2011 All NFL Draft Team
by Mr MaLoR on Jun 12, 2011 3:18 PM EDT
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So everyone here, please create your own team of who you would like from this class. It has to be 22 players (11 offense, 11 defense) and you can set the offense and defense to any style you want (power running offense, passing offense, 3-4 defense, 4-3 defense, etc.) So here is mine.
QB: Jake Locker RDE: JJ Watt
RB: Mark Ingrim DT: Marcell Dareus
FB: Owen Marecic LDE: Muhammed Wilkerson
WR1: AJ Green ROLB: Von Miller
WR2: Torrey Smith ILB: Martez Wilson
TE: Luke Stocker ILB: Casey Matthews
LT: Anthony Castonzo LOLB: Aldon Smith
LG: Benjamin Ijalana CB1: Patrick Peterson
C: Mike Pouncey CB2: Jimmy Smith
RG: Clint Boling FS: Rahim Moore
RT: Tyron Smith SS: Robert Sands
So what would your team look like? Would a group of the best 2011 rookies compete for a SB in the future?
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I'm a Ravens/Terps fan too but Torrey over Julio?
I don’t know if I would do that. Julio is taller and faster than Torrey
I had to.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
West coast / Spread offense
QB: Locker
RB: Ingram / Kendal Hunter
FB: Charles Clay
WR: Green
WR: Greg Little
Slot WR: Torrey Smith
TE: Rudolph
LT: Carimi
LG: Orlando Franklin
C: Pouncy
RG: Watkins
RT: Tyron Smith
4-3 Zone Blitz Defense
RE: Kerrigan
UT: Dareus
NT: Phil Taylor —-Nickle Tackle: Cameron Jordan
LE: Watt
WLB: Von Miller
MLB: Akeem Ayers
SLB: Martez Wilson
CB: Patrick Peterson
CB: Jimmy Smith
slot CB: Devon House
FS: Marcus Gilcrist
SS: Jaiquwan Jarret
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Jun 12, 2011 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
couldn’t do the 22. There are too many different situations and role players in the league to narrow a starting roster down to 22 guys
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Jun 12, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
for nickel instead of adding Jordan you could slide Watt over to a tackle spot then
have Miller rush
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
H^2-Hali and Houston
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 13, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool Idea Malor.
QB- Ryan Mallet
RB- Ryan Williams
FB- Owen Marecic
WR1- AJ Green
WR2- Julio Jones
TE- Rudolph
LT- Castonzo
LG- Ijalana
C- Pouncey
RG- Boling
RT- Carimi
D 4-3
DE- Aldon Smith
DT- Dareus
DT- Fairley
DE-Robert Quinn
OLB- Miller
MLB- Wilson
OLB- Ayers
CB- Peterson
CB – Smith
FS- Moore
SS- Jarret
I love Watt as a prospect and I hated leaving him off, but feel I could create more pressure with this front.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Great post man, here's mine
I’m running the same offense the Packers run:
QB: Blaine Gabbert
RB: Mark Ingram
WR: AJ Green
WR: Julio Jones
Slot WR: Randall Cobb
TE/FB/H-Back: Lance Kendricks
LT Castonzo
RT Gabe Carimi
LG Mike Pouncey
RG Danny Watkins
C Steven Wisniewski
Defense: 3-4, like the Packers do it
DE: Nick Fairley
NT: Muhumaad Wilkerson
DE: Marcel Dareus
OLB: Von Miller
ILB: Martez Wilson
ILB: Bruce Carter
OLB: Robert Quinn
CB: Jimmy Smith
CB: Prince Amukara
S: Patrick Peterson
S: Rahim Moore
Super Bowl material right there, haha.
"World on my shoulders as I run back to this 8 Mile road."
-Marshall Mathers in "8 Mile"
tough to say if they would be a SB contender down the road,
I think that the young players need to be around vets to grow and improve, they are all rookies so can’t really learn anything from each other like they can learn from veteran teammates. I think in the first season the team would be something like 6-10 or 7-9.
"World on my shoulders as I run back to this 8 Mile road."
-Marshall Mathers in "8 Mile"
by BlackPack-fan on Jun 12, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yes some Bruce Carter love
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 12, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with everything except Jimmy Smith over Amukamara
you’ve got to be kidding me with that hot garbage.
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I like Prince over Jimmy, but they are both on my team,
Theya re the 2 corners and Patrick Peterson is a Safety. (See Above)
"World on my shoulders as I run back to this 8 Mile road."
-Marshall Mathers in "8 Mile"
by BlackPack-fan on Jun 12, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith is was possibly the best man coverage corner in the draft.
Its his off-the-field problems and attitude that made him slip. If you can get around those, I think you have a beast corner.
Smith was NEVER thought of as a top 10 pick
off field, off planet, off drugs off whatever. Not never thought of as a top 10 pick.
Prince was always a top 10 pick, so…as of right now, hot garbage to think of him over Prince.
Or…homerism, which isn’t something new for Malor
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 12, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Rorschach but you really could not be more wrong
Smith was always considered more talented but his off the field issues gave way to his draft stock dropping. Just on the field he dominated….Prince however never did at any point..he played ok..but never was a shutdown corner at the college level.
when is this "always"?
I follow the draft as much as anyone and I never heard about Smith as anything other than a mid 2nd round pick and that was welll before his offe field issues came to light. He was a tall guy who had good speed and was a solid athlete.
Sorry, the Jimmy Smith dominated crap, I think you’re mixing him up with Prince, who played at Nebraska and Smith played at Colorado in case that helps you out more.
Prince was for the past TWO seasons among the top 2 CBs in college football. Sorry if you missed this, but maybe pay more attention next year.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
How is that hot garbage? Prince got thrown at many more times than Smith did last year and they played in the same conference. You and I both know Jimmy Smith would have been drafted higher if not for a few dumb mistakes made during his freshman year.
