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NFC East and NFC North 2011 NFL Draft Grades: Individual Selections and Overall Team Grades

 

Sorry for the delay between posts. I got busy with college visits and high school work and this slipped through the cracks. The final post should be out by the end of the weekend.

The dust is beginning to settle on the 2011 NFL Draft, which for me only means time is ticking for me to go about giving initial grades to each and every pick, as well as all 32 teams. These grades will be revisited around this time next year. The AFC West and South was done here and the AFC North and East was done here. First, a word on my subjective evaluation process once more. The basic grading rules are...

Individual Player Grades

A+: Designated for players that provide incredible value at a position of need, and have Pro Bowl potential

A: Designated for player that provide great value at a position of need, OR for players that provide  incredible value at a position that is not a huge need

B: Designated for players that provide good value at a position of need, OR for players that provide great value that is not a position of need

C: Designated for players player that provide good value at a minor need, OR for players that provide great value at no need, OR for players with clearly identifiable potential at a position of future need

D: Designated for players that provide decent value at a position of no need, OR for players that fall short in addressing positions of need, OR for solid players that were taken significantly earlier than their talent suggested they would be.

F: Designated for player that provide no value at positions where there's no immediate need, OR for players that most agree are a huge reach at a position of need, OR a player that has no means being in the draft.

Al Davis: A player with great speed that is over-drafted by 1 to 2 rounds (usually would grade out to a C)

Note: In the 6th round the lowest grade you can get is a D. In the 7th round regular picks, the lowest grade you can get is a D+. In the 7th round compensatory picks the lowest grade you can get is a C-

 

Team Grades:

A: A team filled all/most of their needs without reaching at any pick and got one or more steals

B: A team filled most/all of their needs but reached on some of their picks and failed to get a major steal

C: A team did not fill most of their needs or reached to fill those needs with less than two major steals

D: A team filled none or very few of their needs and reached to do those and failed to draft good players at non needs

F: A team filled no needs, reached for players, picked bad scheme fits, and traded away future picks.

Even though it goes without saying....As we all know, grading a draft immediately after it is mostly useless so this is just speculation on my part.

Without further ado, let's get to the individual and team grades for the NFC East and NFC North

NFC East

Dallas Cowboys

2010 Record: 6-10

Star-divide

Round 1 Pick 9: Tyron Smith, OT, USC

Grade: B+   Smith was projected to go the the Cowboys by a lot of people. Smith is suited as a RT right now (played it in college) but could eventually transition to LT.

Round 2 Pick 8: Bruce Carter, LB, UNC

Grade: B-   Carter is an extremely talented LB but is very injury prone. If he can stay healthy, this pick could become an A.

Round 3 Pick 7: DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma

Grade: C+    RB was not a huge need for the Cowboys and Murray was not the best RB available. He is also extremely injury prone.

Round 4 Pick 13: David Arkin, OG, Missouri State

Grade: C+   Arkin is a under the radar prospect who was probably over-drafted by one round. He should provide solid depth at guard.

Round 5 Pick 12: Josh Thomas, CB, Buffalo

Grade: B-     Thomas is a sleeper pick that could make this draft very good. He has good ball skills and decent size and speed.

Round 6 Pick 11: Dwayne Harris, WR, East Carolina

Grade: B+   Harris is good value in the 6th round and provides depth at WR. He could eventually become a #2 WR to complement Dez Bryant.

Round 7 Pick 17: Shaun Chapas, FB, Georgia

Grade: B-   Chapas is decent value in round 7 but does not fill a need. The Cowboys have stockpiled backs and will likely need to cut one to two backs this off season.

Round 7 Pick 49: Bill Nagy, C, Wisconsin

Grade: B    Nagy is a solid pick that should be a very solid backup center.

Team Grade: B-

The Cowboys had no really impressive picks but no really bad picks. They found a starting tackle in the 1st round. The health of their 2nd and 3rd round picks will make or break this drat. If Murray and Carter stay healthy, this draft could be an A. If not, this draft could be a D or F.

Washington Redskins

2010 record: 6-10

Round 1 Pick 16: Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue

Grade: B   I, unlike many others, think Kerrigan can play 3-4 OLB in the Redskins system. If it turns out that he can't than this grade plummets.

Round 2 Pick 9: Jarvis Jenkins, DT/DE, Clemson

Grade: B-    Jenkins was a slight reach at this point in round 2 but he can play multiple positions and will provide a pretty good pass rush.

Round 3 Pick 15: Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami

Grade: A    I had Hankerson going in the 2nd round and so did many others. He is a potential #1 wideout so this is a huge steal.

Round 4 Pick 8: Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska

Grade: B-   Helu has a decent skill set that fits in the Skins offense but this is a reach.

Round 5 Pick 15: Dejon Gomes, SS, Nebraska

Grade: C   Gomes is a good all around player but not great at anything. He was mocked by many in the 7th round so this is a reach.

Round 5 Pick 24: Niles Paul, WR, Nebraska

Grade: B-   3rd straight Nebraska player. Paul fits the range and will provide good depth and a possible slot receiver.

Round 6 Pick 12: Evan Royster, RB, Penn State

Grade: B-    Royster fits the range and could team with Helu and Terrain to form a good trio of backs.

Round 6 Pick 13: Aldrick Robinson, WR, SMU

Grade: C+    Robinson is an explosive receiver that could provide a good 4th WR.

Round 7 Pick 10: Brandyn Thompson, CB, Boise State

Grade: B    Thompson fits the range and could become a good nickel corner.

Round 7 Pick 14: Maurice Hurt, OG/OT, Florida

Grade: B    Hurt is a very good pick here and should provide great depth at both guard and RT spot.

Round 7 Pick 21: Markus White, DE, Florida State

Grade: B+     White is a very good pick here. He can play 3-4 DE and will provide a good backup on the DL.

Round 7 Pick 50: Chris Neild, NT, West Virginia

Grade: B    Neild is another good pick that fits the range.

