2 round mock draft
by theMAGICman on Jan 12, 2012 3:45 PM EST
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1st Round
1) Colts - Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2) Redskins (via Rams) - Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3) Vikings - Matt Kalil OT Southern California
4) Browns - Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
5) Buccaneers - Morris Claiborne CB Louisiana State
6) Rams (via Redskins) - Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
7) Jaguars - Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
8) Panthers - David DeCastro OG Stanford
9) Dolphins - Luke Kuechly MLB Boston College
10) Bills - Courtney Upshaw LB Alabama
11) Bengals (via Raiders) - Trent Richardson RB Alabama
12) Seahawks - Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
13) Cardinals - Zach Brown LB North Carolina
14) Cowboys - Devon Still DT Penn State
15) Eagles - Riley Reiff OT Iowa
16) Jets - Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
17) Chiefs - Peter Konz C Wisconsin
18) Chargers - Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
19) Bears - Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
20) Titans - Nick Perry DE Southern California
21) Bengals - Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
22) Browns (via Falcons) - Cordy Glenn OT/G Georgia
23) Lions - Kelechi Osemele OG/OT Iowa State
24) Steelers - Dont'a Hightower LB Alabama
25) Broncos - Dwayne Allen TE Clemson
26) Giants - Dwight Jones WR North Carolina
27) Texans - Almeda Ta'amu DT Washington
28) Ravens - Vontaze Burfict LB Arizona State
29) Patriots (via Saints) - Mark Barron S Alabama
30) 49ers - Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
31) Patriots - Josh Chapman NT Alabama
32) Packers - Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
2nd Round
1) Colts - Mike Adams OT Ohio State
2) Rams - Kendall Wright WR Baylor
3) Vikings - Chase Minniefield CB Virginia
4) Browns - Andre Branch DE Clemson
5) Buccaneers - Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma
6) Rams ( via Redskins) - Stephen Gilmore CB South Carolina
7) Jaguars - Michael Brewster C Ohio State
8) Panthers - Nick Toon WR Wisconsin
9) Dolphins - Dontari Poe DT Memphis
10) Bills - Mohamed Sanu WR Rutgers
11) Chiefs - David Wilson RB Virginia Tech
12) Seahawks - Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
13) Eagles ( via Cardinals) - Kevin Reddick MLB North Carolina
14) Cowboys - Robert Lester FS Alabama
15) Eagles - Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State
16) Jets - Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State
17) Patriots (via Raiders) - Jared Crick DT Nebraska
18) Chargers - Marvin McNutt WR Iowa
19) Bears - TJ. McDonald FS Southern California
20) Titans - Ben Jones C Georgia
21) Bengals - Billy Winn DT Boise State
22) Falcons - Orson Charles TE Georgia
23) Lions - Vinny Curry DE Marshall
24) Steelers - Kawann Short DT Purdue
25) Broncos - Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
26) Giants - Coby Fleener TE Stanford
27) Texans - Markelle Martin FS Oklahoma State
28) Ravens - Levy Adcock OT Oklahoma State
29) Saints - Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
30) 49ers - Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
31) Patriots - Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
32) Packers - Arthur Brown LB Kansas State
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Somebody has been paying attention to some of us Giants fans clamoring for playmakers lol
And with Jones and Fleener, the Giants would have quite the offense, and it wouldn’t be ridiculous to say that Eli Manning could go well over 5,000 with this crew. We could grab O-Line later in the draft, and yes there are guys already on the roster we can coach up on the line, Flaherty is a great coach. For those who are worried about the linebackers……well, just don’t.
no way we take 2 more weapons. i can understand one.
but i deffinitley dont understand who in their right mind would take Jones, wright, or toon over sanu.
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Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 12, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why not?
A Saints or GB or Patirots type offense rarely loses. All their losses combined are still less than the Giants. We draft defense top 2 for the past 2 or 3 years and it’s only gotten us to be inconsistent. The offense with no high picks always manages to do their job. Imagine what it’ll look like if we devote a couple drafts to offense.
by The Cole Train on Jan 13, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Pit, Baltimore, San Fran etc.
D teams.
we have had a worst record than NO and NE because we have had a considerabley larger amount of injuries over the past 3 or 4 years, if we had guys like osi, tuck, TT, Austin, Prince, Goff, Kareem, etc. healthy. we could easily have a better record then them.