Smith is the best cover corner in this draft not named Peterson.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
lol Smith isnt hot garbage
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 12, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say Smith was hot garbage
you did.
But I did say Smith is not better than Prince.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 12, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
how did I say it? you said hot garbage
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by Archie Barberio on Jun 14, 2011 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
you said Smith IS hot garbage
I said Smith over Amukamara is hot garbage
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I just wrote it above
but no, Smith would not go much higher without the off field stuff. Maybe a few picks, like the Eagles pick or so…but not much higher. He’s not better than Prince and I highly doubt anyone had him higher than that.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 12, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not better than Prince and I highly doubt anyone had him higher than that.
I am sure many people here will tell you otherwise, as well as multiple draft analysts across the country. But all good, you are a Giants fan and I am a Ravens fan, so of course we each think our guy is better.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
before the draft, I really didn't hear any of anyone saying that
hot freaking garbage. Now after the draft…all of a sudden Smith is just as good as Peterson coverage wise and Amukamara is 2nd….when did this happen?
Cuz none of it happened when he was on the field playing the football games.
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obviously you werent paying too much attention then
the entire draft mcshay among others preached about smith’s coverage capability and said he might be better than peterson if it werent for his off the field issues. look it up
who the hell pays attention to McShay?
please.
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It’s really not crazy to think Jimmy is better than prince. I have heard a number of people say Jimmy has better cover skills and is a lot more fluid than prince. Also as Malor pointed out they were in the same conference and teams attacked prince a lot more than they did Jimmy.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
they're not on the same team first of all so that they attacked one guy more than the other
is more of a knock on corner #2 in Colorado and a praise of the other corner in Nebraska.
And yes, its crazy to think that Smith is better than Prince. Only Ravens (and apparently Eagles fans….) think its an obvious choice.
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corner number 2 at colorado
got drafted in like the 5th round so he was pretty good as well. just correcting your obvious lack of info on the topic
Yea, Dennard at Nebraska is gonna get drafted in the top 2 rounds
so try again or just scroll over and don’t bother
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Don't argue with Ravens fans about their draft picks
It is pointless. In their minds Ozzie is some sort of sorcerer who can see into the future and know which players will be the best NFL stars. That is why Malor can confidently say that Smith is better than Prince and Peterson as well as saying Torrey Smith is better than Julio Jones and AJ Green.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jun 13, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That is why Malor can confidently say that Smith is better than Prince and Peterson as well as saying Torrey Smith is better than Julio Jones and AJ Green.
1. I never stated Smith was better than Peterson, so don’t put fucking words in my mouth.
2. I never said Torrey Smith was better than Julio and AJ Green, so don’t put fucking words in my mouth.
As you can see by this list, I did not necessarily choose the best freaking player at each position in this draft, I mixed it up a bit because I feel having good role players to go along with stars (IE Torrey complimenting Green who is the clear #1).
As far as Smith over Prince, it is a definitely argument that can be made. Just because Kiper and a few others had Prince going higher doesn’t mean you have to ride their dick as well.
The the best draft analysts in the business, Mike Mayock, says that Jimmy smith is a top 10 talent. I am not hearing that about Prince, and it showed that he dropped because of some slight flaw in his game. Smith fell because he got high and drunk at 18 years old.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I am not hearing that about Prince
…you weren’t listening then.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 13, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's "chippy"?
As you can see by this list, I did not necessarily choose the best freaking player at each position in this draft
So then it wouldn’t be an “All NFL Draft Team”, would it?
Just because Kiper and a few others had Prince going higher doesn’t mean you have to ride their dick as well.
What about the NFL teams that passed on Smith? Should I take the opinion of them and their scouts? Or should I take a Ravens fans opinion?
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jun 13, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ravens fans, we know everything.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Ozzie is some sort of sorcerer who can see into the future and know which players will be the best NFL stars
Couldn’t have said it any better myself.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
lol
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jun 13, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yea i have no idea what he is say lol
most draft scouting reports follow the same theme that Smith was the better player but more of a risk because of charater.
this draft reports didn't exist.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 15, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I may be inclined to agree with you
its debatable though and isn’t “hot garbage.” I could see his point as well although I agree with you
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by DBroncs1414 on Jun 12, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimmy Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince Amukamara
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
So why don’t you give me reasons why you think Prince is better than Smith like I have done for my side of the argument. Only comments I have seen from you so far defending your opinion was “hot garbage” and LOL. Give me clear cut football reasons please. K.Thnx.Bye.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
what else is there?
dude was widely regarded as the best cover corner in college football when they played the games. Smith wasn’t even heard of aside from Colorado fans.
Amukamara was on the map since last year when he was a raw RB who moved to CB. Best tackling CB in the draft, best cover corner in the draft. Peterson is the best overall CB cuz of his athleticism and size, but as far as coverage and technique, what Amukamara learned in basically 2 seasons is incredible.
His upside is immense and you know it. He was a top 10 pick, between him and Peterson was debatable for basically all of the season. Just cuz he turned out to have short arms all of a sudden there’s a debate on him.
But, there was no debate…ever, on Jimmy Smith being the top CB in the draft. Not until the draft was here, the offseason (RE: Not playing football games), did things get analyzed and overanalyzed and now all of a sudden Jimmy Smith is the best cover corner in the draft? Please.
You haven’t brought any clear cut football reasons either, whether you know it or not (and judging…you don’t realize it). Smith is only regarded as anything after tape was over analyzed. Seems like grade A bust material since he’s obviously only thought of as a great cover corner after the draft process occurred, not during the season.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 13, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smith can’t tackle for shit.