Team Grade: B-

The Redskins draft could be graded in many ways. It is tough to evaluate the 1st round pick because he might not be able to play in a 3-4 scheme. If their 3 DL picks pan out, they could have fond their 3 starting DL for the next decade. The best pick of this draft was 3rd round pick Leonard Hankerson.

New York Giants

2010 Record: 10-6

Round 1 Pick 19: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska

Grade: A+   Amukamara is a huge steal and was by far the BPA. He has pro-bowl potential and although it does not fill a huge need that is not a big deal because Prince will likely start this year.

Round 2 Pick 20: Marvin Austin, DT, UNC

Grade: A    Austin is a late first round talent so picking him up in the middle of the 2nd round is a good value. He did not fill a big need at DT but could provide a good pass rush.

Round 3 Pick 19: Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy

Grade: A-    Jernigan will provide an explosive slot receiver and kick returner and fits the range in the 3rd round.

Round 4 Pick 20: James Brewer, OT, Indiana

Grade: A-    Brewer will provide a backup to both tackle spots and could be the eventual starting RT. Also, he is good value in the 4th.

Round 6 Pick 20: Greg Jones, ILB, Michigan State

Grade: A    Jones is an absolute steal in round 6. Mocked by many in rounds 3 and 4, getting him in the middle of round 6 is incredible. Should provide a very good backup to Goff at ILB.

Round 6 Pick 33: Tyler Sash, SS, Iowa

Grade: A   Sash, like Jones, was mocked in the 3rd and 4th round of many mock drafts. He should provide a very good backup SS.

Round 6 Pick 37: Jacquian Williams, OLB, South Florida

Grade: C+    This was the only pick I did not love. Williams could contribute on ST but is unlikely to provide any depth at the OLB spot.

Round 7 Pick 18: Da'Rel Scott, RB, Maryland

Grade: A-    Scott is a great pick in round 7 and gives the Giants a 3rd back to pair with Bradshaw and Jacobs.

Team Grade: A

The Giants had one of the best drafts of any team. Every pick was great value and they filled some needs at LB, S, and OT. Also got some luxury picks at CB, DT, RB, and WR.

Philadelphia Eagles

2010 Record: 10-6

Round 1 Pick 23: Danny Watkins, OT/OG, Baylor

Grade: B   Watkins is a very talented player so that is not the problem. The problem is that he is already 26 years old.

Round 2 Pick 22: Jaiquawn Jarret, S, Temple

Grade: B+    Jarret is a huge hitter who has great instincts. He fits the range in the 2nd round and could start at safety next to Nate Allen.

Round 3 Pick 26: Curtis Marsh, CB, Utah State

Grade: B   Marsh is a slight reach but fills a huge need at corner. Could compete for the #2 corner spot.

Round 4 Pick 19: Casey Matthews, ILB, Oregon

Grade: B    Matthews fills a minor need at backup ILB and is a good value in round 4.

Round 5 Pick 18: Dion Lewis, RB, Pittsburgh

Grade: B     Lewis and McCoy makeup the Pittsburgh backfield. Lewis is a good value and should make an impact in his rookie year.

Round 5 Pick 30: Julian Vandervelde, OG, Iowa

Grade: B    Vandervelde is a good pickup in the 5th round and could become a starting RG one day.

Round 6 Pick 26: Jason Kelce, OT, Cincinnati

Grade: B-    Kelce could become a LT if he gains 20 pounds. He is a project but could end up being a great pick.

Round 6 Pick 28: Brian Rolle, OLB, Ohio State

Grade: A-    Rolle is great value and fills a huge need at OLB. He should be able to compete for a starting spot at OLB.

Round 7 Pick 34: Greg Lloyd, LB, Connecticut

Grade: B+   Lloyd projects as an OLB in the Eagles scheme and can provide depth at all 3 LB spots of the Eagles 4-3.

Round 7 Pick 37: Stanley Havili, FB, USC

Grade: B-    Havili is a good lead blocker that can also run the ball and catch passes.

Team Grade: B+

The Eagles did a good job filling their needs at OT, OG, OLB, CB, and S. They got a bunch of talented players and took no major risks. Very solid draft for the Eagles.

NFC North

Minnesota Vikings:

2010 Record: 6-10

Round 1 Pick 12: Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State

Grade: C+    Ponder is a reach at #12 but you can't fault the Vikings for trying. They tried to trade back but could not find a partner. Once that happened, they decided to take their potential franchise QB. Smart move but still a reach.

Round 2 Pick 11: Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame

Grade: A-    Rudolph missed the 2010 season but is a great receiver none-the-less. He has to improve his blocking to become an every down TE.

Round 4 Pick 9: Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa

Grade: A-    Ballard was over-shadowed by Clayborn but Ballard had an equal season this year. He is an adequate pass rush that excels stopping the run.

Round 5 Pick 8: Brandon Burton, CB, Utah

Grade: A   Burton was mocked in the 3rd round by most mock drafts. He is a steal here and fills a need at corner.

Round 6 Pick 3: DeMarcus Love, OG, Arkansas

Grade: A-    Love will provide great depth at guard for an aging Vikings OL.

Round 6 Pick 5: Raymond Mistral, CB, South Florida

Grade: C    Mistral was not projected to be drafted and with Burton already drafted, does not fill a need. Bad pick.

Round 6 Pick 7: Brandon Fusco, OC, Slippery Rock

Grade: B+   Fusco has good potential and will provide depth at center and could eventually start.

Round 6 Pick 35: Ross Homan, OLB, Ohio State

Grade: A-    Homan is a steal here. He could start at OLB this year opposite Chad Greenway.

Round 7 Pick 12: D'Aundre Reed, DE, Arizona

Grade: B-     Reed is a good situational pass rusher that provides good value in the 7th round.

Round 7 Pick 33: Stephon Burton, WR, West Texas A&M

Grade: B      Burton dominated his lower level of competition and could be a solid contributor for whoever the new QB is.

