name under the sun?
I just don’t get it. Palmer has committed the most cardinal sin, especially for a QB in that he gave up on his team. Awful.
Now you guys have to rely on someone like Dalton and it may set you back in terms of Superbowl chances another 3 years…
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I'd say we'll stick with Dalton as long as he works.
And by “we”, I mean the coaching staff who can’t tell the difference between “works” and “worked but is not working now.” A lot of the defense’s problems can be attributed to the blindness of that difference. Dalton will probably get three years, including this one, to settle things. If he’s not working out then, I expect MIke Brown to find someone new, hopefully.
Argh, Calson Palmer…that’s still a bit of a sore subject to most CJ regulars. Most hate his guts, but I’m not one of them. I resign to the fact that I don’t know why he’s leaving. Things don’t add up. The man loves the game, and I see no reason for him to quit. This team’s been very good to him, so I can’t see why he’s saying the management is the issue but all signs point to that. Something’s not clear and I guess I’m going to reserve my hatred until I see reasons. I don’t think he’s the bad person people make him out to be and if Mike Brown does trade/cut him, he’ll probably make another team very happy.
you think the coaching staff have been a problem?
is marv on the hot seat this year?
Is there an expectation for Dalton to become a franchise QB for you? is he seen as the future or a stop gap?
Do you not take from the fact that they don’t add up equalling Carson Palmer acting like a douche? lol
Has he said ANYTHING since the season ended?
Wouldn’t have AJ Green to throw to be incentive to come back?
I don’t think Carson Palmer is a bad person, but he’s most certainly an awful team mate. How do you have a 90mil + contract, make some awful throws during the season and then quit on your team with signs pointing to him not liking the direction of the team. He was/has some real weapons around him and to just drop them like that is something I as a fan wouldn’t be able to forgive.
Carson in my eyes is guilty til proven innocent lol.
Any crackpot rumours emerged as to why?
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Honestly it should be
But we just gave Marvin a two year contract extension because he gave the Bengals fans a shitton of hope by asking for a lot of things we wanted. Honestly, I’d love him if he were a GM because he knows what we need and how to get and he drafts pretty well, but eh.
Dalton’s seen as a franchise guy. As much as I doubt him, he’s the future from the looks of it. We’ll see if he’s another Drew Brees or another Drew Stanton though.
Exactly, that’s the thing. Nothing adds up, so people just start complaining. I don’t read into that. I read much more into the teammates who still support him despite his requests to get out. No one, other than Chad (who was much more pissy about the fact that he wasn’t let go three years ago), has said a negative word about Carson Palmer. Either we don’t have any self-righteous headcases in that room (Chad?) or there’s something more going on here that we don’t know about.
I was calling it out before the draft that even if we drafted A.J. Green, it wasn’t going to convince Palmer to come back. It’s not about the players he was playing with. And there’s crackpot rumors everywhere.
Sorry to be nosy
but what were those things he asked for?
I remember reading Marv was begged to stay despite the poor record this year, definitely unconventional.
Well good luck to him. Unfortunately I’m of the belief Dalton will never be a franchise QB no matter how well he plays, he’s just too ugly (think Matt Schaub).
Drew Stanton ‘did’ the dougie, so he’s worth a 2nd round pick any day. If Dalton is as cerebral as has been said, he may be like Brees, which would be great for you guys!
Maybe the team mates are just more professional? They also know that despite the poor season he gives them the best chance to win and to insult him would be a bad move with regards to getting him back?
I’m gonna throw a crackpot theory out there. Carson Palmer’s wife was sleeping with Mike Brown. He refuses to come back because he can’t look him in the face without puking up, but has too much pride to publicly state this.
Being in Cincy just reminds him of his wife and Mike Brown so can’t bear to live there anymore, let alone work there, for the guy who betrayed him lol
Make sense? lol
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Yeh, it makes sense.
And it’s got just as much credibility as any other crackpot theory. He hasn’t said a word, deflecting to his agent or saying he’s on a “media hiatus” whenever he has the opportunity.
And Schaub is definitely franchise QB material. Houston’s problem is not its offense.