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"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jun 13, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQeLrLog-yQ
I would say this video proves otherwise. If you have any video proof that his tackling is shit, please provide it. Thanks.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Particularly at the 55 second mark, what a shitty 1 on 1 tackle to keep the RB who has forward momentum from getting in the endzone from 2 yards away.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
at the .55 second mare shows horrible tackling form
he’s not tackling NFL RBs that high unless he wants to get ran through like a cheap hooker
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Seriously? You watch that video and you think he is a good tackler? He tackles up high and gets pushed back every time. The play you are talking about at the 55 second mark is not good. He gets taken about 4 yards past initial contact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vY06HXzEb0
Just watch that. His technique is terrible. He always goes high. He is easily pushed away from the ball. Seems out of position a lot.
Back on the Sweed train. Choo Choo!
"It’s easy to lie with statistics, but it’s easier to lie without them." -Fred Mosteller
by John Stephens on Jun 13, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I still see him making the tackles on initial contact most of the time. Does he go high sometimes? Yes he does. But saying he is a “shitty tackler” is a bit ignorant. You guys make it seem like every RB and WR is trucking him over or breaking through arm tackles. I don’t see much of that at all in these videos.
Fabian Washington is an example of a shitty tackler. Jimmy Smith is a solid tackler who could use some work.
The play you are talking about at the 55 second mark is not good. He gets taken about 4 yards past initial contact.
Like I stated.
RB who has forward momentum
He made the stop though didn’t he?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
If calling him a shitty tackler is ignorant than so is “solid” tackler. At best, he is a below average tackler.
What does it matter if it was a RB with forward momentum? As a CB 7 out of 10 times you face a tackle where the player has forward momentum. Good tacklers, like a Bryant McFadden type, can make that tackle in open space and not give up ground. The RB would likely have gotten into the endzone with Smith on his back had help not arrived.
I said all of this way before he was a Raven too, so I am not being bias.
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by John Stephens on Jun 13, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
all I see in that video is horrible tackling form
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I will say Prince is the better tackler, but after watching film on both again I still see the better coverage in JImmy. Jimmy is more fluid in his hips and breaks on the ball quicker. Also Amukamura got burned to the inside quite a few teams leaving an open passing lane between the QB and WR. I’m not knocking Prince because I think he is a very solid CB, but based on film I just don’t see him better in man coverage than Jimmy.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Jimmy is positioned more to the inside than Amukamara
also in bump and run coverage more.
Its easier for a WR to get inside if the CB is playing 7 yards off of him, which Prince did a lot as Nebraska ran a lot of coverage schemes. And given his experience in said schemes, is also why he’s better since he’s played in more schemes.
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But he had no safety over the top on those plays which leads me to believe he was in man coverage. I watched and it clearly left a wide open passing lane for the QB to throw. He lunges on his bump coverage and the WR got inside because he clearly lunges and missed. He doesn’t control the WR at the line the way Jimmy can. He may have ran more coverages, but we were talking about man coverage ability. When you are very good in man coverage as a team you will run man coverage more often because it allows you to bring pressure. Prince is a very good all around CB, but I am just arguing that on tape Jimmy clearly looks better in man coverage.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
he did have safety help
the safety didn’t help, that’s the problem. I just think this is all selective memory after the fact.
No one was debating Jimmy Smith over Prince before the draft. Todd McShay opens his silly mouth and then all of a sudden questions arise.
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How would you know if the safety was supposed to help if you don’t even know which plays I am referring too? A large part is because of the school’s they play at. Amukamara is on a Nebraska D that has a lot more talent and naturally there will be more attention there. Also I have heard some analysts and read articles that did debate on whether Jimmy was better in man coverage pre-draft. They are not debating about the best overall CB, just in man coverage.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Also going back to letting the WR get inside it appears that happens do to him lunging at the WR at the line. prince may be stronger, but Jimmy has a much better placement of his hands when in bump and run coverage. He controls the WR at the line better and that is a huge advantage when you don’t allow a WR to get into his route.
On Ed Reed:
"I’ve told him to his face many times, ‘You’re the greatest safety ever to play the game,’"
"We all learn from each other, but we all learn most from him."
- Troy Polamalu
Again
there’s a difference between allowing a WR to go inside cuz you’re up close and allowing a WR to go inside cuz you’re playing off (which Prince did more often).
Its more of a scheme related thing. And given Prince only having a few years as a corner and obviously a great learner of the position, he’s got a ton of room to grow and is already as good as the top CB in this draft, Pat Peterson (just not as much of a freak).
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Wait? What’s funny? Amukamara is garbage, how many times do I have to prove it before you realize it? It’s okay, you’ll see it when DeSean and Maclin rape the Giants, again.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
you didn't prove a god damn thing and you know it
other then you’re impressive ability to misinterpret stats and invent stuff that seems true to your fellow Eagles fan cretins.
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Prince blows.
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"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Jun 13, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Your draft pick is on social security already
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#jokefail
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
yea *your
but you’re a dope.
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M’kay
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Jun 13, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine
Offense:
QB: Blaine Gabbert
RB: Mark Ingram
FB: Henry Hynoski
WR: A.J. Green
WR: Julio Jones
TE: Kyle Rudolph
LT: Anthony Castonzo
RT: Derek Sherrod
LG: Gabe Carimi
RG: Mike Pouncey
C: Stefen Wisniewski
Defense:
DE: Robert Quinn
DT: Marcell Dareus
DT: Phil Taylor
DE: J.J. Watt
OLB: Von Miller
MLB: Martez Wilson
OLB: Akeem Ayers
CB: Patrick Peterson
FS: Aaron Williams
SS: Jimmy Smith
CB: Prince Amukamara
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
I think that defense would dominate with the 4-3 scheme.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
by Mr MaLoR on Jun 13, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I know lol
Good pass rush, good linebackers, monster secondary.