Team Grade: B

The Vikings made good use of their many draft picks. They found a QB, TE, multiple DL, multiple OL, and some other very good selections.

Detroit Lions

2010 Record: 6-10

Round 1 Pick 13: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

Grade: A    No denying Fairley is a great player but his work ethic leaves a lot to be desired. He does not fill a need though.

Round 2 Pick 12: Titus Young, WR, Boise State

Grade: A    Young has great speed and is an explosive player. Fills a need and should start opposite Calvin Johnson.

Round 2 Pick 25: Mikel Leshoure, RB, Illinois

Grade: A     Leshoure is great value here and will be a great complement to Jhavid Best.

Round 5 Pick 26: Doug Hogue, OLB, Syracuse

Grade: B    Hougue has good potential and could be a solid backup at OLB.

Round 7 Pick 6: Johnny Culbreath, OT, South Carolina State

Grade: B-    Culbreath has to do a lot of work to become anything more than a  backup tackle but is worth the 7th round pick.

Team Grade: B+

Everyone is saying how great the Lions draft was. Yes they got great players but they failed to fill their biggest needs until the 5th and 7th rounds and ignored their other big need. Everyone knew the Lions needed multiple OLB's, a OT, and CB in the draft and they failed to get any good players at those positions.

Chicago Bears

2010 Record: 11-5

Round 1 Pick 29: Gabe Carimi, OT/OG, Wisconsin

Grade: A    Carimi should have gone much higher than 29 and is great value here. He can probably play 4 positions on the line and will help this terrible OL.

Round 2 Pick 21: Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State

Grade: A   Paea was mocked in the late 1st or early 2nd and fills a need at the 3-tech/1-tech DT for the Bears.

Round 3 Pick 29: Chris Conte, CB/FS, California

Grade: B-    Conte is a reach in the 3rd round and does not fill a big need. Shaky pick.

Round 5 Pick 29: Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho

Grade: B-     Enderle is a good project QB and if they trade Hanie he will probably be the backup.

Round 6 Pick 30: James Thomas, LB, West Virginia

Grade: B    Thomas is a good late round pickup that can play ST and backup at LB for the Bears.

Team Grade: B+

The Bears had two great selections in the 1st 2 rounds. Their last 3 selections were all solid but could have been used better.

Green Bay Packers

2010 Record: 10-6

Round 1 Pick 32: Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State

Grade: A-      This fits Sherrod's range. I had him as the 5th best OT and he was the 6th one picked so it is a slight steal and fills a big need at tackle.

Round 2 Pick 32: Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky

Grade: A-     Cobb is an explosive, multi-faceted play-maker that provides another weapon for Rodgers and fits the range at the end of the 2nd round.

Round 3 Pick 32: Alex Green, RB, Hawaii

Grade: C+    Green is a very shaky pick. He fills a need at 3rd down RB but might have still been available in round 5 or 6.

Round 5 Pick 10: D.J. Williams, TE, Arkansas

Grade: A     Williams is an excellent selection in the 5th round. He has the versatility and athleticism to be another great weapon for Aaron Rodgers.

Round 6 Pick 14: Caleb Schlauderaff, OG, Utah

Grade: B+      Schlauderaff fits the range and fills a need at backup OG.

Round 6 Pick 21: D.J. Smith, LB, Appalachian State

Grade: B      Smith is a decent pick and could be solid depth at ILB.

Round 6 Pick 32: Ricky Elmore, DE, Arizona

Grade: A-      Elmore is a very good late round selection. He is a fierce pass rusher that can probably rotate in the Packers DE group.

Round 7 Pick 15: Ryan Taylor, TE, UNC

Grade: C+    Taylor is one of two shaky picks in this draft. He is a good blocker but they did not need another TE.

Round 7 Pick 30: Lawrence Guy, DE, Arizona State

Grade: A      Guy is a big steal in round 7. He has great skills and could rotate in on passing situations.

Team Grade: A-

The Packers did a good job with their 1st two draft picks. All of their picks were ok but their 3rd and 1st 7th round picks could have been better.

That ends the 3rd part of this series. Sorry for the wait and look for the 4th part on Sunday or Monday.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 6, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Liked the outlook from a fan of another team.

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by Drizzzy on May 6, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is talk every year about how a RT is not worth a 1st round pick

I am wondering how Tyron Smith has avoided that talk. At #9 overall no less. I think Free is a LT. Although since I think Justin Tuck is the greatest player in the world, and Orakpo and Graham are coming from the left side, it makes sense in this division.

I thought the Dwayne Harris, Aldrick Robinson, and Chris Neild picks should have been higher. Harris provides the slot WR Dallas lacks and the last two are good players that went late.

You were generous on Jenkins, Royster, Jarrett, and Vandevelde. Overdrafted.

With all those A’s, Minnesota should have a higher overall grade, despite the Ponder surprise. I understand the pick, they are trying to rebuild while still competing with their veterans, and Ponder is the most ready-today of the QBs. I liked their later picks.

I’d have to imagine that as a center, Kelce’s arms would be way too short for a LT.

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by ct17 on May 6, 2011 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

It's Smith's upside that's why

This kid has the best feet and natural movement for a guy his size that I have seen in a long time BUT he still has to be able to transition to LT after playing only RT in college.

by nmvikesfan on May 8, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

act like Dallas didn't draft his clone

go head.

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by Rorschach44 on May 8, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yawn............

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by Archie Barberio on May 9, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't hate, appreciate

Tyron Smith will be a stud. I know this because a little birdie told me so:)

Bruce Campbell had much better feet and natural movement and is bigger then Tyron Smith

This logic suggest that Smith should have been a 4th rd. pick?

by Ravens One on May 11, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that bird must've been the runt of the litter

and yes, Smith should’ve been a 4th round pick

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by Rorschach44 on May 11, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just like JPP, right?

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by Creasy729 on May 16, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

not even close

I felt JPP was a late first rounder.

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by Rorschach44 on May 16, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Henery?