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 14, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
c'mon man...their big board is their big board. I know you like Sanu...not everybody does
and he is by no means a surefire prospect. Is he a good one? Yeah, but he has enough holes in his game to allow for differing opinions. I personally have Sanu behind Blackmon, Jeffrey, Floyd, and Jones. Toon and Wright are around the same for me as Sanu.
If its a big board issue, then I don’t think it needs to be criticized unless its not a scheme fit for the team, since other people have different values.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 13, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
i dont really see them as NFL ready.
sanu is NFL ready.
i guess u just had to watch him.
and i have watched him more than others.
but ive seen blackmon, jeffrey, and floyd play.
and i cant really see a case foe any of them being that much higher than sanu.
ive one game of toon and wright. and they werent in the legue of the other 4.
sanu looks like the 2nd best propect in this draft.
mix of wes welker and hakeem nicks.
and has the pottential to be one of the top WR’s immediatley when he hits the league
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 14, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Steelers
Burfict.
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I never really follow the Steelers, but I am a fan of a good defense
And I figured that the Steelers wouldn’t care between Hightower and Burfict, and might even prefer Hightower. The reason I hate him being mocked to the Giants is because his lack of athleticism, and that makes him an improbable first round pick for us, but that being said he does make up for it with great instincts and what not, and would fit much better in the Steelers D. With attitude problems and all that, why would you prefer Burfict to Hightower? Just interested.
With attitude problems and all that, why would you prefer Burfict to Hightower?
I know you didn’t direct this question towards me, but I’ll answer it anyways lol.
The reason that John (and a lot of Steelers fans) want Burfict is because while Hightower is sure to be a great player, Burfict (if coached right) can turn into the next Ray Lewis. All he needs is a veteran locker room and good, strong coaches, both of which the Steelers have. Plus, Burfict is quite a bit more athletic than Hightower and that’s what the Steelers love.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Makes sense
The Steelers are one of the best ran organizations in the league, but would Burfict benefit from having guys with questionable playing styles like James Harrison? (Personally I like how Harrison plays, but others think he is out to injure). Either way, I think the Steelers have a very good linebacker in either of these two guys, just the risk doesn’t seem to be as high with Hightower.
I think he would benefit from someone like Harrison. I mean, it’s not like Harrison would go around teaching Burfict how to hit receivers in the head lol. Besides, like you pointed out the Steelers still have Woodley, Timmons, Farrior, and Foote to keep him in line. And I agree about the risk part. Hightower seems like a smart pick, sure, but I think the potential in Burfict is too much to pass up.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Personally
I don’t want Burfict cause I don’t think anybody could keep him under control. For all who say we have a strong locker room that could keep in check I say what about Holmes. I don’t to trade or cut another 1st pick over character.
As for Kawann Short I guess we need need another DE. I’ll take it.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Holmes problems (if you call smoking weed a problem) were both off and on the field, while Burfict’s problems come from him being too aggressive and hard-headed. Both of those problems could be fixed by the Steelers.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
Personally, I think Burfict has potential to be great, whereas Hightower can probably only be good. And as I’ve said in other threads, with the league moving more pass heavy and super athletic, big TEs being used more in the passing game, I think it’d make more sense to get ILBs who have the athleticism to cover those guys. A combo of Timmons and Burfict would be able to get sideline to sideline very well.
And for the attitude thing, I agree with Riddlah.
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by John Stephens on Jan 13, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
the steelers and the ravens are two of the teams that I see
that would be the only ones able to put his stupid ass in line… but I’m wondering if that’s a pick you’re willing to go for in first two rounds. his stock has dropped magnificently since the beginning of the season
I’d be shocked if Burfict falls out of the first two rounds.
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by John Stephens on Jan 13, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
I think Burfict will slide, slide and then slide some more...
The dude’s brainless.
Truth shall be known.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 13, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Seahawks:
WR is not a need, the current regime has invested free agent dollars in Mike Williams and Sidney Rice, brought in young players and UDFA in Tate, Kris Durham, Doug Baldwin and Ricardo Lockette. They are also high on Deon Butler and Ben Obomanu, holdovers from the previous regime. In your mock you have Brown, Still and Coples all being taken after the Hawks pick at 12. They would all fit much more pressing needs for the Seahawks in terms of pass rush and LB. Also at 11 you have the Bengals drafting at 11 via the Raiders but the Chiefs would be the holders of that pick pending the outcome of a coin flip with Seattle.