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by rhettchrystal on Jun 13, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I would take Locker out at QB
and put Newton there for sure. He’s got so much more talent and as of now I like Newton better as a pocket passer. Debatable sure, just my preference.
Take Torrey Smith out of there please, way too homer. Give me Julio Jones any day of the week over him. I would even take Titus Young and Leonard Hankerson over Smith.
without character concerns, Jimmy Smith is a step below PP, so I like that pick.
I liked Sands in college, but I question how well he’ll play S as a pro. I like both Jarret and Carter as SS’s over Sands
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way too homer
And what’s wrong with that? I am a Torrey fan, seen him in every game and the guy has serious skills. The numbers don’t lie.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
As for Safety, this class was just so weak. I was actually about to put Peterson at Safety and have Prince and Jimmy Smith at the CB positions.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
yes it was kind of weak
but considering PP won’t play S in the pros and didn’t play it in college I think putting him there would be faulty logic.
As for the Smith pick, I thought this was going to be an objective All-Draft team. I’m not saying you didn’t watch every game of his but I just don’t see how he’s better then Julio.
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weren't very impressive to me last year.***
by RamblinWreck7 on Jun 13, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
you weren’t impressed with Jones catching 10 passes against Patrick Peterson? or the fact he had almost 200 yards against the Nat’l Champs? All this with Greg McElroy as a QB and Sabans ground and pound O with Ingram and Richardson? I was floored by how good he was.
AJ Green came off a 4 game suspension and ripped the Colorado secondary a new a-hole (who had 2 CB’s drafted this year). He didn’t have the numbers you’d expect but he had some shaky QB play at UGA. The thing that amazes me is that he can do everything, go deep, run short route, win jump balls, beat press, etc. That’s the type of kid you can see will be a top 10 player at his position barring something unusual.
I realize your entitled to your opinion, but c’mon they are both ridiculous and showed why last year
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Here's mine (Played with the positions a bit)
Offense:
QB: Ryan Mallett
RB: Mark Ingram
FB: Owen Marecic
WR: A.J. Green
WR: Julio Jones
TE: Kyle Rudolph
LT: Gabe Carimi
RT: Tyron Smith
LG: James Carpenter
RG: Mike Pouncey
C: Stefen Wisniewski
Defense (34):
DE: Marcel Dareus
DT: Phil Taylor
DE: Cam Jordan
OLB: Von Miller
MLB: Akeem Ayers
MLB: Bruce Carter
OLB: Aldon Smith
CB: Patrick Peterson
FS: Ras-I Dowling
SS: Jimmy Smith
CB: Prince Amukamara
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jun 13, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
There is absolutely no way on Earth that the Ravens would switch Jimmy Smith to SS.
He’s a man cover CB???? I don’t understand why people do things like this and try to outsmart themselves. One of the Ravens biggest needs is CB and why would you switch one of the best CB’s from this draft to SS????? Just stop now your hurting my head.
by RamblinWreck7 on Jun 13, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Pro tip:
Drafting for myself, not the Ravens
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jun 13, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
why does everyone have jimmy smith switching to safety and leaving prince at CB?
as far as i know, Smith is the better cover corner and prince is a better zone corner so wouldnt it make more sense to put the zone corner at safety? is that right or wrong?
Prince played more man than he did zone
tho he did both and both very well, which is why he’s the better player.
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I would say that Jimmy Smith only allowing ELEVEN receptions in man defense is one of the most incredible stats ever heard in a season of college or pro football. Being able to play press coverage in this league and do it as good as Smith makes him the better player to me.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Did he play press coverage in this league yet? No.
and if anything, playing one particular type of coverage hurts you since in the NFL not one single team employs one type of coverage on every single defensive play.
And eleven receptions based on what? Who compiled these numbers? Do they really mean anything? How many pass attempts, 12? Did the Colorado homer stat people overlook anything?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 13, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith was only thrown at 20 times while in press coverage last year. A CB’s job is to cover the WR to the point where a QB does not even want to throw his way. Wouldn’t you say Smith had incredible coverage on these guys if QB’s don’t even want to throw his way? They obviously didn’t think their #1 WR was open if he isn’t getting thrown at that much.
It is apples for oranges in this argument. You like Prince now that he is on your team, and I like Smith because he is on my team. We will see who turns out to be the better player, won’t we?
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
11 completions in 20 attempts?
that’s horrible.
And I liked Prince well before the Giants even had a remote shot at drafting him. I like Jimmy Smith too and thought about him being drafted by the Giants as well. But I never, not ever once ever thought Prince would last to the Giants pick. He was too good to last that far and 18 teams couldn’t be that dumb.
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I'd say that's pretty good.
that’s horrible.
Please explain how it is horrible to give up 11 completions in press coverage all year?
by RamblinWreck7 on Jun 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I would like to hear this as well.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
20 attempts is greater than 50%
by the math, that’s one out of every 2 attempts. I dunno about you, but every other time the guy gets thrown at and its complete is f’ing horrible.
Please explain to me how that’s not horrible?
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 13, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he was only thrown at 20 times! What don’t you get about that? Smith blanketed his man so much throughout the year in press coverage, that teams did not even throw at him. If he was thrown at 100 times and had 55 passes completed against him, that would cause concern.
This is not a stat where you look at percentages.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
by Mr MaLoR on Jun 13, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
11 completions in 20 times is NOT good
this is not a stat you look at percentages if you want to overlook a player getting beat 50% of the time.
College teams didn’t throw at him…how much that means anything, who really knows.