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by Omaha Sun on May 6, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

forgot about him. Pick grade is an F for picking a kicker in the 4th round

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by seton hall and steelers on May 6, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

some of the best kickers in recent history

were taken in the 2nd. Kickers win games.

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by beef99 on May 6, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He probably wouldn't have made it to their next pick.

There were plenty of other teams that needed a kicker. You’re just mad that the Steelers didn’t get him.

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by Omaha Sun on May 6, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree about the Carimi pick

he’s a good value there and might be BPA, but the Bears OL is chock full of RT caliber athletes. I thought Sherrod made a ton of sense there given his athleticism. I did like the Paea pick tho, I’ll compare his career with Marvin Austin’s.

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by Rorschach44 on May 6, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I gave my own grades on the rankings post, but I'll repost them here:

Green Bay Packers 1) Derrick Sherrod: A

Up until about the 18-20 range, it looked like the Packers were going to get a really good player. Then there was a run on our guys and I was terrified we were going to be stuck with a meh player. But Sherrod made it to us, and I’m very happy with the pick. He gives us the young LT to develop behind Chad Clifton this year. We have to keep Rodgers on his feet.

2) Randall Cobb: A

This pick was awesome. Cobb is a versatile playmaker that adds a whole lot of options to the offense. James Jones is likely gone, so we needed another WR for our 4-WR sets. Plus he’s a very good KR/PR, something we desperately needed. Now Tramon Williams doesn’t have to risk himself on STs.

3) Alex Green: B-

I didn’t really like this pick, and it was almost a C. But he does have a few redeeming traits that could make him very valuable for us. B-Jax is likely gone, so we needed a 3rd-down receving back. He isn’t nearly the blocking back that B-Jax is, but he does provide more as a runner if Grant or Starks miss time. He was probably a reach here, and there were other good backs to be had a bit later.

4) Davon House: B+

We needed a guy to develop behind Charles, and House has good potential. Even more importantly, Jarrett Bush is pushed farther down in the CB depth chart.

5) D.J.Williams: B

Very good value for an extremely productive college TE. He has great hands and could be a nice weapon for Aaron. He also provides depth in case Finley goes down again. But If Jermichael can stay healthy and is re-signed, I’m not sure how much impact he’ll have.

6a) Caleb Schlauderaff: B

Don’t know much about him, but OG is good position to pick a guy up at.

6b) D.J. Smith: C

He’s a midget. I’m not sure where he plays, but maybe he could be a good PS player.

6c) Ricky Elmore: B-

Looking at his college stats, he out-produced teammate Brooks Reed. He seems to have a knack for getting into the backfield. Kevin Greene has done wonders with our LBs, and I’m sure he can coach this guy up. Look at Frank Zombo last year.

7a) Ryan Taylor: C-

Umm… why? I don’t see any way where he makes the team. PS guy only.

7b) Lawrence Guy: B+

This guy could be a steal. He’s big and he’s fast. Good coaching can really turn this guy into a contributor.

Overall: B+. We got a couple impact players, some good developmental prospects, and also some good value.

Elmore is definitely an OLB for us Seton.

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by Omaha Sun on May 6, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the info on Elmore

also, how has your LB coach been at switching college DE’s to NFL LB’s.That is huge in how Elmore will develop. Keith Butler (Steelers LB coach) specializes in it but some people can’t do it.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 6, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kevin Greene has been pretty good

Frank Zombo was converted from DE to LB and has done a pretty good conversion so far. Kampman was coming along, but really didn’t want to go through the conversion and then got injured. Same thing happened with Jermey Thompson.

by PackApologist on May 6, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's why I mentioned Zombo in my grading.

Greene said today he’s not worried about Elmore’s lack of speed. He understands the kids strengths, and won’t ask him to do something he can’t.

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by Omaha Sun on May 6, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones would be another

He was a DE in college, came in as a 7th round pick and played very well in 09.

by PackApologist on May 7, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a big Royster fan

in Shanny’s system. Like previous successful Shanny RB’s, he’s not the greatest athlete at the position but he’s a guy who can read the ZBS, make the one cut, and go. I like Helu as well but something about Royster makes me feel he could put up big numbers in Washington.

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by DBroncs1414 on May 6, 2011 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt Alex Green would be available in the 5th or 6th like you said.

Most had him ranked higher than Bilal Powell who the Jets reached for.

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by JetKing55 on May 6, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

That's why I still kept it a B.

I was looking around, and it seemed like every team I saw had him as their “sleeper back.” If everyone thought he was thatguy, someone was going to take him earlier than projected.

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by Omaha Sun on May 6, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is why I kept it as a C+ instead of a C or C-

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by seton hall and steelers on May 7, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your entire criteria for rating drafts is flawed.

Drafting for “needs” is a strategy for losers. The teams that draft the best take players that are the most talented that fit the particular team’s scheme.

And secondly, your analysis of what a team “needs” is also wrong. It makes more sense in most cases to add talent to a strength as that is the team identity. For example, why do you think the Steelers continue to add Linebackers and D Linemen to their team most years?

Because they need to keep that part of their game at a very high level, which means continued adding of talent. Same goes for the Colts and their ongoing focus on the offence.

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by NorthLeft12 on May 7, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

actually, we have been picking LB's and DL for the past couple years because

Big Snack, Keisel, Aaron Smith, Deebo, and Farrior are all on the wrong side of 30 and because we don’t have a deep LB group outside of our starting 4.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 7, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is, rating teams by how they fill what you think are needs is wrong.

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by NorthLeft12 on May 7, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair Grades for the Redskins. I like it.

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by TerpsAllTheWay on May 7, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Except for Markus White

At 266 he won’t make it as a DE in Hasletts scheme, maybe as an OLBer but I doubt he makes the team

by ENsDad27 on May 7, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by TerpsAllTheWay on May 8, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like your draft grades

Ponder will make Vikings grade into an A+ , he has a lot of talent to work with in a system that fits his physical tools.
On a side note curse you GB as SB champs you’re not supposed to load up again, what happened to parity in the league?

by nmvikesfan on May 8, 2011 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

We decided parity was not good for us.