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yea
Brewster is simply put not enough of a need to warrant reaching in a nned-based draft, and is certaily not BAP. To be very honest, I am slowly becoming more and more a fan of Vinny Curry and would LOVE to see him be the pick in the second round.
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Bucs
Good draft. I have a question about Lewis. Can he shed blocks consistently? If so, then yes but if not. No way cos we already have his clones
If you aint youngry, get the Buc outta here cos i am a Freeman.
Agreed
There are still some questions about Lewis, but if he has a solid combine and interview, this is a great draft for us.
With the 5th pick of the 2012 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select....
by RookTakesYou on Jan 16, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Another great draft for the Vikes
I just hope Minnifield’s knee checks out.
"At this point, what we got to lose, right? So we might as well throw caution to the wind and hit people in the face."
--Vikings DE Jared Allen
My first guess is that the Broncos go D but...
I completely buy Dwayne Allen as BPA in your scenario.
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Agree: I'm not sure they'd go TE in the first.
They’ve already got some investments there. The Broncos’ lack of production from that position is more likely a function of scheme rather than personnel.
That said, if Aaron Hernandez goes off on them tomorrow night like he did in Week 15, maybe Fox & Co will change their tune. It’s a copycat league.
I think if they go offense, it’ll be a running back.
Lots of Bronco fans are clamoring for a new MLB. I’d say their top needs are: MLB, CB, RB and DT (in no particular order).
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, you are correct about our needs.
And, yes, the Patriots really beat us with their TEs last time and may well do so again tomorrow. Plus, as I understand it, a really good TE is a blessing for a developing quarterback. TE is a position where we could use an upgrade as Fells and Rosario are decent journeymen and Thomas and Green are mid-round projects, none of whom brings back memories of Shannon Sharpe.
Again, it’s all a BPA thing. If all that’s left is the 4th or 5th best needs guy, I would totally take a top playmaker at another position of moderate need. Hopefully a lot of other teams reach for 2nd or 3rd round QBs and some top defensive talent falls to us but if it doesn’t, as in this mock, I’d take Allen without a worry.
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I'm cutting Thomas a little slack until I see him next year.
He’s a guy I can see improving a lot in the offseason. The big area he has to improve upon is blocking. In this offense, the TE needs to block. I personally rather pursue jermichael finley then draft another TE. He would add a lot to the offense.
I do agree with the BPA, it’s hard to know who they’ll pick because of that. I like that their doing that because I don’t understand reaching in the first round. However, it doesn’t help the mock drafters lol.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 13, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well, we're fortunate that we're a team with a lot of needs but no enormous holes...
Plenty of ways EFX can go to improve the team on either side of the ball. And this is a pretty deep draft (unless you need a quarterback.)
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Giants draft looks good
be interesting to see if they’d pass on Mercilus, Barron or Dennard, but Jones probably is that good. Fleener in the 2nd is a solid pick too.
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Those were the three guys I was going to say would also work.
I’m not sure if I’d want Fleener in the 2nd…I happen to agree with ct17 on his Travis Beckum-esque skillset.
Markelle Martin would be a fine choice there.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 12, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Fleener isn't even close to what Beckum was
Beckum was a WR that somehow got labeled as a TE in college. That’s probably what’s taking him so long to learn “TE routes”. That and injuries.
Fleener is a TE and does TE stuff. He’s also 6"6 250. I don’t think they even remotely compare. Fleener probably compares better with Kevin Boss.
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I haven't seen or paid attention to Fleener blocking
so I guess wouldn’t know. I’ve just seen him run routes and be pretty efficient at it. If he is 250…he looks like a skinny 250. I’ll take your word for it, though on the TE stuff…I’m just not that high on him.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 12, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Jayron Hosely or Markelle Martin
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 12, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
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Maybe that was too much sharing.
Analyzing every position on the team, the one that we have nobody for is slot CB. Maybe Webster could do it. But no one else has the quick feet needed. Ross and Prince are outside, straight-line guys. Thomas is a ? Hosley can do it.
I’ve pretty much been the only person all year with a 1st round grade on Martin. He covers more ground than any other safety in the draft, and he understands his role as deep safety. Does not let people by him.