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by Rorschach44 on Jun 13, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well sir, you are the first person I have seen on here or anywhere on the internet think that this statistic is actually a bad thing. The FIRST person…
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
your arguments can be summed up like this
Rorschach44: Someone who gives up 50% of passes as a completion is a bad CB
Mr Malor: Someone who only gives up 11 receptions the entire year must be good because QBs were afraid to throw that way
Both conclusions can be fairly reached, no need to bicker lol
but I’d take Amukamara, I feel he is way underrated for his cover skills even as good as he is – any decent secondary coordinator can make him a slightly better cover (but still slower) corner than DRC
maybe cuz you've tried to argue with fools who don't like to do math?
when you do the politician or homer thing and only give me one piece of the puzzle, the 11 completions…its looks GREAT! One of the better CBs in the draft, obviously based on that.
But! You give me that those 11 completions are in a meager 20 attempts? LOL! is the reaction.
11 completions in 20 attempts is not good bub. I dunno who you’re arguing with, but maybe it shouldn’t be agreeable Ravens fans or janitorial Eagles fans.
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I hate to take Malor's side on this
But 50% comp rate would actually be good in the NFL. The only site I know of that keeps track of CB targets and completions allowed is profootballfocus.com (if you have another, please point me to it). The best Ct% last year was Revis at 38.6%. Drop out of the top 10 and the CBs are right at 50% Ct starting with Kyle Wilson. League average is about 60%.
I would point out to Malor that this is an incredibly small sample size and that Smith will be playing against a lot better talent next year. Teams will throw at him and we will see how good he is in coverage and tackling.
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by John Stephens on Jun 14, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Teams will throw at him and we will see how good he is in coverage and tackling.
Yes we will…
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
And you never gave your draft team.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
It’d probably be similar to yours, but some differences
Prince instead of Jimmy
Julio instead of Torrey
Pouncey at LG
Watkins instead of Boling
Wisinisfhsiski at C
Ayers instead of Matthews
I’d probably go with Gabbert too, but I’m terrible at projecting QBs.
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by John Stephens on Jun 14, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok genius since your so smart...
Why don’t you look at how many times that Jimmy Smith was in press coverage last year. Divide completions by that number and you’ll get your accurate percentage.
by RamblinWreck7 on Jun 14, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn’t really translate to pro football though. Even though Revis blankets people he still gets thrown at.
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by John Stephens on Jun 15, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
11 divided by 20 = 55%.
Maybe you should pay attention and you’ll become a genius too.
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But 50% comp rate would actually be good in the NFL. The only site I know of that keeps track of CB targets and completions allowed is profootballfocus.com (if you have another, please point me to it). The best Ct% last year was Revis at 38.6%. Drop out of the top 10 and the CBs are right at 50% Ct starting with Kyle Wilson. League average is about 60%.
I am glad you never manned up to respond to this great point John made above, and I know you saw it. I would love to see Prince’s percentage since you are so fascinated by it being relevant with such a small sample size.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
John mentioned the NFL %, that's why I ignored it
which is irrelevant to college football so I didn’t want to spare John that fact. Sorry Malor, his point doesn’t really apply here considering we’re talking about % in college football.
As for Prince’s numbers, they were 18 completions in 53 attempts total (out of 390 total pass attempts for opposing QBs). That’s 34%. Better than your boy.
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Good to see that teams thought their #1 WR was open more against Prince than they were Smith.
You look at the percentage of completions made against these two, I look at how many times teams even bothered throwing at these two.
You think Prince is better, I think Smith is better. We both can make cases for that, lets leave it at that and see how their careers turn out.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Or that the Nebraskas other CB was better
than Prince. The only way to really prove that would be to look at the numbers for Dennard as well as Brown. and the number of pass attempts of both teams.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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actually, you didn't give me the # of overall
attempts that teams threw against Colorado, so you didn’t give me anything to support this
Good to see that teams thought their #1 WR was open more against Prince than they were Smith.
ignorance.
Also, the Huskers had a better #2 corner in Alfonso Dennard than anyone on Colorado’s roster. It was really ‘pick your poison’ there.
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BS right here
Jimmy Smith barely covered AJ Green when they played UGA, so your argument that Smith was always on #1 WR’s is false
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I specifically remember one analyst bringing up this point and saying that it was Georgia’s goal to have Green matched up on the other CB’s and not Jimmy Smith. Wish I could find the link for that, I will try.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Point is he wasn't on #1 WR's all the time
I bet it was a part of UGA’s gameplan but you said
“Good to see that teams thought their #1 WR was open more against Prince than they were Smith.”
My point is clearly that’s not true, citing the UGA game
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I wouldn’t say it’s irrelevant to. Something like Kobe Bryant’s shooting percentage is irrelevant to college football.
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by John Stephens on Jun 15, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the point you were trying to make is that having around a 50-60 percent completions against against a CB is not necessarily a bad thing.
I mean, let’s just say Jimmy Smith is covering Andre Johnson and Johnson catches 3 short/medium passes on only 4 times he was thrown at, does that mean Smith had a shitty game because he allowed 75% of the passes his way to be caught? Hell no, it means Jimmy Smith was blanketing Johnson so much that Schaubb couldn’t even look at Johnson for a pass.
That is what I take away from that 11 for 20 stat. Jimmy Smith was only attacked 1.42 times in press coverage a game! And Jalil Brown across from him was no slouch either, so we can’t say his other CB’s were shit. And even if they were shit, I highly doubt QB’s would still only throw to their BEST receiver an average of 1.42 times in press coverage, regardless of what college CB is covering them.
It is simple to figure out for a QB that if your WR is open, you throw to him. If the CB is all over him, you don’t throw to him. That is the impact Smith had and the numbers prove it.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
NFL > NCAA
I didn’t know that was a tough concept to grasp.
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Why are you being condescending? Try some discourse.
I never said any of that, but saying it is “irrelevant” to the NFL is just wrong. They are playing the same sport, so skill does translate from college to the pros.