Flacco just does not have what it takes to ascend to the upper echelons of the NFL, and its refreshing to see someone see a fan of a team recognise that the guy you picked has a limited skill set.
You’re delusional. I would love to know why you think this. Let me guess, didn’t pass your eye test?
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nope he didn't
Unfortunately he hasn’t demonstrated that Franchise QB clutch in the playoffs or the ability to make something happen.
He’s very talented, but his decision making and accuracy at times really leaves a lot to be desired. He also doesn’t seem to learn from the mistakes he makes as it’s been the same sort of rookie errors every now and then since his rookie season.
Unfortunately I don’t follow the Ravens too intensely, so I’m only judging from playoff games and sunday and monday night games I’ve watched. All I’ve got is my eye test, I don’t read PFF stats on Flacco or revise gametape on him like I do other players and teams.
So yes, there is a huge flaw in my comment, but tell me where I’m wrong.
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Can’t expect every QB to come in the first 3 years and win a Superbowl. Let me ask you this, how many playoff victories did you see Flacco having in his first 3 years, let alone playoff appearances?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
that is true
I’ve seen 5 or 6 of the 7 Playoff appearances, which is a testament to the team.
If you look at the stats whenever they’ve been beaten it’s been because of sub par QB play, and when you watch the games as I’m sure you have you see Flacco shittin’ bricks and dropping a stinking turd.
I can’t believe in a guy that isn’t clutch when his job is relatively easy with regards to just how good that team is around him. Same with Sanchez, so don’t worry, Flacco isn’t being unfairly victimized.
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I didn't know Flacco was the only guy on the Ravens
I guess Ngata, Lewis, or Reed has nothing to do with playoff victories.
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let alone appearances
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How many did they have without Flacco?
And how far did they get?
Before Flacco if they even got to the playoffs, they would be one and done. And then Flacco comes and they are in the AFC championship as a 6 seed.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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Thank you sir.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
You know exactly what I was saying. The QB is the most important position on the team, and how many playoff victories/appearances did anyone here expect him to lead us to in his first 3 years?
God, you are so freaking dense. It’s like talking to a machine.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Flacco is very much a beneficiary of a team that puts a number of pieces around him.
Isn’t that the job of your GM. I guess Peyton is just very much a beneficiary of a team that put Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark around him. Dumb statement.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
back seven?
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Who? Sanders and Freeney? Wanna bet money neither of them gets in the HOF?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
He means Reed and Lewis
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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by Steel in FL on May 26, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Flacco has two shoe-in HOFs on offense?
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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by Steel in FL on May 26, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Ray Rice, Anquan Boldin, Torrey Smith, Tandon Doss, Michael Oher, Marshall Yanda, Joe himself.
So that makes 7.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
None of them are going to make it.
Not even Ray Ray
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I believe he was being a tad facetious.
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Also since you like to bang the "Flacco has playoff victories" drum
Flacco’s stats in the playoffs. Go.
How many playoff games have Carson or the Bengals won in the last 15 years?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Do I care?
Pretty sure I asked for stats. Wins is just one. If he were actually good, you’d be raining them down on my head.
4 road playoff wins. Only stat that matters. Most road playoff victories in NFL history. I’ll take those performances if it means victories.
He finally started to come along this season which showed against KC. And you know how tough it is to play against Pittsburgh. They have had the most dominant defense in the NFL the last 4 years. You cannot expect a young QB to do THAT well against that veteran defense in a playoff game.
You and I both know that Joe is a top 10 QB in this league.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
As Malor has said Flacco has progressed this season. He had a great game against KC and we very well could have beat Pitt because of Flacco. Flacco threw a TD pass to Boldin that was dropped and resulted in a FG. Then in the final 2 minutes we were 4th and 19 i believe and made a great throw to Housh which was again dropped. We don’t know what would have happened if he caught that ball, but he very well could have lead us to a win. He did it once against Pitt and was looking like he was on his way to do it again. You can’t fault him for those plays when he did everything asked of him. People just look at the numbers without actually looking at the actual game and the other factors surrounding it.