The Giants do not throw the ball to TEs. TEs are blockers. Coughlin has been very clear on that fact. So you better have a new coaching staff before you grab Fleener.
cmon now
they throw to the TE. They’d throw a lot more to the TE if he didn’t have the footspeed of a brontosaurus. Also its not so much about throwing to the TE as it is keeping the defense honest with a good athlete at the TE spot. Eli could have Jimmy Graham as his TE, but if he’s being doubled that means Eli will pick you apart elsewhere, and then he can make Victor Cruzes into Victor Cruz.
They used to throw a ton to Shockey and he was the last TE we had that was a good athlete.
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Fassel used Shockey more
I wonder if Ballard getting all those throws is more Eli than TC/KG. They might be listing TE as the 4th option, and Eli just uses his own progressions.
Doesn't matter how the ball is getting to the TE
But it is, so having a play making TE instead of Ballard would be huge. Note: Nothing against Ballard, and if he was our 2nd TE, it’d be awesome, but he just isn’t athletic enough to be a premiere TE in this league.
last year when
giants drafted prince, TT was happy because he thought that might allow him to go back to slot corner…with that being said i do agree we should grab another corner because its always nice to have talent there in case of injuries
by bistroburrito on Jan 14, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
disagree.
2 more guys for eli?
passing on sanu?
no way that happens
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 12, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Jones is better then Sanu too
its like comparing Dream with Britt. Britt couldn’t shine Dream’s asscheeks.
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Hak is great. and better than britt.
britt is still a really good WR.
but in this case. sanu is hakeem “the dream” or optonicks prime and jones is the other guy.
Sanu is probably the most versitile player in the draft
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
like I'm gonna believe a Rutgers homer.
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i dont see why not.
jones is nothing compared to sanu.
i’ve been right b4 and ill be right again
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 14, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
What makes Sanu a better prospect than Jones?
I know you like to tout Sanu as NFL ready, but what exactly does that mean?
So far it does mean nothing
Personally I don’t see how you can determine “NFL Readiness”. If you want to say that, you could argue that Derrick Morgan (the DE outta GT) was a more “NFL Ready” player, but JPP is the better player right now. If the Giants had picked the more “NFL Ready” player in the 2010 draft, we’d have gotten the crap end of the stick.
Dline is irrelevent to the term NFL ready tho.
imo it apllies to
QB’s
WR’s
LBs
and interior Olineman.
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
wrong
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
it means his skill set is more like an NFL WR.
it means the same exact thing when ur talking about a QB.
he has superb route runnning skills. something that many of these guys u think are ahead of him dont equal.
probably the best hands in the draft.
amazing awarness on the sport.
he’s not afraid to go up and get the ball in traffic
those are skills u need to be an NFL ready WR.
his got above average speed
and is very versitile and agile.
those are the skills that most people who have just casual knowledge look at, so i dont really know how u have those other guys ahead of him.
it makes no sense to me
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Problem is, people start copying each other. No mock is even close to being right until the end of february. Thats why I’m not even gonna try till then.
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that is a good plan.
u cant truley mock until after FA
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman and buck. they suck
Desean Jackson IS a punk....................UNLEASH Eli
Jason Peire Paul (JPP) 2011-2012 NFL Defensive player of the year
"We’re going to turn this team around 360 degrees." –Jason Kidd
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it" -Yogi Berra
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 15, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Brockers just declared and is a top 15 talent.
I can see him going to carolina
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Jan 12, 2012 6:08 PM EST reply actions
Broncos Selecting a TE Seriously?
They drafted Julius Thomas and Virgil Green last year, also have Daniel Fells and Dante Rosario. Denver stays D heavy in the early rounds, only offensive position i see them taking is RB with the earliest possibly 2nd rd, more likely 3rd or later.
I don't see TE here either.
But I like Dwayne Allen and wouldn’t mind seeing him in orange and blue.
I disagree with your read on our RB situation: I think it’s pressing and believe they’ll draft one during the first two rounds.
Question for you, in Hake’s mock, you said:
I don’t think drafting a QB is out of the question but no sooner than the 5th rd at the earliest, although i do like Brock’s ability to run the same kind of offense as Tebow.
I was under the impression that Brock was fairly immobile – tall and slow. More in the Matt Cassel mold. Am I mistaken?
Truth shall be known.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 13, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Osweiler can move
He’s not running an option game anytime soon, but he’s mobile. Best physical comparison for him is Joe Flacco.