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by John Stephens on Jun 15, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember,
Just press coverage not every type of coverage.
by RamblinWreck7 on Jun 14, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, against Big 12 WR's that's sure impressive, especially when you consider their size
(Sarcasm). It was impressive, but not as impressive as you’re making it out to be.
He was good, but his season wasn’t all too good. He was nothing better than a 3rd team AA at best.
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jun 13, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I just put Smith @ Safety because he's more physical
Given, he’s not a very physical tackler, so maybe it wasn’t the best move. But he does ahve the size for it
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jun 13, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
McDaniels' Single read passing offense & 4-3 man cover
QB: Christian Ponder
RB: Ryan Williams
WR: AJ Green
WR: Julio Jones
WR: Austin Pettis
TE: Kyle Rudolf
LT: Anthony Costanzo
LG: Rodney Hudson
C: Stephen Wisniewski
RG: Mike Pouncey
RT: Gabe Carimi
RE: Cameron Jordan
DT: Marcel Dareus
DT: Muhammad Wilkerson
LE: Robert Quinn
LB: Akeem Ayers
LB: Colin McCarthy
LB: Martez Wilson
CB: Prince Amukamura
SS: Shiloh Keo
FS: Rahim Moore
CB: Patrick Peterson
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Please use the normal 4-3 defense when picking positions.
I mean come on you only have one DT labeled, or if you count Muhammad Wilkerson as a DT then you only have one DE.
I think he used a 3-4 D...
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what is the problem?
Watt and Wilkerson are prototypical 5 techs, and he’s got the 2 3-4 OLB’s in Miller and Smith. He’s got 2 more ILB’s and a 4 man secondary to round it off. What’s the problem?
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The problem is that the prototypical defense that the majority of teams in the entire world from little league to the NFL is the 4-3 defense.
So trying to fit 4-3 players into a 3-4 team just doesn’t work all that well.
by RamblinWreck7 on Jun 13, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well like I stated above, pick any system you like. I chose to use the one that the Ravens run. There is no problem with what I did at all.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
I know but you can't really project a natural 4-3 DE like Daquan Bowers into a team like this.
Unless you count him as an OLB. That’s about the only difference if you interchange one of those 3-4 DE’s as a 4-3 DT.
by RamblinWreck7 on Jun 14, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I didn’t choose Bowers for a reason, he doesn’t fit my 3-4 and there were better options than him for those positions.
"No disrespect to Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara, but I just think I have better cover skills. They get tested a lot, and that’s for a reason. The other team sees something in their game that they want to attack, and me playing in the same league as Prince, we played the same teams and they didn’t attack me the same. So why does that happen?" - CB Jimmy Smith
Yeah that's what I said,
He doesn’t fit your 3-4 unless you put him as the pass rusher at OLB even though he doesn’t fit there very well.
by RamblinWreck7 on Jun 14, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually a lot of HS teams and younger run 4-4's
no need for 2 Safetys when teams throw down the field once or twice a game.
The 3-4 is growing in college, a lot of the top prospects played in one. Plus, it is his team, and there’s clearly nothing wrong with that D considering both teams in the SB ran it.
And trying to fit college 4-3 players is what a lot 3-4 teams do. I fail to see why you are so against him doing it
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I probably wouldn't pick Jake Locker just because of how inaccurate he was in college.
And I’m not for sure if Ben Ijalana is going to be a RT or G.
My All Pro Rookie Team. NO HOMERISM AT ALL
Offense
QB: Andy Dalton
RB1: Mark Ingram
RB2: Ryan Williams
FB: Anthony Sherman
WR1: A.J. Green
WR2: Julio Jones
TE: Robert Housler
LT: Anthony Castanzo
LG: Markice Pouncey
C: Stephen Wisniewski
RG: Danny Watkins
RT: Tyron Smith
Defense
LE: JJ Watt
NT: Phil Taylor
RE: Marcell Dareus
LOLB: Von Miller
ILB1: Martez Wilson
ILB2: Quan Sturdivant
ROLB: Sam Acho
CB1: Patrick Peterson
FS: Patrick Peterson
SS: Patrick Peterson
CB2: Patrick Peterson
Hall of Fame Secondary!!!!
Is Markice the third brother?
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by John Stephens on Jun 13, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Offense: ZBS, Erhardt-Perkins offensive system
QB: Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri
RB: Shane Vareen RB Cal
FB: Owen Marecic FB Stanford
WR1: A.J. Green WR Georgia
WR2: Julio Jones WR Alabama
TE: Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin
LT: Tyron Smith OT USC
LG: Mike Pouncey LG Florida
C: Rodney Hudson C Florida St
RG: Danny Watkins OG Baylor
RT: Derek Sherrod OT Miss St.
LDE: Muhammad Wilkerson DE Temple
NT: Phil Taylor NT Baylor
RDE: Corey Liuget DE Illinois
LOLB: Brooks Reed OLB Arizona
SILB: Colin McCarthy ILB Miami
WILB: Martez Wilson ILB Illinois
SOLB: Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
CB1: Patrick Peterson CB LSU
CB2: Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
FS: Rahim Moore FS UCLA
SS: Quinton Carter SS Oklahoma
Chiefs Areas of Need: SOLB, NT, RT, WR, C, SILB,
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Doing this made me realize how weak the ILB class was this year for a 3-4 defense.
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by ChiefsfanJon on Jun 13, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
it will be unreal next year
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Power in the middle & speed everywhere else
QB – Cam Newton
RB – Mark Ingram
WR – A.J. Green
WR – Julio Jones
TE Luke Stocker
FB – Charles Clay
LT Anthony Castonzo
LG Mike Pouncey
C – Rodney Hudson
RG – Danny Watkins
RT – Gabe Carimi
LDE – Robert Quinn
DT – Marcel Dareus
DT – Nick Fairley
RDE – Ryan Kerrigan
OLB – Bruce Carter
ILB – Martez Wilson
OLB – Akeem Ayers
CB – Jimmy Smith
CB – Prince Amukamara
FS – Patrick Peterson
SS – Quinton Carter
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by Archie Barberio on Jun 14, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Rodney Hudson?