I lie this argument better than the wins
Wins just mean that he played well enough not to lose. If a LT gives up 5 sacks in one game and the team wins we don’t say the LT is good we say its time to replace him.
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Yes, but this is the QB where just making substitutions because of a bad game does not happen often and does not help in progressing the QB. You have to let these young guys go through the ups and downs.
LT and QB are totally different positions in what they demand. The LT is supposed to protect the QB, the QB is supposed to win.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Pretty sure every position is meant to win
You can win without a franchise QB the best QB doesn’t always win the best team does. Although I believe Flacco is a good QB wins do not make a good QB. If you can give reasons as to how he helped the team win it would solidify your argument.
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If you can give reasons as to how he helped the team win it would solidify your argument.
Lol, your insight is just too funny man. I am done discussing this topic with you, keep doing your thing bud.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, I guess the Rapist, Matt Schaub, Phillip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Michael Vick
I’d rate all of them as better than Joe Flacco. Has he progressed? Sure, why not, he’s seemed better. Maybe Cam Cameron’s holding him back even more. Your points are fair, this season, Flacco looked good in the playoffs.
I just hate how you bang the “Flacco has so many playoff wins in the first three years.” I find these thoughts, at least, in the previous years not to be particularly correlated. When you say Flacco’s got all these wins, you directly imply that Flacco is the actual reason for these wins when that’s not the case at all. Looking at stats tells you that. Flacco was not really a direct reason for the Ravens winning all those playoff games. It’s like saying Charlie Batch has a Super Bowl ring as a response, it’s implying Charlie Batch actually went out and won a Super Bowl when he was just a back-up.
Maybe a bit of an extreme analogy but you get what I mean.
I’m curious to see if he has a bit of a relapse when he loses both Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, a similar regression Eli Manning faced when his defense fell apart. If he continues to lead his team once he loses both Reed and Lewis, I will finally admit that yes, Flacco is a good QB. Hell, I think he’s slowly becoming one now. I just want to see him stand on his own legs first. Can you blame me?
by Doc Scratch on Jun 1, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ryan better than Flacco?
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Now Asians sayin they don’t keep no cash in they register
We run from red & blue lights to get that green
But whoever got that white is winnin like Charlie Sheen
by 4QB on Jun 2, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Push.
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by insertscreenname on Jun 2, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup, even though Joe’s stats are better across the board and more wins while doing so against tougher opponents.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I think Ryan's more in the Manning/Brady-style of QB
as opposed to the Roethlisberger-style Flacco.
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by insertscreenname on Jun 10, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That didn't really make sense.
Ryan’s more comparable to Manning/Brady, Flacco’s comparable to Roethlisberger.
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by insertscreenname on Jun 10, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s like saying Charlie Batch has a Super Bowl ring as a response, it’s implying Charlie Batch actually went out and won a Super Bowl when he was just a back-up.
What? How can you even say something like this. You just compared a franchise QB to a career back-up, terrible example. So no, I don’t get what you mean.
I never implied Joe was a direct reason for our playoff success, but I did imply that he was the QUARTERBACK (the most important position in the NFL) for a team that has won 4 playoff games in 3 seasons.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
my point exactly lol
its just funny to see that. We’ll see week 2. I’ll also be interested to see how a rookie handles Mile High, its not the old stadium but it can get rocking, especially when Tebow plays
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by DBroncs1414 on May 24, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeh, man, can't wait for football to start if it starts.
Tired of the lockout, I don’t even really care what my team’s standing is in the long run as long as we commit to Dalton (providing we’re not picking first, no one can straight faced pass on Luck) and he shows good stuff this year. We’re rebuilding, I don’t expect to be competing for playoffs, just relevance, I guess.
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niners and the nfc west
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Seattle Seahawks went to the playoffs with a 7-9 record.
Your division sent losers by record to the playoffs, how can you argue that that division isn’t bad?
by Doc Scratch on May 24, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't say they aren't bad,
just that they aren’t that bad.
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All of them will still give the Bengals a run for their money
except the Cards. Also all of them had a better record than the bengals.