Thanks for the input.
Truth shall be known.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm from Montana and live in AZ, so Brock is a good guy in my book just because of that.
He’s not a speed deamon, but he has the ability to get around the edge if needed. He’s 6’8" around 240, runs the 40 around 4.72 sec. Tebow’s what 6’3" around 240, runs the 40 around 4.65 sec. Brock is tall and lengthy so couldn’t stand up to the beating that Tebow could, but he’s ran a decent spread offense at ASU the last couple of years. Brock would be a project though, just like Adam Weber, and we do not need another project QB.
by diehardbronco2 on Jan 14, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the closure.
Truth shall be known.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Osweiler and Weber are on different planes of talent
Technically, every college player is a project. Osweiler is less of a project than Flacco, who I compared him to.
Why would the Saints draft a receiver with our fiest pick?
OLB. OLB. OLB. That’s what we need.
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Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
This confuses me too.
There’s only 11 available spots on the field and six are taken up by the line and Brees.
It’s an odd selection.
Truth shall be known.
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 13, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Colts
The Colts don’t need another tackle, since Costanzo will start at LT while Ijalana will start at RT. Plus, Mike Adams is drawing comparisons to Tony Ugoh in a bad way.
With Chase Minnifield there and the Colts gaping hole at CB, there is no way they pass on him.
yep, if Minniefield is there I think he'd be the pick, unless maybe they like Gilmore or one of the available WRs a ton
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by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I’m on the fence on Gilmore. I feel like too often he goes for the big play rather than the sure thing. Honestly, I like the two Hyde and Prater from Iowa and Donnie Fletcher from BC much more.
don't like Prater
and Hyde isn’t coming out.
Prater really feel off without good safety play behind him. Caught looking in the backfield a ton and missed too many tackles.
Choke/Clutch is the fetishization of the small sample size.
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by shake n bake on Jan 19, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
no. the giants dont pass on sanu for jones. rediculious. sanu taken 6th wr?
how do u see that happening? an injury in the offseason???
Washington Redskins trade 1st, 2nd round, and 2013 2nd round to Rams for 1st round pick
and no. the rams need much more for RG3. again. look at the falcons browns trade last year. the browns got much more than that. idc if their only moving back 5 spots. their not gettong enough return for a franchise QB.
and their is no way the giants give eli 2 more weapons with the top 2 picks after this season. one maybe.
and again, sanu over dwight jones, and almost all the recievers u put over him
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 12, 2012 9:05 PM EST reply actions
A much better comparison than the Falcons Brown's trade
Is another Falcon trade. In 2001 the Falcons moved from 5th to 1st(a much more comparable move) to take a franchise QB(Vick). The Falcons gave up their first(the 5th overall), their 3rd that year(67th overall) , a 2nd the following year plus Tim Dwight(a decent wr). That equates to probably two 3’s and a 2, or two 2’s and a 3(however you value Dwight, he did have). Either way his value is pretty close maybe a little low, but only like an extra 2 or a 3.
this isnt the same league as 01.
and qbs are much more valuable than they were then.
vick didnt have as high pottentail as RG3 and Luck have, he was basically a HB at the QB position.
luck and RG3 are throwers.
everything NOW is based off the trade that happened recentley.
or i could bring up trades like the hershal walker, or emmit smith one.
im using recent history. i think thats a fair way to judge how the values have changed, no?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 14, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Well that just goes to show you how good the Browns current front office is. Yes we fleeced the Falcons last year, but every other team saw that. No ones gonna fall for the “Banana in the tail pipe” trick, two years in a row. Realistically, moving up four spots will not cost more than what has been stated. I have been playing around with trying to get multi year 2nd’s & 3rd’s (3 seasons worth) and it still doesn’t make sense.
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yea. in last years draft. moving up 4 spots would have prob. cost that much.
this year. with the hype around luck and RG3, and those 2 being the only real starting QB options in teh draft.
the price goes up
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 15, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
True the league isn't the same
But QB’s were still as highly regarded than as they are now. Vick was pretty much unanimously viewed as the the top qb in that class with crazy high potential. I guess you don’t remember that far back there was less overall media hype but still plenty of Vick hype. The Walker trade will never happen again so that is pointless and the Smith trade is a reasonable one to bring up, is had similar value to what moving up 4 spots today would have. Another similar more recent trade is NYG moving up 4 to #1 to grab Eli. They gave up two 1’s a 3 and a 5. The #1 overall is more value-able so a little less than that is about right so a 1 two 2’s and a 3 is about right, maybe another low rounder tossed in their. Griffin is good and has hype but he is not a better prospect than Eli was.