Really likin’ that pick. Was a big fan of him
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jun 14, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fun Idea; Tampa WCO/Copied 08 Steelers offense, T2 creative-blitz (Raheem Morris) defense
QB- Locker
2Downs RB- Daniel Thomas
3DRB- Jacquizz Rod
WR- A.J. Green
WR- Julio Jones
Slot WR- Leonard Hankerson
FB- Marecic
TE- Kendricks
LT- Costanzo
LG- Pouncey
C- Wisniecksi (or however you spell him)
RG- Cannon
RT- Carimi
LDE- Quinn
DT- Dareus
DT- Wilkerson
RDE- Bowers (without knee problems)
SLB- Miller
ILB- Foster
WLB- Carter
1st CB- Patrick Peterson
2nd CB- Jimmy Smith
Nickel CB- Ras I-Dowling
FS- Rahim Moore
SS- Prince AK
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Now Asians sayin they don’t keep no cash in they register
We run from red & blue lights to get that green
But whoever got that white is winnin like Charlie Sheen
QB-Blaine Gabbert
RB-Mark Ingram
WRX-Julio Jones
WRZ-Greg Little
WRY-Greg Salas
TE-Jordan Cameron
LT-Tyron Smith
LG-Mike Pouncey
OC-Stefen Wisniewski
RG-John Moffitt
RT-Gabe Carimi
LDE-Cameron Jordan
NT-Marcell Dareus
DT-Muhammad Wilkerson
RDE-J.J. Watt
OLB-Akeem Ayers
MLB-Martez Wilson
OLB-Von Miller
CB-Prince Amukamara
CB-Ras-I Dowling
FS-Jaiquawn Jarrett
SS-Robert Sands
Ras-I is a good pick. Although, no Peterson is weird.
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by John Stephens on Jun 15, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I can't do an entire team but I will pick OROTY and DROTY
For offense I will have to pick Jake Locker the Titans will win games and Jake will get a lot of credit. Even though I hate that argument people love it.
Defense I have to give it to Aldon Smith. Playing behind Justin Smith will make him that much better. With the offense focusing on Aldon or Justin the only thing that is possible is that one Smith will make it in the backfield.
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
I fully agree Aldon will win the DROTY...
but why won’t Kapernick?…
;p
If you reply to a comment/post/fanshot of mine, I will more likely then not respond to it, unless you come off like a d-bag.
I don't think Kaep will start this year.
If he did start day 1 then I would give him the OROTY. The media would love him saying how great he is by making the playoffs. I will be at home yelling at them saying how Kaep is ok but the team made it to the playoffs not Kaep.
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
And not Fairley?
I mean, Aldon’s good but he’s got some incredibly stiff competition with Fairley going to Detroit and Patrick Peterson playing in his division.
by Doc Scratch on Jun 26, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Cards won't be good enough for PP to be in the running
"Hi my name is Cliff Harris and I am here to lock [site decorum] down" - Cliff Harris introduction at his Freshman Orientation
Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
Cliff Harris: "That we lost"
If he plays like McCourty last year, he'll walk it in.
Fairley would have to play like Suh to beat him, and Von Miller would have to be LT.
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by insertscreenname on Jun 27, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
here's my 2nd team
“East-Coast Offense” – Power-run, play-action – Think Giants circa 2007
QB: Ryan Mallet
RB: Mikell Leshoure / Alex Green / Taiwan Jones
FB: Anthony Sherman
XWR: Julio Jones
YWR: Jon Baldwin
TE: Lance Kendricks
LT: Nate Solder
LG: Will Rackley
C: Stephen Wisniewski
RG: Marcus Cannon
RT: James Carpenter
2007 Jim Johnson Eagles’ Defense – Pressure, Zone Blitz 4-3 / 46, Soft-man coverage
RDE: Aldon Smith
RDT: Corey Luigit
LDT: Marvin Austin
LDE: Da’Quan Bowers
WLB: Mason Foster
MLB: Nate Irving
SLB: Sam Acho
RCB: Prince Amukamara
LCB: Ras-I Dowling
FS: Aaron Williams
SS: Rahim Moore
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Jun 15, 2011 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
Gulf Coast Offense
QB: Ryan Mallett
RB: Mark Ingram
FB: Owen Marecic
WR: Julio Jones
WR: Greg Little
WR: AJ Green
LT: Anthony Castonzo
LG: Mike Pouncey
C: Stephen Wisniewski
RG: John Moffit
RT: Tyron Smith
4-4-3
LDE: Cameron Jordan
DT: Marcell Dareus
NT: Phil Taylor
RDE: Ryan Kerrigan
OLB: Von Miller
ILB: Martez Wilson
ILB: Mason Foster
OLB: Bruce Carter
CB: Jimmy Smith
CB: Prince Amukamara
S: Patrick Peterson
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
That would be a sick D
Almost a 5-4-3 with Von Miller being a Rush LBer & Smith, Amukamara & Peterson locking down the secondary, strong up the middle & a lot of pressure on the QB from the ends. As long as your secondary can hold up (& with those three back there they should be fine) that would be deadly. Not as sold on the offense tho….
What's wrong with the offense?
Best QB(strictly in terms of talent, not looking at off-field issues) in the draft, the top 3 WR, the best RB and FB, plus an O-line with no weak spots.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
I am not a fan of Mallet
It takes more than talent to succeed in the NFL, I also think that even tho Smith played RT at USC that he is not a fit at the position in the NFL. I am no knocking your offense, I just didn’t like it as much as your defense
a 4-4-3 Defense in the NFL
would get destroyed week in/week out. If this was a rushing league, then it would be beast. But nowadays teams are looking to throw the ball.