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no in 2010 they all had a better record than the Bengals
Bengals picked 4th
Cards 5th
Niners 7th
Rams 14th
Seattle 25th
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by manraj7 on May 25, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But I think that the Bengals will be after 2 maybe 3 of the NFC west teams
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I definitely see us as better than Seattle and Arizona, depending on who they get in ther.
I don’t see us as better than St. Louis. San Fran is a push, from my point of view. Good pieces on offenses, questionable QB play. Good-to-great defenses. I think the only reason we lose is due to a rookie QB with a rookie #1 receiver and no real veteran leadership at any of the receiver spots, TEs included. That’s destined for initial failure.
hopefully the niners get their rookie QB in.
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I'm not mentioning the Bengals or Detroit.
Cincinnati is better than people make them out to be (last year’s defense was almost certainly a down year and they have a ton of offensive playmakers ready to break out) but I don’t predict a Dalton-led team with no offseason going more than seven wins and that’s being generous. Dalton needed this offseason and it sucks he won’t have it. I’m not judging him by this year solely, though. He probably will have to learn on the run but against teams like Denver and the NFC West, I can’t see how we’re going to do worse than four wins.
Detroit’s obvious and not really a surprise pick to anyone but the homerist of homers in da Bayurs and Packers’ fanbases (Having visited Daily Norseman, most of them are delusional there anyway).
So I guess my biggest “good” surprise will probably be the Rams going 11-5. The additional defensive help and new offensive playmakers for Bradford will go a long way in an easy division that he nearly won in his rookie season. Bradford can only get better.
My “bad” surprise pick will probably be the Bears too. So lucky last year. Soooooooooo lucky. And if you say “wtf no we weren’t,” it was obvious as early as week 1.
Here we go with you slammin Denver again lol
We play you early, and with our pass rush and Champ in the secondary with a mix of solid vets and young’uns with potential, Dalton better be wary. If your gonna beat us, it’ll be with a run game, not a rookie QB
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C'mon, you had the worst defense in the league last year.
Though I do see improvements, aren’t you switching back to a 4-3 as well?
by Doc Scratch on May 24, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, we did beat teams in 2009 with a run game.
Ten teams. We did it once, providing Benson gets back to that 2009 form, we can do it again.
by Doc Scratch on May 24, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly my point
yes you can beat us, just with a running game, your rookie QB won’t beat us. And to your points on the comment above, yes we are switching to a 4-3 but most of our talent translates better to the 4-3 then the 3-4, and many of them have played in the 4-3 before. To the top, yes we did have the worst D, but we have our best D player coming back from injury, it will give us a boost.
My comment was in response to how you said Dalton could learn on the fly because he plays the NFC West and Denver. My counter point is that Denver may not be such a pushover for a rookie QB, we’re getting Doom back, just drafted the best pass rusher in the draft, and Robert Ayers is moving to his natural DE spot (McD had him at OLB at 275ish, not smart). Couple that with a pretty good secondary and I have trouble seeing Dalton “learn on the fly.”
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by DBroncs1414 on May 24, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
who the hell thinks 275 lbs OLB is a good idea?
And I’m not saying your defense can’t be good. I just don’t expect a lot out of it this year. Also, I dunno how well Dumervil will translate to it. He’s kind of an exceptional player so I expect well but hey, who knows.
I’m not saying Dalton has the option to learn on the fly. I’m saying he will because he has to. He’s got a winning personality with no room for failure. Will he get it by week 2? No, no way in hell. You guys might beat Dalton but not Benson. But against that slew of teams? Probably. Each performance, as long as Dalton has the vote of confidence and the team goes with him, will likely be an improvement over every single one, providing Dalton will pan out.
Wade Phillips says “275 is nothing. Check out my 290 lb LB!”
As for Dumervil, I believe he has already played in a 3-4 and did pretty well.
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ughh here we go again
Doom played in a 3-4 one year, for the rest of his career, he’s been a DE in a 4-3. He had 8 sacks as a rook there, 12 the next season, and injuries held him to 4 in 08. He’ll be fine in a 4-3. And to answer the question in your subject line, Josh McDaniels did.