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by Omaha Sun on May 8, 2011 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

W/ Thompson as GM...

Thats ALL we do… Keep loading up for one SB ran after another! Gone are the days of Sherman trading 2 picks to move up for a Punter in the 3rd round! Better get used to it, cuz its not coming to an end anytime soon! THompson just keeps taking the BPA regardless of position early and moving up or down to get value at positions of need in mid to late rounds when draft grades are all about equal. I honestly can’t recall a player he really reached for… He fits player ability to scheme requirements and draft position as well as any GM in the NFL! SB #5 for the Pack is coming!

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by Strohman on May 8, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He reached for Alex Green

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by NMVike on May 10, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not

Reaching is taking a player that is lower on your board to fill a need. There was no need with Green….the Packers just probably just had him higher on the board than many of the draft experts.

To contrast…the Vikings did reach for Ponder, but it was a necessary one. Teams will reach for a QB because they know they need one, especially in the case of the Vikings, and the Vikings were looking at possibly missing out on later pick so they bit the bullet. That’s what a reach is.

by PackApologist on May 11, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for that excellent analysis

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QB was the vikings biggest need and Ponder was the #1 QB on their board. Whether they could have drafted him later or not is irrelevant. They wanted him so they drafted him and were justified in doing so at #12. It is not the TOA’s m.o. to panic and reach for a player. Rather they target a player they want and draft him (e.g. Percy Harvin, Phil Loadholt, AP) or trade up to do so (e.g. Toby Gerhart, TJack, Ray Edwards, Brian Robison, etc). If the player they want is not there, they have traded back and added picks (e.g. 2007-2nd round, 2010-1st round). End of story.

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by NMVike on May 12, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Severe problems with your analysis

1. Trying to talk about the TOA at all is flat out silly since 1/3rd of it just changed. Childress was a big personality in that room and to try and use any of his drafts as a basis of all of their actions is shaky ground.

2. I’m sorry but you are not going to sell to many people that Ponder was the top of their board or that really was their guy. I think they like him. I think they wanted him. I think they thought he was going to be a franchise guy and believed that it was necessary to draft him there because they couldn’t trade down. All of those things excuse the reach, but they also don’t deny a bit of a reach.

Oh and the panic picks of the previous administration? I’ll just name one to show they do commit it….Chris Cook. Jets took the guy they wanted, traded down and then took the best corner on the board because of a need there. That pick smelled of desperation…the Ponder pick smells similar. The CBA and QB needs put the Vikes in a bad spot so they made the best pick they could to fill a gaping hole.

by PackApologist on May 13, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. Frazier is not totally new to the war room. So my use of the TOA is relevant. Frazier was in the war room for the past 4 years. But Vikings fans know that Spielman has final say on pulling the trigger on all draft picks.

2. I don’t have to sell anything. The Vikes identified QB as their biggest need and they took one. The spent a lot of time with Ponder. They met with him at the Senior Bowl. They met with him at the combine. They went down to Florida St. and spent 2 days with him. The QB they wanted was Ponder.

3. As per your Cook comment, please re-read my comment:

If the player they want is not there, they have traded back and added picks (e.g. 2007-2nd round, 2010-1st round)

Thank you. That is all.

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by NMVike on May 13, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or how about this as analysis

You know, since you just dodged this part of the point I’ll come right back to it….

See the reason why Green probably isn’t a reach but a different evaluation is because the Packers didn’t really have a great need at RB. Go back and look over when the draftniks talked about the Packers drafting a RB early it was typically because a talented guy like Ingram fell that far, or the scout was a big believer in LeShoure.

This year the Pack don’t really have a big hole there since Grant is coming back and Starks showed plenty of promise. Heck even Kuhn showed some promise in filling in for HB on the fly, even doing a fair bit of 3rd work….so the size of the hole is small if there at all. Again it seems a bit more of a way the board fell out pick.

If you want to see what happens when the Packer do draft for need you tend to see more of a trade up situation. The previous two drafts had this with Clay Matthews and Morgan Burnett.

Finally on the Vikings draft…remember there were many reports that the Vikings attempted to trade down but couldn’t find a partner and so drafted Ponder. This tells us that the value wasn’t right at 12 but they also didn’t want to risk for 43. That points to a risk, even by the standards that you have laid out, so I don’t totally get why your knickers are in a twist by the statement that Ponder was a reach. It was…an understandable and excusable one….but a small reach nonetheless.

by PackApologist on May 13, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Green was a 5th round talent drafted in the 3rd

Reach.

Just because the position wasn’t a need doesn’t excuse the fact that they took the kid earlier than they had to.

As per the reports that you refer to, I have absolutely no faith in anything Schefter or any of those other clowns shovel down the masses throats on BSPN. Yes it was “reported” pre-draft that Spielman was interested in acquiring a 3rd round pick. Could have been a smokescreen or a false report all together. But based on the way the draft played out, the Vikings were more than comfortable to sit and pick.

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by NMVike on May 13, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not so sure

They made their pick with almost no time left on the clock. If he was their top pick it would have been made pretty quickly. I think Locker was their guy and they didn’t think there was a chance in hell that he would be taken before 12 or at least before gabbert anyway

by supertrooper15 on May 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matthews and Burnett also besides satisfying a need were BPA picks as the value on his board was great

Totally agree on your analysis of Ponder, they tried to trade back also tells me he wasn’t the highest rated QB on there board unless they had no QB rated until late in the 1st round

by the yooper on May 15, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he wasn't the highest rated QB they would not have drafted him

Just because Adam Schefter reports that they tried to trade back doesn’t make it fact.

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by NMVike on May 18, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

And here is the bottom line of it all

Ponder was probably the highest rated QB on the board….that doesn’t make him the highest rated PLAYER on the board. Do you see the difference and how Ponder could still be a reach?

by PackApologist on Jun 12, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Vikes targeted Locker but ponder was a fine pick at #12

Almost all the draft guys said he was the most pro ready QB in the draft. Thus it is impossible to call him a reach when he was the 4th QB taken but the highest rated in NFL preparedness

by supertrooper15 on May 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Readiness to play is not the only thing you can judge off of.