Also the Browns didn't really fleece the Falcs
It was a pretty even trade for what it costs to move up that high. If it was such a robbery why wouldn’t Cinci or Denver bight when offered similar deals? Moving up 20 spots in the first is a long way to go.
becaue the bengals needed a new franchise wr
and the broncos needed a new Leader of the D to pair with dumerville
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes the Bengals/Broncos needed those things
But so did the Browns. If this trade was such highway robbery, like many suggest, than they would have gladly traded. Fact of the matter is it was an even trade to move 20 spots.
no. the browns didnt need a questionable julio jones.
not like the broncos or bengals needed those 2 players
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 17, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
One could argue that
They needed Jones more so. Their receiving core is desperate, and lead the league in drops by about 10 drops(a lot). Jones was hardily questionable, he would be the #1 receiver in most classes(including this up coming one). The Bengals were coming off a miserable season, and had many holes that extra picks could fill, however the value of that trade wasn’t equal to what they valued the #4 pick, hence it couldn’t have been that high an overpay like people make it out to be. It’s what it costs to move from 26-6.
it wasnt an overpay.
the browns did not want a top prospect, they wanted more picks to build their team.
the broncos and bengals wanted top prospects.
and that was a trade for a WR.
a QB garners atleast twice as much
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 18, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Eli's hype was no where near Lucks.
i dont remember eli being the unanimous #1. or atleast as highly regarded as luck. or even RG3
a move up to take a franchise QB in a league that saw 3 passers hit 5000 yards and one just 70 or so away. QB is a whole new term from even when eli was drafted
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 17, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
if you don't remember it, I'll remind you
Eli was the unanimous #1 overall pick that year. Rivers or Ben were never even a thought to be drafted ahead of him.
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my point being.
he isnt as unanimous as luck.
he wasnt the next “Montanna”.
he wasnt a lock for the HOF.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Luck is not the next Montana, nor is he a lock for the HOF
however, Eli Manning was the unanimous #1 overall pick.
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by Rorschach44 on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
people are saying things like that about luck.
they didnt about eli
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 20, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Eli's was a unanimous #1 overall
your getting caught in up in the here and now. Sure the hype around luck is greater because there is more media than ever, there is just more sources. QB has long been considered the most important position in sports this is nothing new to this year, trust me Eli was quite the prospect back than. As good as Griffin is he is not a better prospect than Eli was, Luck maybe, but we aren’t talking about trading up to #1 to get the #1 player(which eli was), we are talking about moving up to the #2 spot which is less valuable hence why a little less than the Eli trade is appropriate value.
yes. but
the chargers didnt Need Eli, and the giants Didnt need Eli as the redskins so badly need a QB.
if im not mistaken, the chargers had drew brees that year. and the giants had a slouch version of what we now call kurt warner.
neither of those teams in any way need a QB quite like some of the teams these days do.
and the price for the QB has suraly risen this year
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
The value of a QB
has always been high, there is a reason 8 of the last 10 #1 overall picks have been QB’s. Maybe the pick get’s bid up, but I don’t see a team going overboard, the most I could see is about equal to the Eli trade(two 1’s, a 3 and a 5) I would expect it to be more like a 1 two 2’s and a 3.
i dont think any GM would take less than 2 1's and 2 2's or 1 2 and a couple threes
not with how cheap RG3 will be
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 18, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
the Chargers didn't need Eli?
you know they took Rivers right? A QB? The Chargers wanted to draft Eli Manning. He didn’t want to go there.
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by Rorschach44 on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
yes. which was another reason why eli was cheaper.
but he wasnt as big of a needto either team as RG3 will be to the 2 teams involved with a trade.
RG3 isnt gonna hold out from a team, he will garner more picks than my guy Eli
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 20, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Eagles pick
is a fail, our o-line was much better this year and is set, we shouldn’t have to go o-line until the 4th round at least.
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actually agree.
tho watkins is imo going to be a total fail (u cant really judge it yet)
the eagles dont draft BPA, and oline isnt a need.
they go with a flashy player, or a LB
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 12, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Why is Watkins a fail?