Exactly. You think it’s hard to figure out who’s rushing in a 3-4? Now we’ve got 4 guys with their hands in the dirt and 4 guys roaming around in the box. Plus, with the 3 best DB’s in the draft covering my backfield, it’s going to be tough for a QB to find an open receiver fast enough to get it off.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
Here's Mine:
Offense-sort of a weird Coryell/Walsh Hybrid
QB- Jake Locker
RB-Demarco Murray
RB-Taiwan Jones
H-Back- Shaun Chapas
WR-AJ Green
WR-Julio Jones
LT-Anthony Constanzo
LG-James Carpenter
C-Stefen Wisniewski
RG-Gabe Carimi
RT Tyron Smith
Defense-Run a 5-0-6 Cover Two Man/Zone
RDE-Von Miller
RDT-JJ Watt
NT- Phil Taylor
LDT-Marcel Dareus
LDE-Adrian Clayborn
LCB’s- Ras-I Dowling, Prince Amukamara
Strong Safety-Aaron Williams
Free Safety-Brandon Harris
RCB’s- Jimmy Smith, Patrick Peterson
Now Prince and Patrick would both “line up” as LB’ers in this set up, however remember they are playing zone, so they are there to take away the middle of the field and help the other corners, who are in man coverage.
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 16, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
That team would be wrecked
Good wide receivers, without an accurate QB, mid-talent at RB, O-Line is good, Defense is good for zone cover, but run-defense is nothing.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
by rhettchrystal on Jun 17, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean?
I understand about the QB….But Murray was one of the best RB’s in the draft(and would be my “slot Reciever”)
Defense is good for zone cover, but run-defense is nothing.
Really don’t see what you are saying here though
Watt, Taylor, and Dareus are 3 of the better run stoppers in the draft, and Clayborn and Miller should be adequate, if really good within a couple of years
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 18, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
technically yes
However Prince and Peterson would Function as LB’s on running plays…..
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 22, 2011 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions
you
would be good at zone coverage, with all those d-backs, man would be ok, run-d if they break it past ur front 5, good luck.
"Don't go away Mad, Just go away."
by rhettchrystal on Jun 19, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
that is the thing though
would be good at zone coverage, with all those d-backs, man would be ok
the only time I would go man is if the Offense went 4+ wide on me..then Peterson and Prince would move outside with Dowling and Smith moving Inside….
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 22, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My Team
QB: Blaine Gabbert
RB: Mark Ingrim
RB: Mikell Leshoure
WR1: AJ Green
WR2: Randall Cobb
H-B: Shaun Chapas
LT: Anthony Castonzo
LG: Benjamin Ijalana
C: Stefen Wisniewski
RG: Marcus Cannon
RT: Tyron Smith
RDE: Ryan Kerrigan
DT: Marcell Dareus
DT: Nick Fairley
LDE: Da’Quan Bowers
ROLB: Von Miller
ILB: Martez Wilson
LOLB: Bruce Carter
CB: Patrick Peterson
CB: Prince Amukamura
SS: Aaron Williams
FS: Rahim Moore
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Real fans don’t need a reason.
Is it finally time to draft a QB?
...
QB- B. Gabbert
RB- M. Leshoure
WR- J. Jones
WR- AJ Green
WR- G. Little
TE- K. Rudolf
LT- A. Castonzo
LG- M. Pouncey
C- R. Hudson
RG- D. Watkins
RT- T. Smith
2-5 Defense
DT- Darius
DT- P. Taylor
OLB- R. Quinn
ILB- A. Ayers
ILB- M. Wilson
ILB- B. Carter
OLB- A. Smith
CB- P. Peterson
SS- A. Williams
FS- Prince
CB- J. Smith
by Royals Time on Jun 18, 2011 5:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
2017 Super Bowl Champs
QB – Cam Newton (Auburn)
RB – Mark Ingram (Alabama)
RB – Taiwan Jones (Eastern Washington)
H-Back – D.J. Williams (Arkansas)
WR1 – A.J. Green (Georgia)
WR2 – Julio Jones (Alabama)
RT – Tyron Smith (USC)
RG – Danny Watkins (Baylor)
C – Stefen Wisniewski (Penn State)
LG – Mike Pouncey (Florida)
LT – Anthony Castonzo (Boston College)
LDE – Robert Quinn (UNC)
DT – Marcell Dareus (Alabama)
DT – Nick Fairley (Auburn)
RDE – Aldon Smith (Missouri)
ROLB – Von Miller (Texas A&M)
ILB – Kelvin Sheppard (LSU)
LOLB – Akeem Ayers (UCLA)
CB – Patrick Peterson (LSU)
CB – Prince Amukamara (Nebraska)
SS – Jimmy Smith (Colorado)
FS – Rahim Moore (UCLA)
I doubt an assortment of rookies from this year could thrive because this class just wasn't all that strong
however, last year’s class could have been something special with all the amazing rookies that were a part of it.
I don’t know enough prospects to make a list thoigh. I joined so I could learn
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by statsare4losers on Jun 26, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
good site to visit
If you want some good info on potential draftee’s…http://www.nfldraftscout.com
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 29, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks man
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by statsare4losers on Jun 29, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
no problem
With the 9th Pick Dallas Selects Tyron Smith...Romo Weeps in Joy, and Bennet says"I might get to go out in the Pass Pattern now!"
by I am Ironman!!! on Jun 29, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Homerism at its finest Malor
Smith over Jones. and Jimmy Smith over Prince. Ravens still end up no.2 in the AFC North
"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
heres mine
titan fan,cam will get to play,but ayers will be droy in the running st olb.
also mcarty at mlb if rudd gets hurt will make a big impact.
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