We’ll see after these guys get on the field, but if you want to use “almost all the draft guys,” then almost all the draft guys had a bunch of players who were better than Ponder. Thus, it is a reach.

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by Omaha Sun on May 27, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You cant really compare that though

The only way a reach could be justified is if the player would have been available at the teams next draft slot. It was made clear Ponder would nto be available when the vikings drafted in the 2nd round. So they took him when they could. That is not a reach. Especially since he would have been drafted within 2 more picks to Washington. That is more than 1 team that perceived his value to be a mid first round pick. So how can that be a reach?

by supertrooper15 on Jun 6, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vikings

First of all, I commend you on not bashing every pick in your reports. The truth is that it will be 2-3 years before we now what grade each pick deserves.

Ponder: Based on your description of the grade “C” Ponder clearly is not a C. At the very least his pick should receive a B. He filled a huge need, and he just might end up being the most Pro-ready of the bunch. Meaning he can possibly have more of an immediate impact than any other QB drafted.

Rudolph: He did not miss the entire 2010 season. But even with the time he did miss, he was the #1 player at his position, and most def would have been a 1st round pick if not for his injury. Coaching change also impacted his production.

Raymond: I was surprised by this pick, but your analysis is off. He was drafted as a safety. Burton is a corner. I still think there was better talent on the board at safety, but Raymond has a lot of upside as he is a very hard worker and he excells in coverage. Will be a FS in the NFL.

Homan: This should be an A+. I think he will start as a rookie and at the very least he will be a ST demon.

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by NMVike on May 10, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Ponder clearly is not a C

That is why I gave him a C+. I almost made it a B- but since it was a huge reach I could not do it.

Homan: This should be an A+

Part of the requirement of being an A+ is having pro-bowl potential and I don’t think Homan has it.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 10, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Homan

But I thought there was something about your system for late round picks? Maybe I read through it too fast. But my point is that if you find a starter in the 6th round, that should be graded very high. Even if the player is just a solid starter and not a pro bowler. Pro Bowls are just a beauty contest anyway. ;-)

Ponder. I sharply disagree with the notion that it was a huge reach. The Vikings biggest need was QB. Ponder was clearly the best QB on the board. In fact some draft “experts” had Ponder as the highest QB on their board. Period. Wes Bunting and someone at Yahoo! sports (Doug Farrar I believe) had Ponder as their #1 QB. Ponder is the most "pro-ready QB in this draft. The Vikings have a veteran team. The fans do not want to sit through another 2 years with a stop gap veteran QB. This situation called for a day-one starter. Contrary to what the talking heads on BSPN think or say, Ponder clearly was the best choice for the Vikings at #12.

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by NMVike on May 11, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, NMVike
Ponder: Based on your description of the grade "C" Ponder clearly is not a C. At the very least his pick should receive a B. He filled a huge need, and he just might end up being the most Pro-ready of the bunch. Meaning he can possibly have more of an immediate impact than any other QB drafted.

You’ve be championing Ponder. I hope you are correct for Leslie Frazier’s and Rick Spielman’s sake. The truth of the matter is that Ponder is a huge reach. He’s been injury prone, lacks a great arm (does not threaten the entire field) and I don’t see Mike Vick escapability when it comes to geting away from NFL D-lineman or LB’s.

And the pro-ready thing is so overrated. When you draft a player most teams do look at upside and most that look at players for a livivng think that Ponder is at his ceiling. Good luck with Ponder, I think you will need it.

by Ravens One on May 11, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason why the talking heads on BSPN were so quick to rule the Ponder pick a reach is because Fairley and Amukamara were still on the board. Fairley is a one hit wonder with a bit of an attitude and work ethic issues and Amukamara has short arms and will have to step up his game to be anything more than a nickel corner in the NFL.

The only question mark with Ponder was his injury history. He separated his shoulder while making a tackle during his junior year and he had a forearm injury that was misdiagnosed which delayed rehab during his senior year. Vikings doctors cleared AP back in 07 so I trust their judgement in clearing Ponder now.

While no one will confuse Ponder for Michael Vick or Ryan Mallet, last time I checked the best QB’s in the league right now (Brady, P. Manning, Brees) aren’t the most athletic, nor are they blessed with rifle arms. Ponder’s athleticism and arm strength are on par with Aaron Rogers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Stafford, and Mark Sanchez. He’s more gifted athletically than Matt Ryan, Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers.

Being pro-ready is overrated if you don’t expect a player to start on day one. Spielman and Frazier were impressed with Ponder’s leadership and football IQ. They met with just about every draft eligible QB this offseason, including Gabbert, Dalton and Mallet. They could have traded up for Gabbert, but didnt. They could have traded down for Dalton or waited to take Mallet in the 2nd but they didnt. They did their homework on Ponder and feel really good about the pick. Ponder would not have made it past the Dolphins at 15 or Seattle at 25. In fact the latest report is that Buffalo would have traded back into the 1st to get him if he got past Minnesota and Miami.

But hey luck is a big part of success in the NFL, so we’ll take it.

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by NMVike on May 12, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

First

I love the fact that you called the hype machine -— BSPN. I have been calling them that for a few years now. I will take your word on there commentary because I only watch their programming when the the Draft occurs or an NFL game is being played.

We share a brain on Fairley and Amukamara although I am of the opinion that Fairley will be a star. More specifically on Ponder, a QB must be evaluated based on how he performs and not whether he played with great skill position players. Even you would have to agree that Ponder did not dominate in the ACC. Can he be expected to dominate in the NFL? I like Leslie Frazier and wish the best for him and the Vikings franchise. I just thought that potential Pro Bowl players were on the board when Ponder was Drafted.