And I’ll accept your second paragraph, I thought in your comment that sparked this whole debate that you were saying Dalton would progress by throwing all over Denver, which I had a hard time believing
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Didn't realize we played Denver in week two.
That explains a lot. I don’t expect him to be throwing all over any team his rookie season. If he does, great! I’ll take it. If he doesn’t, oh well, Rookie growing pains, see: Colt McCoy in Cleveland.
And I believe I read something on MHR about Dumervil being a very adaptable player, which is why I was unsure of his transition.
homerist of homers in da… Packers’ fanbases
The vast majority of Packer fans see the Lions as their biggest division challenger.
(Having visited Daily Norseman, most of them are delusional there anyway).
My "bad" surprise pick will probably be the Bears too. So lucky last year. Soooooooooo lucky. And if you say "wtf no we weren’t," it was obvious as early as week 1.
I agree with those statements however.
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I think Buffalo will be much better than last year
not good enough to make the playoffs but much improved over last season & no longer in the division cellar. I think that the Giants & Jags are both teams that go deep into the playoffs after falling short last season. I think that Tenn. will end up with the 1st pick in next years draft, no QB, a fairly tough schedule & a rookie HC make it a long season for the Titans
Didn’t the Titans draft Locker 8th overall? In my opinion, he was the most pro-ready QB in this draft.
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Yeah, they did
but IMHO he is one of the reasons that I think that Tenn. will be picking 1st next year.
In my opinion, I think you guys will be choosing first next year. Beck at QB, in the NFC East, overrated coach make it a long season for the Skins.
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by insertscreenname on May 25, 2011 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree on the Jags
That mess is going to get worse before it gets better. I think they really overachieved last year and a new QB will mean growing pains. They still struggle in pass defense and the Colts and Texans will likely light them up twice a year. 6-8 wins for the Jags for the next 3 years should be the norm.
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by invisibulman on Jun 10, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Cards are more likely
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I think that Cards are an O Line and QB away from being a dominant team
The Seahags have more holes than a sieve and I really don’t know how they won last year… coaching?
Cards and Seahags bottom dwellers, 49ers 2nd and Rams 1st (for the next 10 years!)
Bradford to Onobun!
ya thats not going to happen
I am worried about Bradford though.
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well at least its not because he hasnt proved he can throw deep yet lol
I smh EVERY time I see that ‘criticism.’
Bradford to Onobun!
You should record every pass Bradford throws.
for next year. So you have proof that Bradford can throw the deep ball. I think PFF does this but you need to pay for subscription.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
Im not competitive I just addicted to winning.
If I can find a way to record off the TV without using a video cam I will
you know how?
I can’t afford to subscribe to PFF lol I just read it and trust them haha
Bradford to Onobun!
I'm pretty sure there is a way.
I’m sure though.
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Ok here is a way if you DVR it
http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/115294.html
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thanks for the link
unfortunately I don’t own a DVR, will need to research a way to record onto a DVD or some form directly.
Thanks though.
Bradford to Onobun!
Do it old school
go VCR then convert to DVD
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surprise teams this year
bills will be a lot better this year . they will win more games this year and give teams harder games than the last few years . and thats coming from a jets fan .
i also think the browns will do the same , improve and beat teams better than them but miss playoffs .
having a lockout won’t help many teams to have a so called breakout season and most of the good teams from last year will still be the teams to beat
if its for you it won't pass you
The Good and the Bad
Bad Surprise:
This one is easy, the Chiefs. They got fat on a terrible schedule and won the division because of the Chargers incomprehensible ability to squander talent. The Chiefs are maybe a 5 or 6 win team this year.
Dishonorable mention to the Eagles. A lot of people very high on this team, but they are still led by Mike Vick which leads to a whiplash effect. I can see them falling to 8-8 and missing the playoffs because of chemistry on offense and inability to stop the pass.
Good Surprise:
As much as it pains me to say so, it has to be the Dallas Cowboys. Finally dumping Wade Phillips and getting Romo back from injury should be worth 3 wins on its own. 11 wins is not out of the question, but they should grab at least 10 and make the playoffs.
Honorable mention: As they are every year… the Houston Texans are poised to be the next big breakout team.
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