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well techniacally. he cant be yet.
but as soon as u drafted him. i predicted him to fail.
i think he is too old, and imo wasnt worth a first rounder, no matter his age.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 13, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Watkins struggled early but was very solid late in the year. And At the end did you mean this year or in general because Andy hasnt drafted a LB first in a long time if ever.
by Mr.electric10 on Jan 12, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
i still dont think watkins will be worth where he was drafted.
and at the end, i meant this year.
but i guess u can take the flashy player part as usually.
but like us u guys dont really take LBs early l
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 13, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeh
WIth you 100% and i dont really want a DL in the first 2 rounds either. I want a WR and 2 LBs maybe a Safety if Barron falls.
by Mr.electric10 on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
This
But, only the first round pick simply because I dont believe we let Michael Floyd past us, even if we have resigned/Franchised Jackson. Can’t be upset having Worthy there in the 2nd or netting Reddick though so this scenario wouldn’t be a total failure.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
with joy that theyblew another first rounder?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on Jan 16, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
No way the cardinals would pass on any of the top 3 Left tackles if they fall to them
by CardsDefense on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeh Agree
I think Eagles and Cards should trade players.
by Mr.electric10 on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Another dude that forgets Melvin Ingram for 2 full rounds
Let me be the scouting director AND the GM
Yeah I don't get it either.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
And Lamar Miller too.
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by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Jan 13, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Chiefs pick
should be 11 not 17
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by IamtheGreatest on Jan 13, 2012 12:16 AM EST reply actions
As a Cowboys fan, I can tell that I am going to get really tired of Devon Still being mocked to us.
I just don’t see him being a great 3-4 DE. The guy is certainly great against the run, but you have to be a truly special player to be a pass rusher at 3-4 DE (which is what we need). I don’t think Still has the athleticism to be that guy. I would much rather have Ingram who can replace Spencer and play all over the line in the nickel.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Oh, and Robert Lester is returning to school, so if you want to give us a safety, I guess I could live with taking Martin there.
Also, there is no way Stephen Hill deserves to be a second round pick. The guy struggles with catching the ball and isn’t half the player Demaryius Thomas was coming out of GT.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I'm tired of seeing Dennard mocked to the Cowboys as well
He’s overrated.
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by SportsDrunk on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
2 offensive players for carolina
very interesting… I like them a lot though – at the rate playoff teams are going, it looks like having a high powered offense is way more important than defense lol
Bucs
A++ for Claiborne. As for Lewis, I like him, but he’s looked slow coming off an injury. I think that’s too early for him even though LB is a huge need. I’d probably double dip at corner here and take Gilmore.
The 49ers 1st round pick last year
Was a guy who came in and playing in part time only was 1 sack from breaking Javon Kearse’s rookie sack record and will be starting next year — and he had 2 sacks called back because of penalties in the secondary.
And this upcoming year they go back to back outside linebacker? Ehhh, no.
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Texans don't need a FS
They just signed Manning last season, they would be more in search of an elite WR
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this mock would cause celebration to expolode and champagne would spew from the skies. We are desperate for a franchise QB, trading up to secure one of the two is worth every penny. (My personal preference is Luck, who I believe is assured greatness, but I would be thrilled with RG3.)
Jags
1st round is ok but a Center in the 2nd round? I can’t see that, especially with Sanu, Mcnutt, and Toon all still on the board.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 15, 2012 6:02 PM EST reply actions
Texans will take a WR in the 1st round
and FS is not a priority
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Chargers aren't going DL in the first, we're set with a good depth rotation
What the Bolts really need is a pass rusher; on your board, the most likely choice is Nick Perry, but they could consider Glenn, Osmele, or Barron too good to pass up and grab Curry in the second.
McNutt might be a good fit but there’s no way they draft a receiver that high, particularly if they re-sign or franchise Vincent Jackson.
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Bengals
Does Jenkins keep getting mocked to us because he has a history of arrests? I think this franchise has learned to pass on guys with serious red flags. They would have drafted Mallet last year if that were not the case. I wouldn’t be surprised if they passed on Jenkins and opted for a guy like Gilmore instead with the 21st pick.
by Animal_Like_Football on Jan 16, 2012 9:47 PM EST reply actions
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