Question: Why do Vikings fans/Leslie Frazier not want Joe Webb to be a QB? Did he not do enough last season under very difficult circumstances and very few practice reps? At least that what I here when they speak on the Vikings.

by Ravens One on May 12, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have been hurting without NFL Net. The wife only lets me get it during the season. I don’t blame her, nothing would get done around the house if I had it year round.

I agree that Fairley could be a star. Especially lining up next to Suh. I just think that the reason he fell out of the top 10 is because teams were concerned with his character and the fact that he only had one good season.

Ponder was on par to have a great 2009 season before the shoulder injury. Here are some quotes from Matt Waldman, the author of The Rookie Scouting Portfolio, an 859-page testament to his obsession with film analysis:

2. Christian Ponder, Florida State (6-2, 229)
Ponder’s No. 2 ranking on this list might be better described as "1-A" because, if not for his injuries, he might have put together the kind of year at F.S.U. that would have made him the clear-cut top QB prospect in this draft.
Ponder has developed into a strong decision maker. He consistently makes the correct presnap reads for quick throws to the right receiver as the coverage dictates. He also uses his eyes to draw defenders away from an area he intends to throw the ball.
He has a smooth, compact release, and his drops are precise from center. He operates from a pro-style offense and has a good understanding of the mechanics and reads involved with it. His transition to the N.F.L. should be smoother in this respect than with some of the more athletically heralded prospects in this draft class.
Ponder might not be the flashiest of the quarterbacks in this class, but he could turn out to be one of the best because of his smarts, underrated athleticism and excellent accuracy and mechanics in a pro-style offense. He might be the most prepared quarterback for the N.F.L. in terms of his combination of athleticism, passing skills and understanding of the position.

Here is some info from the first 5 games of 2009:

Ponder ranked among the nation’s top quarterbacks in virtually every statistical category…though he failed to reach the minimum percentage of games played required to appear in NCAA statistics, the ACC still recognized his league-leading 321.8 total yards a game…that was the sixth-best season for total offense in ACC history…was the only ACC quarterback to average more than 300 passing yards a game (301.9)…

To your comment about not dominating the ACC. You hit the nail on the head about evaluating a QB based on the talent around him. Ponder played in a pro-style offense without much pro-level talent around him. In the 2010 NFL draft TCU had more players drafted than FSU. In fact, Appalachian St. had as many players drafted as FSU.

To your final comment about Joe Webb. I personally love the kid. I hope that he is given a fair chance to compete for the starting job. But the fact that Frazier took a QB so high tells me one of two things: Either the affinity for Webb began and ended with Childress, or Frazier knows something the rest of us don’t about Webb’s ability to play WR. The bottom line is this, Webb is too talented to sit on the bench as the #3 QB. Either start him at QB, keep him as the #2 QB and design a short yardage/wildcat package for him, or move him permanently to WR.

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by NMVike on May 12, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Excellent take and good hunting.

by Ravens One on May 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

I did catch an error. It should have read in the 2011 draft TCU had more players drafted than FSU. But I’m sure you knew what I meant.

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by NMVike on May 18, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

so short arms means he wont amount to anything?

obviously he has to step his game up every rookie has too but to say he wont be anything more then a nickel corner is stupid to say…. no one knows how good or bad he will be

by BigBlue91 on May 13, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know why people say Ponder has a low ceiling?

I guess maybe because he is the most pro ready and will not need years to develop. I am not worried because the said the same things about Montana and Brees. ( Not saying Ponder is the second coming of Montana or anything) But I am saying that he is an intelligent QB and with great leadership, and athletic ability to lead a team forward, especially a talented team that is talior made for him.

by nmvikesfan on May 16, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a reach though.. where do you get "huge reach"

he was called the most pro ready QB in the draft and he was the 4th QB taken. it actually meant he was quite a steal. I think you should have done better research at the positions, u seem to abse a lot of your grades off of Trent Dilfer

by supertrooper15 on May 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

So when are you doing the NFC west?

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by manraj7 on May 12, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

IDK. I am very busy right now with school work and basketball

and am trying to focus on picking a college. Once I get all of that done I will get to the NFC West.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 12, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're a junior right now?

Its cool I’m just waiting for my turn to yell at you. to tell you how awesome you are.

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by manraj7 on May 12, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea I am a Junior but I am being recruited for college basketball

The contact period began a couple weeks ago and it ends in 3 days. After that, I won’t have to spend a couple hours from each day talking to college coaches. It has been crazy. Every day a knew coach is in my living room trying to persuade me to come to their college. Happy its over and I want to pick a college within a week or two (the spring signing period ends in 12 days).

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by seton hall and steelers on May 12, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats cool

I will never be big enough to play college sports and I never played a sport that was wildly known. Its an important decision so don’t be hasty.

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by manraj7 on May 12, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea I have been debating for the past 3 weeks really between two colleges but lately a 3rd college has come into the mix

I only have 12 days unless I want to wait until next fall which I don’t really want to do.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 12, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you visit?

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by manraj7 on May 13, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have visited 7 colleges

Iona, LIU, Manhattan, St. Peters, NJIT, Fairfield, and Fairleigh Dickinson (not considering them)

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by seton hall and steelers on May 15, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i play basketball too

i go to a pretty good school for it….. r u going d-1?

by BigBlue91 on May 13, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

yea I am going to a low major D1 program unless I blow up my Senior Year

where do you go?

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by seton hall and steelers on May 13, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha im a sophomore in highschool i got time but

im hoping to do what u r getting low d-1 but idk i go to a school in new york we won states this year and we were ranked 33 in the nation

by BigBlue91 on May 13, 2011 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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by manraj7 on May 13, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Junior.

I’m considering Long Island University, Manhattan, Fairfield, Iona, St. Peters, NJIT. My top 3 are LIU, Manhattan, and Iona (which has come on strong the past couple weeks). The only thing with LIU is that I really won’t be playing my Freshman year because of all the Juniors from last year’s team. But, after they leave, I will play a huge role my Sophomore year. I have like 6 or 7 days to make a decision

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by seton hall and steelers on May 14, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was a horrible joke man

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by manraj7 on May 14, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh nvm I get it

I thought nvm I look like a fool.

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by manraj7 on May 14, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not being recruited by SHU.

If I got offered a scholarship there I would go there in a heartbeat. If I have an awesome Senior Season maybe they will offer me

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by seton hall and steelers on May 14, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

bergen county, NJ

Where do you go to HS?

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by seton hall and steelers on May 15, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats really close to me

I’m in Rockland County. Good luck man.

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by James_C on May 18, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

graduated TZHS in 09

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by James_C on May 18, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

For those of you who care, I decided to go to Iona. Only a verbal commitment

but, I should be able to very often for the next three weeks but then I have finals and the summer AAU circut which will keep me very busy.

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by seton hall and steelers on May 18, 2011 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Congrats man

Good luck with your finals and the summer circuit

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by James_C on May 21, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

What position do you play Seton? I want to hear about your game.

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by Omaha Sun on May 23, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am a 6'4" PG/SG combo

I am extremely athletic and dunk with ease. However, the reason I am playing college basketball is my 3pt shooting. I am a career 45% 3pt shooter. I have averaged 16pts, 4.2ast, and 2.1 reb for my career but last year as a junior I jumped to 21.3pts, 5.9ast, and 3.3reb. I am planning on attending Don Bosco Prep again next year but St. Benedict’s and Hudson Catholic both want me to go to their schools to play basketball next year. I had offers from Iona, Long Island University, Manhattan College, NJIT, Fairfield, St. Peters, Hofstra, and UNC-Wilmington. I just finished the spring AAU season where I averaged 25.6pts and 4.4ast (they don’t keep rebounds). However, I fractured my ankle in the final game of the season and am out for four to six weeks so I won’t be participating in Summer AAU. I played against some of the top players in the 2012 class such as Kyle Anderson, Kareem Canty, Mike Taylor (was a 2011 prospect but reclassified), and Andre Drummond.

My advisors had told me not to commit anywhere this year because they think my recruitment will blow up as a senior but I decided to get rid of the stress and just go to Iona on a verbal. I can always back out if I really want to.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 6, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome.

Heal up man, and good luck.

I heard Iona beat Creighton, and I watched Creighton beat Fairfield, so I’m somewhat familiar with both schools. Iona apparently has a ton of division 1 sports teams and is pretty successful for such a small school that no one has heard of. And it looks like Fairfield is one of the top teams in it’s conference at the moment. It comes down to what you like though. Which school do you like best, and which region do you like best? Don’t go somewhere that you’ll end up regretting.

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 6, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep I put a lot of thought into even announcing a verbal

I really liked the coaching staff and campus of Iona and my dad liked Iona so I gave a verbal to Iona. My dream is that SHU offers me a scholarship but it is not likely. I have talked to Coach Willard of SHU and he told me he was going after some top 100 recruits next year and planned on getting two or three which he said would use up all his scholarships. He asked me to come for an unofficial visit and I did but I am a backup plan for them in case like 12 or 13 other players don’t sign.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 6, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sucks man.

But then again, it’s Seton Hall. How many top recruits want to go there? So there’s still a chance!

You should check out Creighton. I can be your host for an unofficial visit :-)

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 7, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alot of people are starting to consider SHU

Kyle Anderson said SHU is the favorite. Kareem Canty has SHU as 1st or 2nd on his list depending on who you talk to. Negus Webster-Chan is strongly considering SHU. That is just a few. Creighton has not contacted me.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 7, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hush.

I was trying to cheer you up.

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 7, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for CU,

I don’t believe we have many open schollies for 2013. Plus we are recruiting a couple local guys pretty heavily. Texas and the midwest are more where our staff is recruiting at the moment.

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 7, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just found out that Momo Jones announced he would transfer to Iona

That is actually big news for me because Iona will be a huge favorite to go to the NCAA tournament for the next 2 years but I will also have to backup Momo as a freshman. I was told I would probably be able to compete for a starting role as a freshman but with Momo being their, that will be impossible. I am really happy for Iona though. When WIllard left, people were doubtful that their success would stay but it looks like they might even get better. Good day to be an Iona commit.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 8, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha,

I was just coming over to ask if you heard. You should check out Mid-Major Madness if you want more coverage. Iona will likely pop up now and then.

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 8, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had heard as early as yesterday that he was probably going to SHU

When I checked my phone after school today, I had texts from MoMo and my HS coach that Momo was going to Iona. I was shocked.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 8, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's cool.

It’s always nice to have someone to look up to and learn behind. I’m sure you’ll learn a lot from him.

What is your nickname going to be?

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 8, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not sure what my nickmame will be

My teammates at DBP call me the White Assassin. I don’t know if I like that as a college nickname but it works for HS because I had a streak of 6 straight game winners so they just started calling me that.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 8, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Austin Rivers has dubbed himself Sub-Zero.

And I figured if you’re going to be learning from Lamont “Momo” Jones then you probably can’t go by your birth name.

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 9, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea. I have always been one who just likes to go by my first name but I am going to think of a nickname eventually

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 9, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, a simple Jacob always worked for me.

As for a nickname, you should let someone else come up with it. It’s kind of lame if you have to name yourself (cough Black Mamba cough).

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by Omaha Sun on Jun 10, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea good luck too

what aau team r u on? and iona is a good school they got a rlly good coach too in kluse or however u spell it

by BigBlue91 on May 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I play for Hoop Heaven in a regular league and I have played for the NJ Playaz in the elite circut with top recruits

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 6, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

i played against kyle anderson and mike taylor too, there very good players, kyle anderson is rlly rlly good

by BigBlue91 on Jun 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

yea Kyle is incredible. He gets rebounds, turns, and finds the open man down the court every time

In the game I played against him he has 21pts, 14reb, and 7ast. And it looks so effortless when he is playing.

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by seton hall and steelers on Jun 17, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  


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